Post by: yorketransport on March 29, 2014, 07:02:26 PM
At this point there aren't that many options which will really out class this unit on a consistent basis. I'm almost to the point of picking up a Vectronix PLRF 10 and being done with it. The goal is a unit that will range beyond 1500 yard on any target.
Anybody have any other suggestions?
Andrew
Post by: TheHunt on March 29, 2014, 07:08:56 PM
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Post by: 6x6in6 on March 29, 2014, 07:19:36 PM
I love my Leica 1600.:yeah:
Post by: coop2424 on March 29, 2014, 07:36:12 PM
Post by: dontgetcrabs on March 29, 2014, 07:45:30 PM
Post by: Elknut1 on March 29, 2014, 08:14:45 PM
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Post by: Forks on March 30, 2014, 10:43:53 AM
Leica 1600, but at those distances you might need a Vectronix. I've ranged reflective objects at over2000 yards with the Leica, but have also been unable to range some objects under less than optimal conditions at 600.This statement gets my vote.
Post by: yorketransport on March 30, 2014, 04:54:39 PM
Leica 1600, but at those distances you might need a Vectronix. I've ranged reflective objects at over2000 yards with the Leica, but have also been unable to range some objects under less than optimal conditions at 600.
This is pretty much where I'm at right now. The Leica, Zeiss and Swaro will make hits past 1000 (and sometimes much further) under the right conditions, but so will the TruPulse that we have. It seems like the next practical step up is the Vectronix unit. I'm all for buying the Leica, but not to only gain 200 yards over what we have.
If I were looking for a unit to use while hunting, the Leica would be may choice without a doubt. It's the perfect combination of size, weight, and range for hunting. Since this is much more for just recreational shooting I'm not worried as much about the size or weight. While a reliable 1000 yard unit is more than adequate for any hunting I'd do, it comes up a little short for just plinking.
Andrew
Post by: jay.sharkbait on March 30, 2014, 05:33:56 PM
Post by: Kazekurt on March 30, 2014, 05:51:59 PM
Post by: yorketransport on March 30, 2014, 06:09:28 PM
PLRF 15cNow you're just getting crazy! I can rationalize $2000, but $4000 is where I draw the line! :chuckle:
I like my Leica 1600 but for what you're wanting go with the G7 or veltronix. The only downside is you jump from $800(Leica)to $1600 for the G7 and I think the veltronix is even worse. Are they still made in Switzerland?I'd rather go with the Vectronix than the G7. The Terrapin is only about $300 more than the G7 and it seems like the Terrapin will consistently out range the G7 under similar conditions.
Post by: Kazekurt on March 30, 2014, 09:20:30 PM
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Post by: MtnMuley on March 31, 2014, 10:59:58 AM
The vectronix is about the only unit do what you are looking for. The others will work under perfect conditions, but either the Terrapin or PLRF10 will range in most anything. The only thing mine won't get through is thick fog. Snow, rain, bright sunshine has not been a problem.:yeah:
I own the Leica 1600 and it's not all that great. Fit the budget. I've used several G7's, and they are much nicer. The Vectronix is the one, but out of my price range for the uses I put them to.
Post by: yorketransport on March 31, 2014, 07:01:45 PM
Then I'm going to charge the guys I go shooting with a $5 per scan "rental" fee to use it. It sounds like a crazy idea until I'm making hits at 1300 yards and they can't come close because they don't know how far it actually is. Then that $5 won't seem so bad!
And more realistically, I'll sell one of my Strikers that I don't shoot to finance part of it. I don't really need 4 different bolt action pistols, and I never shoot the 300 RUM anyways! :chuckle:
Andrew
Post by: Jamieb on April 06, 2014, 06:22:08 PM
If I ever feel the need to upgrade it would be to a vectornox.
Post by: Bofire on April 08, 2014, 10:38:19 AM
you can find one here make sure you get the lazer!! :chuckle:
Carl
Post by: yorketransport on April 13, 2014, 11:36:53 AM
Sooooooo, anybody want to buy a gun to fund my range finder purchase? :chuckle:
Post by: higunner on April 16, 2014, 06:05:19 PM
Post by: whacker1 on April 16, 2014, 07:41:36 PM
Well, I ordered the Terrapin today. They are being discontinued, so once they're out of stock they're gone! I got 2 email responses from different companies telling me that if I find one in stock anywhere to just buy it!
Sooooooo, anybody want to buy a gun to fund my range finder purchase? :chuckle:
what sort of guns are you looking to part with :chuckle:
Post by: dontgetcrabs on April 16, 2014, 07:51:47 PM
Leica Vector.. If you can see it, you can range it. I've ranged things at 15,000+ yards. Military technology, very hard to find.
That's farther than I can see. :yike: :chuckle:
Post by: yorketransport on April 16, 2014, 08:25:26 PM
Leica Vector.. If you can see it, you can range it. I've ranged things at 15,000+ yards. Military technology, very hard to find.
These are very similar to the Vectronix Vectors aren't they? If fact I believe that the Vectronix is a Leica product. $20,000 is a bit out of my range. I'd have to sell my truck to buy that one. :chuckle:
Well, I ordered the Terrapin today. They are being discontinued, so once they're out of stock they're gone! I got 2 email responses from different companies telling me that if I find one in stock anywhere to just buy it!
Sooooooo, anybody want to buy a gun to fund my range finder purchase? :chuckle:
what sort of guns are you looking to part with :chuckle:
My Striker in 300 RUM is likely the one on the chopping block. I have 4 bolt action pistols and the 300 RUM just doesn't really fill a need. I have the 338/375 Ruger for hunting any critter at pretty much any range, 284 for long range shooting or hunting medium sized game, and the 6mm BR for mid range target work. Who would have guessed that a pistol in 300 RUM wouldn't be the most practical gun in the safe? :chuckle:
Post by: whacker1 on April 17, 2014, 10:28:30 AM
Leica Vector.. If you can see it, you can range it. I've ranged things at 15,000+ yards. Military technology, very hard to find.
These are very similar to the Vectronix Vectors aren't they? If fact I believe that the Vectronix is a Leica product. $20,000 is a bit out of my range. I'd have to sell my truck to buy that one. :chuckle:Well, I ordered the Terrapin today. They are being discontinued, so once they're out of stock they're gone! I got 2 email responses from different companies telling me that if I find one in stock anywhere to just buy it!
Sooooooo, anybody want to buy a gun to fund my range finder purchase? :chuckle:
what sort of guns are you looking to part with :chuckle:
My Striker in 300 RUM is likely the one on the chopping block. I have 4 bolt action pistols and the 300 RUM just doesn't really fill a need. I have the 338/375 Ruger for hunting any critter at pretty much any range, 284 for long range shooting or hunting medium sized game, and the 6mm BR for mid range target work. Who would have guessed that a pistol in 300 RUM wouldn't be the most practical gun in the safe? :chuckle:
Sadly those aren't in my high demand list, but thank you for sharing. Once you obtain the range finder, it would be interesting to pair a couple up to see how well the next tier down performs. New Leica 1600, Swaro, Zeiss, etc.
I would love to know where the line is drawn before moving to the next level.
Post by: birddogdad on June 26, 2014, 08:31:12 AM
http://www.gseven.com/products/G7-BR2 (http://www.gseven.com/products/G7-BR2)
i have one of these, programable for several profiles, gathers all parameters save wind which you can manual imput or (IMO) should dope seperately anyway. VERY spendy is only downside...
Post by: b23 on June 26, 2014, 02:28:36 PM
Did you get your Terrapin yet and if so, how do you like it? I'll go wayyyy out on a limb and say you're probably AMAZED at what they are capable of. :tup:
Two grand is certainly nothing to be taken lightly but when it comes to rangefinders that are capable of above and beyond, nothing really compares to the Terrapin, except a bigger badder better Vectronix rangefinder.
I know people that have the more expensive plrf 10, that either wish they had the Terrapin or sold their plrf10's and bought the Terrapin because the Terrapin would outrange their 10's. Maybe Vectronix did a little to good of a job with the Terrapin and it was hurting the sales of their much more expensive 10's and 15's which lead to them discontinuing the Terrapin.
My pops bought a G7 a few months ago and I begged him to get the Terrapin instead but he was enticed by the bells and whistles of the G7 and bought it instead. Certainly nothing wrong with the G7, it's a great unit and for strictly hunting purposes, it likely, could be argued it's the better choice but as a rangefinder, the Terrapin is capable of double the distance.
Post by: yorketransport on June 26, 2014, 08:19:04 PM
We can get an average max range of just over 2500 yards in mid day conditions. Under ideal conditions 3500 is pretty easy. The best reading I've had so far has been over 4300 yards! :tup: The worst performance it's given was on a foggy, misty day. Even then we were getting over 1500 yards.
I can't think of any reason I would have needed the plrf 10 other than just to say that I have it. The Terrapin will range beyond the capabilities of anything I will likely own. Besides, it's hard enough to find a spot to shoot 1500 yards let alone 2500 that the Terrapin will range.
The only real issue I have with it are the 5x magnification. 10x would have been better, just so that it matches a pair of binos. The other problem is that everybody wants to borrow it all the time! I'm thinking of offering ranging services for a small fee. :chuckle:
Andrew
Post by: b23 on June 27, 2014, 01:23:57 AM
I've heard of people making some sort of adapter and using the Swaro doubler on them. I know Shawn Carlock w/Defensive Edge made an adapter so he could put the Swaro Doubler on his plrf10.
Like I said earlier, my dad recently bought a G7 and there is things it can do that he Terrapin can not but considering the range and the fact that it can VERY accurately range at crazy far distances, I think he would have gotten more enjoyment from the Shooter App. on his IPhone and the Terrapin. Heck, half the fun of having a Terrapin is seeing how far they will range stuff. ;)
Post by: Come Get Some on June 27, 2014, 05:34:58 AM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on June 27, 2014, 12:32:39 PM
Post by: yorketransport on June 27, 2014, 08:08:54 PM
I talked to euro optics today and they said they are discounting the Terrapin. I don't know why it sounds like a great range finder.
I talked to them when I bought mine. They were the people who told me to buy the first one I could find in stock. It sounds like Vectronix is just phasing out the Terrapin (plrf 05) in favor of the higher powered plrf 10.
If anyone is looking for a Terrapin, Potomac River Group is where I got mine. It was about $2K shipped (priority over night I might add :tup:) They're pricey to say the least, but nothing else compares as far as pure ranging ability until you get into the $4K price range. If don't need 1500+ yard ranging capabilities then there are others that will work well in addition to providing angle solutions and true ballistic range
Post by: carpsniperg2 on June 27, 2014, 08:45:33 PM
Post by: Bob33 on June 30, 2014, 06:45:16 AM
http://precisionrifleblog.com/tag/vectronix-terrapin/ (http://precisionrifleblog.com/tag/vectronix-terrapin/)
Post by: birddogdad on August 07, 2014, 07:35:51 AM
I talked to euro optics today and they said they are discounting the Terrapin. I don't know why it sounds like a great range finder.
I talked to them when I bought mine. They were the people who told me to buy the first one I could find in stock. It sounds like Vectronix is just phasing out the Terrapin (plrf 05) in favor of the higher powered plrf 10.
If anyone is looking for a Terrapin, Potomac River Group is where I got mine. It was about $2K shipped (priority over night I might add :tup:) They're pricey to say the least, but nothing else compares as far as pure ranging ability until you get into the $4K price range. If don't need 1500+ yard ranging capabilities then there are others that will work well in addition to providing angle solutions and true ballistic range
for just range, these sound great but if you want more, one that calculates TBR or BDC eliminates alot of other very critical calculations at extreme range. some will tell you wind hold over based on all your actual conditions with you just needing to know the wind speed. at 1000 yds, this can result in the difference right or left in Minutes OA.
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Post by: xXLojackXx on November 24, 2014, 11:41:19 AM
Post by: Magnum_Willys on November 24, 2014, 12:25:00 PM
Dimensions: 5.09"x4.45"x2.10"
Weight: 14.3 oz
Functional Range: 1500 Yards
Max Range: 2000 Yards
Max Ballistic Compensation: 1400 Yards
Magnification: 7X
Beam Divergence: 2X4 Mrad
Targeting Modes: Near, Far, Continuous
Display: Backlight LED
Battery: CR 123
Accessories: Case, Neck Strap
Owners Manual: Download, CD, Printed
$1400.
Sounds like a winner if it ranges consistently up to 1500 yards.
Reviews sound like it does.
Post by: Bob33 on November 24, 2014, 12:57:45 PM
If you want something further than 1500 yards consistently, you need the Vectronix or something similar.
Post by: xXLojackXx on November 24, 2014, 05:31:34 PM
$1400 for 1500 yards isn't a great deal. My $800 Leica will do 1500 yards (it's done over 2000 on occasion.)
If you want something further than 1500 yards consistently, you need the Vectronix or something similar.
Your Leica doesn't measure and calculate for the current atmospheric conditions, allow you to enter your ballistics specific to your caliber $ load, then telling you how to dial your scope, either.
That's why the BR2 is $1400. Take your $800 Leica, add $250 for a kestrel, and another few hundred for a PDA handheld ballistics program and you can have one unit that does it all for you.
I give you the BR2.
Post by: yorketransport on November 24, 2014, 08:32:14 PM
$1400 for 1500 yards isn't a great deal. My $800 Leica will do 1500 yards (it's done over 2000 on occasion.)
If you want something further than 1500 yards consistently, you need the Vectronix or something similar.
Your Leica doesn't measure and calculate for the current atmospheric conditions, allow you to enter your ballistics specific to your caliber $ load, then telling you how to dial your scope, either.
That's why the BR2 is $1400. Take your $800 Leica, add $250 for a kestrel, and another few hundred for a PDA handheld ballistics program and you can have one unit that does it all for you.
I give you the BR2.
How about $800 for the Leica, $80 for a basic Kestral (you really don't need all the extra stuff on the top end models) and a $10 app for your phone? I'm still looking at only $900.
Now take the BR2 with all of the bells and whistles for $1400. That's an extra $500 over the Leica to have all of your equipment in one unit. So now when your batteries die, you are out a rangefinder, ballistic calculator, and weather station. And you still can't range past 1500 yards consistently in less than ideal conditions.
I'll go ahead and take the Terrapin plus $90 worth of other equipment and range out past 3000 yards easily. We run my Vectronix side by side with a Leica and the two are dead even until you start to get up around 1500 in less than perfect conditions. I can honestly say that in order to range past 1500 in mediocre conditions, there isn't much out there that can keep up with the Vectronix products. It's a shame that they discontinued the Terrapin. I'm just happy that I broke down and bought mine when I did. :tup:
Post by: xXLojackXx on November 25, 2014, 10:34:57 AM
Post by: elkh8me on December 27, 2014, 02:52:34 PM
My Zeiss RF will do it every time and quickly. My Swarovski would definitely do it, but has to "think". My Geovid HDs will do it, but not as consistently as the Zeiss or Swarovski. The Zeiss is the most consistent/responsive.we were in montana and had both zeiss and leica. leica would not range in the snow. zeiss ranged every single time!!!!
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Post by: yorketransport on February 04, 2015, 08:38:20 PM
Ordered up a Bushnell Elite 1 Mile ARC. Will have a quickie review in a week or so.
I've heard a lot of good things about those units. They seem pretty hard to beat at that price. And if you're hitting over 1600 yards on trees, I don't know what else you can ask for 95% of the time. Good score! :tup:
Andrew