Post by: sakoshooter on April 29, 2014, 10:19:14 AM
Other than the WDFW gets $13.70(quality) vs $7.10 for a ''bull'' application.
I think a "quality" archery hunt should run an extra week to put it more in the rut without any other archers in the field other than "quality" hunt tag holders. If not, reduce the applicaton fee to $7.10 and stop ripping off the hunter.
Post by: vandeman17 on April 29, 2014, 10:27:30 AM
Post by: bobcat on April 29, 2014, 10:41:08 AM
You think the eastside elk permits are bad- look at the west side. I'm having trouble finding anything worth applying for in the quality elk hunts. Oh and by the way, when is Margaret and Toutle going to be opened up for general season? According to rumor, it should have gone to a general season last year. :dunno:
Post by: D-Rock425 on April 29, 2014, 10:52:56 AM
Post by: sakoshooter on April 30, 2014, 03:06:04 AM
Post by: RadSav on April 30, 2014, 05:50:53 AM
Don't forget about nooksack bobcat and its 50 something day season.
Bowhunter45 says there are no quality elk in the Nook. I think he also said we have to live within 15 minutes of his house or we aren't allowed to apply :chuckle:
Post by: Bullkllr on April 30, 2014, 06:22:21 AM
In my view that has been a pretty idle, if on-going rumor. Even if it makes sense from a "quality" hunt perspective, why would DFW put those units in to general seasons when thousands of application fees are collected each year...because there really isn't much else at all to put in for?
You think the eastside elk permits are bad- look at the west side. I'm having trouble finding anything worth applying for in the quality elk hunts. Oh and by the way, when is Margaret and Toutle going to be opened up for general season? According to rumor, it should have gone to a general season last year. :dunno:
Post by: sakoshooter on May 01, 2014, 03:18:54 AM
In my view that has been a pretty idle, if on-going rumor. Even if it makes sense from a "quality" hunt perspective, why would DFW put those units in to general seasons when thousands of application fees are collected each year...because there really isn't much else at all to put in for?
You think the eastside elk permits are bad- look at the west side. I'm having trouble finding anything worth applying for in the quality elk hunts. Oh and by the way, when is Margaret and Toutle going to be opened up for general season? According to rumor, it should have gone to a general season last year. :dunno:
Because they said they would right after the elk herds stabilized. They said this when they switched east side elk to spike only. They said they'd open it back up to branched antler bulls as soon as the bull to cow ratios came up. Well boys and girls, it's been opened back up for branched antlered bulls by drawing only and only after the WDFW soaks us all for a few million $$$ first.
Post by: RadSav on May 01, 2014, 04:01:05 AM
They said this when they switched east side elk to spike only. They said they'd open it back up to branched antler bulls as soon as the bull to cow ratios came up. Well boys and girls, it's been opened back up for branched antlered bulls by drawing only and only after the WDFW soaks us all for a few million $$$ first.
You didn't actually believe a government agency when they told you, "We'll take from you today, but we'll give it back to you tomorrow." Did you? :chuckle: In political speak the word "Give Back" has a different meaning. In Webster's Political Dictionary the definition of "Give Back" means, "Oh, you are so screwed it makes us laugh." >:(
I can't ever remember a government plan that put it's fingers around my throat and ever let go. I think cause of death in America is a conspiracy. I believe the leading cause of death is "choking or asphyxiation" stemming from Uncle Sam strangling the ever living crap out of a man.
Post by: RadSav on May 01, 2014, 04:20:32 AM
Half of the WF user groups best "Quality Bull Elk" hunts fall into the General Early Archery elk season. Sure we have an earlier non-peak rut hunt. But we also get first crack at them. And it costs us nothing but the general license fees.
I do think we should at least be given the opportunity to draw for a late season bull tag in many of these general areas where we only get cows now. But I'll take first crack in early September over limited permit chances a week later every time. Especially with my drawing luck ;)
Archers have some dang good early bull opportunities on the west side. Had a lot more before WDFW decided to let our southwest herd just die off with their "Do nothing/Ignore the problem" policy.
Post by: D-Rock425 on May 01, 2014, 07:04:15 AM
Post by: Fullabull on May 01, 2014, 09:42:38 AM
Post by: bobcat on May 01, 2014, 09:46:21 AM
Allowing the Quality permit archery hunters to hunt a week past general season would help to make the branch bull harvest more equitable.
Now that's a good idea that even the WDFW might agree to.
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Post by: D-Rock425 on May 01, 2014, 09:54:23 AM
Post by: Band on May 01, 2014, 01:00:17 PM
I don't see a reason not to give out a few late season bull tags in most areas.They do! And you don't even have to apply, pay for them, or observe a limit. The only catch is that you have to belong to a tribe. 8)
Post by: sakoshooter on May 02, 2014, 02:57:48 AM
Allowing the Quality permit archery hunters to hunt a week past general season would help to make the branch bull harvest more equitable.
That's exactly what I had in mind. That would be considered "quality" time.
Post by: bobcat on May 02, 2014, 07:29:56 AM
Post by: Rainier10 on May 02, 2014, 08:01:40 AM
Allowing the Quality permit archery hunters to hunt a week past general season would help to make the branch bull harvest more equitable.I know this would be great especially this year if I draw on the east side. Things just start ramping up in my area around the 14th. Hunting cows and spikes isn't bad early but if you had a big bull tag it would be nice to be hunting the 14th -21st.
Of course all would be solved if they just changed back to a fixed season of the 8th-21st, at least where I hunt it would help.
Post by: Fullabull on May 02, 2014, 10:24:20 AM
Only problem with that is then they'd have to do something similar wih the muzzleloader quality elk hunts. I guess they'd have to move the opening date ahead by a week, so instead of being October 4th this year, it would be September 27th.
If that is the case then the ML season should follow the archer season by moving by however many days the archery season does. The archery season moves from Sept 2nd to the 8th for starting dates, so the ML season should follow that model. That way the week after archer or before ML will have the same affect.
Post by: xXLojackXx on May 02, 2014, 11:07:26 AM
Post by: fair-chase on May 02, 2014, 11:09:06 AM
So what's the difference between bull permits and quality permits?
About $6.00
Post by: sakoshooter on May 03, 2014, 11:24:28 PM
So what's the difference between bull permits and quality permits?
About $6.00
$6 times ? applicants = $Thousands.
In all fairness to US, it should cost $7.10 not $13.70