Post by: Ridgerunner on April 21, 2014, 09:03:15 AM
Post by: starbailey on April 21, 2014, 09:40:00 AM
Post by: fishngamereaper on April 21, 2014, 03:44:31 PM
Everyone apply for goat rocks again and I will tell you how the hunting is in Olympics.
Post by: Big6bull on April 21, 2014, 06:14:47 PM
Link I found
http://www.peninsuladailynews.com/article/20120830/NEWS/120839999/hikers-feeding-mountain-goats-keeps-popular-olympic-national-forest (http://www.peninsuladailynews.com/article/20120830/NEWS/120839999/hikers-feeding-mountain-goats-keeps-popular-olympic-national-forest)
Post by: dreamunelk on April 21, 2014, 07:18:36 PM
There are no goats in the Olympics...... :chuckle:
Everyone apply for goat rocks again and I will tell you how the hunting is in Olympics.
:yeah:
I sacrifice my time to explore this also. Promise I will give good report.
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on April 21, 2014, 07:28:55 PM
There are no goats in the Olympics...... :chuckle:
Everyone apply for goat rocks again and I will tell you how the hunting is in Olympics.
:yeah:
I sacrifice my time to explore this also. Promise I will give good report.
Everyone put in for the Olympics since it hasn't been hunted in years, and I will tell you how dismal the hunting in avalanche gorge is. :tup:
Post by: pd on April 21, 2014, 08:58:10 PM
There are no goats in the Olympics......
No talking in the library. Shhhhhhhhhhhh.
Post by: actionshooter on April 21, 2014, 09:29:00 PM
I'm just glad to see goat permits move in a positive direction for once.
Yep, Excited to see this.
Post by: blacktailer on April 22, 2014, 08:57:06 AM
Post by: 180-GRAIN on April 22, 2014, 05:37:20 PM
Post by: billythekidrock on April 22, 2014, 05:51:24 PM
I'm just glad to see goat permits move in a positive direction for once.
Yep, Excited to see this.
Glad to see this in the regs.. hate seeing it on the internet.
Post by: snowpack on April 22, 2014, 06:00:00 PM
Post by: pd on April 22, 2014, 06:07:37 PM
Why do you guys think they haven't been getting hunted? Tribes never lost the season. Think the Skoks got two last fall down near Mt Washington.
Snowpack, I don't follow your logic. The Olympic hunt has returned because tribal hunting has continued? What is the connection?
Post by: snowpack on April 22, 2014, 06:15:56 PM
Saying that it is not like the area hasn't been hunted.Why do you guys think they haven't been getting hunted? Tribes never lost the season. Think the Skoks got two last fall down near Mt Washington.
Snowpack, I don't follow your logic. The Olympic hunt has returned because tribal hunting has continued? What is the connection?
Post by: pd on April 22, 2014, 07:39:45 PM
Saying that it is not like the area hasn't been hunted.
Gotcha. If that is the case I would question why there is a tribal harvest (of goats), but no non-tribal harvest. But I am not getting into that morass. Thanks for the information; I didn't know some of the tribes were hunting goats in the Olympics.
Post by: Ridgerunner on April 23, 2014, 05:52:51 AM
Post by: grundy53 on April 23, 2014, 05:55:46 AM
Interesting the tribes are hunting a non native species. One that was introduced well after treaties were signed, very interesting.:yeah:
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Post by: shanevg on April 25, 2014, 07:15:35 AM
Frustrating to see the least to say tribes harvesting more goats out of a single herd then the rest of the state is legally allowed to "sustainably" harvest statewide in a given year.
Post by: Bwana Bob on April 25, 2014, 08:09:46 AM
Anybody know who to call about the goats there?
