Post by: nw_bowhunter on March 05, 2014, 07:23:19 PM
I have done lots of research and shot Mathews, Martin and Bowtech. (all out of states shops) Pretty firm on getting a Mathews!
Post by: Rainier10 on March 05, 2014, 07:52:51 PM
Post by: northwesthunter84 on March 05, 2014, 08:10:47 PM
Post by: jackelope on March 05, 2014, 08:14:54 PM
Post by: bullfisher on March 05, 2014, 08:31:35 PM
Outdoor emporium/sportco sells them but their service and knowledge is crap, and last I heard refuse warranty service. Both bowtech and mathews are lacking in the dealer department in my book. Obviously they've never been to some of their dealers in our area or they would choose better shops like evergreen. :twocents:
Post by: X-Force on March 05, 2014, 09:18:45 PM
Post by: nw_bowhunter on March 05, 2014, 10:57:11 PM
Post by: NW-GSP on March 05, 2014, 11:33:36 PM
Ive been dealing with Riverside Archery in Mt Vernon since Gary bought the place. good people.
I second that
Post by: sakoshooter on March 06, 2014, 03:14:38 AM
Evergreen Archery. HuntWa site sponsors.If you're talking about Evergreen Archery in Graham, they don't sell Mathews. At least not according to their website.
Post by: EvergreenArchery on March 06, 2014, 03:26:25 AM
Post by: RadSav on March 06, 2014, 05:54:03 AM
I believe one of our own members runs an archery shop but do not recall their forum name? (RedSav?) I'm not even sure they sell Mathews but wanted to find out.
If you meant me I do not have a retail store. We are strictly wholesale manufacturing of small parts.
Being as you are in Seattle I would agree with those who mentioned Riverside. They would be reasonably close to you. And like others have said, Gary is good people. Very knowledgeable as well!
Do you know what Mathews you are wanting to get? If you wouldn't mind I'd like to hear what it is you like about it.
Post by: D-Rock425 on March 06, 2014, 06:13:09 AM
Post by: bullcanyon on March 06, 2014, 06:18:33 AM
Post by: TheFewTheProud on March 06, 2014, 06:19:28 AM
Post by: D-Rock425 on March 06, 2014, 06:50:46 AM
Post by: wildmanoutdoors on March 06, 2014, 06:59:52 AM
Any shop selling pounds of powder for 39.99, bricks of primers for 49.99 and fed bricks of 22 Lr for 150.00 needs a good boycott!!!!
His prices have always been higher but I supported him being local. NOT NO MORE! He price gouged this local right out of there.
You can get the same powder and primers in Gorst at Boerners for normal prices. Way better deals on guns too!
I know were talking Bows, and there expensive there too!
Post by: mrolen on March 06, 2014, 09:05:50 AM
Post by: Forks on March 06, 2014, 09:22:39 AM
Craig probably has the best prices, but lucky shot will most likely be a better experience.Could not have been said better. Customer service is worth a little more.
Post by: bowhunterty on March 06, 2014, 09:41:06 AM
Post by: nw_bowhunter on March 06, 2014, 06:49:33 PM
Also, looking at QAD Ultra Rest, Spot Hogg Seven Pin, Tight Spot Quiver. Undecided about arrows as I want to get a heavier arrow. Also, doing some more research on the and considering Spot Hogg Godfather. I don't like the price to much!
Post by: Greg Mullins on March 06, 2014, 08:00:36 PM
Post by: RadSav on March 06, 2014, 08:18:14 PM
Looking at the Heli, Creed, and Maybe Chill. Although the Chill I'm a little concerned that the speed will compromise accuracy.
In the ChillR maybe a small amount, but in the original Chill accuracy should be easier to maintain than most. It's a very easy bow to shoot. And that cam system is extremely nice! Same speed you would see in the Heli and a much easier bow to shoot. Creed does feel good in the hand when you shoot it. Not surprised that's why you like it! For the same money I'd take the speed and the sweet grip of the Chill. Just my :twocents: You should be happy either way.
Post by: NWWABOWHNTR on March 06, 2014, 08:22:49 PM
Post by: Special T on March 06, 2014, 08:28:13 PM
Post by: bullcanyon on March 06, 2014, 08:44:32 PM
Post by: Jellymon on March 06, 2014, 09:10:12 PM
Just curious. Have you shot any of the hoyts or pse bows? The Mathews I've tried in the last few years didn't feel as crisp as the hoyts or pse bows I've tried. Also what has you wanting to give up speed to go to a single cam?
