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Big Game Hunting => Out Of State Hunting => Topic started by: lhrbull on March 08, 2014, 08:25:37 AM

Title: wyoming sheep and moose
Post by: lhrbull on March 08, 2014, 08:25:37 AM: how many of you put in for tags this year or are just buy points in July
Title: Re: wyoming sheep and moose
Post by: 6x6in6 on March 08, 2014, 10:37:02 AM: I'm in for moose again this year. Not for sheep.
Hopefully they keep my money and not issue me the rebate check again. :chuckle:
Title: Re: wyoming sheep and moose
Post by: Halo on March 08, 2014, 12:29:50 PM: I'm in for moose and sheep with 13 points.
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Post by: Bean Counter on March 08, 2014, 12:34:26 PM: I was thinking about jumping into the points game this year but I read that they're looking at significantly cutting the tags a available to non residents rven more than they do now. I'd hate to commit to a two decade process for nothing.
Title: Re: wyoming sheep and moose
Post by: lhrbull on March 10, 2014, 05:25:43 AM: which units did you select guided or DIY
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Post by: boneaddict on March 10, 2014, 05:30:12 AM: It will be points in July for me this year. I think I am somewhere between 10-12 points. I am getting close for moose.
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Post by: bearpaw on March 10, 2014, 05:42:46 AM: Quote from: Bean Counter on March 08, 2014, 12:34:26 PM
I was thinking about jumping into the points game this year but I read that they're looking at significantly cutting the tags a available to non residents rven more than they do now. I'd hate to commit to a two decade process for nothing.

:yeah: I want to buy points too if it makes sense!
Title: Re: wyoming sheep and moose
Post by: Skyvalhunter on March 10, 2014, 05:49:58 AM: Applied and racking up the points
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Post by: boneaddict on March 10, 2014, 06:16:13 AM: Nice thing about Wyoming is its spelled out pretty clearly what you have in line in front of you in regards to point holders and when you will draw in their preference point system. If I wasn't in the game yet, it would be hard to enter it.
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Post by: 3dvapor on March 10, 2014, 06:38:52 AM: I'm also sitting on 10 to 12 points for moose and sheep. I hope to be able to draw within the next 15 years. Strategy is to stay healthy and keep working out to stay in shape.
Title: Re: wyoming sheep and moose
Post by: bearpaw on March 10, 2014, 06:41:46 AM: Quote from: 3dvapor on March 10, 2014, 06:38:52 AM
I'm also sitting on 10 to 12 points for moose and sheep. I hope to be able to draw within the next 15 years. Strategy is to stay healthy and keep working out to stay in shape.

That's where I am having trouble, trying to decide if I can still do a sheep hunt if I ever draw, I might be using a cane by then... :chuckle:
Title: Re: wyoming sheep and moose
Post by: bearpaw on March 10, 2014, 06:51:07 AM: Looking at this page it appears that it's pretty tough draw odds, right now a 15 to 20 year wait for a guaranteed tag and that's not figuring point creep, not sure how their draw works, is it 100% preference (those with the most points draw all tags) or is it bonus points (points get extra chances in the draw)?

http://gf.state.wy.us/web2011/Departments/Hunting/pdfs/TOTAL_PREF_POINTS_MS_130004710.pdf (http://gf.state.wy.us/web2011/Departments/Hunting/pdfs/TOTAL_PREF_POINTS_MS_130004710.pdf)
Title: Re: wyoming sheep and moose
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on March 10, 2014, 09:28:57 AM: Quote from: bearpaw on March 10, 2014, 06:51:07 AM
Looking at this page it appears that it's pretty tough draw odds, right now a 15 to 20 year wait for a guaranteed tag and that's not figuring point creep, not sure how their draw works, is it 100% preference (those with the most points draw all tags) or is it bonus points (points get extra chances in the draw)?

http://gf.state.wy.us/web2011/Departments/Hunting/pdfs/TOTAL_PREF_POINTS_MS_130004710.pdf (http://gf.state.wy.us/web2011/Departments/Hunting/pdfs/TOTAL_PREF_POINTS_MS_130004710.pdf)
Two draws, resident and nonresident. 75%/25% split. Of those, 75% are preference point and 25% random draw.

Suppose area X has 16 moose permits. 9 go to the resident draw for preference points, 3 random; and 3 go to the nonresident draw for preference points, 1 random
Title: Re: wyoming sheep and moose
Post by: boneaddict on March 10, 2014, 09:37:38 AM: :yeah:
Why I quite bothering with random draw. ALSO why I go postal on here when folks start talking preference point system for Washington.
Title: Re: wyoming sheep and moose
Post by: boneaddict on March 10, 2014, 09:41:57 AM: and as they decrease the amount of tags (THANKS wolves), point creep is becoming nasty!
Title: Re: wyoming sheep and moose
Post by: bobcat on March 10, 2014, 09:44:28 AM: The talk is that Wyoming is going to decrease the percentage of tags that go to non residents in the near future, making some hunts nearly impossible to draw, even for those who have max points. They tried to get the change implemented this year but it didn't quite make it, so most people are thinking it's a done deal for next year. Due to this many people are getting out of the Wyoming points game.
Title: Re: wyoming sheep and moose
Post by: boneaddict on March 10, 2014, 09:46:51 AM: A bunch of folks bailed when they raised the cost of the points. That softened that chart a bit.
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Post by: boneaddict on March 10, 2014, 09:47:35 AM: It would be cool to know how many non res tags they give out for each every year. I am sure a person could find out
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Post by: 6x6in6 on March 10, 2014, 09:58:12 AM: Quote from: lhrbull on March 10, 2014, 05:25:43 AM
which units did you select guided or DIY
38, DIY. I got no shot with 15 pts but what the heck, somebody has to draw the 1 in the random. :chuckle:
Title: Re: wyoming sheep and moose
Post by: 6x6in6 on March 10, 2014, 10:09:35 AM: Quote from: boneaddict on March 10, 2014, 09:47:35 AM
It would be cool to know how many non res tags they give out for each every year. I am sure a person could find out
89 total in 2013.
9 for any moose
53 for antlered
14 for antlerless
13 in the random (2 any, 8 antlered, 3 antlerless)
Title: Re: wyoming sheep and moose
Post by: bearpaw on March 10, 2014, 10:12:25 AM: good info, thanks guys :tup:
Title: Re: wyoming sheep and moose
Post by: boneaddict on March 10, 2014, 10:22:38 AM: Thanks 6x6.
Title: Re: wyoming sheep and moose
Post by: boneaddict on March 10, 2014, 10:24:18 AM: Even with 12 points, that's about 10 years to chew through the NR pool. :chuckle: for moose that is. Sheep is even uglier
Title: Re: wyoming sheep and moose
Post by: 6x6in6 on March 10, 2014, 10:32:52 AM: Here's the preference and random draw results from the last 2 years.
There are some opportunities in some very fine hunt areas to pick up an antlered or any tag with 12 or more points.
If I don't get drawn this year, which I highly doubt I will, I am probably going to go after one of the other areas next year.
I ain't getting any younger here. :chuckle:
Title: Re: wyoming sheep and moose
Post by: lhrbull on March 10, 2014, 12:14:55 PM: last year in unit 34 it was one with 17 points and 1 with 14 points and one 14 point guy didn't draw and 33 people put in with less than 14 they don't give you a break down below the bottom point drawer(14) in this instance but their were units in the state that 12 was a tag winner
Title: Re: wyoming sheep and moose
Post by: Bean Counter on March 10, 2014, 06:59:52 PM: Quote from: boneaddict on March 10, 2014, 10:24:18 AM
Even with 12 points, that's about 10 years to chew through the NR pool. :chuckle: for moose that is. Sheep is even uglier

Yeah screw this.

Canada might be more expensive but I don't want to commit to two decades and lots of uncertainty at that.
Title: Re: wyoming sheep and moose
Post by: GurrCentral on March 10, 2014, 07:35:49 PM: Quote from: Bean Counter on March 10, 2014, 06:59:52 PM
Quote from: boneaddict on March 10, 2014, 10:24:18 AM
Even with 12 points, that's about 10 years to chew through the NR pool. :chuckle: for moose that is. Sheep is even uglier

Yeah screw this.

Canada might be more expensive but I don't want to commit to two decades and lots of uncertainty at that.

Atleast it would be more chance to get drawn than only applying in WA (even though it may be a very small chance)..............you think there is any certainty with applying in WA?
Title: Re: wyoming sheep and moose
Post by: Bean Counter on March 10, 2014, 08:39:31 PM: Yep but if you're a non resident the costs are cheap. Who wants to commit to spending $100 a year for 20 years, then pay what will likely be $2,000+ by then? That's $4,000 just to get your tag. Gotta be cheaper options in Canada or Mexico.
Title: Re: wyoming sheep and moose
Post by: GurrCentral on March 10, 2014, 09:22:05 PM: Quote from: Bean Counter on March 10, 2014, 08:39:31 PM
Yep but if you're a non resident the costs are cheap. Who wants to commit to spending $100 a year for 20 years, then pay what will likely be $2,000+ by then? That's $4,000 just to get your tag. Gotta be cheaper options in Canada or Mexico.

If you find a sheep hunt cheaper than 4 let me know!!!
Title: Re: wyoming sheep and moose
Post by: lhrbull on March 11, 2014, 11:42:00 AM: moose points in wyoming are $75 a year and the sheep is $100
Title: Re: wyoming sheep and moose
Post by: lhrbull on April 29, 2014, 09:27:11 PM: draw posts at 10:00 AM May 1 good luck to all
Title: Re: wyoming sheep and moose
Post by: WAcoueshunter on May 01, 2014, 10:34:18 AM: Anyone? Probably a longshot for us poor Washington NR's, but would be cool if someone drew. No moose for me.
Title: Re: wyoming sheep and moose
Post by: 6x6in6 on May 01, 2014, 10:45:32 AM: Quote from: 6x6in6 on March 08, 2014, 10:37:02 AM
I'm in for moose again this year. Not for sheep.
Hopefully they keep my money and not issue me the rebate check again. :chuckle:
Well, crap, I thought I might pull my tag this year.
Figures.....of the 11 peeps that had 14 points, 7 of them got tags. Naturally, I had to be one of the 4. :bash:
If I would have stuck with the area I applied for last year I'd have been drawn.

It's official, I will now apply for WA. Oh boy, can't wait.... :rolleyes:
Title: Re: wyoming sheep and moose
Post by: Halo on May 01, 2014, 05:39:12 PM: Nothing for me, just more points.
Title: Re: wyoming sheep and moose
Post by: lhrbull on May 02, 2014, 02:17:28 PM: just more points the area last year only had 3 people at 14 points or better this year there was 9with 14pts and they give 2 tags 22% drawing chance still better than Washington
Title: Re: wyoming sheep and moose
Post by: finnman on May 11, 2014, 06:21:26 PM: Myself and my hunting buddy drew our moose tags for WY! Came in the mail yesterday! :IBCOOL:

I bailed on the point system when they jacked the prices to $75 for moose points. So we weighed out the costs of Idaho at $2,200 for a tag VS. the WY tag at $1,416. All things being even we decided to put in for WY and see what happened. Yep we are hunting moose! No points either! Yes there is a hitch but I am not telling! :yike:
Title: Re: wyoming sheep and moose
Post by: starbailey on May 11, 2014, 07:50:19 PM: I baled 3 years ago on both sheep and moose. The part I didnt like about drawing a ram permit in WY is if you want to hunt any wilderness area you have to hire a guide. Most of the best sheep units are wilderness hunts. I'm definitely not against going guided but I sure would like the option to do it on my own if that's what I choose.
So the cost of 10 more years @ $100 plus $6-8,000 for a guide wasn't worth it to me.
Moose is a little different. I baled thinking because I figured I'd be able to draw in WA or ID cheeper.
Title: Re: wyoming sheep and moose
Post by: cem3434 on May 12, 2014, 04:46:46 PM: Quote from: finnman on May 11, 2014, 06:21:26 PM
Myself and my hunting buddy drew our moose tags for WY! Came in the mail yesterday! :IBCOOL:

I bailed on the point system when they jacked the prices to $75 for moose points. So we weighed out the costs of Idaho at $2,200 for a tag VS. the WY tag at $1,416. All things being even we decided to put in for WY and see what happened. Yep we are hunting moose! No points either! Yes there is a hitch but I am not telling! :yike:

Ok, since nobody else will bite, I will. What is the hitch? You have already drawn your OIL moose tag, so you can tell us. It can be our little secret. :chuckle:
Title: Re: wyoming sheep and moose
Post by: finnman on May 13, 2014, 02:20:04 PM: Okay fine, I'll tell......after the hunt is over! :chuckle:
Title: Re: wyoming sheep and moose
Post by: lhrbull on May 14, 2014, 10:41:25 PM: nine put in for 34 and two non=residence drew unless you are real a Wyoming resident
Title: Re: wyoming sheep and moose
Post by: finnman on May 15, 2014, 10:22:44 PM: Your getting warm..... :rolleyes:
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Post by: lhrbull on May 16, 2014, 12:30:04 PM: didn't think moose had landonwer tags
Title: Re: wyoming sheep and moose
Post by: Elkstuffer on May 17, 2014, 09:24:15 PM: Quote from: lhrbull on March 11, 2014, 11:42:00 AM
moose points in wyoming are $75 a year and the sheep is $100

I started early and my first 6 moose points were only $7 so I won't have quite as much invested when I finally draw. I dropped out of the sheep game when I found out that your points DO NOT come in to play in the random draw. I was still way out from the max point pool.
Title: Re: wyoming sheep and moose
Post by: lhrbull on May 21, 2014, 09:51:33 PM: come on finn tell us how you pulled this off