Too bad they can't or won't open areas that have fewer than 100 goats on a rotating basis, say every 5th year, for thew taking of one goat. I kill my goat in 92 in the gold creek area of Snoq pass. There must be some goats left in that area. I saw over 40 when I hunted it back then. (http://)
Post by: Tbar on April 25, 2014, 08:34:23 AM
Tribal hunting continues in a lot of closed areas. I know of 8-10 goats at least in the last couple years that were harvested by tribal members in areas around Mt Baker that WDFW says don't have huntable populations. At least one was a transient goat that WDFW was tracking and thought was trying to set up a new population on a new mountain.8-10 at least? Just curious where you are getting your info. NWIFC? WDFW? Not saying it didn't happen just wanting info sources if it did? There is supposed to be mandatory reporting by the tribes in the Mt Baker area, they have been spending money and resources doing research for the last 15 or so years that I'm aware of.
Frustrating to see the least to say tribes harvesting more goats out of a single herd then the rest of the state is legally allowed to "sustainably" harvest statewide in a given year.
Post by: shanevg on April 25, 2014, 08:47:28 AM
8-10 at least? Just curious where you are getting your info. NWIFC? WDFW? Not saying it didn't happen just wanting info sources if it did? There is supposed to be mandatory reporting by the tribes in the Mt Baker area, they have been spending money and resources doing research for the last 15 or so years that I'm aware of.
Some through first hand reports, some through second hand reports, some through pictures texted to me, at least one through report of a dead goat that WDFW attributed to tribal hunters.
I've not heard anything about local tribes reporting harvest of goats to WDFW although I could easily be wrong.
Post by: Tbar on April 25, 2014, 01:19:36 PM
Most report to nwifc, who then report and work with the wdfw (this should be any tribe hunting Baker). Several of the tribes even have quotas (the quota is I believe 2), that usually go unfilled. If you have first hand knowledge that's one thing but "at least 8-10" is a large claim. I don't doubt that a few go unreported but I know for fact this is something the tribes are trying to keep tabs on in the Baker area for management reasons moving forward. I also know goat hunters are a select group and that terrain is not for the average Joe. There are a few select areas that you and I probably both know where goats are vulnerable but those areas are few and far between.8-10 at least? Just curious where you are getting your info. NWIFC? WDFW? Not saying it didn't happen just wanting info sources if it did? There is supposed to be mandatory reporting by the tribes in the Mt Baker area, they have been spending money and resources doing research for the last 15 or so years that I'm aware of.
Some through first hand reports, some through second hand reports, some through pictures texted to me, at least one through report of a dead goat that WDFW attributed to tribal hunters.
I've not heard anything about local tribes reporting harvest of goats to WDFW although I could easily be wrong.
Post by: MarkyMark on April 25, 2014, 01:27:41 PM
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on April 25, 2014, 01:34:42 PM
Post by: X-Force on April 25, 2014, 01:36:00 PM
Most report to nwifc, who then report and work with the wdfw (this should be any tribe hunting Baker). Several of the tribes even have quotas (the quota is I believe 2), that usually go unfilled. If you have first hand knowledge that's one thing but "at least 8-10" is a large claim. I don't doubt that a few go unreported but I know for fact this is something the tribes are trying to keep tabs on in the Baker area for management reasons moving forward. I also know goat hunters are a select group and that terrain is not for the average Joe. There are a few select areas that you and I probably both know where goats are vulnerable but those areas are few and far between.8-10 at least? Just curious where you are getting your info. NWIFC? WDFW? Not saying it didn't happen just wanting info sources if it did? There is supposed to be mandatory reporting by the tribes in the Mt Baker area, they have been spending money and resources doing research for the last 15 or so years that I'm aware of.
Some through first hand reports, some through second hand reports, some through pictures texted to me, at least one through report of a dead goat that WDFW attributed to tribal hunters.
I've not heard anything about local tribes reporting harvest of goats to WDFW although I could easily be wrong.
I know of at least one tribe that has OTC goat tags and every unit north of I90 to the PCT is open to them. Guys I know often hunt north of Mt Baker hwy and around white horse. I don't know how many goats tribal members harvest but I wouldn't be surprised by Shane's numbers.
Post by: 3nails on April 25, 2014, 02:00:18 PM
His claim may actually be conservative. I don't want to get into it but one herd in particular gets hit pretty hard. A herd that is outside of the management areas.Most report to nwifc, who then report and work with the wdfw (this should be any tribe hunting Baker). Several of the tribes even have quotas (the quota is I believe 2), that usually go unfilled. If you have first hand knowledge that's one thing but "at least 8-10" is a large claim. I don't doubt that a few go unreported but I know for fact this is something the tribes are trying to keep tabs on in the Baker area for management reasons moving forward. I also know goat hunters are a select group and that terrain is not for the average Joe. There are a few select areas that you and I probably both know where goats are vulnerable but those areas are few and far between.8-10 at least? Just curious where you are getting your info. NWIFC? WDFW? Not saying it didn't happen just wanting info sources if it did? There is supposed to be mandatory reporting by the tribes in the Mt Baker area, they have been spending money and resources doing research for the last 15 or so years that I'm aware of.
Some through first hand reports, some through second hand reports, some through pictures texted to me, at least one through report of a dead goat that WDFW attributed to tribal hunters.
I've not heard anything about local tribes reporting harvest of goats to WDFW although I could easily be wrong.
Post by: asl20bball on April 25, 2014, 02:54:10 PM
Honest question here, why do people hunt mountain goats? Are they good eatin'? Or is it just for something to do?
1. Good eating
2. Wildlife conservation (most important reason)
3. And yes, something to do.
Post by: shanevg on April 25, 2014, 03:40:38 PM
Granted that was 2-3 years ago now so things may have changed since then.
Also when WWU was doing a bunch of research projects up there I knew a bunch of the students and they were very curious how many goats I thought were poached or shot by tribal hunters. They made pretty clear that they were very unsure how many goats are killed in a given year because of unreported tribal hunting and/or poaching.
Post by: tonymoe on April 25, 2014, 04:00:02 PM
Did you see that the avg point draw was 0?
That's fish in a barrel with my points!!!!!!
Post by: Tbar on April 25, 2014, 04:23:26 PM
I'm surprised by the quota you list as well. I was told first hand by a member of a local tribe that they were allowed to shoot one goat per family in the tribe and that tags were transferable so he could shoot pretty much as many goats as he wants. Another first hand report was from someone on the tribal council whose wife shot one and he told me he was out helping look for two other goat hunters who were lost after they chased a wounded goat and got cliffed out. That search was even done by local mountain rescue with a police report and everything.There are a unregulated # of tags out there by certain tribes, I think I know which tribe you are talking about. I also know who was the cooperative partner doing the study with WWU. I will look into how many goats were taken if they give up the info (a coin flip at best). I still am wondering about the 8-10 and now a claim that that's on the conservative side. .. I will do some digging but like I said before and your first hand knowledge(the mountain rescue), goat country is for a select few.
Granted that was 2-3 years ago now so things may have changed since then.
Also when WWU was doing a bunch of research projects up there I knew a bunch of the students and they were very curious how many goats I thought were poached or shot by tribal hunters. They made pretty clear that they were very unsure how many goats are killed in a given year because of unreported tribal hunting and/or poaching.
I am still not even doubting you claim, it's just a significant number when speaking of a highly volatile population in the area of 450 +/-.
Post by: snowpack on April 25, 2014, 04:51:51 PM
Post by: shanevg on April 25, 2014, 07:15:36 PM
There are a unregulated # of tags out there by certain tribes, I think I know which tribe you are talking about. I also know who was the cooperative partner doing the study with WWU. I will look into how many goats were taken if they give up the info (a coin flip at best). I still am wondering about the 8-10 and now a claim that that's on the conservative side. .. I will do some digging but like I said before and your first hand knowledge(the mountain rescue), goat country is for a select few.
I am still not even doubting you claim, it's just a significant number when speaking of a highly volatile population in the area of 450 +/-.
Would love to be wrong and would love to hear what you find.
Post by: rosscrazyelk on April 27, 2014, 06:33:51 AM
:chuckle: