Post by: Bean Counter on March 08, 2014, 12:00:13 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/science/2014/03/08/deaths-bighorn-sheep-draws-criticism-relocation-project/?intcmp=latestnews (http://www.foxnews.com/science/2014/03/08/deaths-bighorn-sheep-draws-criticism-relocation-project/?intcmp=latestnews)
State wildlife officials say the deaths of more than a dozen bighorn sheep relocated to the Catalina Mountains north of Tucson does not mean the project is a failure.
Some animal welfare advocates are divided over the transplanting last November of 31 bighorns from the Yuma area to the Catalinas.....
Post by: huntnphool on March 08, 2014, 12:15:21 PM
If you think WDFW is the undisputed king of sillinessKing of "silliness" no, undisputed king of ineptness yes.
Post by: singleshot12 on March 08, 2014, 12:24:19 PM
The more money they take from us the dumber they seem to get :dunno:Bio's these days do seem to have a major degree in ass backwards stupidity that is for sure :(
Post by: Bean Counter on March 08, 2014, 12:31:38 PM
If you think WDFW is the undisputed king of sillinessKing of "silliness" no, undisputed king of ineptness yes.
my game dept clown can beat up your game dept clown :rolleyes:
Post by: hollymaster on March 08, 2014, 01:13:56 PM
If you think WDFW is the undisputed king of sillinessKing of "silliness" no, undisputed king of ineptness yes.
my game dept clown can beat up your game dept clown :rolleyes:
:chuckle:
Post by: huntnphool on March 08, 2014, 05:50:11 PM
:chuckle:If you think WDFW is the undisputed king of sillinessKing of "silliness" no, undisputed king of ineptness yes.
my game dept clown can beat up your game dept clown :rolleyes:
Post by: sAsQuAtCh17 on March 08, 2014, 11:56:19 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on March 09, 2014, 09:41:56 AM
Post by: timberfaller on March 16, 2014, 03:14:04 PM
Most "wildlife biologist" don't believe in "predator control", they, predators are looked at as just "balancing out" nature, naturally!!
Been there done that! You should have heard the "scalded cat" response at the public meetings over the listing of the Salmon years ago!! When the "biologist" were confronted about "predation" by "nature" of the Salmon smolt's!!
But that didn't fit their "agenda" against water users, aka Farmers!!! and of course the EVIL loggers!!
Post by: deerslyr on March 16, 2014, 07:14:23 PM
Post by: Special T on March 19, 2014, 09:31:43 AM
Post by: Bean Counter on March 19, 2014, 01:44:46 PM
I actually don't have much of a problem with my game department. For the most part I think they do a good job, and I feel the same way about New Mexico G&F as well. WDFW is another story. This in fact IS a huge embarrassment to AZG&F and needs to be called out, not so much to get anyone fired or publicly humiliated as much as that they need to listen to hunters more than predator lovers and do more homework first next time.
Post by: WAcoueshunter on March 19, 2014, 02:10:23 PM
I think most of the drivel about G&F depts is spewn on internet forums by residents of that state. They get frustrated for not drawing a Blues branch bull September rifle permit every year so G&F becomes a pressure valve for their frustration.
I actually don't have much of a problem with my game department. For the most part I think they do a good job, and I feel the same way about New Mexico G&F as well. WDFW is another story. This in fact IS a huge embarrassment to AZG&F and needs to be called out, not so much to get anyone fired or publicly humiliated as much as that they need to listen to hunters more than predator lovers and do more homework first next time.
I think AZG&F does a pretty good job too, but they have it easy because they got over the 100% draw requirement (other than OTC archery deer) a long while back and their constituents have just come to understand that they won't get to hunt their own state every year. Once you get to that step, a lot of things become WAY easier because now people have to choose if they want to hunt or want to hold out for the primo tags, because you can't do both. That makes the odds for the primo tags significantly better.
There are still some things about AZ that people would whine about here for sure:
Imagine if you had to draw every elk, deer, bear, even turkey tag. They do.
OIL odds in AZ are just as bad as here. Heck, even speed goats have max points well above 20.
Up until last year, you could only submit paper applications in AZ because they cut Internet applications after consecutive draw debacles. Sound familiar?
Fees are going way up. Resident bonus point for all species in 2013 = $7.50, after you buy your $32 license. Resident bonus point for all species in 2014 = $13, after you buy your $37 license.
A resident (yes, resident) elk tag just went from $121 to $148. Imagine what people would say here if our resident elk tags were $148!!! Turkey (turkey!) just went from $25 to $38.
These are just some examples. It's not all peaches and cream anywhere.
Post by: baldopepper on March 19, 2014, 02:42:04 PM
Post by: Bean Counter on March 19, 2014, 03:08:13 PM
I think AZG&F does a pretty good job too, but they have it easy because they got over the 100% draw requirement (other than OTC archery deer) a long while back and their constituents have just come to understand that they won't get to hunt their own state every year. Once you get to that step, a lot of things become WAY easier because now people have to choose if they want to hunt or want to hold out for the primo tags, because you can't do both. That makes the odds for the primo tags significantly better.
There are still some things about AZ that people would whine about here for sure:
Imagine if you had to draw every elk, deer, bear, even turkey tag. They do.
OIL odds in AZ are just as bad as here. Heck, even speed goats have max points well above 20.
Up until last year, you could only submit paper applications in AZ because they cut Internet applications after consecutive draw debacles. Sound familiar?
Fees are going way up. Resident bonus point for all species in 2013 = $7.50, after you buy your $32 license. Resident bonus point for all species in 2014 = $13, after you buy your $37 license.
A resident (yes, resident) elk tag just went from $121 to $148. Imagine what people would say here if our resident elk tags were $148!!! Turkey (turkey!) just went from $25 to $38.
These are just some examples. It's not all peaches and cream anywhere.
$148 for an elk tag that you get once every 4 to 8 years, if you're willing to hunt archery or late rifle. More like 12-15 if you want a rifle rut tag. I'm still waiting for my first :( Habitat loss, high quality and high tech hunting equipment, and distaste for widespread predator removal seem to be pervasive throughout the west. This of course leading to shrinking tag numbers and higher fees. I can't say how glad I am to be out of WA though. God help you people. Good riddance :hello:
Post by: timberfaller on March 19, 2014, 08:59:29 PM
Its about doing what is right for the Wildlife. Wolves were never "gone" from Washington state. You would have know that if you worked outdoors for a living. Re-introducing is and was a big mistake!! but you can't tell much to a college educated idiot who is looking for advancement in his or her's career. Ever been around a "whale culvert" project!?? :chuckle:
I've been around quite a few of these individuals, less then 10% have a head on their shoulders that can "think" things through without their "indoctrination" causing problems.
I've also got 20+ years volunteering for WDFW, so I have first hand knowledge of the indoctrination that takes place and acceptance by "employees".
Post by: Bean Counter on March 19, 2014, 09:59:34 PM
Its not "drivel" if the "complaints" can be documented. Its not about "internet" ranting.
Its about doing what is right for the Wildlife. Wolves were never "gone" from Washington state. You would have know that if you worked outdoors for a living. Re-introducing is and was a big mistake!! but you can't tell much to a college educated idiot who is looking for advancement in his or her's career. Ever been around a "whale culvert" project!?? :chuckle:
I've been around quite a few of these individuals, less then 10% have a head on their shoulders that can "think" things through without their "indoctrination" causing problems.
I've also got 20+ years volunteering for WDFW, so I have first hand knowledge of the indoctrination that takes place and acceptance by "employees".
Let's be honest though. A lot of that is a reflection of the electorate. Wolves have been delisted by the Feds for much of your state and if you had the right set of voters picking the right governor and on turn the right director you wouldn't be in 85% of this mess.
Post by: timberfaller on March 21, 2014, 10:26:04 PM
Post by: snowpack on March 22, 2014, 09:48:21 AM