Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on April 22, 2014, 04:02:20 PM
Post by: sirmissalot on April 22, 2014, 04:04:08 PM
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on April 22, 2014, 04:15:19 PM
Post by: bobcat on April 22, 2014, 04:25:24 PM
Post by: Eli346 on April 22, 2014, 04:30:47 PM
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on April 22, 2014, 04:33:31 PM
Thanks eli
Post by: billythekidrock on April 22, 2014, 04:42:32 PM
Barely any in the Margaret. Toutle has a large chunk of state land, but there's no guarantee that Weyerhaeuser will allow access through their land to get to it.
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Post by: sirmissalot on April 22, 2014, 06:19:15 PM
Barely any in the Margaret.
:chuckle:
Barely any. Right.
Post by: RadSav on April 22, 2014, 06:30:57 PM
Just take a left at the Toutle store and go about 2 miles and it's on the right. Can't remember the name of the road but it's easy to find on Google Earth.
I hope you are headed west when you take that left at the store :chuckle: Otherwise you will need to go a lot further than 2 miles before you hit the sediment dam and take a right!
Post by: kentrek on April 22, 2014, 07:07:06 PM
Just take a left at the Toutle store and go about 2 miles and it's on the right. Can't remember the name of the road but it's easy to find on Google Earth.
I hope you are headed west when you take that left at the store :chuckle: Otherwise you will need to go a lot further than 2 miles before you hit the sediment dam and take a right!
He was going in reverse out a drews :chuckle:
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on April 23, 2014, 07:47:12 AM
Post by: bobcat on April 23, 2014, 07:52:58 AM
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Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on April 23, 2014, 08:16:14 AM
Post by: grundy53 on April 23, 2014, 08:22:40 AM
That's a broad question. When where what season? If they just did away with east and west they would increase quality permits for all the east side hunts by a ton. Yes some eastsiders would come west but then again some westsiders would go east. I wouldn't care if they got rid of certain rifle seasons to increase archery permits.Well that's awfully thoughtful of you. Giving up other people's hunts to help you.... They don't need as many quality permits on the west side as they do on the eastside because the general seasons are already open to branch antlered bulls. Unlike the eastside.
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Post by: bobcat on April 23, 2014, 08:23:37 AM
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Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on April 23, 2014, 08:28:56 AM
That's a broad question. When where what season? If they just did away with east and west they would increase quality permits for all the east side hunts by a ton. Yes some eastsiders would come west but then again some westsiders would go east. I wouldn't care if they got rid of certain rifle seasons to increase archery permits.Well that's awfully thoughtful of you. Giving up other people's hunts to help you.... They don't need as many quality permits on the west side as they do on the eastside because the general seasons are already open to branch antlered bulls. Unlike the eastside.
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I wasn't serious about doing away with certain rifle seasons. Just a stupid answer to a stupid question. Apparently a rhetorical question. Bobcat I completely agree with you on your last comment.
Post by: kentrek on April 23, 2014, 10:42:03 AM
Post by: Clearcut on April 23, 2014, 10:52:52 AM
Post by: Jburke on April 23, 2014, 10:59:24 AM
If they just did away with east and west they would increase quality permits for all the east side hunts by a ton. Yes some eastsiders would come west but then again some westsiders would go east.How will this increase the number of quality permits in any way?
Post by: WSU on April 23, 2014, 11:14:55 AM
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on April 23, 2014, 02:40:09 PM
If they just did away with east and west they would increase quality permits for all the east side hunts by a ton. Yes some eastsiders would come west but then again some westsiders would go east.How will this increase the number of quality permits in any way?
it would greatly expand my choices as a westside archery hunter. By like 20 different permits.
Post by: Jburke on April 24, 2014, 01:12:36 AM
I'm still not following you. By eliminating the need to choose east or west, it will not add any more permits. It would only allow a person to have more options. It will not change the number of permits that are given out.If they just did away with east and west they would increase quality permits for all the east side hunts by a ton. Yes some eastsiders would come west but then again some westsiders would go east.How will this increase the number of quality permits in any way?
it would greatly expand my choices as a westside archery hunter. By like 20 different permits.
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on April 24, 2014, 06:30:17 AM
Post by: Big6bull on April 24, 2014, 08:20:01 AM
I'm not talking about adding more hunts. Just giving westsiders archers more options. If westsiders archers could put in out eastit would increase the options by a lot of special permits. If you still don't understand then I can't help you. I you understand but don't agree and prefer the seasons the way they are then I respect your opinion but also respecfully dissagree.
It would give more otions but it make any good hunt a lot harder to draw... Even worse than now ...
Post by: D-Rock425 on April 24, 2014, 08:31:21 AM
I'm not talking about adding more hunts. Just giving westsiders archers more options. If westsiders archers could put in out eastit would increase the options by a lot of special permits. If you still don't understand then I can't help you. I you understand but don't agree and prefer the seasons the way they are then I respect your opinion but also respecfully dissagree.this would really suck for eastside hunters. 90% of the westside hunters would put in for eastside tags.
Post by: Big6bull on April 24, 2014, 08:32:49 AM
:yeah:I'm not talking about adding more hunts. Just giving westsiders archers more options. If westsiders archers could put in out eastit would increase the options by a lot of special permits. If you still don't understand then I can't help you. I you understand but don't agree and prefer the seasons the way they are then I respect your opinion but also respecfully dissagree.this would really suck for eastside hunters. 90% of the westside hunters would put in for eastside tags.
Post by: sirmissalot on April 24, 2014, 08:40:35 AM
Post by: D-Rock425 on April 24, 2014, 08:48:56 AM
Post by: Ccortez on April 24, 2014, 09:00:22 AM
You guys can put in for nooksack too. I just looked and archery hunters with that tag had a 54 day split season. Even I could get it done in 54 days.:bdid:
There's no elk in the Nooksack
Post by: D-Rock425 on April 24, 2014, 09:05:13 AM
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on April 24, 2014, 10:16:27 AM
Post by: bobcat on April 24, 2014, 10:24:47 AM
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Post by: billythekidrock on April 24, 2014, 06:13:00 PM
that was my first choice. My second was the toutle. The nook I have a better chance of getting struck by lightning than to draw. And the toutle is like 5% chance. the toutle is hardly a quality hunt and is harder to draw than the premium tags out east, by a substantial amount.
These were the two I applied for last year, in the same order. I drew Toutle as my second choice with 4 points.
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on April 24, 2014, 06:26:57 PM
You guys can put in for nooksack too. I just looked and archery hunters with that tag had a 54 day split season. Even I could get it done in 54 days.Not as easy as you think :chuckle: I have talked to a few people who went home empty handed ...Besides if you want to just put in for points go ahead and apply but the chances really stink ... they would rather let the Indians kill them :bash: :bash: just saying D-Rock ..
Post by: jackelope on April 24, 2014, 06:33:32 PM
Post by: kentrek on April 24, 2014, 06:40:34 PM
that was my first choice. My second was the toutle. The nook I have a better chance of getting struck by lightning than to draw. And the toutle is like 5% chance. the toutle is hardly a quality hunt and is harder to draw than the premium tags out east, by a substantial amount.
These were the two I applied for last year, in the same order. I drew Toutle as my second choice with 4 points.
How was your hunt ?
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on April 24, 2014, 06:54:15 PM
1 in 4 odds in Rimrock? Huh? You must have a ton of points.
No I will have four this year. Average points for 2013 were 5. 96 tags 423 apps. Yeah my odds would be just under 1-4. 1-5 at worst that's assuming a majority put in with more points than me. And I bet a majority put in for that hunt with similar amount of points as I have this year 4.
Post by: billythekidrock on April 24, 2014, 07:00:21 PM
that was my first choice. My second was the toutle. The nook I have a better chance of getting struck by lightning than to draw. And the toutle is like 5% chance. the toutle is hardly a quality hunt and is harder to draw than the premium tags out east, by a substantial amount.
These were the two I applied for last year, in the same order. I drew Toutle as my second choice with 4 points.
How was your hunt ?
It was ok.
I saw a few bulls in the Toutle and missed one good opportunity. Ended up killing a cow in the Skook during the late season.
Post by: jackelope on April 24, 2014, 07:18:28 PM
1 in 4 odds in Rimrock? Huh? You must have a ton of points.
No I will have four this year. Average points for 2013 were 5. 96 tags 423 apps. Yeah my odds would be just under 1-4. 1-5 at worst that's assuming a majority put in with more points than me. And I bet a majority put in for that hunt with similar amount of points as I have this year 4.
Noooooo. How many points did each of those applicants have? Average points means not much. Your odds are off. Have Bob33 show you your real odds.
Post by: bobcat on April 24, 2014, 08:56:41 PM
Although with the access permits being required for most areas here in SW Washington, I think odds for eastside permits will be drastically less than what the numbers show.
Post by: jackelope on April 25, 2014, 07:11:33 AM
Actually that's pretty close according to the odds that idahohunter posted. His numbers actually show 1 in 3 odds for someone with 4 points.
Although with the access permits being required for most areas here in SW Washington, I think odds for eastside permits will be drastically less than what the numbers show.
Huh no kidding...
Post by: Jburke on April 25, 2014, 11:26:14 AM
I'm not talking about adding more hunts. Just giving westsiders archers more options. If westsiders archers could put in out eastit would increase the options by a lot of special permits. If you still don't understand then I can't help you. I you understand but don't agree and prefer the seasons the way they are then I respect your opinion but also respecfully dissagree.I get what you're saying now. Your original post made it sound like you meant there would be more permits. It would give everyone more options. The odds already aren't great for a quality tag though, and that would only make them worse in my opinion.
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on April 25, 2014, 12:02:12 PM
Post by: Bullkllr on April 25, 2014, 04:19:55 PM
Post by: Jburke on April 26, 2014, 01:14:59 AM
I agree. Much harder. I will draw multi one year hopefully before I burn my points in the toutle.I wish I had the time to really invest in using a multi season tag. I had a multi season deer tag a couple years ago and also drew a second deer tag. I got pretty good use out of it that year, but I was stretched pretty thin on vacation afterward and my buddy and I wanted to fill our second tag before we went hunting for bucks cut in to the quality of the hunt. We spent more time trying to fill our doe tags than we had planned and it cut short the rest of the time off I had.
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on April 26, 2014, 07:04:50 AM
Toutle used to be a draw you could count on every few years..."point inflation" has really hit hard, hasn't it?
It doesn't seem that the point inflation has had to big of an effect. It's just 50 permits and 1500 apps. Then if you added the points for each app I bet I don't even have a 2% chance at that tag.
The eastside is some fun hunting. I could have killed a calf the year I hunted out there. Had her at like ten feet full draw and second geussed killing her. I wanted momma cow and they busted me. My grandfather said I passed on the tenderest steaks ever. I know four different areas out east pretty well. We'll enough to find elk in when I do go east. I wounder when my area I elk hunt goes permit. There's already permit area around me where I hunt so hopefully they never go permit.