Give up speed? The helim is just as fast as the factor 32 with 1/4" longer brace height. Both meet thier speed rating with measured draw llengths and poundage as well. There is more to a bow than speed. I havent owned a single for a while but there is nothing wrong with them. :tup:
Post by: RadSav on March 06, 2014, 09:17:06 PM
Post by: Jellymon on March 06, 2014, 09:30:35 PM
Am I the only one who finds it funny when guys talk speed and Hoyt in the same post? :chuckle:
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Post by: bullcanyon on March 07, 2014, 06:02:42 AM
Am I the only one that finds it funny when guys claim Mathews meet their speed rating? Or come in at their claimed draw length?
Just my opinion but mathews isn't keeping up with other manufacturers. Their bows are basically the same the last few years. Nothing special. They are a decent bow but there are better for less money.
Post by: D-Rock425 on March 07, 2014, 06:18:41 AM
Am I the only one who finds it funny when guys talk speed and Hoyt in the same post? :chuckle:hater. I may only be shooting 300fps with only a 27" draw but really how fast does one need to shoot? Speed isn't everything you know.
Post by: Jellymon on March 07, 2014, 06:54:50 AM
Sorry if I derailed the thread, I guess ive been on archery talk too long and am sick of all the brand superiority crap. :chuckle:
Post by: nw_bowhunter on March 07, 2014, 06:58:57 AM
I just got my Chill R at Fletcher Setter for 750 bucks..he's got a lot of bows to choose from and he's a very nice guy.
[/quote.. that's a heck of deal.. congrats on the new bowI will re-shoot these bows again to ensure I making the right choice. thanks for the feedbackLooking at the Heli, Creed, and Maybe Chill. Although the Chill I'm a little concerned that the speed will compromise accuracy.
In the ChillR maybe a small amount, but in the original Chill accuracy should be easier to maintain than most. It's a very easy bow to shoot. And that cam system is extremely nice! Same speed you would see in the Heli and a much easier bow to shoot. Creed does feel good in the hand when you shoot it. Not surprised that's why you like it! For the same money I'd take the speed and the sweet grip of the Chill. Just my :twocents: You should be happy either way.
Post by: nw_bowhunter on March 07, 2014, 07:03:56 AM
Just curious. Have you shot any of the hoyts or pse bows? The Mathews I've tried in the last few years didn't feel as crisp as the hoyts or pse bows I've tried. Also what has you wanting to give up speed to go to a single cam?No I haven't. I'm no expert on bows but I do feel the signal cams are plenty efficient. All my bows in the past have had two cams and it seemed there was always timing issues. I just started shooting a few different models and kept coming back to Mathews
Post by: bullcanyon on March 07, 2014, 07:24:20 AM
You're right Jelly. If it feels good to him then that's what he should shoot. From what I've encountered most guys that shoot a mathews had there minds made up before they even shot one. Rarely have they tried another brand. Sounds like he tried a couple other bows so at least he didn't have tunnel vision.
No brand loyalty in my house. I shoot a pse, my wife shoots a Martin, son shoots hoyt, and my daughter shoots Diamond.
Post by: Jellymon on March 07, 2014, 07:33:30 AM
Post by: RadSav on March 07, 2014, 07:54:55 AM
Was referring more to the pse.
Am I the only one that finds it funny when guys claim Mathews meet their speed rating? Or come in at their claimed draw length?
Well that's a different story all together :chuckle: Most of the Mathews I've tested have met their speed ratings. But that may be only because most have been half to three quarters long in length. ;) Most single cam bows that used 8125 were all over the place in draw length. Not sure anyone had the length right for a while. I had a long talk with the guys at Zebra during the ATA this year. They admitted quality control had gotten very loose in past years. They claim that as of last year they've reinvested in quality control and materials. From what I've seen in the more recent Mathews this seems to hold true.
Over the years Martin and PSE have probably had the biggest gaps between actual speeds and listed speeds. Not sure many cared about PSE speeds not being accurate as they were still faster than most. Interesting that PSE now gives an eight fps variance in listed speed. That top end still seems quite the mystical creature.
Post by: RadSav on March 07, 2014, 08:20:53 AM
Am I the only one who finds it funny when guys talk speed and Hoyt in the same post? :chuckle:hater. I may only be shooting 300fps with only a 27" draw but really how fast does one need to shoot? Speed isn't everything you know.
Nothing to do with being a hater. Fact is Hoyts are below average in speed and above average in cost. Nothing wrong with that if you like Hoyt bows. But, so often Hoyt shooters want to school folks on speed which I find funny when they are slower than just about everyone else who makes a two cam bow. Considerably slower than any other $1,000 two cam bow I've tested.
Most major companies reach Hoyt turbo speeds with 7" brace heights. You are accomplishing the amazing by reaching 300 fps at 27" draw shooting a Hoyt. You must hold your mouth just right! I've never seen a Hoyt, even the turbo, reach 300 fps at 27" draw length shooting a 6 grain arrow. 70# and IBO arrows ok, but never a WA state legal hunting arrow.
I agree speed isn't everything. Just ask nearly every Hoyt or Mathews shooter :chuckle: But for me, if I'm going to spend the big bucks I want good performance and shootability. 6" brace heights aren't my answer to shootability. Even if that's an acceptable compromise for the little people who shoot 27". :tung:
Post by: D-Rock425 on March 07, 2014, 08:32:18 AM
Post by: bullcanyon on March 07, 2014, 09:11:06 AM
Post by: RadSav on March 07, 2014, 09:17:35 AM
Well I'm far from 6 grains per pound and shooting 300 more like 5grains per pound. My hunting arrows go slow very slow.
Probably faster than when I was an eat, sleep, bleed Hoyt shooter. I think I was about 235 back then. Killed A LOT of critters back then! Although I hunted nearly five months straight each year. If I got a call anywhere in the US I was usually on my way to shoot something...Good Times! Still not sure why I grew up, got married and started a business :chuckle:
Post by: RadSav on March 07, 2014, 09:20:55 AM
Now if you take the numbers you read on here you'd think most bows exceed their ibo by a good bit :)
:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: I expect the speed numbers on here are probably closer to reality than the average bear weight.
Post by: nw_bowhunter on March 08, 2014, 05:57:18 PM
I still need to select arrows. was thinking a 340 spine and shooting for 450 grains. I shoot the Realtreee Beaman currently.. Was thinking about the Bone collectors... Any recommendations would be great. Also for you guys with more knowledge on archery accessories if you have any input on the ones I selected please advise
Post by: RadSav on March 08, 2014, 06:19:09 PM
I'm not a huge fan of HIT inserts on anything but the FMJ. But I wouldn't talk a guy out of them if he liked the shafts. In my opinion your accessories sound good.
My only question would be, "Why seven pins?" With the speed you should see out of this bow a five pin would give you 30, 40, 50, 60 & 70. For a hunting bow you really don't need a 20 anymore. I see a lot of mistakes in the field with guys who shoot 7 pins. And for me personally, I find seven pins a target panic nightmare. However, once again I would not talk a guy out of it if that's what he liked. Just pass along the word of caution.
I think you made a really good choice. No excuses now! I'm expecting a lot of dead animal pictures after this 2014 season from you. :chuckle:
Post by: D-Rock425 on March 08, 2014, 06:21:54 PM
Post by: nw_bowhunter on March 08, 2014, 07:06:38 PM
Great bow at a really dang good price!!! Congratulations!
I'm not a huge fan of HIT inserts on anything but the FMJ. But I wouldn't talk a guy out of them if he liked the shafts. In my opinion your accessories sound good.
My only question would be, "Why seven pins?" With the speed you should see out of this bow a five pin would give you 30, 40, 50, 60 & 70. For a hunting bow you really don't need a 20 anymore. I see a lot of mistakes in the field with guys who shoot 7 pins. And for me personally, I find seven pins a target panic nightmare. However, once again I would not talk a guy out of it if that's what he liked. Just pass along the word of caution.
I think you made a really good choice. No excuses now! I'm expecting a lot of dead animal pictures after this 2014 season from you. :chuckle:
I was trying to make this same argument with my buddy that the first pin should be 30 not 20 because in reality they are so close.. I really want the spot hogg and didn't see the 5 pin... also consider the Montana gold 5 pin.. good point and I will need to be more aware")
Thanks for the feedback on the arrow.. I will do some more research...
I haven't bought a new since 05... I'm so excited and yes I'm hoping to clutter Hunt WA up with kills shots...")
Post by: nw_bowhunter on March 08, 2014, 07:07:49 PM
I like the bow choicethanks and I will be coming up for the 3d shoot this time...no excuses about the Seahwaks game being on like last time..
Post by: jpharcher on March 08, 2014, 07:12:56 PM
Post by: RadSav on March 08, 2014, 08:47:54 PM
I really want the spot hogg and didn't see the 5 pin... also consider the Montana gold 5 pin..
I wouldn't wish my target panic issues on my worst enemies. That's why I try to caution most. It's a horrible affliction!
As much as I like the folks at Montana Black Gold and have been disappointed in recent years by the folks at Spot Hogg, I do believe the Spot Hogg sights are better built, easier to adjust and MUCH more durable. Five pin models should be easy to find. The wife shoots nothing but Spot Hogg five pin sights. As did I before they pissed me off.
Post by: bullcanyon on March 09, 2014, 11:38:08 AM
Post by: northwesthunter84 on March 09, 2014, 12:22:59 PM
Post by: nw_bowhunter on March 09, 2014, 08:03:56 PM
NW that is an awesome bow setup, you will be very happy with that rig. As far as arrows and the weight that you are looking for FMJ's are pretty sweet. Been shooting them for a few years and I will keep shooting them for many more. I have had really good luck, amazing penetration and excellent flight profile with them.thanks for the info on the FMJ's.
Post by: sakoshooter on March 09, 2014, 10:21:55 PM
My :twocents: for arrows and your new set up would be Easton Axis arrows w/HIT inserts(yes, HIT)for a tough all around arrow. If you want some more speed, look at the Easton Da Torch arrows. Been shooting them since last fall and really like them. Another arrow would be the Easton Bloodline. Kind of between the other two in weight and price.
I think the trick with the HIT inserts is to clean the inside of the shaft prior to epoxying the inserts. I put a few dozen thru some torture tests and never had an insert fail to hold - I take that back - a steel deer ruined one badly, LOL.
Spot Hogg 7 pin sight. I switched from a Spot Hogg 5 pin to a Spot Hogg SDP(7 Deadly Pins) and really like it. It did take a few times out to get used to the crowded sight/pin set up but after a bit it's not confusing at all. Certainly no more than my 5 pin was. I think that no matter what you look at for a sight, you'd get used to it. Going from a single pin to a hunting sight with multiple pins might look confusing at first also.
What I really like about the Spot Hogg sight is that there is no weak link. It's a solid sight if taken care of. If you fall on it, no sight is going to hold up.
Bottom line is that it's your money, get the best you can afford and what feels good in your hand.
Post by: nw_bowhunter on March 15, 2014, 07:50:24 PM
I still need to buy some arrows. I decided to shoot my current ones and get the bow dialed in before spending a bunch on arrows. Pretty sure I will get the Easton Axis and look for cheaper arrows when I shoot 3d events.. My current Beamans aren't made anymore, but I been happy with them.
Post by: RadSav on March 15, 2014, 08:44:12 PM
Post by: nw_bowhunter on March 15, 2014, 09:48:47 PM
Post by: sakoshooter on March 15, 2014, 11:47:17 PM
Post by: nw_bowhunter on March 16, 2014, 06:53:02 AM
Congrats on the new bow. As long as we BS'd at my place, I wasn't sure you'd make down there today, LOL.I got to my house a few minutes after 4pm.. and made it to the family dinner on time") Everything worked out great.
Post by: blackveltbowhunter on March 16, 2014, 12:16:16 PM
Post by: The Fin on March 19, 2014, 11:50:28 AM
Post by: xXLojackXx on March 19, 2014, 11:58:45 AM
Am I the only one who finds it funny when guys talk speed and Hoyt in the same post? :chuckle:
I beg to differ.
Post by: RadSav on March 19, 2014, 12:08:45 PM
Yeah, I guess their anemic speeds for that much money spent...that's not funny at all! :yike:Am I the only one who finds it funny when guys talk speed and Hoyt in the same post? :chuckle:I beg to differ.