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Equipment & Gear => Guns and Ammo => Topic started by: yorketransport on April 05, 2014, 03:27:00 PM

Title: Unexpected Score from Cabelas!
Post by: yorketransport on April 05, 2014, 03:27:00 PM: I rolled through Cabelas this morning to grab a set of reloading dies and I walked out with an interesting find. They had just put out an Arnold Arms Stainless Hunter 2000 in 458 Arnold. It's built on a Rem 700, not his Apollo action. Stainless steel, nice pepper laminate stock, trigger felt good, and it's in an odd caliber. It seems like a decent find. The price? $650! :IBCOOL:
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The original price on the tag was a touch over $1000. I wouldn't have anything to do with it for that price but $650 is a fair price for a stainless action and bottom metal in a nice laminate stock. So it came home with and I figured I would give it a full tear down and see what I ended up with.

It's an Ultra Mag length action and the lugs were lapped to easily make 85-90% contact. The extractor has been converted to an M 16 style. The action was bedded into the stock (very well done) and the bottom metal fits beautifully. The trigger is actually a Jewel that I adjusted to right about 3#.

The only issue I've found is that one of the rear scope base screws was stripped out. I just drilled and tapped them all to take 8x40 screws.

Now I just need to get some info on the 458 Arnold! It's based off of a belted case, I'm just not sure what the specifics are. If I can get any info I'll try shooting it. If not, this is turning into a donor action for something even more obscure! :chuckle:

Andrew
Title: Re: Unexpected Score from Cabelas!
Post by: NW-GSP on April 05, 2014, 04:05:27 PM: Make sure you post info when you find out more about the caliber, it have never heard of it but that is a sweet looking rifle!
Title: Re: Unexpected Score from Cabelas!
Post by: yorketransport on April 05, 2014, 04:13:32 PM: I've been playing around with different cases (all of them empty piece of brass) trying to gauge the chamber. So far the only pieces of brass which will chamber are 7mm Rem mag, 300 Win Mag, and 375 H&H. A 458 Win Mag case won't chamber, so the 458 Arnold case must be shorter than the 458 Win Mag.

I'll probably just need to break down and do a chamber cast or track down a reamer print.

Andrew
Title: Re: Unexpected Score from Cabelas!
Post by: mountainman on April 05, 2014, 04:40:20 PM: It is based of the .416 Rem Mag case opened up, if its the standrd Arnold.. With the 500 gr pills, it falls squarely between the Lott and the 460 Weatherby. Definetly more efficient than the Weatherby tho! If it is the Arnold 458 short, it is a 458 Win, shortened to 2.30" I assume with a long action, it is the former..
Great find!!
Title: Re: Unexpected Score from Cabelas!
Post by: Biggerhammer on April 05, 2014, 04:44:13 PM: Awesome score! You know how they come and go. You ever think to sell it on down the road. I'LL TAKE IT.
Title: Re: Unexpected Score from Cabelas!
Post by: yorketransport on April 05, 2014, 04:53:55 PM: Quote from: mountainman on April 05, 2014, 04:40:20 PM
It is based of the .416 Rem Mag case opened up, if its the standrd Arnold.. With the 500 gr pills, it falls squarely between the Lott and the 460 Weatherby. Definetly more efficient than the Weatherby tho! If it is the Arnold 458 short, it is a 458 Win, shortened to 2.30" I assume with a long action, it is the former..
Great find!!

I'd be willing to bet that this is the short version. A full length 458 Win Mag case won't chamber. Maybe I'll try trimming one down to 2.3 and see if that works. Thanks for the info!

Quote from: Biggerhammer on April 05, 2014, 04:44:13 PM
Awesome score! You know how they come and go. You ever think to sell it on down the road. I'LL TAKE IT.
I think I may have an ideal for this action if the 458 doesn't work out. I think you can guess what it is. ;)

Andrew
Title: Re: Unexpected Score from Cabelas!
Post by: mountainman on April 05, 2014, 04:57:31 PM: Let me know if you want any info once you find out. i have some data on both, and Doug is a close freind, if you have any questions!
:tup:
Title: Re: Unexpected Score from Cabelas!
Post by: yorketransport on April 05, 2014, 05:49:20 PM: Looks like it's the full length version. My 458 brass was bulged just past the belt, that's why it didn't chamber. :DOH:

If it's based off the 416 rem mag, wouldn't that make it essentially a 458 Lott case? Just trying to figure out if I can use 458 lott dies or if I need to have some made.
Title: Re: Unexpected Score from Cabelas!
Post by: Biggerhammer on April 05, 2014, 05:50:45 PM: It would be way closer to .458 Lott than it would be to .460 Weatherby.
Title: Re: Unexpected Score from Cabelas!
Post by: mountainman on April 05, 2014, 06:00:58 PM: In the Arnold short, but the standard runs at 2450 with a 500 grain bullet. The lott is at 2300 fps, the Weatherby is at 2600. Thats pretty much in the middle. Now handloads will sway those numbers either way. But am not here to argue, just giving info...
Title: Re: Unexpected Score from Cabelas!
Post by: yorketransport on April 05, 2014, 06:16:41 PM: Whatever performance it gives I need to get this thing up and running! Now to find some 416 rem mag brass and a set of dies! Sounds like it time for a midway order. :tup:
Title: Re: Unexpected Score from Cabelas!
Post by: Biggerhammer on April 05, 2014, 06:22:44 PM: The 416 Remington Magnum shoots a 500gr bullet at 2450. Neck it up to .458 without any changes to the parent case dimension and it's going to be slower than 2450 given the bearing surface of the larger .458 bullet. Now if the case dimensions are changed when it comes to the .458 Arnold as in slightly improved shoulder or less body tapper upon fire forming, it may come close to the .416/500gr velocities.

Let us know when you run a 500 over the chrony! :tup:
Title: Re: Unexpected Score from Cabelas!
Post by: yorketransport on April 05, 2014, 08:04:22 PM: Well I found some 416 Rem Mag brass, now I just need to figure out what dies will work. If it's a 416 necked up to 458, that would pretty much match the Lott. I may just try a set of 458 Lott dies and see how those work.

Now to get my hands on some of the 300gr TTSX and maybe something in the 500+ grain range.
Title: Re: Unexpected Score from Cabelas!
Post by: Biggerhammer on April 05, 2014, 08:17:31 PM: The Lott dies will work to neck it up, if the case fire formed case dimensions are just a necked up 416, with no other changes. As in shoulder position or less body tapper. You will be good to go neck sizing after that, may even get the pleasure of a shoulder bump here and there. That's a cool rifle/chambering.
Title: Re: Unexpected Score from Cabelas!
Post by: yorketransport on April 05, 2014, 08:49:09 PM: If it has a shoulder, it's more of a ghost shoulder than anything. The chamber looks pretty straight walled. I'll get the brass and dies here in a few days. :tup:
Title: Re: Unexpected Score from Cabelas!
Post by: mountainman on April 05, 2014, 09:57:57 PM: Here you go Yorkie, hope this helps some. These numbers are for the standard Arnold Magnum. If it turns out to be the short mag, I will be glad to get you that info! :tup:
Title: Re: Unexpected Score from Cabelas!
Post by: CAMPMEAT on April 05, 2014, 10:12:28 PM: You crazy SOB's need therapy...............
Title: Re: Unexpected Score from Cabelas!
Post by: Biggerhammer on April 05, 2014, 10:24:50 PM: Quote from: CAMPMEAT on April 05, 2014, 10:12:28 PM
You crazy SOB's need therapy...............

I'm envious of Yorke's find.

The big wildcat .458's rock! :rockin:

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That's only a 370gr .458 CEB BBW#13 next to the .270 WSM case. :tup:

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Title: Re: Unexpected Score from Cabelas!
Post by: jody on April 05, 2014, 10:38:34 PM: That is a nice score! That sure would make a nice pistol for you.
Title: Re: Unexpected Score from Cabelas!
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on April 05, 2014, 10:40:58 PM: Cerosafe...

-Steve
Title: Re: Unexpected Score from Cabelas!
Post by: bobcat on April 05, 2014, 10:41:12 PM: Quote from: jody on April 05, 2014, 10:38:34 PM
That sure would make a nice pistol for you.

:yike:
Title: Re: Unexpected Score from Cabelas!
Post by: yorketransport on April 05, 2014, 11:20:46 PM: Quote from: jody on April 05, 2014, 10:38:34 PM
That is a nice score! That sure would make a nice pistol for you.

Maybe we should have a company picnic and I'll bring it along. And for the record, I know a guy who does have a handgun in 458 Lott!

Quote from: mountainman on April 05, 2014, 09:57:57 PM
Here you go Yorkie, hope this helps some. These numbers are for the standard Arnold Magnum. If it turns out to be the short mag, I will be glad to get you that info! :tup:

Thanks! I really wasn't sure if I was going to come up with anything on this caliber!
Title: Re: Unexpected Score from Cabelas!
Post by: jody on April 05, 2014, 11:35:15 PM: Anytime. I'm sure you do.
Title: Re: Unexpected Score from Cabelas!
Post by: rodell on April 07, 2014, 06:20:40 AM: Quote from: JackOfAllTrades on April 05, 2014, 10:40:58 PM
Cerosafe...

-Steve

That's what I was thinking. End all speculation about the clambering.