Post by: Hawgdawg on March 06, 2014, 06:52:22 PM
Looking for info. I am thinking of buying a Bullet (Keystone) 246 RBS year 2014 :yike:
Anybody have any input? positive and negative please.
Also anyone dealt with Fife RV center in bonny lake. Sales person Stevie Ray Vahn and sales manager James Walker. All horror stories will be given great reading.
I will check my PM and delete any correspondence for personal reasons.
Thanks for your future input.
Hawgdawg
Post by: jrebel on March 06, 2014, 07:02:35 PM
I only say this cause I looked fare and wide for a good camper / dealership and most the dealerships on the west side were rude and overpriced.
Good Luck with your purchase :tup:
Post by: Hawgdawg on March 06, 2014, 07:25:45 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on March 06, 2014, 07:26:50 PM
Post by: xxlx7 on March 06, 2014, 07:39:10 PM
Post by: 6x6in6 on March 06, 2014, 08:42:28 PM
Post by: chevyistop on March 07, 2014, 08:19:12 PM
Post by: baker5150 on March 07, 2014, 08:34:24 PM
Line. The sprinter and cougar are the mid level. Ask to look at higher end models They have more options and you can get them for the same price.
I bought mine new in 2012. Asking was 33k. And I walked out with it for 21 at camping world in Burlington
Post by: Hawgdawg on March 07, 2014, 09:13:45 PM
Post by: jburkett on March 07, 2014, 11:25:21 PM
Post by: Bean Counter on March 08, 2014, 01:34:49 AM
I'm projecting to be rich when I retire, decades from now, but I bet even then if I decide to buy one that I'd still prefer to buy used. Just better economics to buy even at least a year old and save 20-25%. :twocents: :twocents: :twocents: :twocents: etc
Post by: Hawgdawg on March 08, 2014, 08:16:47 AM
I've hunted out of an RV and it was a great experience. Seems great to have. I don't have any experience about maintaining one. That said. I'm a math guy, so here goes: Are you rich? Can you pay cash for this? If you didn't know, these things depreciate a TON. Way more than a car. If you'll take one 2-3 years old, you could get it 50% the cost of new.
I'm projecting to be rich when I retire, decades from now, but I bet even then if I decide to buy one that I'd still prefer to buy used. Just better economics to buy even at least a year old and save 20-25%. :twocents: :twocents: :twocents: :twocents: etc
I hear ya. Not rich by any means. :bash:We love this rvs layout and cannot find a used one so far.
Post by: Hawgdawg on March 08, 2014, 01:38:41 PM
In addition, have you heard that you might be able to write off your interest if you claim it as a second home. I was told this by a SALESMAN so I'm sure it is true! :chuckle:
Post by: CAMPMEAT on March 08, 2014, 01:51:45 PM
Post by: 6x6in6 on March 08, 2014, 02:19:43 PM
In addition, have you heard that you might be able to write off your interest if you claim it as a second home. I was told this by a SALESMAN so I'm sure it is true! :chuckle::chuckle:
Take the wheels off of it and call it a manufactured home. :chuckle:
Post by: Bean Counter on March 08, 2014, 02:28:27 PM
Nevertheless, I find the idea deplorable. No way I would finance a motor home whether or not my primary home was paid for. :twocents:
Post by: Hawgdawg on March 08, 2014, 03:06:00 PM
They actually told you the truth this time. A home needs to have sleeping, cooking, and toilet facilities. http://www.irs.gov/publications/p936/ar02.html#en_US_2013_publink1000229900 (http://www.irs.gov/publications/p936/ar02.html#en_US_2013_publink1000229900)
Nevertheless, I find the idea deplorable. No way I would finance a motor home whether or not my primary home was paid for. :twocents:
I never said anyone lied to me! In addition I'm looking at a bumper pull travel trailer not a motor home!
(deplorable :dunno:) Websters Definition of DEPLORABLE. 1. arousing or deserving of one's loathing and disgust <we will not tolerate such deplorable behavior in a house of worship>
Sorry you feel that way bean counter.... Thanks for your two cents.
Everybody else please keep the information coming regarding RV's.
I already have a financial adviser.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on March 08, 2014, 03:26:21 PM
Post by: jrebel on March 08, 2014, 04:31:30 PM
Absolutely :tup: :tup:
And for the money issue. You can't take it with you when you die, so you should enjoy life while your young enough to do so. :tup:
Post by: Bean Counter on March 08, 2014, 04:44:32 PM
Didn't mean to impugn your integrity. Sorry if I came across that way.
Butting out now.
Post by: Hawgdawg on March 08, 2014, 06:30:32 PM
:yeah: :yeah:
Absolutely :tup: :tup:
And for the money issue. You can't take it with you when you die, so you should enjoy life while your young enough to do so. :tup:
jrebel , :yeah: good point. Had a neighbor that worked his but off for 36 years for Puget Sound Energy. When he retired they made a big deal about it and he got the gold watch and a cruise ship vacation. He had the big one on the boat and died. Wasn't even wearing the watch. Life's short ................play naked!!!
Also, who said I was financing anything. Love the look between the line hyjacked posts!
Post by: 6x6in6 on March 08, 2014, 06:43:41 PM
What were you referring to when you mentioned that the salesman (liar :chuckle: ) said you might be able to write off the interest?
Also, who said I was financing anything. Love the look between the line hyjacked posts!
Post by: Hawgdawg on March 08, 2014, 09:42:13 PM
Also, who said I was financing anything. Love the look between the line hyjacked posts!
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What were you referring to when you mentioned that the salesman (liar :chuckle: ) said you might be able to write off the interest?
66 Thanks for the pm. I checked out your lead.
Not sure what all the little smiley people are that you can click on. Maybe HWF should have a glossary so rednecks like me don't post the wrong smiley face! but when I posted one of those little critters it was not stating in my mind that someone was lying but mostly that they were salesman in the RV biz and I would speculate that they might color outside the lines to get you to commit on a transaction which they would profit from.
I'm just funny that way. Possibly tell you that it was a tax right off. Which by the way, he mentioned to check with my accountant or attorney.
Sorry 66 that my smiley guy made you think something else. I wasn't referring to anything else.
Dang, wish I could get more positive response's on track to my original post.
Post by: Wake1 on March 12, 2014, 03:38:35 PM
Post by: STED9r on March 13, 2014, 12:00:49 PM
They were not willing to negotiate a price at first, told me that going into the season they could get people lined up to buy and hard to keep stock. I kept looking and got a call about 3 days after my last visit there. Got the price $4k off list, 1 flat screen and an awning for slide out. I figured I got $5k off list after add ons.
Now, I've had trailers since 1985, have rebuilt a couple ins totals and guess I know my way around them and probably overly anal with my monies and want everything I buy perfect.
No trailers coming out of factory is perfect. Its just the way it is, cheaper labor, felons etc. They push them out and let the dealers fix the small stuff.
I went through mine rather thoroughly and had a 3 page punch list.
Jim, service mngr at fife Rv in Bonney lake bent over more than I thought they would, I went in doing a shock an awe with as much trivial *censored* I could find and they took care of it. Now, did have a roof issue with a poor job from factory, didnt leak just layed wrong. Factory wanted me to send it to them and I told them no, fix it local or give me a new one. They choose fix local. Now I wasn't going to be without my new trlr until after elk hunting so actually use the trlr all summer and fall to wind up dragging up to Bonney lake the next wknd I was back from hunting, dirty. Took them a month and a half to do the roof and some other warranty things that cropped up over using for a few months but it all worked out great.
Don't know what alls been said about fife Rv but, not even a second thought on my end to go back and buy another in a few years. I could equate that as lucky but, as much as I'm an obstinate and know it all ass, they did a very nice job on sale and service work.
I gave it to them filthy, they polished it inside an out and it looked new when I picked it up. It usually takes more 5 hours to clean it in and out after a hunt trip, I got a free cleaning job and winterization free along with the rest of what they did with zero out of pocket.
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on March 13, 2014, 01:14:09 PM
the big thing to know is price. EVERYTHING HAS A INVOICE PRICE, however most stores will never never never show you the invoice, mostly because the cost versus price they are selling for are crazy different.
I never have, and NEVER will buy a new RV from a dealer. The markup is incredible for cheap wood, 2x2 walls, linoleum, crappy mattresses, sub-par wiring, proprietary 'Entertainment' systems. I've always felt better off purchasing used from someone (an old couple), that kept their RV stored out of the weather. If the AC goes out.. Replace the whole darn thing since none of them are rechargeable. It ain't rocket science. When the entertainment stereo goes out, replace it with some smart woodwork to fill the hole with a car stereo/deck if you want some tunes to set the mood. Hot water tanks corrode. Elements fail. It is not hard to replace them. I've saved a ton of money on the original cost by buying used and maintaining things or replacing a few failed components over the years.
Sorry, I can't give any personal advice about Fife RV. Mom bought a 5th wheel there years ago. They let her trade a car in on it. Pretty much ripped her off.
-Steve
Post by: Hawgdawg on March 18, 2014, 08:59:16 PM
Post by: Hawgdawg on March 20, 2014, 07:39:14 PM
To pissed to go into it. But just a nibble. Signed, inked the deal, cash. Show up to pick it up tonight and a different trailer....Color, etc. Unbellieblale :bash: :bash: :bash: , so sorry you signed the contract. any of you going to the wood shed rv show I will be the one with the picket the Sunset RV company. On believable......................$%#@&&^%(## :bash: :bash:
Post by: Hawgdawg on March 20, 2014, 07:43:36 PM
Post by: 6x6in6 on March 20, 2014, 08:14:02 PM
Shoulda went to Oregon like I suggested.
Enjoy the picketing experience. Pictures please. :chuckle:
Post by: Hawgdawg on March 20, 2014, 08:17:47 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on March 20, 2014, 08:24:34 PM
Post by: 6x6in6 on March 20, 2014, 08:26:38 PM
So did they refund you the money or did you take it home with you? Or waiting for another to come in?
Post by: Hawgdawg on March 20, 2014, 08:28:54 PM
So, no vin # on the contract you signed the other day?
Shoulda went to Oregon like I suggested.
Enjoy the picketing experience. Pictures please. :chuckle:
Give me a break, I didn't post to hear a I told you so. I did what every smart informed consumer would do. My Gal got involved....big mistake. They have caved in and will have our cash at 9 in the morning. I will be at the rv show with my sign and fliers warning other potential customer's. Buyer Beware......................... BBB and Attorney General on my bitch list to complain. Stop by and I'll by you a beer. Ps, In the market for a bumber tow ! :IBCOOL:
Post by: Hawgdawg on March 20, 2014, 08:34:43 PM
Well that blows. :(
So did they refund you the money or did you take it home with you? Or waiting for another to come in?
are you serious, they beg and pleaded, I will not even piss on their building if it is on fire. Money is back in am. Going to spend my weekend at the rv show with a sign and flyers warning other victim's. They have screwed with the wrong guy................ :bdid:
Post by: HntnFsh on March 21, 2014, 06:05:42 AM
Post by: Hawgdawg on March 21, 2014, 11:12:20 PM
That sucks! Sorry to hear it. Would a talk with an attorney be in order?
I mentioned earlier in this post that I didn't call him a liar. Now I am! After 4 months of educating myself with the different products. I did my best to make a fair deal for all involved. Yes, I made them throw in a extra battery, awning for the slide, oversized propane tanks, topped off, install my easy lift hitch system. But when we go to have the walkthrough and pick it up it is the wrong trailer...He claims oops. don't know how that happened.
Went and got the cash back this am. Found out today it was there last one of that model and I beat them up to bad on it, so they decided to show case it at the Tacoma rv show this weekend and sell it for a few grand more. I have had better experiences in Mexican prisons that dealing with Sunset RV.
No, I won't get an attorney. I am sure they have several on retainers. Letters to the bbb and attorney general are being drafted. And the ole Internet is a huge resource to give others a heads up.
Good news is I found the same rig in Portland and looks like it might work out. We will find out tomorrow if they can make it happen for my price I am willing to pay.
Down side is if I need warranty work done I will have to take it to Sunset if I don't feel like the 3 hr haul to Portland.............So I am going to back off the demonstration at the wood shed this weekend. Just inform others on the internet about my experience.
Up until they did the bait and switch I was fairly happy with the experience. It was mentioned about checking the vin number. I have paid cash for a few vehicles and never once did I have to check the vin. I could tell by looking at it if it was the rig I had been looking, feeling, dreaming about.
Just sharing my experience, and venting my frustration's. Hope someone can benefit from my mistakes.
To be continued.......................................... :bash: