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Big Game Hunting => Elk Hunting => Topic started by: WapitiTalk1 on March 27, 2014, 09:40:11 AM

Title: Shoot or No Shot?
Post by: WapitiTalk1 on March 27, 2014, 09:40:11 AM: 35 yards. You're in a natural ground blind at the edge of this meadow right at the bull's 6 oclock (you are straight back from the "." in 6.85 on the bottom of the pic. He walked out from your right and stopped where he currently stands to listen to another bull bugle up on the hillside at the bull's 3 oclock.

"Shoot or No Shot"? Place an X or dot where your arrow is heading to if you say shoot.
Title: Re: Shoot or No Shot?
Post by: h20hunter on March 27, 2014, 09:43:20 AM: Bow/Rifle/Muzzy?
Title: Re: Shoot or No Shot?
Post by: WapitiTalk1 on March 27, 2014, 09:47:42 AM: Quote from: h20hunter on March 27, 2014, 09:43:20 AM
Bow/Rifle/Muzzy?

Archery gear buddy.
Title: Re: Shoot or No Shot?
Post by: h20hunter on March 27, 2014, 09:53:04 AM: Archery I would have to wait. I'm not good enough to thread it and get both lungs. I'd be at draw and maybe give a mew so he turns more to look back.
Title: Re: Shoot or No Shot?
Post by: Broken Arrow on March 27, 2014, 09:55:51 AM: Given his body language and his interest in the other bugling bull, I wait at full draw until he turns to face that other bull, thus giving me a much better shot. If i was a betting man, I would think with a pretty high percentage, that he turns and does exactly what I am suggesting in the next few frames.
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Post by: jackelope on March 27, 2014, 10:02:49 AM: Low percentage shot. Wait for him to turn. He will.
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Post by: pianoman9701 on March 27, 2014, 10:20:32 AM: Looks like a pretty nice quartering away shot to me. Launch it at the rib cage right in front of the hind quarter. 35 yards no problem. 40+ I would wait for a broadside. Flame away.
Title: Re: Shoot or No Shot?
Post by: BULLBLASTER on March 27, 2014, 10:47:09 AM: Quote from: pianoman9701 on March 27, 2014, 10:20:32 AM
Looks like a pretty nice quartering away shot to me. Launch it at the rib cage right in front of the hind quarter. 35 yards no problem. 40+ I would wait for a braodside. Flame away.
that should be a dead elk... but the possibility is there for a single lung hit. But you'd get guts and liver amd a lung... that means dead elk but wait 4-6 hours to Track. Possibility of a heart shot too which means dead faster.
At the same time I am thinking that a elk stomach acts much like a straw bail when full... might hinder penetration.
This is a tough call... I have nothing against a guy who takes that shot but not sure what I would do... chances are he would turn right or let and offer a shot... but I'm the type of person who takes the very first shot opportunity.
Title: Re: Shoot or No Shot?
Post by: Jonathan_S on March 27, 2014, 10:52:31 AM: :yeah: I am a first shop opportunity kind of guy.

If it was only 35... he'd be bleeding.
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Post by: Rob on March 27, 2014, 11:25:19 AM: if your arrow can shoot clean through a bale of hay at 35 yards, go for it!
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Post by: Tbar on March 27, 2014, 01:15:21 PM: I say no shot. One step during Flight and you got a hind quarter. He's preoccupied so have patience and your shot will present itself.
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Post by: floatinghat on March 27, 2014, 01:29:42 PM: No shot, too great a risk for the loss of a quality animal.
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Post by: jrebel on March 27, 2014, 03:32:49 PM: Shoot....35 yards on a quartering animal is a high percentage shot. Matter of fact I would rather a quartering away shot than a quartering to shot. No guts involved.....at a minimum a double lung....and likely liver lung and possible even heart / major vessel.
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Post by: coachcw on March 27, 2014, 03:47:12 PM: that would be a dead elk. right between the last rib and the hip lowest third.
Title: Re: Shoot or No Shot?
Post by: Bullkllr on March 27, 2014, 03:51:45 PM: I've killed 2 deer that presented that shot. Both stumbled and were down within seconds. Sure elk is different, but also bigger target.

A well-placed arrow wrecks that bulls vitals. Narrower window than broadside, yes. Rather have a slightly different shot, yes. Take that one at 35 if that was it, yes.
Title: Re: Shoot or No Shot?
Post by: WapitiTalk1 on March 27, 2014, 04:02:21 PM: For those of you who say shoot, is this about right ;)
Title: Re: Shoot or No Shot?
Post by: Tbar on March 27, 2014, 04:36:33 PM: I agree but would like a little more angle. This shot even if it goes good can result in a single lung with little or no blood trail (although very fatal). It's a shot that can be made I think this shot results in many lost animals. :twocents:
Title: Re: Shoot or No Shot?
Post by: pianoman9701 on March 27, 2014, 04:59:38 PM: Quote from: Phantom16 on March 27, 2014, 04:02:21 PM
For those of you who say shoot, is this about right ;)
Yep
Title: Re: Shoot or No Shot?
Post by: washelkhunter on March 27, 2014, 05:02:09 PM: Quote from: Phantom16 on March 27, 2014, 04:02:21 PM
For those of you who say shoot, is this about right ;)

That's a clear gutshot. :bdid:
Title: Re: Shoot or No Shot?
Post by: kentrek on March 27, 2014, 05:17:24 PM: Quote from: Phantom16 on March 27, 2014, 04:02:21 PM
For those of you who say shoot, is this about right ;)

One inch to the left is where I'd have my pin :tup:

Shot a cow at a pretty similar angle ....she died really really fast..

In the thick stuff I frequent you don't get to wait for a second chance
Title: Re: Shoot or No Shot?
Post by: mossback91 on March 27, 2014, 05:25:16 PM: Shot a deer like that this year.....took out lung and heart!! made it 50 yards or so before he took a nap!
Title: Re: Shoot or No Shot?
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on March 27, 2014, 10:00:41 PM: Not really a low percentage shot at all ... :dunno: you could almost hit that bull in the butt and drive that arrow straight threw the lungs and maybe the heart .. :archery_smiley: All day long !
Title: Re: Shoot or No Shot?
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on March 27, 2014, 10:01:40 PM: Quote from: Phantom16 on March 27, 2014, 04:02:21 PM
For those of you who say shoot, is this about right ;)
10-4 on that ! :tup:
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Post by: elk247 on March 28, 2014, 02:40:32 AM: No way.
Title: Re: Shoot or No Shot?
Post by: RadSav on March 28, 2014, 02:54:30 AM: I'd be taking that shot so quick the arrow might get there the day before.

Liver, diaphragm, lungs and heart and he'll probably watch the arrow skipping on the ground in front of him. I doubt I would be blood trailing him more than 40 yards from impact! If it wasn't for the hill I'd expect to watch him go down.
Title: Re: Shoot or No Shot?
Post by: Jonathan_S on March 28, 2014, 08:02:05 AM: Glad to see RadSav respond on this, I was hoping you would :hello:

Phantom post some more :tup:
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Post by: whacker1 on March 28, 2014, 08:12:38 AM: I would take the shot for all the reasons radsav said
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Post by: boneaddict on March 28, 2014, 08:18:24 AM: He wouldn't know what hit him.
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Post by: bearpaw on March 28, 2014, 08:44:09 AM: That looks pretty killer to me!
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Post by: northwesthunter84 on March 28, 2014, 01:38:39 PM: I wouldn't even have to think about it. I would drop the hammer in a heartbeat. He might not even run more than a couple steps. Some people think that is a smaller kill area than broadside but actually the kill volume is much larger. I would put it right behind the last rib and out right in front of the offside shoulder. I had just a slightly different angle on my bull this year and he didn't go 80 yards across the clear cut. Mine was at 53 yards on the range finder. Complete pass through, never knew what hit him.
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Post by: D-Rock425 on March 28, 2014, 01:59:11 PM: I'd take that shot all day.
Title: Re: Shoot or No Shot?
Post by: Rainier10 on March 28, 2014, 03:24:28 PM: Quote from: Phantom16 on March 27, 2014, 04:02:21 PM
For those of you who say shoot, is this about right ;)
Pretty much,maybe to the left just a hair/1".
Title: Re: Shoot or No Shot?
Post by: dreamingbig on March 28, 2014, 04:57:48 PM: Yep, I would be shooting. A very lethal shot.

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