Post by: bigtex on March 27, 2014, 03:09:06 PM
Group Holds First Meeting April 9
OLYMPIA – Governor Jay Inslee’s new Blue Ribbon Task Force on Parks and Outdoor Recreation will hold its first meeting April 9.
The Governor called together leaders in outdoor recreation to develop an action plan and recommendations to manage, transform and leverage Washington’s outdoor recreation assets and state programs. In his executive order, he asked that the recommendations focus on increasing outdoor recreation activities and promoting recreation-related jobs and business. The task force must complete its work by September 19.
The 28-member task force includes 16 voting members who are citizens involved in outdoor recreation and recreation-related businesses, 8 state agency representatives and 4 legislators. See a list of members.
Outdoor recreation in Washington directly supports 227,000 jobs and generates $22.5 billion in annual spending on things like equipment, lodging and apparel.
“This isn’t just about Washington’s economy. This is also about a generational legacy in our state,” Inslee noted in a news release announcing his executive order. “We need to leave a Washington that allows every single one of us – young or old – to experience, play and relax in some of the most beautiful trails, parks and lakes in the world. I know we can find a way forward to making sure Washington’s beautiful outdoor spaces are promoted and preserved for generations to come.”
The April 9 meeting will run from 9 a.m. to 1 p.m., in Conference Rooms A, B, and C of the John A. Cherberg Building, on the Capitol Campus, 304 15th Ave. S.W., Olympia.
At this meeting, task force members will review existing research and learn about demographic and recreation participation trends and the economic benefits of recreation. They also will get an overview of state recreation programs and hear presentations from local parks and federal recreation programs. See agenda.
http://www.rco.wa.gov/doc_pages/press/2014/124.shtml (http://www.rco.wa.gov/doc_pages/press/2014/124.shtml)
Post by: bigtex on March 27, 2014, 03:10:09 PM
Barb Chamberlain, Co-chair Executive Director Washington Bikes
Doug Walker, Co-chair Chief Executive Officer WRQ and The Wilderness Society
Marc Berejka Director Government and Community Affairs REI
Joshua Brandon Military Organizer Sierra Club Outdoors
Russ Cahill Retired Washington and California State Parks Manager
Dale Denney Owner and Outfitter Bearpaw Outfitters
Patty Graf-Hoke Executive Director Kitsap Peninsula Convention and Visitor's Bureau
George Harris Chief Executive Officer Northwest Marine Trade Association
Connor Inslee Outdoors for All
Ben Klasky Chief Executive Officer Islandwood
Noah McCord Leader Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife Youth Council
Dan Nordstrom Chief Executive Officer Outdoor Research
Spencer Olson Communications Hub Director Fuse
Tom Reeve Chair Trust for Public Land
Shiloh Schauer Executive Director Wenatchee Valley Chamber of Commerce
Louise Stanton-Masten Executive Director Washington Tourism Alliance
AGENCY MEMBERS (NON-VOTING)
Allyson Brooks Director Archeology and Historic Preservation
Jim Cahill Senior Budget Analyst Office of Financial Management
Kaleen Cottingham Director Recreation and Conservation Office
Nick Demerice Director, External Affairs Department of Commerce
Brock Milliern Recreation Manager Department of Natural Resources
Rodger Schmitt Commissioner Washington State Parks and Recreation Commission
Joe Stohr Deputy Director Department of Fish and Wildlife
Rebecca Wallace Program Supervisor, Agriculture Office of the Superintendent of Public Instruction
LEGISLATIVE MEMBERS (NON-VOTING)
The Honorable Vincent Buys Representative Republican Caucus
The Honorable Linda Parlette Senator Republican Caucus
The Honorable Kevin Ranker Senator Democratic Caucus
The Honorable Steve Tharinger Representative Democratic Caucus
Post by: Fl0und3rz on March 27, 2014, 03:11:41 PM
Post by: jackelope on March 27, 2014, 03:12:10 PM
Don't kick the crap out of the REI guy.
:chuckle:
Post by: jackmaster on March 27, 2014, 03:14:54 PM
Post by: Broken Arrow on March 27, 2014, 03:19:29 PM
Post by: WSU on March 27, 2014, 03:21:23 PM
Post by: Bean Counter on March 27, 2014, 03:23:42 PM
Post by: buckfvr on March 27, 2014, 03:25:47 PM
Post by: huntnphool on March 27, 2014, 03:30:19 PM
Post by: Wacenturion on March 27, 2014, 03:42:50 PM
Step 1 - Allocate as much of our fisheries resources to recreational fishing as possible. And, congrats Bearpaw! Looks like you will be outnumbered by the non-hunting representatives.
First thing I noticed. Got to love bureaucrats and their committees to get their own end result....sorry to be a pessimist. :twocents:
Post by: NoBark on March 27, 2014, 03:51:33 PM
Post by: singleshot12 on March 27, 2014, 03:58:54 PM
Post by: Wacenturion on March 27, 2014, 04:08:06 PM
Would be much more appropriate to appoint members based on the revenue source. You think that might change the member landscape. My guess would be that there would be quite a few more hunting and fishing members representing their constituents. Sorry to be unimpressed, but it's just how government gets buy in's for their agenda. WDFW does it all the time. :twocents:
But hey, if anyone can probably make some headway, I'm sure it's Dale. Good luck.
Post by: Jonathan_S on March 27, 2014, 04:08:52 PM
Post by: NoBark on March 27, 2014, 04:11:27 PM
"Vincent,
I am glad to see that you are on this task force. As an avid outdoorsman, I know you realize that hunter's and fishermen have long carried the financial burden of providing funding for virtually all other users of the great outdoors in this state. I would like to encourage you to look up Dale Denny, owner of Bearpaw outfitters. He is a member of the task force and a wealth of knowledge and information regarding the former, current and potential future uses of the great outdoor resources of this state. Of all the members on the task force, he will be speaking for perhaps the greatest number and definantly the most important financial stakeholder during these discussions.
I hope to see some positive improvement in not only the use of our resource, but also in it's funding model.
Feel free to call and chat about this if you have the time or inclination. I, and many outdoorsmen will be watching the progress of the task force. "
Good Luck, Dale
Post by: NoBark on March 27, 2014, 04:14:02 PM
Post by: grundy53 on March 27, 2014, 04:24:17 PM
:yeah: first thing I noticed too....Step 1 - Allocate as much of our fisheries resources to recreational fishing as possible. And, congrats Bearpaw! Looks like you will be outnumbered by the non-hunting representatives.
First thing I noticed. Got to love bureaucrats and their committees to get their own end result....sorry to be a pessimist. :twocents:
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Post by: 6x6in6 on March 27, 2014, 04:25:31 PM
Don't let Ranker wear you down with his wolf lovin'. :chuckle:
Post by: KFhunter on March 27, 2014, 04:35:54 PM
Dang Dale, I wish you best luck but this "task farce" is really stacked to the left :'(
Post by: Bean Counter on March 27, 2014, 04:40:02 PM
Post by: KFhunter on March 27, 2014, 04:45:48 PM
I have a lot of confidence in Dale. Judging from the big ship he steers that is this forum its clear he can work with all kinds of fruitcakes and wing nuts and still get the job done :chuckle:
I'm afraid he might just be fodder to "legitimize" this task farce, he'll do us proud of that I have no doubt; but the vast majority of members' backgrounds speak to the direction this thing is most likely heading.
Post by: jackmaster on March 27, 2014, 05:05:59 PM
Post by: Northway on March 27, 2014, 05:17:13 PM
I have a lot of confidence in Dale. Judging from the big ship he steers that is this forum its clear he can work with all kinds of fruitcakes and wing nuts and still get the job done :chuckle:
I'm afraid he might just be fodder to "legitimize" this task farce, he'll do us proud of that I have no doubt; but the vast majority of members' backgrounds speak to the direction this thing is most likely heading.
With a task force that large I'd be bored if there weren't a couple of fringe personalities.
Post by: KFhunter on March 27, 2014, 05:21:57 PM
I have a lot of confidence in Dale. Judging from the big ship he steers that is this forum its clear he can work with all kinds of fruitcakes and wing nuts and still get the job done :chuckle:
I'm afraid he might just be fodder to "legitimize" this task farce, he'll do us proud of that I have no doubt; but the vast majority of members' backgrounds speak to the direction this thing is most likely heading.
With a task force that large I'd be bored if there weren't a couple of fringe personalities.
