Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on March 22, 2014, 08:49:22 AM
Post by: RadSav on March 22, 2014, 09:00:52 AM
The peep sight can be moved wherever it needs to be to match your particular anchor point. If that is what you are asking :dunno:
I usually teach guys to anchor lower when shooting a compound. That puts the wrist and arm in a more relaxed position and you get more distance between the sight and your arrow. But, it can be wherever you are more comfortable...just move the peep.
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on March 22, 2014, 09:13:02 AM
Post by: stuckalot on March 22, 2014, 09:36:38 AM
Post by: RadSav on March 22, 2014, 09:42:43 AM
Thanks rad. I think I will just move the peep down so it meets my eye as I settle in. I just want it lined up as the d loop settles in to its anchor point in the corner of my mouth. So if I move my peep down which way do I move the Sight housing? I think it would be up correct?
Sight housing will also move down. You may need to go have the string twisted after you move the peep. So it's often advised to make these adjustments at a good archery shop.
Post by: demontang on March 22, 2014, 10:59:01 AM
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on March 22, 2014, 11:11:43 AM
Post by: demontang on March 22, 2014, 02:15:29 PM
Ive seen dloops slip a little and the peep be off just enough in low light to have no sight picture which is bad news with a animal infront of you :tup:
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on March 22, 2014, 03:27:20 PM
Post by: Come Get Some on March 23, 2014, 05:01:50 AM
Post by: demontang on March 23, 2014, 05:37:12 PM
Post by: Come Get Some on March 23, 2014, 07:15:18 PM
Post by: demontang on March 23, 2014, 07:57:43 PM
My insanity cpx at a full 30" length with a 32" ata I could not put my nose to string without form issues, I was still able to sight in at 80yrds with broadheads and even cut a fletch when I shot two arrows.
With my insanity cpxl set at 31" with a 35" ata I can get the string to touch my nose same with a elite pure 31" with a 35" ata string can touch my nose.
Its geometry the angle of the string your anchor point play a factor with how close or far away from your nose the string will be, some people shoot a longer draw length to get it to which can cause other issues.
Post by: RadSav on March 23, 2014, 10:30:19 PM
If not you will have a floating anchor. Not consistant unless you are not that picky.
How did Frank Pearson ever win all those championships with his floating anchor? How does Chuck Adams kill all those big animals at distance with his floating anchor? How does Dave Cousins manage to consistently win with the string half way up the left side of his nose while anchoring on the right side of his face? How is it that Dwight Schuh remains successful with that floating anchor of his?
While Reo Wilde, Chance Beaubouef, Levi Morgan and Jesse Broadwater are rewriting the target archery record books and each anchor the string to the tip of their nose. It doesn't mean you have a floating anchor just because you "do not" or "can not" touch the tip of your nose to the string. I would rather see a shooter use proper form and not touch the tip of their nose to the string than to use poor form and head position just to add a third point of reference to their anchor point. If you can do it with proper form and proper draw length that's fantastic. But if you can't? It's not the end of the world and you do not necessarily have a floating anchor! Head vertical and forearm inline with the arrow is much more important than a third point of reference - IMO.
Post by: Come Get Some on March 24, 2014, 04:39:42 AM
There are a few archers that are always an exception. Frank Pearson has benn a great ambassador to the sport. Back in the day Jake Jacobsen won Vegas with a recurve and a pin site. Some have an incredible amount of natural ability.Like Dave Cousins. When Frank Pearson set records there were not the caliber of shooters out there that there are now. It is possible to hunt and kill animals with bad form. Chuck adams is not reproducing the same shot in a target situation. He usually makes one shot to kill his animal. Dave cousins is a good example. I have shot with Dave dozens of times. He has over the years changed his form drastically and has anchored on the tip of his nose. He changes bows and form like underware, and Dwight Schuh is a not a vrey good shot. Again he can kill some animals but that is quite different then reproducing target scenerios. He and Larry Jones were at one time producing alot of videos. The shooting in them was also not good for the sport.We have entered contests with both of them and were shocked at how bad their shooting was.If not you will have a floating anchor. Not consistant unless you are not that picky.
How did Frank Pearson ever win all those championships with his floating anchor? How does Chuck Adams kill all those big animals at distance with his floating anchor? How does Dave Cousins manage to consistently win with the string half way up the left side of his nose while anchoring on the right side of his face? How is it that Dwight Schuh remains successful with that floating anchor of his?
While Reo Wilde, Chance Beaubouef, Levi Morgan and Jesse Broadwater are rewriting the target archery record books and each anchor the string to the tip of their nose. It doesn't mean you have a floating anchor just because you "do not" or "can not" touch the tip of your nose to the string. I would rather see a shooter use proper form and not touch the tip of their nose to the string than to use poor form and head position just to add a third point of reference to their anchor point. If you can do it with proper form and proper draw length that's fantastic. But if you can't? It's not the end of the world and you do not necessarily have a floating anchor! Head vertical and forearm inline with the arrow is much more important than a third point of reference - IMO.
I have shot on the bales in Vegas, Lousivile Kentucky, Pittsburg, Redding and many more national level events with Reo,Chance,Braden, Levi,Jesse,Dave and many more of the top RECORD SETTIN pro's. Exactly to my point. THEY ALL set world records with the string at the tip of there noses. The other examples you mention are bow hunters. Most, ok shots at best,but certanily not record setting pros who do it for a living. I believe IMO it is possible to acheive the proper form with bows that have a 30-32" ATA and a 30" draw length . I have done it for years and teach it still today. I shoot a Carbon Element at 32"ATA at 30.5" draw length and do not have any problem anchoring across the corner of my mouth and the tip of my nose. I could never have shot 300 60X or 300 30 X rounds back to back with a floating anchor. And I am pretty sure Frank Pearson or Dwight Shuh did not either. It is not an absolute necessity for most bow hunters who do not have the ability to produce that level of shooting but a solid anchor is the one of the major keys to consistancy Coupled with good form. Archery is about consistant shot reproduction. It all depends on your goals. IMO
Post by: RadSav on March 24, 2014, 06:11:51 AM
So because Frank Pearson set records when there were not the caliber of shooters there are today, Dwight Schuh is not a tournament caliber shooter and Chuck Adams makes only one shot to kill his animals means they all have floating anchors? That's hogwash! If you have proper form, draw length, a solid anchor point and you are using a peep sight correctly where the string goes across your face doesn't matter. That is unless it comes into contact with the face with enough force to effect timing and/or mechanics.
Post by: Come Get Some on March 24, 2014, 07:14:14 AM
Maybe we should clarify. As long as you have atleast 2 reference points for your anchor it is not floating. Reo did and does touch his nose with the string. Like I said some have an amazing amount of natural talent. Dave cousins touches his face in a different place because he shoots a very long draw length for his height. I do not know anyone else who could pull that off. What I was saying is it is more consistant to have multiple anchor points with the string and 99.99% of the top tear archers in the WORLD do exactly that. TOUCH THEIR NOSE
There is quite a difference between shooting animals and 3D targets than spots. Your bow can be out of tune,You can misjudge the yardage,Punch the trigger and flinch and you may still get a 10 on a 3D animal or even kill a real one. BUT when you are given the distance have to cut for slope and bubble for wind and make 2 or even 4 shots in the same target spot you need to be consistant. I have shot with the top pro's from all over the world. I have only seen 2 that do not touch their nose with the string. Dave Cousins and Tim Gillingham. It is acheivable with just about any compound bow and still have great form. The average Male archer is 5'-10 " tall. with the bows on the market today even the parallel limb bows it is very doable. It is better and more consistant why not set it up that way. Especially for the beginning archer?
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on March 24, 2014, 07:46:29 AM
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