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Title: Livingston - Drain plug(s)?
Post by: xd2005 on April 16, 2014, 07:32:39 PM: I picked up a 1984 14' Livingston last week. One thing I've noticed is that it does not have any drain plugs. I assume it had one (or two actually) in the past and that they got filled.

So...Did it have a drain plug? If yes, one or two? Any tips on finding the right place to put new one(s)?
I'm guessing the "seat" area in the back has a channel/tube/pipe running through it for draining, so I would need to line it up pretty well to hit the right spot. I'm also assuming a plug would go on each side.

Thanks in advance for the guidance.
Title: Re: Livingston - Drain plug(s)?
Post by: kenzmad on April 16, 2014, 09:14:33 PM: Yes, they had one for each side. Look at the aft most inboard side of the hull. There should be a well there where the drains should be. Here is a pic of the drain on most livingstons. Rounded part goes on the outside. Only issue is, if you step on the plug, you break the ears off of it.

http://www.livingstonboats.com/products/clamshell-drain-assembly (http://www.livingstonboats.com/products/clamshell-drain-assembly)
Title: Re: Livingston - Drain plug(s)?
Post by: xd2005 on April 17, 2014, 06:26:48 AM: (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/88788270/Livingston.jpg)

I'm guessing those are the drains that I've circled here (clearly, not my boat pictured here)? I don't see anything on the other side in this picture...am I missing something?
Title: Re: Livingston - Drain plug(s)?
Post by: jackmaster on April 17, 2014, 06:44:14 AM: they have plugs that you stuff in from the inside and turn the screw with a flathead screw driver to make the rubber swell out, that way it isnt a plug that is outside the boat, all plugs should be installed from the inside out
Title: Re: Livingston - Drain plug(s)?
Post by: kenzmad on April 17, 2014, 07:07:22 AM: I will try and take a pic of mine when I get home tonight. Mine looks nothing like the picture above. I think my boats a late 70s or early 80s.
Title: Re: Livingston - Drain plug(s)?
Post by: xd2005 on April 17, 2014, 07:03:20 PM: (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/88788270/Living2.jpg)

Here's a pic of what it looks like as it hits the back seating area. It's possible there's a hollow opening behind the seat, under the platform, but I'm inclined to think there is not (would be a pretty narrow seat).

It does look like there's a hole/tunnel heading under the seat. I assume to drain out the stern, however, a prior (not most recent) owner filled those drain holes, so I would need to re-drill.
Title: Re: Livingston - Drain plug(s)?
Post by: jrebel on April 17, 2014, 07:22:51 PM: Is there two drain holes on the back side of the transom, exiting the back of the boat? I have a 12' that does not have the rear seat configuration but does have two holes where the plugs go on the transom. I have drain holes under the seats like the one in your pictures.
Title: Re: Livingston - Drain plug(s)?
Post by: jrebel on April 17, 2014, 07:26:39 PM: here is a pic of what I am talking about.
Title: Re: Livingston - Drain plug(s)?
Post by: xd2005 on April 17, 2014, 07:36:36 PM: LOL...I feel like I should be insulted that you don't think I would notice two drains in the transom of my boat. :chuckle:

There are not holes, but there are clear indications of a patch job.

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/88788270/living3.jpg)
Title: Re: Livingston - Drain plug(s)?
Post by: jrebel on April 17, 2014, 07:46:30 PM: Definitely not trying to insult your intelligence.... :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: but a guy never knows :dunno:. My bet is the previous owners patched the holes....doesn't make sense but hey, not much these days makes sense. :chuckle: :chuckle:
Title: Re: Livingston - Drain plug(s)?
Post by: Gamehunter034 on April 17, 2014, 09:39:41 PM: On my livingston i believe late 70's it has plugs like your first diagram above, with nylon screw in plugs. I believe like yours someone previous of course patched up the ones on the transom.

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Title: Re: Livingston - Drain plug(s)?
Post by: xd2005 on April 18, 2014, 06:46:19 AM: So now that we've established it had plugs, but they were filled...next steps?

Clearly, I would like drain plugs.

One question I cannot answer is whether the plug receiver remains or if it was pulled. While I also cannot confirm whether the added platform is covering a hollow area (unfortunately, it looks like it's been riveted, or something, to the boat, so not easy to remove), it does look like the connections go all the way to the stern, indicating there's something there to which to attach.

It's possible I MIGHT be able to get a long enough drill bit and extension to try to drill it from the inside, going through the tube in the rear seat...although the hole there may not be large enough for the hole that needs to be drilled. However, I assume if drilling from the rear, I need to worry about living it up correctly.

Thoughts?
Title: Re: Livingston - Drain plug(s)?
Post by: jrebel on April 18, 2014, 11:23:57 AM: Try a magnet or metal detector and see if the metal from the plug receiver is just filled and covered with fiberglass. I believe the plug receivers are metal.....?? This would be my first step. If the metal is still there then find it and clear the plug. This should solve the problem.

After that....I have nothing. :chuckle: :chuckle:
Title: Re: Livingston - Drain plug(s)?
Post by: xd2005 on April 18, 2014, 05:23:10 PM: Tried a magnet with no success. :'(
Title: Re: Livingston - Drain plug(s)?
Post by: JKEEN33 on April 18, 2014, 06:11:20 PM: I have an older 10 footer. I'm guessing they are glassed over on your boat. The original drains are a screwed on plastic plate right on the bottom where your feet go with a plastic screw in plug. Mine were broken when I bought the boat and I replaced them and immediately broke them again. I believe a lot of these were glassed over for that reason. Considering doing it to my boat too for this reason. It's small enough that I really don't need drain plugs.
Title: Re: Livingston - Drain plug(s)?
Post by: xd2005 on April 18, 2014, 06:23:14 PM: I'll have to look to see how long of a drill bit+extension I have, but I may try to drill the hole out under the seat, all the way through, then silicone in a piece of PVC...and possibly, if it's the right size, have it go through and be the receiver for the plug out the stern. Just thinking out loud at this point...
Title: Re: Livingston - Drain plug(s)?
Post by: Bofire on April 18, 2014, 06:25:04 PM: fill the boat with water and see where/if it leaks out. :dunno: If it does not drain figure where and how you want it to, and make it so.
Carl
Title: Re: Livingston - Drain plug(s)?
Post by: xd2005 on April 18, 2014, 06:27:40 PM: With the rain, it has filled and not leaked...which is "good," but I need (and know it) a way to get it out...plus get a cover on it. Just bought it a week ago, so still working through all this.
Title: Re: Livingston - Drain plug(s)?
Post by: xd2005 on April 18, 2014, 06:30:09 PM: Quote from: JKEEN33 on April 18, 2014, 06:27:00 PM
The original drain was just in from of the seat in the bottom. You can call Livingston and get the cover to install these. Its a plastic piesce that goes on the bottom and another on the top and screws together. they were fairly cheap when I ordered them.

These?

http://www.livingstonboats.com/products/clamshell-drain-assembly (http://www.livingstonboats.com/products/clamshell-drain-assembly)
Title: Re: Livingston - Drain plug(s)?
Post by: xd2005 on April 18, 2014, 07:49:30 PM: I still haven't grasped how these look on the boat. Is there anything on the bottom side of the boat, or just the hole coming through? I'm guessing the rounded part sits down in the groove in the bottom of the boat? Just worried about if my rollers on the trailer would interfere...
Title: Re: Livingston - Drain plug(s)?
Post by: Gamehunter034 on April 18, 2014, 08:36:29 PM: My Plugs are exactly those as well. I can try and take pics tomorrow sometime and post them if that helps any. Boat is currently at my folks since I am getting a trailer and only have so much room at my place.
Title: Re: Livingston - Drain plug(s)?
Post by: xd2005 on April 19, 2014, 05:54:44 PM: Anyone have a picture yet? Still not quite grasping what it looks like installed. :)

Does it go on the very bottom or the side?

I found this picture online...but it looks different.

This thread has a couple other pictures. Although this is a 10' vs 14', mine essentially looks the same (minus drains). http://www.thehulltruth.com/boats-sale-wanted/511138-10-livingston-skiff-massachusetts-600-a.html (http://www.thehulltruth.com/boats-sale-wanted/511138-10-livingston-skiff-massachusetts-600-a.html) :)

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Title: Re: Livingston - Drain plug(s)?
Post by: Gamehunter034 on April 19, 2014, 06:52:24 PM: Ahh crap i forgot to run over to my folks to get a pic..kiddo has been sick as well. I will get one tomorrow as ill be goin over there for easter!

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Title: Re: Livingston - Drain plug(s)?
Post by: Gamehunter034 on April 20, 2014, 12:45:05 PM: Here is how mine is set up hopefully it gives you a better idea.

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Title: Re: Livingston - Drain plug(s)?
Post by: xd2005 on April 20, 2014, 01:23:40 PM: Perfect! Thank you!

Wish they weren't $29 a piece!
Title: Re: Livingston - Drain plug(s)?
Post by: Gamehunter034 on April 20, 2014, 01:59:03 PM: Quote from: xd2005 on April 20, 2014, 01:23:40 PM
Perfect! Thank you!

Wish they weren't $29 a piece!

No problem, maybe you can find a pair on ebay or amazon :dunno: worth a shot in searching!