One reason I love HW so much ;)
Post by: YJ Guide Service on March 27, 2014, 05:26:25 PM
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on March 27, 2014, 05:55:11 PM
I don't follow that line of thinking though and I trust you to look at all sides of the issues before you and listen to all the different points of view and then make decisions based on what is in the best interest of everyone in the State, not just us hunters and fishermen.
I don't envy you though. No matter what you do, you'll be taking heat because you can't satisfy everyone all the time.
Good Luck!
Post by: jeffro on March 27, 2014, 06:02:57 PM
CITIZEN MEMBERS (VOTING)Anyone else notice his son made the panel?
Barb Chamberlain, Co-chair Executive Director Washington Bikes
Doug Walker, Co-chair Chief Executive Officer WRQ and The Wilderness Society
Marc Berejka Director Government and Community Affairs REI
Joshua Brandon Military Organizer Sierra Club Outdoors
Russ Cahill Retired Washington and California State Parks Manager
Dale Denney Owner and Outfitter Bearpaw Outfitters
Patty Graf-Hoke Executive Director Kitsap Peninsula Convention and Visitor's Bureau
George Harris Chief Executive Officer Northwest Marine Trade Association
Connor Inslee Outdoors for All
Ben Klasky Chief Executive Officer Islandwood
Noah McCord Leader Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife Youth Council
Dan Nordstrom Chief Executive Officer Outdoor Research
Spencer Olson Communications Hub Director Fuse
Tom Reeve Chair Trust for Public Land
Shiloh Schauer Executive Director Wenatchee Valley Chamber of Commerce
Louise Stanton-Masten Executive Director Washington Tourism Alliance
AGENCY MEMBERS (NON-VOTING)
Allyson Brooks Director Archeology and Historic Preservation
Jim Cahill Senior Budget Analyst Office of Financial Management
Kaleen Cottingham Director Recreation and Conservation Office
Nick Demerice Director, External Affairs Department of Commerce
Brock Milliern Recreation Manager Department of Natural Resources
Rodger Schmitt Commissioner Washington State Parks and Recreation Commission
Joe Stohr Deputy Director Department of Fish and Wildlife
Rebecca Wallace Program Supervisor, Agriculture Office of the Superintendent of Public Instruction
LEGISLATIVE MEMBERS (NON-VOTING)
The Honorable Vincent Buys Representative Republican Caucus
The Honorable Linda Parlette Senator Republican Caucus
The Honorable Kevin Ranker Senator Democratic Caucus
The Honorable Steve Tharinger Representative Democratic Caucus
Post by: RadSav on March 27, 2014, 06:04:10 PM
Remember to Smile on the outside...while you scream on the inside!
Post by: CAMPMEAT on March 27, 2014, 06:38:04 PM
Post by: Bob33 on March 27, 2014, 06:43:54 PM
Post by: billythekidrock on March 27, 2014, 06:48:49 PM
Post by: Wea300mag on March 27, 2014, 06:57:57 PM
I'm also curious as to what Connor Inslee has for qualifications for this task force.
Post by: janttihunter on March 27, 2014, 07:00:05 PM
Post by: buckfvr on March 27, 2014, 07:00:36 PM
Thanks for representing Dale. :tup:
I'm also curious as to what Connor Inslee has for qualifications for this task force.
Loyalty.............
Post by: TheHunt on March 27, 2014, 07:17:13 PM
Congrats Dale... Make the most of it.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on March 27, 2014, 07:18:08 PM
Thanks for representing Dale. :tup:
I'm also curious as to what Connor Inslee has for qualifications for this task force.
Connor Inslee is a kayaker and a ski bum from what his bio says on Outdoors for All.
Post by: Curly on March 27, 2014, 07:22:31 PM
Good luck Dale. Hope you have fun.
Post by: GregE on March 27, 2014, 07:28:07 PM
Here's what I told my rep.
"Vincent,
I am glad to see that you are on this task force. As an avid outdoorsman, I know you realize that hunter's and fishermen have long carried the financial burden of providing funding for virtually all other users of the great outdoors in this state. I would like to encourage you to look up Dale Denny, owner of Bearpaw outfitters. He is a member of the task force and a wealth of knowledge and information regarding the former, current and potential future uses of the great outdoor resources of this state. Of all the members on the task force, he will be speaking for perhaps the greatest number and definantly the most important financial stakeholder during these discussions.
I hope to see some positive improvement in not only the use of our resource, but also in it's funding model.
Feel free to call and chat about this if you have the time or inclination. I, and many outdoorsmen will be watching the progress of the task force. "
Good Luck, Dale
Well written Jim!!
Post by: Skyvalhunter on March 27, 2014, 07:56:32 PM
Post by: ICEMAN on March 27, 2014, 09:35:31 PM
Stick to your gut and do what you know is right!
Post by: timberfaller on March 27, 2014, 10:15:18 PM
He isn't one of those who wanted to remove the dam at Lake Chelan so the gorge could be kayaked!??
Post by: Special T on March 27, 2014, 10:18:48 PM
The reality is that ALL of us that go to meeting and such and report to everyone... OUR failing is that we are not organized... so let this forum be the tool we use to spread the word...
Post by: Duffer on March 27, 2014, 10:54:19 PM
As an aside: I would not expect Dale to comment much on this program. I suspect that meeting minutes will be available and official statements may be made thru some spokesman. We all feel that we have 'an inside track' because of our relationships with Dale, but besides adding this to his already overflowing plate of activities (whereas he won't have time with travel and running a business to boot) it would/could undermine his respect and ability to negotiate on this panel by coming here and announcing his personal feelings toward the process or its members.
I trust Dale to represent us and I know he reflects our passion for the sport.
I patiently (or impatiently!) await Official News as this program progresses.
We are, of course, welcome to write & email our views to any or all of the members of this task force. :tup:
Welcome to the world of politics my friend! ;)
Post by: bobcat on March 27, 2014, 11:08:50 PM
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Post by: Elkaholic daWg on March 28, 2014, 05:28:30 AM
Dale's going to be like that kid in school that always sat at the lunch table by himself, while all the other kids pointed and whispered about him.
Dang Dale, I wish you best luck but this "task farce" is really stacked to the left :'(
They got one of/if not of our best! Congrats on the appointment to what seems to be an agenda driven"feelgood" committee. Go get 'em Dale!
Post by: stuckalot on March 28, 2014, 06:17:12 AM
Post by: kodiak 907 on March 28, 2014, 07:01:18 AM
Ben Klasky and Conner Inslee.... two pieces of work right there. Klasky is a part of Islandwood, real crazy environmental "learning facility" on Bainbridge Island, his views on wildlife conservation are scary. Conner Inslee (Jay's son) has about fried every brain cell possible and has no free thinking abilities, just a puppet for Jay. Best of luck Dale but this deck was stacked from the beginning.:yeah:
Post by: bearpaw on March 28, 2014, 07:12:48 AM
It's an honor to be asked by Governor Inslee to participate on this task force and I sincerely hope we'll develop greater opportunities for hunters, fishers, and other recreationists while at the same time conserving Washington's amazing resources for future generations.
The way I understand it, the task force will hold meetings for public input and hold meetings in Olympia to consider options for executing Governor Inslee's Executive Order. Because the governor recognized hunting, fishing, camping, off-roading, horseback riding, and other outdoor activities important to so many of us that are not always represented in Olympia, I am pleased to be invited to participate on this task force and will do my best to use this opportunity to benefit all types of outdoor recreationists and businesses. To my knowledge the goal is to gather input to help with recommendations, to that end I hope to use this forum as a vehicle for gathering input from sports men & women around the state. Once I attend the first meeting I'm sure I'll know the parameters I'm expected to act within. If acceptable, I will use the forum to gather input.
I underlined the areas of the order that most influenced my decision to accept the appointment.
http://www.rco.wa.gov/documents/ORTF/ExecOrder14-01.pdf (http://www.rco.wa.gov/documents/ORTF/ExecOrder14-01.pdf)
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EXECUTIVE ORDER 14-01
ESTABLISHING A BLUE RIBBON TASK FORCE TO DEVELOP A TRANSFORMATION STRATEGY FOR OUTDOOR RECREATION IN WASHINGTON STATE
WHEREAS, we want our children to experience, enjoy, learn about, and become lifetime stewards of Washington’s magnificent natural resources; and
WHEREAS, maintaining access to, and facilities in, our state parks and state recreation lands managed by the departments of Fish and Wildlife and Natural Resources, as well as the entire network of local, state, federal, and private lands that make Washington an outdoor recreation mecca important to the state’s citizens and the tourism industry; and
WHEREAS, Washington’s stunning parks, outdoor recreation opportunities, and quality of life are an important incentive for attracting new businesses and retaining all types of employers to the state; and
WHEREAS, outdoor recreation activities in Washington directly support 227,000 jobs and consumers spend $22.5 billion on outdoor recreation equipment, apparel, lodging, and other services, generating $1.6 billion in state and local tax revenue; and
WHEREAS, outdoor recreation such as camping, hunting, fishing, wildlife viewing, boating, hiking, off-roading, cross-country and downhill skiing, mountain and road biking, scuba diving, surfing, horseback riding, and more strengthen the social and cultural fabric of communities and provide important and valuable contributions to urban and especially rural economies across the state; and
WHEREAS, Washington State Parks, the Department of Fish and Wildlife, and the Department of Natural Resources have seen significant reductions in funding to operate, maintain, and make capital investments in campgrounds, boat launches, and trails, resulting in a continuing maintenance backlog; and public lands managed by federal and local agencies, including the United State Forest Service, the United States Fish and Wildlife Service, and the National Parks Service face similar operating, maintenance, and capital investment backlogs;
WHEREAS, the state lacks strategies for transforming its approach to outdoor recreation to ensure that this sector is properly recognized as contributing to the economy, creating and sustaining jobs, improving public health, and immeasurably improving the quality of life that Washingtonians cherish;
NOW THEREFORE, I, Jay Inslee, Governor of the state of Washington, do hereby create the Washington Blue Ribbon Task Force on Parks and Outdoor Recreation.
The Task Force shall use a holistic strategy to develop an action plan and issue recommendations to manage, transform, better leverage, or develop Washington’s outdoor recreation assets and state programs to increase outdoor recreation activities as well as promote the jobs and businesses associated with outdoor recreation. The strategy, action plan, and recommendations shall:
1. Support and expand outdoor recreation jobs, businesses, and tourism across the state;
2. Promote and expand recreational fishing and hunting opportunities as a way of advancing local economies;
3. Promote outdoor recreation experiences and increase environmental awareness for youth, families, and adults;
4. Support Washington-based businesses’ use of Washington’s quality of life and outdoor recreation experiences in recruiting and retaining talented employees as well as in attracting new businesses to the state;
5. Develop long-term sustainable funding sources for Washington State Parks and other outdoor recreation lands and infrastructure managed by the departments of Fish and Wildlife and Natural Resources.
This action plan shall also include recommendations for establishing an organizational mechanism to oversee implementation of the action plan and for promoting long-term outdoor recreation. The Governor shall appoint fifteen (15) voting members to the Task Force, representing a diverse and statewide profile of both the public and private sectors from the following stakeholder groups:
1. Outdoor Recreation Business
2. Tourism
3. Environmental Organizations/Environmental Education
4. Sportsmen/Sportswomen
5. Environmental Education
6. General Business
7. Local and Federal Recreation Agencies
8. Outdoor Recreation Participants
The following state agencies shall designate representatives to participate as nonvoting members:
1. Department of Fish and Wildlife
2. Department of Natural Resources
3. State Parks and Recreation Commission
4. Recreation and Conservation Office
5. Department of Commerce
6. Office of Superintendent of Public Instruction
7. Office of Archeology and Historic Preservation
8. Office of Financial Management
The Governor shall also invite one member from each of the two largest caucuses of the Senate and one member from each of the two largest caucuses of the House of Representatives to participate as nonvoting members.
The Governor shall designate one of the voting members as the chair of the Task Force. Non-governmental members of the Task Force may be reimbursed for travel and meeting expenses at the discretion of the Task Force. The Recreation and Conservation Office shall provide staff support and administer all contracts and expenses for the Task Force.
The Task Force is encouraged to hold public meetings across the state to solicit input and collect information on regional priorities and suggestions for state action.
The Task Force shall complete its draft plan and recommendation by September 1, 2014. The Task Force shall complete its final plan and recommendations to the Governor and the Legislature by September 19, 2014.
The Task Force shall expire on December 31, 2014.
This executive order shall take effect immediately.
Signed and sealed with the official seal of the state of Washington on this 19th day of February, 2014, at Olympia, Washington.
Post by: motg9_6 on March 28, 2014, 07:24:00 AM
Post by: WSU on March 28, 2014, 07:33:45 AM
Here is a link on WDFW's website: http://www.wdfw.wa.gov/publications/pub.php?id=00464 (http://www.wdfw.wa.gov/publications/pub.php?id=00464)
Post by: dfresh96 on March 28, 2014, 07:38:52 AM
Post by: bearpaw on March 28, 2014, 07:44:38 AM
Dale - Please look at and distribute Gregoire's study regarding the economic value of recreational fishing versus commercial fishing. It is enlightening.
I've heard that before, do you have a link?
Post by: WSU on March 28, 2014, 07:45:52 AM
Dale - Please look at and distribute Gregoire's study regarding the economic value of recreational fishing versus commercial fishing. It is enlightening.
I've heard that before, do you have a link?
I just added it to my post. You were too quick for me! Here it is again: http://www.wdfw.wa.gov/publications/pub.php?id=00464 (http://www.wdfw.wa.gov/publications/pub.php?id=00464)
Post by: pianoman9701 on March 28, 2014, 07:54:54 AM
Post by: bearpaw on March 28, 2014, 08:00:32 AM
Dale - Please look at and distribute Gregoire's study regarding the economic value of recreational fishing versus commercial fishing. It is enlightening.
I've heard that before, do you have a link?
I just added it to my post. You were too quick for me! Here it is again: http://www.wdfw.wa.gov/publications/pub.php?id=00464 (http://www.wdfw.wa.gov/publications/pub.php?id=00464)
Great info, thanks.
I know there is national data, but is there any info available on the economic value of hunting in WA?
Post by: WSU on March 28, 2014, 08:27:05 AM
Dale - Please look at and distribute Gregoire's study regarding the economic value of recreational fishing versus commercial fishing. It is enlightening.
I've heard that before, do you have a link?
I just added it to my post. You were too quick for me! Here it is again: http://www.wdfw.wa.gov/publications/pub.php?id=00464 (http://www.wdfw.wa.gov/publications/pub.php?id=00464)
Great info, thanks.
I know there is national data, but is there any info available on the economic value of hunting in WA?
I'm not aware of any but it may exist. If it doesn't exist, perhaps the task force could recommend that the governor obtain one?
Post by: flatbkman on March 28, 2014, 08:37:08 AM
Post by: baldopepper on March 28, 2014, 08:38:31 AM
Post by: JJD on March 28, 2014, 08:44:36 AM
Just like survival in the outdoors, if you are prepared, you will make it through, little worse for the wear.
As Baldopepper suggests, watch your 6.
Post by: rtspring on March 28, 2014, 08:47:38 AM
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on March 28, 2014, 01:49:18 PM
Dale - Please look at and distribute Gregoire's study regarding the economic value of recreational fishing versus commercial fishing. It is enlightening.
Here is a link on WDFW's website: http://www.wdfw.wa.gov/publications/pub.php?id=00464 (http://www.wdfw.wa.gov/publications/pub.php?id=00464)
You mean the study that starts out saying this?
"Although the study estimates net economic values and economic impacts of both commercial and recreational fisheries, it is not sufficiently comprehensive and the values are not estimated with adequate precision to warrant a comparative analysis of the two fisheries."
This is because when analyzing sports fishing, every penny that could be imagined to possibly relate to fishing is used such as gas for the drive to the fishing grounds, clothes and gear used while fishing, motel and campground costs, boats, etc.
While in the commercial fisheries, the only value attributed to the fishery is grounds price. The boats and gear used, the fuel burnt, the processing and shipping jobs created, the fish market jobs, the repair jobs, the boat building and repair jobs, marketing/advertizing jobs, travel costs, packaging and shipping containers, and many many more are left out of the equation. Also, the value to the public who likes to eat fish, but don't care to or can't afford to go fishing or just find it more convenient to buy their fish at a market is left out.
There has never been a REAL comparison done between sport and commercial fish values. There have only been studies that reach the conclusion that was desired before the study began.
Post by: buckfvr on March 28, 2014, 04:54:49 PM
Post by: sakoshooter on March 29, 2014, 09:42:48 PM