Post by: Shane54 on March 30, 2014, 12:41:51 PM
Post by: slm9s on March 30, 2014, 12:46:45 PM
Post by: Taco280AI on March 30, 2014, 12:57:39 PM
Post by: ICEMAN on March 30, 2014, 01:04:15 PM
Post by: Bean Counter on March 30, 2014, 01:33:08 PM
For deer <500 yards I'd look at 257wby, 270wsm, 7-08, 6.5-06, 280ai, 7rm/wsm/saum, 30-06. If you just have to have more recoil you can go with any of the 300 mags, but a non mag will kill cleanly at that range too. Proper bullets and bullet placement are what matter
No need for RUM for that range. A 30-06 would work.
:yeah:
Save your money... And your shoulder. ;)
Post by: Hooked On Chrome Guide Service on March 30, 2014, 02:02:48 PM
Post by: bobcat on March 30, 2014, 02:10:10 PM
The 300 WSM is just slightly faster than the 30/06, so it should be easy on your shoulder compared to the RUM. The standard 300 Win Mag is another good option.
Post by: Bob33 on March 30, 2014, 02:18:46 PM
Put a brake on, and you need ear protection every time you shoot it or you will almost certainly permanently damage your hearing.
RUM = lots more powder, lots more energy and velocity, and lots more recoil.
For most shooters a 300 WSM is a better choice between the two.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on March 30, 2014, 02:19:51 PM
Post by: Biggerhammer on March 30, 2014, 02:46:01 PM
All Persenal preference.
Post by: Easy-E on March 30, 2014, 02:52:55 PM
Post by: Fowlweather25 on March 30, 2014, 03:04:11 PM
Killed Mulies at those ranges over the years with the .300 Win Mag, .300 WSM and the .300 Ultra. All of them died the same. I began years ago with the .300 Win Mag in sporter's and custom heavies. Went through the short mag, ultra mag and .338 Edge phase. Back to a good old 30" .300 Win Mag and the 230 OTM's for the long stuff, the combo will run with any Edge.Is the vld hybrid your otm of choice?
All Persenal preference.
Post by: Shane54 on March 30, 2014, 03:09:03 PM
Post by: Biggerhammer on March 30, 2014, 03:10:04 PM
Killed Mulies at those ranges over the years with the .300 Win Mag, .300 WSM and the .300 Ultra. All of them died the same. I began years ago with the .300 Win Mag in sporter's and custom heavies. Went through the short mag, ultra mag and .338 Edge phase. Back to a good old 30" .300 Win Mag and the 230 OTM's for the long stuff, the combo will run with any Edge.Is the vld hybrid your otm of choice?
All Persenal preference.
Yes, Berger Hybrids for both the .338 Edge & .300 Win Mag. They stopped making them but the Berger 190 VLD was wicked accurate in a 11 twist Winnie.
Post by: Fowlweather25 on March 30, 2014, 03:11:34 PM
Post by: rb2506 on March 30, 2014, 03:14:06 PM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on March 30, 2014, 03:17:55 PM
Post by: Biggerhammer on March 30, 2014, 03:27:43 PM
300 rum with 215 berger hybrid for me. Its been devastating on elk and bears for me.
I have friends that swear by the 215's for flat outright killing stuff.👍
Post by: mountainman on March 30, 2014, 04:07:12 PM
Post by: Easy-E on March 30, 2014, 04:21:31 PM
Post by: mountainman on March 30, 2014, 04:25:40 PM
Post by: Bob33 on March 30, 2014, 04:49:39 PM
The advantages of flatter trajectories were more valuable 20 years ago before the advent of laser rangefinders. If you weren't sure if the deer was 300 or 350 yards a flatter shooting caliber was a great advantage.
With a laser rangefinder today, you know the distance and can know the drop to within an inch or two. Whether the bullet drops 10 inches or 20 inches, you can aim accordingly.
If the 300 RUM gives you more confidence, then that's of some value but the deer will be just as dead with another .30 caliber.
Post by: Biggerhammer on March 30, 2014, 04:58:46 PM
Just curious what distances you guys are shooting groups at when you start load development for the 300 RUM? Any issues with tight groups at 100 yards? Or are you shooting longer distances from the start?
I start at 300 yards or further for the long range stuff, especially with the VLD bullets. 100 yards is a waste of time, powder and bullets. One learns that fairly quickly. If your shooting 1/4 MOA at 300 yards with a load. You can be assured you have 100 & 200 yards covered for a long range varmint and big game rig.
Post by: Bofire on March 30, 2014, 05:03:29 PM
I been using one for 40 years, my 2.
Carl
Post by: mountainman on March 30, 2014, 05:04:06 PM
Post by: yorketransport on March 30, 2014, 05:16:36 PM
All of the modern .30 calibers have enough energy to cleanly kill deer at 500 yards. A 300 RUM will work; so will a .308.
The advantages of flatter trajectories were more valuable 20 years ago before the advent of laser rangefinders. If you weren't sure if the deer was 300 or 350 yards a flatter shooting caliber was a great advantage.
With a laser rangefinder today, you know the distance and can know the drop to within an inch or two. Whether the bullet drops 10 inches or 20 inches, you can aim accordingly.
If the 300 RUM gives you more confidence, then that's of some value but the deer will be just as dead with another .30 caliber.
:yeah: I'm partial to the 300 WSM and I don't think that the RUM is really a significant improvement. All you really gain with the RUM is recoil, blast, and a velocity/time of flight advantage. With the use of rangefinders, BDC turrets and reticles, and better bullets, the added point blank range just isn't as important any more. It's the same bullet, same diameter, and the same performance at any given velocity. At the ranges you're considering the 300 WSM (or standard Win Mag) will still flatten any deer.
I've played a lot with the 300 WSM out of different guns ranging from handguns to rifles in both sporting and target configurations and I've never been disappointed. The I've played with the RUM less, but still a fair bit in both handguns and rifles. Honestly if I were you, I would bypass the 30 caliber mags all together. I don't think that they offer a significant advantage over your 270s on deer sized game. The next step up for me would be into the 338 class. :twocents:
Andrew
Post by: Bob33 on March 30, 2014, 05:21:12 PM
His primary weapon was a 300 Win Mag. He had several kills in excess of 1200 yards. It seemed to work pretty well for him. ;)
SI: You’re obviously known for your skill with a rifle. What was your primary rifle in the service?
CK: My favorite was a .300 Win. Mag. rifle with an Accuracy International stock. It was a Crane-designed rifle that handled real well and delivered superior accuracy over standard-issue rifles.
SI: How did you determine what rifle to take on a mission?
CK: We’d look at overhead imagery before mission and estimate what was the longest possible shot we might have to take. Beyond 1,000 yards, I’d take the .300 Win. Mag. 7.62 NATO just doesn’t have the range or punch at those really long distances. The .300 Win. Mag. also worked just fine on closer targets—it put them down faster than the 7.62 NATO could.
Post by: Biggerhammer on March 30, 2014, 05:36:29 PM
Post by: rtspring on March 30, 2014, 05:44:17 PM
Get a RUM, then get a brake installed and shoot factory Level III Scirocco's. has worked every time for me! It is the best all around rifle I have ever owned!!!! By far!!!
Buy one and you wont ever need another rifle!!!!
Post by: ICEMAN on March 30, 2014, 05:54:02 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on March 30, 2014, 06:09:09 PM
Post by: yorketransport on March 30, 2014, 06:11:54 PM
Why do you guys keep recommending the brakes? They kick, but not that darned hard! :dunno:
Maybe they own stock in a hearing protection company? :chuckle:
Post by: rb2506 on March 30, 2014, 06:19:16 PM
Why do you guys keep recommending the brakes? They kick, but not that darned hard! :dunno:
For me it's like shooting a 243 with a loud bang.
Post by: Bob33 on March 30, 2014, 06:34:27 PM
What did you say?Why do you guys keep recommending the brakes? They kick, but not that darned hard! :dunno:
Maybe they own stock in a hearing protection company? :chuckle:
Post by: Shane54 on March 30, 2014, 06:56:46 PM
Post by: bod on March 31, 2014, 09:09:12 AM
Do yourself a favor and take my advice.
Buy a Tikka T3 stainless 300 wsm and go fill the arc.
Post by: MtnMuley on March 31, 2014, 11:07:43 AM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on March 31, 2014, 11:51:50 AM
they seem to do a great job. Animals dont seem to go far after being hit with them.300 rum with 215 berger hybrid for me. Its been devastating on elk and bears for me.
I have friends that swear by the 215's for flat outright killing stuff.👍
The 300 win does seem to really shine with the 215 or 230 and a longer barrel.
Post by: Easy-E on March 31, 2014, 12:09:31 PM
Post by: Biggerhammer on March 31, 2014, 01:23:56 PM
long barrels, long bullets, and slow powders!
And there it is... :tup: H1000 & Retumbo. :)
Post by: yorketransport on March 31, 2014, 06:43:56 PM
long barrels, long bullets, and slow powders!
And there it is... :tup: H1000 & Retumbo. :)
That's great if you can find either of those powders. I'm down to 2# of H1000 and I'm starting to panic! :chuckle:
Andrew
Post by: Biggerhammer on March 31, 2014, 07:03:48 PM
long barrels, long bullets, and slow powders!
And there it is... :tup: H1000 & Retumbo. :)
That's great if you can find either of those powders. I'm down to 2# of H1000 and I'm starting to panic! :chuckle:
Andrew
Some of the cartridges you shoot eat that stuff quick!
Post by: jasnt on March 31, 2014, 07:05:00 PM
Post by: yorketransport on March 31, 2014, 07:55:18 PM
long barrels, long bullets, and slow powders!
And there it is... :tup: H1000 & Retumbo. :)
That's great if you can find either of those powders. I'm down to 2# of H1000 and I'm starting to panic! :chuckle:
Andrew
Some of the cartridges you shoot eat that stuff quick!
I need to start buying that stuff by the 8# keg. I only get 60 loads per pound in the BME! Makes the 300 Win Mag seem pretty efficient by comparison! ;)
Post by: Easy-E on March 31, 2014, 07:56:00 PM
Every time someone would ask me if they could shoot it I'd tell them the fee was a buck a round, and after about 3 they wouldn't want to shoot it any more! :chuckle:
And then a disclaimer about not being responsible for split eyebrows!
Post by: huntnnw on April 01, 2014, 10:20:52 PM
Post by: Shane54 on April 12, 2014, 08:16:03 PM
Post by: xXLojackXx on April 15, 2014, 05:44:16 PM
Post by: yorketransport on April 15, 2014, 08:34:06 PM
It's not hard to find at all and runs about $60 a box on average. I shot my RUM for a good while and then had Benchmark build it into a .338 Edge. Absolutely a 300gr VLD tack driver. In good conditions it's rings my 16" steel square consistently out to 1830 yards. The last picture is a .338 Edge round next to a 200 gr Accubond .300 RUM
There's something special about Benchmark's 338 barrels!
Post by: xXLojackXx on April 16, 2014, 07:57:40 AM
It's not hard to find at all and runs about $60 a box on average. I shot my RUM for a good while and then had Benchmark build it into a .338 Edge. Absolutely a 300gr VLD tack driver. In good conditions it's rings my 16" steel square consistently out to 1830 yards. The last picture is a .338 Edge round next to a 200 gr Accubond .300 RUM
There's something special about Benchmark's 338 barrels!
There's something special about all of Benchmark's barrels. I've never seen a Benchmark rifle that didn't shoot bug holes
Post by: Shane54 on April 17, 2014, 02:09:53 PM
Post by: Taco280AI on April 18, 2014, 11:39:32 AM
If you want to burn more powder, have more recoil, and more muzzle blast to kill your game just as dead I guess it makes sense.
Post by: coachcw on April 19, 2014, 08:29:51 AM
Post by: xXLojackXx on April 20, 2014, 06:21:42 PM
Really you cant go wrong with the wsm or the wm. we have both and the t3 in 300wsm is a pleasure to shoot, we have a wm accurized savage with a break that sends 180grain sst's with deadly results . if you want a fairly light mountain option I'd pick the wsm if that's not a concern you could go with wm and handloads. or you could just go with the 26 nosler
When does the .26 Nosler hit the market to consumers? Or is it?
Post by: jasnt on April 21, 2014, 12:17:19 PM
For the OP's desire for a caliber to shoot a MAX of 400-500 yards, why are so many suggesting the RUM? I don't get it... :dunno:
If you want to burn more powder, have more recoil, and more muzzle blast to kill your game just as dead I guess it makes sense.
Could be because once you start shooting at 400 yards + you just keep pushing it out there wanting to go farther. I like the 300wm my self but everyone has there own flavor
Post by: longrange7mm on April 25, 2014, 04:22:04 AM
My 300 RUM.........shoots like a 22 mag :tup:
and throws dirt, gravel, and any other debri under your muzzle like a pissed off child :chuckle: sweet gun campmeat I had a brake like that on a 338 RUM and still have dirt in my eyes :chuckle:
Post by: CAMPMEAT on April 25, 2014, 10:19:02 AM
\My 300 RUM.........shoots like a 22 mag :tup:
and throws dirt, gravel, and any other debri under your muzzle like a pissed off child :chuckle: sweet gun campmeat I had a brake like that on a 338 RUM and still have dirt in my eyes :chuckle:
Thanks. I'm kinda lucky, I can't lay down and hardly get up. I can shoot out of my truck with my disabled placard..... :tup:
I didn't have a brake put on without holes, on the bottom, just for that reason.....dirt blast excavation :tup:
Post by: KFhunter on April 25, 2014, 08:18:58 PM
I was looking for a larger caliber long range rifle. Is the 300rum to much power for mule deer? Which one should I buy. I'm looking for it to be a 400-500 yard gun and no more.
You don't need a magnum, let alone a ultra mag for that.
Just a waste of $ and meat :twocents:
In internet slang "400-500 yards" usually means 150- 200 yards at best :chuckle:
Post by: Shane54 on April 29, 2014, 05:18:02 PM
I was looking for a larger caliber long range rifle. Is the 300rum to much power for mule deer? Which one should I buy. I'm looking for it to be a 400-500 yard gun and no more.
You don't need a magnum, let alone a ultra mag for that.
Just a waste of $ and meat :twocents:
In internet slang "400-500 yards" usually means 150- 200 yards at best :chuckle:
If that's the case I meant to say 1400-1500 yards :chuckle: