Post by: bigtex on April 17, 2014, 01:10:03 PM
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By Marcy Stamper
All-terrain vehicles (ATVs) will be permitted to use roads in the Okanogan-Wenatchee National Forest, as long as they have been outfitted with safety equipment and licensed for highway use in accordance with a state law that went into effect last July.
The decision by Okanogan-Wenatchee National Forest supervisor Mike Balboni to permit licensed ATVs to use the roads is a change from previous U.S. Forest Service policy issued in July, shortly after the state law went into effect.
The former directive had continued to ban ATVs from Forest Service roads, based on a determination that the agency’s definition of “street-legal” should follow federal, as opposed to state, law.
Now that Washington has a licensing procedure for ATVs, the Okanogan-Wenatchee National Forest will not consider them any different from other vehicles, said Jennifer Zbyszewski, the recreation, wilderness and facilities program manager for the Methow Valley Ranger District.
The decision applies only to the Okanogan-Wenatchee forest, and only to roads that allow motorized vehicles, according to Robin DeMario, public affairs specialist for the agency. Other forests in the state may have different policies.
When the forest’s Travel Management Plan is completed next year, it will include a list of roads and allowable uses, which may alter the policy regarding off-road-vehicle use, said DeMario.
In reviewing the road policy, Balboni consulted with Jen Fitzpatrick, assistant director for recreation, lands, and minerals for the Forest Service’s Northwest Region, and with the Office of General Counsel, which provides legal advice to federal agencies, according to Methow Valley District Ranger Mike Liu.
“The general counsel said this is a management issue, and not a matter of law,” explained Liu. Without a code of federal regulations that clearly prohibits ATVs, Balboni determined there is no legal means to enforce a policy prohibiting ATVs, said Liu. Decisions about road usage are made at agency levels above the ranger district, he said.
The new Washington law created a class of vehicles (wheeled ATVs) that, while not highway-legal, are licensed vehicles, said Liu. “It’s a little confusing and open to interpretation, but that’s what we believe the facts of law are,” he said.
Spencer King, the president of the Conconully-based North Central ATV Club, said he met with Balboni and the deputy forest supervisor about two weeks ago, since both supervisors are new on the job and King wanted “to put names to faces.” Balboni had already looked at the state law and was considering allowing ATVs with the new license plates in the forest, said King.
State law sows confusion
The Forest Service decision caught some supporters of the new ATV law off guard. Mitch Friedman, the executive director of Conservation Northwest, said he learned about a week ago that the Forest Service had changed its policy, when he saw an announcement from the North Central ATV Club.
“The thing that most upsets me about what the forest supervisor did is, he made a decision after one meeting with ATV folks and didn’t check with his supervisors or stakeholders,” said Friedman.
Friedman said the Forest Service’s decision runs counter to the intent of the ATV law, which he said explicitly does not include public lands. Friedman helped draft the law in a cooperative effort with other groups seeking to expand opportunities for ATV recreation while protecting sensitive environmental areas and increasing enforcement.
Conservation Northwest is a co-plaintiff with the Methow Valley Citizens’ Council in a lawsuit that pressed Okanogan County to withdraw the two ATV ordinances earlier in March. The Okanogan County commissioners rescinded the ordinances after county attorneys determined that some aspects of the ordinances conflicted with state law. Okanogan County officials have said they would fix the procedural problems in the ATV ordinances and introduce new ones that will be subject to environmental review.
Conservation Northwest will not shy away from further legal actions to preserve the intent of the law, said Friedman. “Conservation Northwest would absolutely consider legal action if Forest Service policy changes [to allow ATVs],” said Friedman.
Evolving USFS policy
A Forest Service briefing paper issued last July, just after the law went into effect, stated that “Forest Service line officers do have authority to change vehicle type designations on Forest routes, but must first have a route specific motorized mixed-use analysis completed and engage the public in an MVUM [Motor Vehicle Use Map] update process.”
The Okanogan-Wenatchee National Forest, like all forests around the country, is currently undertaking this process and developing its Travel Management Plan, a multi-step process that entails a comprehensive review of all roads. The Okanogan-Wenatchee National Forest started work on its plan about 10 years ago, according to Zbyszewski.
The regional office is currently reviewing public comments and the draft environmental impact statement on the Okanogan-Wenatchee National Forest travel plan. When complete, it will be sent out for further public comment, said Zbyszewski.
After forest managers identify all roads (both official roads and those created by users), they create a map showing all official roads and the types of vehicles that can use them. The final step in travel planning is an analysis of which roads the Forest Service can sustain, both economically and ecologically, over the long term, according to Tom Knappenberger, spokesperson for the Forest Service’s Northwest Region. The deadline for completed plans is October 2015.
The Travel Management planning process has been controversial because national policy has changed so that all roads are considered closed to motor vehicles unless designated open. That is a reversal for some forests, including the Okanogan-Wenatchee, where all roads are currently open unless specifically closed, according to Zbyszewski.
The Okanogan-Wenatchee National Forest also allows cross-country travel except in certain areas, such as on highly sensitive meadows, but motorists are not permitted to cause resource damage. “It’s a fine line that causes debate,” said Zbyszewski.
King said the ATV club will help educate people about the rules and regulations for ATV use on county roads and in the national forest. “To do it right, we need to push for responsible motorized recreation,” he said.
Current travel maps for the Methow Valley and Tonasket ranger districts and guidelines about motor-vehicle use in the national forest are available online at www.fs.usda.gov/main/okawen/maps-pubs (http://www.fs.usda.gov/main/okawen/maps-pubs) under “Travel Maps” at the bottom of the page. The free maps are also available at the Methow Valley Ranger District office.
http://methowvalleynews.com/2014/03/27/forest-service-decides-to-allow-atvs-on-its-roads/ (http://methowvalleynews.com/2014/03/27/forest-service-decides-to-allow-atvs-on-its-roads/)
Post by: Curly on April 17, 2014, 01:11:01 PM
Post by: washelkhunter on April 17, 2014, 01:27:00 PM
Post by: bigtex on April 17, 2014, 01:29:39 PM
Campmeat will crack a dozen eggs in his lap when he reads this. :chuckle:Exactly what I was thinking
Post by: MtnMuley on April 17, 2014, 01:35:10 PM
PS -- Mitch Friedman and all his associates :pee:
Post by: CAMPMEAT on April 17, 2014, 01:35:59 PM
Post by: 6x6in6 on April 17, 2014, 01:38:14 PM
We love this new rule............ washelkhunter, are you guys coming over ?
:chuckle:
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say he'd rather have a colostomy procedure.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on April 17, 2014, 01:40:19 PM
We love this new rule............ washelkhunter, are you guys coming over ?
:chuckle:
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say he'd rather have a colostomy procedure.
Most likely he would..............!!
Post by: washelkhunter on April 17, 2014, 02:09:19 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on April 17, 2014, 02:54:44 PM
Not tomorrow; I've got to visit my Polaris dealer first. :chuckle: I'm really looking forward to ridin with you fellas!
Don't forget your " SLIME " for flat tires when you come over. Those 20 inchers look like they hold a gallon each.
Post by: C-Money on April 17, 2014, 03:22:49 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on April 17, 2014, 04:19:32 PM
Any guess how much it would cost to make an 07 Honda Rancher street legal?
Bicycle horn, a couple mirrors, turn signals, brake lights and headlights. $50 inspection fee. Then whatever the State charges. Mine was $38 for the on/off road plate when they come out. They give you a temp paper plate to display in the mean time.
Post by: MtnMuley on April 17, 2014, 04:23:55 PM
Any guess how much it would cost to make an 07 Honda Rancher street legal?
Bicycle horn, a couple mirrors, turn signals, brake lights and headlights. $50 inspection fee. Then whatever the State charges. Mine was $38 for the on/off road plate when they come out. They give you a temp paper plate to display in the mean time.
As far as I know, every atv comes with brake lights and headlights. :dunno:
Post by: CAMPMEAT on April 17, 2014, 04:32:04 PM
Any guess how much it would cost to make an 07 Honda Rancher street legal?
Bicycle horn, a couple mirrors, turn signals, brake lights and headlights. $50 inspection fee. Then whatever the State charges. Mine was $38 for the on/off road plate when they come out. They give you a temp paper plate to display in the mean time.
As far as I know, every atv comes with brake lights and headlights. :dunno:
They do, but might have bulbs burned out or wires broken, corroded etc.
Post by: dontgetcrabs on April 17, 2014, 04:36:28 PM
Post by: timberfaller on April 17, 2014, 09:57:46 PM
If you know what has been going on in the USFS for some time now you'll understand. Its called, Making sure the "desk jockey's" keep their jobs FIRST over the "useful" positions being filled!! Paper pushers are more important then laborer's who get out and break a sweat!!
Its high time the Methow got put into the real world concerning ATV's
Post by: washelkhunter on April 17, 2014, 10:21:55 PM
"anybody that spends time in those forests know that road maintenance by the USFS is basically non-existent."
If you know what has been going on in the USFS for some time now you'll understand. Its called, Making sure the "desk jockey's" keep their jobs FIRST over the "useful" positions being filled!! Paper pushers are more important then laborer's who get out and break a sweat!!
Its high time the Methow got put into the real world concerning ATV's
Fer shizzle. Road maintenance is devolving from grading, to wack the road side brush back, to oh well. Washed out, slide out and overgrown secondary FS roads are being allowed to go back to nature. How else can they make room for wolves. :dunno:
Post by: Hunter Dug on April 18, 2014, 07:41:32 AM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on April 18, 2014, 08:00:28 AM
Keep that $#@%$# on the eastside.
Who wants to go over to the westside at all, is my question, not me in a million years. So you're safe from the eastsiders. :tup:
Post by: stevemiller on April 18, 2014, 06:43:36 PM
Post by: KFhunter on April 18, 2014, 06:45:28 PM
This wasn't passed for ATV riders,It was passed for the anti hunters to be able to go more places and harass the hunters and animals. :twocents:
not a good idear in them thar hills
Post by: stevemiller on April 18, 2014, 06:48:41 PM
Post by: dontgetcrabs on April 18, 2014, 09:58:40 PM
This wasn't passed for ATV riders,It was passed for the anti hunters to be able to go more places and harass the hunters and animals. :twocents:
Are you serious?
Post by: sakoshooter on April 18, 2014, 10:23:51 PM
Post by: stevemiller on April 18, 2014, 11:41:57 PM
UM YES,Of course Im not serious,But it sounded good.This wasn't passed for ATV riders,It was passed for the anti hunters to be able to go more places and harass the hunters and animals. :twocents:
Are you serious?
Post by: KFhunter on April 19, 2014, 09:21:50 PM
http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/hvo/4429989738.html (http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/hvo/4429989738.html)
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ultimate bug out vehicle?
Post by: KFhunter on April 19, 2014, 09:24:06 PM
Post by: 6x6in6 on April 19, 2014, 09:31:09 PM
Post by: firepin on April 20, 2014, 07:42:38 AM
Any guess how much it would cost to make an 07 Honda Rancher street legal?
Bicycle horn, a couple mirrors, turn signals, brake lights and headlights. $50 inspection fee. Then whatever the State charges. Mine was $38 for the on/off road plate when they come out. They give you a temp paper plate to display in the mean time.
Was looking at the Can Am Commanders. How about DOT tires, are they required also?
Post by: Halo on April 20, 2014, 08:49:13 AM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on April 20, 2014, 08:51:53 AM
I sold my Commander because of width restrictions on all forest service regs in any state, 50 inches. My Commander was 62 with wheel spacers. I think they are around 60 without. Something to think about.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on April 20, 2014, 08:59:23 AM
Post by: firepin on April 20, 2014, 03:48:30 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on April 20, 2014, 04:27:40 PM
Thanks CAMPMEAT, we are just looking right now. We really like the Commander, but waiting to make sure they allow us to ride were we want. We have a Jeep for trail fun.
Where do you want to ride ?
Post by: CAMPMEAT on April 21, 2014, 01:22:56 PM
Post by: 6x6in6 on April 21, 2014, 02:01:14 PM
Careful, don't be causing no resource damage since since your off-road in that photo. :chuckle:
Post by: CAMPMEAT on April 21, 2014, 02:08:02 PM
:chuckle:
Careful, don't be causing no resource damage since since your off-road in that photo. :chuckle:
I know, I know, but I'm in the ditch because washelkhunter ran me off the road.......... :tup:
Post by: 6x6in6 on April 21, 2014, 02:19:29 PM
Can't be so. He would not have missed hitting you. Because he's that damn good. (in his own mind).:chuckle:
Careful, don't be causing no resource damage since since your off-road in that photo. :chuckle:
I know, I know, but I'm in the ditch because washelkhunter ran me off the road.......... :tup:
My turn signals for my Rhino get delivered by the the brown truck dude today. Install them an get my inspection - good to go!!
Post by: CAMPMEAT on April 21, 2014, 02:25:29 PM
Can't be so. He would not have missed hitting you. Because he's that damn good. (in his own mind).:chuckle:
Careful, don't be causing no resource damage since since your off-road in that photo. :chuckle:
I know, I know, but I'm in the ditch because washelkhunter ran me off the road.......... :tup:
My turn signals for my Rhino get delivered by the the brown truck dude today. Install them an get my inspection - good to go!!
Do you have anyplace to ride, like Walker Valley ? Or, can you ride in Mt Baker NF yet ?
Post by: 6x6in6 on April 21, 2014, 02:46:07 PM
Walker, yes, it's DNR land so requires the DP.Can't be so. He would not have missed hitting you. Because he's that damn good. (in his own mind).:chuckle:
Careful, don't be causing no resource damage since since your off-road in that photo. :chuckle:
I know, I know, but I'm in the ditch because washelkhunter ran me off the road.......... :tup:
My turn signals for my Rhino get delivered by the the brown truck dude today. Install them an get my inspection - good to go!!
Do you have anyplace to ride, like Walker Valley ? Or, can you ride in Mt Baker NF yet ?
Mount Baker/Snoqualmie NF - That will be a cold day in *blank* before they nod their head on that.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on April 21, 2014, 03:07:08 PM
Walker, yes, it's DNR land so requires the DP.Can't be so. He would not have missed hitting you. Because he's that damn good. (in his own mind).:chuckle:
Careful, don't be causing no resource damage since since your off-road in that photo. :chuckle:
I know, I know, but I'm in the ditch because washelkhunter ran me off the road.......... :tup:
My turn signals for my Rhino get delivered by the the brown truck dude today. Install them an get my inspection - good to go!!
Do you have anyplace to ride, like Walker Valley ? Or, can you ride in Mt Baker NF yet ?
Mount Baker/Snoqualmie NF - That will be a cold day in *blank* before they nod their head on that.
Mt Baker is Conservation NW's backdoor. I guess it won't ever be open.
Post by: 6x6in6 on April 21, 2014, 03:24:58 PM
Probably not. The vast majority of roads just peter out due to overgrown anyways. Not many "loop" roads to take and out and back type of riding is boring.Walker, yes, it's DNR land so requires the DP.Can't be so. He would not have missed hitting you. Because he's that damn good. (in his own mind).:chuckle:
Careful, don't be causing no resource damage since since your off-road in that photo. :chuckle:
I know, I know, but I'm in the ditch because washelkhunter ran me off the road.......... :tup:
My turn signals for my Rhino get delivered by the the brown truck dude today. Install them an get my inspection - good to go!!
Do you have anyplace to ride, like Walker Valley ? Or, can you ride in Mt Baker NF yet ?
Mount Baker/Snoqualmie NF - That will be a cold day in *blank* before they nod their head on that.
Mt Baker is Conservation NW's backdoor. I guess it won't ever be open.
I spend most of my free time on the east slopes anyways. I live in the rain and try to get away from it whenever possible. :chuckle:
A couple places in particular this will become handy for me as I frequent the areas. The Naneum Forest and it's DNR land - now I can ride off the Naneum and up over the top to Liberty or Lions Rock if I choose too. Same for the LT Murray. I can leave the LT and head west into the Manastash and ride the ORV stuff in there if I want or even go up towards Stampede.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on April 21, 2014, 04:03:39 PM
\Probably not. The vast majority of roads just peter out due to overgrown anyways. Not many "loop" roads to take and out and back type of riding is boring.Walker, yes, it's DNR land so requires the DP.Can't be so. He would not have missed hitting you. Because he's that damn good. (in his own mind).:chuckle:
Careful, don't be causing no resource damage since since your off-road in that photo. :chuckle:
I know, I know, but I'm in the ditch because washelkhunter ran me off the road.......... :tup:
My turn signals for my Rhino get delivered by the the brown truck dude today. Install them an get my inspection - good to go!!
Do you have anyplace to ride, like Walker Valley ? Or, can you ride in Mt Baker NF yet ?
Mount Baker/Snoqualmie NF - That will be a cold day in *blank* before they nod their head on that.
Mt Baker is Conservation NW's backdoor. I guess it won't ever be open.
I spend most of my free time on the east slopes anyways. I live in the rain and try to get away from it whenever possible. :chuckle:
A couple places in particular this will become handy for me as I frequent the areas. The Naneum Forest and it's DNR land - now I can ride off the Naneum and up over the top to Liberty or Lions Rock if I choose too. Same for the LT Murray. I can leave the LT and head west into the Manastash and ride the ORV stuff in there if I want or even go up towards Stampede.
I used to have a 400 hp jeep and we jeeped all over Liberty and LIons Rock, Buck Meadows over the Shoestring and go back home. That was years ago before any commie groups, no passes etc to enjoy OUR lands..
Post by: 6x6in6 on May 01, 2014, 02:41:45 PM
Went to the licensing agent - Got the piece of paper that says good to go.
Strap the Go-Pro on and I'm gonna do ride by video of the "Now Entering National Forest" sign, just for washelk. :chuckle:
Post by: CAMPMEAT on May 01, 2014, 05:30:29 PM
Went thru the dealer inspection today. PASSED.
Went to the licensing agent - Got the piece of paper that says good to go.
Strap the Go-Pro on and I'm gonna do ride by video of the "Now Entering National Forest" sign, just for washelk. :chuckle:
Good for you. Happy camper........
Post by: logger on May 15, 2014, 08:22:40 PM
Post by: ballpark on May 16, 2014, 07:48:43 AM
Oh the temptation to just go look over that ridge or down in that ravine, or look a game trail :sry:
Given the opportunity, let's all help educate the 10% that can't control their temptations. But based on another thread regarding ORV's I have a feeling that isn't going to happen.
Post by: 3dvapor on May 16, 2014, 08:32:06 AM
Post by: ballpark on May 16, 2014, 08:46:03 AM
Post by: grundy53 on May 16, 2014, 09:54:22 AM
Well I got good news to tell you guys. Hahaha. I hope you didnt buy an atv in the last few weeks. Pay attention to the news paper. You guys will enjoy the good news :chuckle:.Which newspaper? There are a few....
And to the people who thought I was pulling your leg and feeding you false info: told ya so.
sent from my typewriter
Post by: ballpark on May 16, 2014, 10:09:40 AM
http://www.fs.usda.gov/detail/okawen/landmanagement/projects/?cid=fsbdev3_053623 (http://www.fs.usda.gov/detail/okawen/landmanagement/projects/?cid=fsbdev3_053623)
Here's your sign :chuckle: I believe this is what the newspaper articles will be quoting from. 2nd link is very useful and full of good maps, just click on your forest area.
Post by: grundy53 on May 16, 2014, 12:00:55 PM
Like I asked before... which one? Or are we suppose to guess?Except stay on the FS roads and designated trails :tup:
Wrong. Roads are out of the mix now. Just trails are ok to ride on. like I said, pay attention to an articke publication coming out.
sent from my typewriter
Post by: 3dvapor on May 16, 2014, 03:14:08 PM
Post by: timberfaller on May 17, 2014, 08:53:30 PM
https://col129.mail.live.com/mail/ViewOfficePreview.aspx?messageid=mgP3Aw0S_e4xGKMWw75adL5A2&folderid=flinbox&attindex=0&cp=-1&attdepth=0&n=19209554
Sounds like they are looking for "technicality's" :bash:
Post by: smittyJ on June 04, 2014, 08:26:55 AM
The 10% that drive off road and on trails closed to them is just going to increase now. Too bad.The 10% are already driving on them, the 90% are abeying the law!
Post by: CAMPMEAT on June 19, 2014, 09:10:56 AM
Post by: sakoshooter on June 19, 2014, 10:05:53 PM
It's more like 99% obey the law and 1% don't. :tup:
The 10% ratio is just a figure of speech Campmeat but holds pretty true for most areas considered. I don't think your area of recreation would be any different. And as far as Okanogan Co and me deer hunting it for 20+yrs, I'd have to say that ATV's have more than abused their privileges and ruined many a hunt for myself and partners. And the damage done in certain instances doesn't heal very fast.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on June 20, 2014, 07:55:49 AM
It's more like 99% obey the law and 1% don't. :tup:
The 10% ratio is just a figure of speech Campmeat but holds pretty true for most areas considered. I don't think your area of recreation would be any different. And as far as Okanogan Co and me deer hunting it for 20+yrs, I'd have to say that ATV's have more than abused their privileges and ruined many a hunt for myself and partners. And the damage done in certain instances doesn't heal very fast.
.........again, you know what part of the state they come from.
Post by: MtnMuley on June 20, 2014, 08:00:34 AM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on June 20, 2014, 08:15:54 AM
.............again, and we know which part of the state YOU came from.
I came over here to get away from all the idiots who do stupid crap and blame it on others......
It doesn't matter what side of the state I came from. You're trying to shift the blame, just like a progressive does.
Where I came from doesn't have squat to do with anything......... :twocents:
Post by: MtnMuley on June 20, 2014, 12:05:29 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on June 20, 2014, 01:30:56 PM
Well then quit talking smack about the problems coming from the wetsiders. You really don't know who is causing the problem, do you? And if you think that 99% obey the laws associated with riding quads, it just goes to show how little you really know. ;)
I'm not talking smack. All you guys do is bitch about YOUR spots being ruined. Well guess what, you come over to the Wenatchee/Okanogan N.F. to YOUR hunting spots and blame US for ruining YOUR spots. If you like coming over here for a couple weeks and are finding out this is a huge problem, DON'T COME OVER. Pretty simple in my book.
Out of all 3 clubs I belong too, NOBODY tears up YOUR spots. The people that belong to all 3 clubs are from 50ish to 84 years old. You never hear about anything like this, until CERTAIN PEOPLE BITCH and most likely, from the westside, because that's where most of the hunters come from.
I don't care if you don't like what I have to say or not. But, I'm not going to be blamed or keep my mouth shut for something that I know isn't the absolute truth. I don't know who is tearing up the meadows, but I bet my guess is better than yours ever will be.....
Post by: MtnMuley on June 20, 2014, 02:47:28 PM
Lastly, there you go stereotyping people again..........."until CERTAIN PEOPLE BITCH and most likely, from the westside"............ :rolleyes:
Post by: sakoshooter on June 21, 2014, 12:05:43 AM
2yrs ago I tooks pics of 3 quads w/4 people on them after they tore the "No Quads" sign off the tree by our camp, then drove up the trail. I took the pics later in the day when they came back thru. Couple days later in Concunully, I called the FS and showed the pics to a few that asked to see them - a few locals recognized them as "locals" that are always breaking the laws with their quads. The FS had me email them the pics but said they couldn't do anything unless they caught them red handed. I was also told that the local snomobile club hates those quad guys that ruin their trails that prohibit quads.
Be careful who you point your finger at.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on June 21, 2014, 06:51:35 AM
Only west siders doing the damage Campmeat? :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
2yrs ago I tooks pics of 3 quads w/4 people on them after they tore the "No Quads" sign off the tree by our camp, then drove up the trail. I took the pics later in the day when they came back thru. Couple days later in Concunully, I called the FS and showed the pics to a few that asked to see them - a few locals recognized them as "locals" that are always breaking the laws with their quads. The FS had me email them the pics but said they couldn't do anything unless they caught them red handed. I was also told that the local snomobile club hates those quad guys that ruin their trails that prohibit quads.
Be careful who you point your finger at.
Are you threatening me ?
Post by: MtnMuley on June 21, 2014, 07:01:19 AM
Also, jeez you're vicious sakoshooter :chuckle:
Post by: sakoshooter on June 21, 2014, 12:16:35 PM
Only west siders doing the damage Campmeat? :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
2yrs ago I tooks pics of 3 quads w/4 people on them after they tore the "No Quads" sign off the tree by our camp, then drove up the trail. I took the pics later in the day when they came back thru. Couple days later in Concunully, I called the FS and showed the pics to a few that asked to see them - a few locals recognized them as "locals" that are always breaking the laws with their quads. The FS had me email them the pics but said they couldn't do anything unless they caught them red handed. I was also told that the local snomobile club hates those quad guys that ruin their trails that prohibit quads.
Be careful who you point your finger at.
Are you threatening me ?
Threat? Not at all. Just pointing out the obvious. You seem to think that everyone in WA except you and your neighbors are the problem. The folks in the pics were from your neck of the woods.
What surprized me was that they were my age. You'd think that older folks would have more respect for posted signs and their sport.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on June 21, 2014, 05:39:23 PM
Post by: smittyJ on June 22, 2014, 07:41:41 AM
So, you're the one!!! LOL!!\Probably not. The vast majority of roads just peter out due to overgrown anyways. Not many "loop" roads to take and out and back type of riding is boring.Walker, yes, it's DNR land so requires the DP.Can't be so. He would not have missed hitting you. Because he's that damn good. (in his own mind).:chuckle:
Careful, don't be causing no resource damage since since your off-road in that photo. :chuckle:
I know, I know, but I'm in the ditch because washelkhunter ran me off the road.......... :tup:
My turn signals for my Rhino get delivered by the the brown truck dude today. Install them an get my inspection - good to go!!
Do you have anyplace to ride, like Walker Valley ? Or, can you ride in Mt Baker NF yet ?
Mount Baker/Snoqualmie NF - That will be a cold day in *blank* before they nod their head on that.
Mt Baker is Conservation NW's backdoor. I guess it won't ever be open.
I spend most of my free time on the east slopes anyways. I live in the rain and try to get away from it whenever possible. :chuckle:
A couple places in particular this will become handy for me as I frequent the areas. The Naneum Forest and it's DNR land - now I can ride off the Naneum and up over the top to Liberty or Lions Rock if I choose too. Same for the LT Murray. I can leave the LT and head west into the Manastash and ride the ORV stuff in there if I want or even go up towards Stampede.
I used to have a 400 hp jeep and we jeeped all over Liberty and LIons Rock, Buck Meadows over the Shoestring and go back home. That was years ago before any commie groups, no passes etc to enjoy OUR lands..
Post by: CAMPMEAT on June 22, 2014, 11:05:42 AM
So, you're the one!!! LOL!!\Probably not. The vast majority of roads just peter out due to overgrown anyways. Not many "loop" roads to take and out and back type of riding is boring.Walker, yes, it's DNR land so requires the DP.Can't be so. He would not have missed hitting you. Because he's that damn good. (in his own mind).:chuckle:
Careful, don't be causing no resource damage since since your off-road in that photo. :chuckle:
I know, I know, but I'm in the ditch because washelkhunter ran me off the road.......... :tup:
My turn signals for my Rhino get delivered by the the brown truck dude today. Install them an get my inspection - good to go!!
Do you have anyplace to ride, like Walker Valley ? Or, can you ride in Mt Baker NF yet ?
Mount Baker/Snoqualmie NF - That will be a cold day in *blank* before they nod their head on that.
Mt Baker is Conservation NW's backdoor. I guess it won't ever be open.
I spend most of my free time on the east slopes anyways. I live in the rain and try to get away from it whenever possible. :chuckle:
A couple places in particular this will become handy for me as I frequent the areas. The Naneum Forest and it's DNR land - now I can ride off the Naneum and up over the top to Liberty or Lions Rock if I choose too. Same for the LT Murray. I can leave the LT and head west into the Manastash and ride the ORV stuff in there if I want or even go up towards Stampede.
I used to have a 400 hp jeep and we jeeped all over Liberty and LIons Rock, Buck Meadows over the Shoestring and go back home. That was years ago before any commie groups, no passes etc to enjoy OUR lands..
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Must be, because it was LEGAL then......... :tup: