Post by: blackdog on May 02, 2014, 06:49:04 PM
Post by: Dave Workman on May 02, 2014, 07:45:04 PM
Hunters absolutely need to get involved in this. Sit back, remain silent, passive, apathetic and you screw yourselves. :tup:
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on May 03, 2014, 10:26:12 AM
I already jumped into this with both feet.
Hunters absolutely need to get involved in this. Sit back, remain silent, passive, apathetic and you screw yourselves. :tup:
Saw you over there.......We know the granolas will be all over it ......so we need to participate, as do the motorized access folks should too.
Post by: buckfvr on May 03, 2014, 11:56:56 AM
Id be thrilled to see other user groups pony up and start paying their fair share. A good place to start would be wolf supporters............they should buy tags to put on their vehicle windows ( I know bicycles dont have windows ) to show their PAID support for wolves to accompany their lip service. :twocents: After all, wdfw is spending our monies for wolves most of us dont want.
Maybe we should attempt to defund the wolves as non-supporters, and let monies from only those who support wolves pay their bill. How many current supposed supporters would put their money where their mouth is.....Im thinking support would diminish if their is financial responsibility to go with it.
Post by: blackdog on May 03, 2014, 01:28:45 PM
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on May 03, 2014, 07:16:06 PM
I'm not seeing must interest on there by hunters! :dunno:
I'm on there and Sure AS HELL didn't propose "art in the parks"!!! I am a 50 year hunter but also a 4 wheeler, Quad, and Snowmobile enthusiast. So I am for what some hunters may have a problem with........along with hunting. We are not alone and should be careful who we jump in bed with.............
PS........ Read Bearpaws signature...........
Post by: buckfvr on May 03, 2014, 07:19:36 PM
Maybe theyd like all parks to be like Volunteer Park................... :yike:
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on May 03, 2014, 07:42:34 PM
Post by: bearpaw on May 03, 2014, 08:00:16 PM
I already jumped into this with both feet.
Hunters absolutely need to get involved in this. Sit back, remain silent, passive, apathetic and you screw yourselves. :tup:
Dave is absolutely right, this is why I agreed to the appointment, we must make ourselves heard or we'll be left out. It only takes a few minutes to join the community and post your comments and add stars to the other comments you like.
Your involvement is needed! We look forward to hearing from you. :tup:
Engage Outdoor Washington (http://www.engageoutdoorwashington.com/)
Post by: buckfvr on May 03, 2014, 08:28:55 PM
I get the feeling its not quite going where they hoped it would. I think the ideas they really want are represented by solutions. Ideas on how to make it happen start to finish.
So far its mostly whining............ :dunno: :chuckle:
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on May 04, 2014, 08:33:14 AM
Post by: huntrights on May 04, 2014, 06:51:29 PM
Yes, the voices of hunters, anglers, and all outdoor enthusiasts must be heard.
Bearpaw's signature line is good to note here:
"Americans are systematically advocating, legislating, and voting away each others rights. Support all user groups and quit losing opportunity."
With that said, let our voices be heard.
:twocents:
Important notes:
1) When commenting or participating via the website remember you are acting as a representative of the hunting community. People need to know that we are the conservationists, good stewards of our environment and our wildlife, good citizens, responsible, safe with the tools we use to harvest game, etc.
2) Be respectful.
3) Be professional.
4) Know your facts and cite your sources.
5) Try to understand the views of other user groups. First seek to understand, then seek to be understood.
6) If you have valid suggestions/solutions, let them be known.
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on May 05, 2014, 10:48:35 AM
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on May 05, 2014, 01:05:08 PM
perhaps we should have events to get kids interested in activities that do not impact the environment; photography, painting, bird watching and other such activities should be encouraged over resource intensive recreation such as hunting and fishing. Take only pictures, leave only footprints.
Is also saying this
I agree, this website doesn't work very well and (at least so far) has not reached a wide enough range of people.
Keep it up because they will show up eventually
Post by: Special T on May 05, 2014, 01:10:34 PM
Post by: baldopepper on May 05, 2014, 01:13:06 PM
Post by: buckfvr on May 05, 2014, 01:37:23 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on May 05, 2014, 02:11:01 PM
Post by: snowpack on May 05, 2014, 02:58:39 PM
I posted and don't see any other comments. :dunno:They send you an email to verify the account before it displays your comments. Then click 'activity' in the upper left to see all the ideas and comments.
Post by: pianoman9701 on May 05, 2014, 03:00:27 PM
Post by: buckfvr on May 05, 2014, 03:44:18 PM
Post by: mfswallace on May 05, 2014, 03:55:55 PM
I'm sending a link to all in my email who might take the time to share a comment or make a suggestion...
Post by: fireweed on May 05, 2014, 04:12:24 PM
Got it finally. Thanks. Andy Z is a real piece of work.Pretty sure he is my neighbor!
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on May 05, 2014, 04:27:48 PM
You noticed that too huh ? :chuckle:
He's :chuckle: not gonna like my last comment :chuckle:
Post by: snowpack on May 05, 2014, 05:55:23 PM
Post by: t6 on May 05, 2014, 06:19:31 PM
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on May 05, 2014, 07:47:23 PM
Post by: northwesthunter84 on May 05, 2014, 08:52:02 PM
Post by: buckfvr on May 05, 2014, 09:06:31 PM
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on May 06, 2014, 09:07:08 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on May 06, 2014, 09:10:25 AM
Post by: fireweed on May 06, 2014, 09:19:33 AM
It is actually worthwhile to add a good, well articulated idea.
They key is to get your idea into the resulting plan. Better land access and more motorized opportunities seems to be important--now these could be included as a goal.
Then (someday when your grandchildren are grey) funding and projects are tied to this goal and improvement follows behind.
Post by: Dave Workman on May 06, 2014, 10:28:04 AM
I haven't been able to log on yet, but I've commented on similar websites for other state projects and I do believe no matter how many un-intelligent, frustrating, and just-plain-dumb ideas are out there, the cream rises to the top.
It is actually worthwhile to add a good, well articulated idea.
They key is to get your idea into the resulting plan. Better land access and more motorized opportunities seems to be important--now these could be included as a goal.
Then (someday when your grandchildren are grey) funding and projects are tied to this goal and improvement follows behind.
Actually, in this state, sometimes it's the $#!+ that rises to the top. :bash:
My push for more hunting and fishing opportunity is generally getting good reviews. But we're competing with boneheads who want art in parks. :dunno:
As a group, we need to be aggressive, insistent and unflinching. If that means uncompromising, so be it. Hunters and anglers have been compromised for years and look what it's gotten us. A management structure that has us fighting amongst ourselves, reduced opportunity and an agency that seems to be more excited about having a bunch of hungry wolves and cougars in our midst than providing 10,000 more elk and 50,000 more deer.
Post by: Special T on May 06, 2014, 10:34:18 AM
It's a difficult website to navigate. There's one single stream of topics which you must scroll down through to find them all. The more you scroll, the slower the page reload gets. I'm not impressed with the design.:yeah:
It seems like a rater cumbersome way to brainstorm and/or get a vibe for what the people want. A great idea that isn't too well excecuted.
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on May 06, 2014, 10:34:44 AM
Post by: mfswallace on May 06, 2014, 10:36:29 AM
It's a difficult website to navigate. There's one single stream of topics which you must scroll down through to find them all. The more you scroll, the slower the page reload gets. I'm not impressed with the design.
You would think with all the tech companies in our state, the state would contract with one of them instead of a letting a group out of Nebraska create a poorly put together site. That's the mentality of our Governor :bash:
Post by: Special T on May 06, 2014, 10:39:59 AM
The layout of the programming MAY be less user friendly so that it is easier to mine the data of who thinks what on certain subjects. :twocents:
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on May 06, 2014, 11:16:14 AM
Post by: Special T on May 06, 2014, 11:23:49 AM
http://blog.mindmixer.com/mix-tips/webinar-recording-ive-engaged-my-community-now-what (http://blog.mindmixer.com/mix-tips/webinar-recording-ive-engaged-my-community-now-what)
I often refer to data as a compass.
When you’re lost in a forest, a compass does a great job of telling you which way is north, allowing you to decide which way to proceed. But that compass will never tell you about that cliff you have to scale or the river you’ll need to cross.
In the same way, data helps point decision-makers in the right direction for where they should focus their time and efforts. But it is the person — the human with the intuition and critical-thinking skills — that must navigate the path that data lays out.
One of the most crucial elements to making sure online engagement fulfills its purpose as a guide or compass is the application of better decisions based on real data from as wide-ranging an audience as possible.
Online engagement is not a check box on a list of things governments and organizations should do. There must be a deeper level of intentionality and thoughtfulness to it — to separate noise from actionable feedback, which in turn is used to make smarter, more well-informed decisions on issues that affect the community.
This month’s MindMixer webinar tackled the subject of how to do this — what to do with the data and feedback communities and organizations get from online engagement efforts?
I was joined by Oliver Hartleben of the consulting firm IBI group to share best practices and tips
I am going to delve more into this subject and watch the webinars one of these evenings this week.
I think our challenge is going to get people from HERE to go THERE and support some well thought out ideas... I think some of the WFW issues that have been put forth that have broad support may be a good starting point... Like the letters of support on different issues WFW have written in the past. It would reinforce what we have told the state before. :twocents:
Before we go too Poco Loco on stuff lets think this through a little. the last think we need to do is dropp a bomb on the discussion that brings out all the freaks... We should start on what we all can agree on... Not saying hound hunting isn't one of them, but i think there are other lower hanging fruit to start off with. :twocents:
Post by: Dave Workman on May 06, 2014, 11:43:38 AM
:yike:
Before getting all wrapped around the axle about the technicalities of the website, how about throwing in some comments and ideas? That's what this is all about, not some geek discussion on computer programs.
MORE OPPORTUNITY
MORE ACCESS
LOWER FEES
SIMPLER REGULATIONS...
And any other idea about improving OUR outdoor experiences that pops into your skulls.
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on May 06, 2014, 11:54:13 AM
Thought I'd throw hound hunting (Cougar) out there for him to rail on......Comments please.......
Got ONE!!!
And so well thought out :stup:
Andy Z. 4 minutes ago
Perhaps the cougars would not be going hungry if hunters were not shooting their prey.
Post by: Southpole on May 06, 2014, 12:28:52 PM
Got it finally. Thanks. Andy Z is a real piece of work.I joined yesterday and read some of the comments. If a person wanted to paint the perfect picture of a classic Northwest, emotional, anti everything, naive, emasculated, satchel carring, liberal man, that would be Andy Z :tup:
...did I go too far :(
Post by: Ryans71 on May 06, 2014, 12:33:04 PM
Thought I'd throw hound hunting (Cougar) out there for him to rail on......Comments please.......
Got ONE!!!
And so well thought out :stup:
Andy Z. 4 minutes ago
I logged on, added some comments. That Andy Z needs to be banned :chuckle:
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on May 06, 2014, 12:41:47 PM
Got it finally. Thanks. Andy Z is a real piece of work.I joined yesterday and read some of the comments. If a person wanted to paint the perfect picture of a classic Northwest, emotional, anti everything, naive, emasculated, satchel carring, liberal man, that would be Andy Z :tup:
...did I go too far :(
NO he makes Humanure look like one of us :yike:
Post by: Southpole on May 06, 2014, 12:53:43 PM
Yikes!Got it finally. Thanks. Andy Z is a real piece of work.I joined yesterday and read some of the comments. If a person wanted to paint the perfect picture of a classic Northwest, emotional, anti everything, naive, emasculated, satchel carring, liberal man, that would be Andy Z :tup:
...did I go too far :(
NO he makes Humanure look like one of us :yike:
Post by: fireweed on May 06, 2014, 01:10:07 PM
Got it finally. Thanks. Andy Z is a real piece of work.I joined yesterday and read some of the comments. If a person wanted to paint the perfect picture of a classic Northwest, emotional, anti everything, naive, emasculated, satchel carring, liberal man, that would be Andy Z :tup:
...did I go too far :(
Yes, pretty sure this is the neighbor BOY down the road. I've tried to reason with him in person a few times...
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on May 06, 2014, 01:24:08 PM
Got it finally. Thanks. Andy Z is a real piece of work.I joined yesterday and read some of the comments. If a person wanted to paint the perfect picture of a classic Northwest, emotional, anti everything, naive, emasculated, satchel carring, liberal man, that would be Andy Z :tup:
...did I go too far :(
Yes, pretty sure this is the neighbor BOY down the road. I've tried to reason with him in person a few times...
Latest....
Andy Z. 33 minutes ago
Reduced gun ownership is a good thing, but this is not a suitable topic for this forum.
This is a hard one to resist making this comment
Of course it is and the first 2 comments make you second claim off base
I'll hold off for now
Post by: pianoman9701 on May 06, 2014, 01:27:25 PM
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on May 06, 2014, 01:33:55 PM
There's one that should get some traction but probably won't - elk hoof disease.Loved it and Commented! We can give it traction by doing the same We now have Hoof rot,Timber company access, wolves and hound hunting cougar there so it's up to us... :dunno:
Post by: baldopepper on May 06, 2014, 02:33:48 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on May 06, 2014, 02:48:04 PM
Post by: Southpole on May 06, 2014, 06:09:20 PM
I just came up with a profound thought; Andy's a real dink!You can say that again! Hey Pman, your picture on the recreation group page is quite dapper ;)
Post by: snowpack on May 07, 2014, 01:42:38 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on May 07, 2014, 01:54:01 PM
I just came up with a profound thought; Andy's a real dink!You can say that again! Hey Pman, your picture on the recreation group page is quite dapper ;)
I'm twice as dapper as I was when that was taken. :chuckle:
Post by: Southpole on May 07, 2014, 03:27:47 PM
Post by: MarkyMark on May 07, 2014, 05:26:06 PM
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on May 07, 2014, 06:56:21 PM
Andy will make you carry your poop out in a plastic bag.
Andy Z. 5 hours ago
ORVs cause to much damage to be allowed anywhere. All other users can learn to coexist, only ORVs are completely incompatible with public land.
I think he probably smears his all over himself :yike:for the trip out or had a rider do it to him. Such hate :chuckle:
Post by: biggfish on May 07, 2014, 07:17:33 PM
Post by: MarkyMark on May 07, 2014, 07:18:45 PM
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on May 07, 2014, 08:05:28 PM
Andy Z. 2 hours ago
Funding the state with revenue from logging isn't a good idea; it is far more important to utilize public land for recreation and conservation purposes.
Andy Z. 20 minutes ago
Schools should not be shackled to timber revenues.
Post by: Southpole on May 07, 2014, 08:16:58 PM
Oh Andy... :rolleyes:Andy will make you carry your poop out in a plastic bag.
Andy Z. 5 hours ago
ORVs cause to much damage to be allowed anywhere. All other users can learn to coexist, only ORVs are completely incompatible with public land. :rolleyes:
I think he probably smears his all over himself :yike:for the trip out or had a rider do it to him. Such hate :chuckle:
Post by: buckfvr on May 07, 2014, 09:21:41 PM
Post by: snowpack on May 07, 2014, 09:29:21 PM
LOGGERS........your next :chuckle:He wants it to be covered with increased property tax. :rolleyes:
Andy Z. 2 hours ago
Funding the state with revenue from logging isn't a good idea; it is far more important to utilize public land for recreation and conservation purposes.
Andy Z. 20 minutes ago
Schools should not be shackled to timber revenues.
Post by: t6 on May 07, 2014, 10:54:17 PM
Post by: bearpaw on May 08, 2014, 07:39:43 AM
http://www.engageoutdoorwashington.com/ (http://www.engageoutdoorwashington.com/)
I cannot stress how important it is that everyone continues to comment and post ratings on other comments.
I read every comment before going to the last meeting and stated that at the meeting. I was able to bring up several of the comments in the meeting including: recreational access to public lands, concerns about fees on timber lands, hunters and fishers paying taxes to support our sports, and concerns about hoof rot as some of the major issues impacting hunters.
Assistant Director Joe Stohr said he will bring a list of top 10 concerns the WDFW has heard. Everyone needs to continue commenting so that I can verify the WDFW perceived list of concerns is accurate with the comments being made by hunters and fishers.
I hear the concerns regarding the validity of the process, the website design, some user groups are not well represented or not represented at all, and I have mentioned the skepticism. The group suggested making adjustments to the website so that it's more user friendly.
One problem is that there is only a very small budget for us to work with and it's mostly allocated, but they said we should be able to get some minor adjustments to the website.
Please continue to participate often, do it every day for a few minutes, post your own ideas, comment on other posts, and please use the star rating system.
http://www.engageoutdoorwashington.com/ (http://www.engageoutdoorwashington.com/)
Post by: Special T on May 08, 2014, 07:57:15 AM
1 DONT FEED THE TROLLS! Don't engage numb whits like Andy. All it does is take away from the process and if you bounced an of your data is likely to get excluded
2 Rate peoples comments and ideas that support hunting, fishing and all other renewable activities regardless or how you may split the hairs. Its time to stick together. I'll use Me for example. I have some concern over ATV use in areas and the fact that some cant follow the rule. HOWEVER i support comments about ATV's because the states ONLY solution is to exclude them from land.
3 If you need to VENT, call a friend, have a drink, or cigar, or yell at the TV... The more we reinforce some peoples misconception that we are a bunch of ignorant hicks the harder it is to get taken seriously.
Post by: mfswallace on May 08, 2014, 08:54:23 AM
You guys are all going to get bad boy messages from the site administrators.....I got 3 and unsubscribed from their e-mail, and Im out of there.....each time I said something to Andy, they flagged and reported me as abusive and a bunch of other crap, so Im gone from there......Its rigged anyway.....
"They" probably didn't flag you because anyone can flag anyone. Just click flag under the users comment and it will be pulled from the site and sent to administrators to look at....
Post by: buckfvr on May 08, 2014, 09:10:51 AM
LOGGERS........your next :chuckle:He wants it to be covered with increased property tax. :rolleyes:
Andy Z. 2 hours ago
Funding the state with revenue from logging isn't a good idea; it is far more important to utilize public land for recreation and conservation purposes.
Andy Z. 20 minutes ago
Schools should not be shackled to timber revenues.
In the end, they will show you how all these wonderful improvements can be covered by a percentage of a new state income tax.......wait and see......then all the urbanites will vote us all a new 6% tax that comes straight off the top of your income......
Then we'll all be paying for art in parks and mountain bike trails in Volunteer Park.....plus modern amenity updates for all the State Parks in western Wa. that most of us will never use.
Post by: buckfvr on May 08, 2014, 09:18:38 AM
Andy will make you carry your poop out in a plastic bag.
I would bet it all that he practices this religiously.....
Post by: Special T on May 08, 2014, 09:36:57 AM
You guys are all going to get bad boy messages from the site administrators.....I got 3 and unsubscribed from their e-mail, and Im out of there.....each time I said something to Andy, they flagged and reported me as abusive and a bunch of other crap, so Im gone from there......Its rigged anyway.....
"They" probably didn't flag you because anyone can flag anyone. Just click flag under the users comment and it will be pulled from the site and sent to administrators to look at....
Which is why its so important not to feed the trolls...
Post by: buckfvr on May 08, 2014, 09:46:11 AM
Post by: Special T on May 08, 2014, 09:48:43 AM
Yes if they get personal by all means flag them!
Post by: bearpaw on May 08, 2014, 10:32:19 AM
1) Participate often, post topics, post comments, rate other comments
2) Be courteous, respectful, professional
3) Know your facts and cite your sources
4) Disagree in an informative friendly manner or use the rating system
5) Offer solutions
Post by: baldopepper on May 08, 2014, 12:26:27 PM
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on May 08, 2014, 01:09:05 PM
:tup:
Yes if they get personal by all means flag them!
I had 3 comments removed, one questioning of ORV, Hunter, Mining, Logger hater Andy to see if he even knew what the 12 heartbeat rule of wilderness was (didn't mention wilderness tho). Got no answer since he doesn't seem to know. So I returned the favor on a couple obnoxious posts of his :chuckle:
Post by: pianoman9701 on May 08, 2014, 01:11:46 PM
Post by: blackdog on May 08, 2014, 02:13:34 PM
Post by: Special T on May 08, 2014, 03:03:51 PM
Until they fix that site, I can't post there. 10 seconds to load two words at a time is really aggravating.
I thought it was just my older computer... guess not
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on May 08, 2014, 05:00:09 PM
Until they fix that site, I can't post there. 10 seconds to load two words at a time is really aggravating.
I thought it was just my older computer... guess not
Realy doesn't seem any slower than any other to me, but I have a cave man connection.
and come on back buckfvr!
Post by: huntrights on May 08, 2014, 08:58:09 PM
There needs to be much more hunter input on this website. Don't think others will do this for you; all of us must get engaged and encourage our family, friends, and colleagues to do the same.
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on May 09, 2014, 01:38:13 PM
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on May 09, 2014, 06:40:20 PM
just went on a while ago and it looks as if many are getting hot about you know who's posts and are crossing the line So if you are from here try to bite your lip (or keyboard) and don't let him bait you into posting something that can be looked down upon, or flagged. Here is an example......
There needs to be much more hunter input on this website. Don't think others will do this for you; all of us must get engaged and encourage our family, friends, and colleagues to do the same.
"Locking up the land" is not uneducated you MORON.
Why don't you do as least a small amount of research to see how much land the Federal government has taken from it's citizens.
If HE crosses the line......"flag" him yourself!
Post by: mfswallace on May 11, 2014, 09:31:50 PM
http://www.engageoutdoorwashington.com/ideas/117661/wolves (http://www.engageoutdoorwashington.com/ideas/117661/wolves)
Here are a few ideas we all should get behind and vote on to drive the point home!
Sign up and help give Dale the ammo he needs to ensure we are heard
Post by: Humptulips on May 11, 2014, 10:34:58 PM
Post by: mfswallace on May 11, 2014, 10:41:45 PM
I am very discouraged with the site. I have typed up two posts and neither of them ever showed up anywhere. Admittedly I am not a computer whiz but things seem a lot harder then they need to be.
It is a terrible site but don't give up. It's a test in patience like most great hunts ;)
Post by: huntrights on May 11, 2014, 10:46:29 PM
"Washington: Task Force Taking Comments on “Transforming” Outdoor Recreation"
http://www.nraila.org/legislation/state-legislation/2014/5/washington-task-force-taking-comments-on-transforming-outdoor-recreation.aspx
Post by: bearpaw on May 13, 2014, 03:23:21 PM
Post by: mfswallace on May 14, 2014, 08:28:59 PM
Post by: bearpaw on May 19, 2014, 04:45:19 PM
Sometimes the comments may take a while to show up. Keep them coming in.
"Washington: Task Force Taking Comments on “Transforming” Outdoor Recreation"
http://www.nraila.org/legislation/state-legislation/2014/5/washington-task-force-taking-comments-on-transforming-outdoor-recreation.aspx
I just had another committee meeting by phone today. Hunters concerns are being heard and discussed, access, fees, hoof rot, etc, the hunters who have been responding are doing a great job. :tup: :tup: :tup:
Please avoid the arguing that some non-motorized and motorized users are doing, just make positive comments and post stars on the comments that you agree with.
Please keep your comments coming it is important: http://www.engageoutdoorwashington.com/ (http://www.engageoutdoorwashington.com/)
Post by: huntrights on May 28, 2014, 10:49:57 PM
Only 2-days left to comment. Do it now.
http://www.engageoutdoorwashington.com/
Post by: bearpaw on May 28, 2014, 11:57:43 PM
Only 2-days left to comment. Do it now.
http://www.engageoutdoorwashington.com/
I'm not sure why it says only 2 days left. There are now three questions on the website, please take a few moments and comment on all the questions: http://www.engageoutdoorwashington.com/ (http://www.engageoutdoorwashington.com/)
What are the three most important things we can do to make outdoor recreation more desirable and more accessible?
Should the state leave outdoor recreation marketing and tourism to the private sector, or play a specific role?
How can we help activate Washington’s innovative outdoor gear and clothing companies?
Post by: Southpole on May 29, 2014, 09:22:20 AM
Post by: Southpole on May 29, 2014, 02:42:11 PM
Post by: bearpaw on May 29, 2014, 02:58:31 PM
The web site won't let you comment or rate some of the ideas now, what the the heck?
Don't forget to login.
Post by: Southpole on May 29, 2014, 03:13:12 PM
I was logged in. Some of the ideas you could comment on and rate and at the same time others you could not, it only would allow you to share.The web site won't let you comment or rate some of the ideas now, what the the heck?
Don't forget to login.
Post by: huntrights on May 29, 2014, 05:08:31 PM
1) Should the state leave outdoor recreation marketing and tourism to the private sector, or play a specific role?
2) How can we help activate Washington’s innovative outdoor gear and clothing companies?
Apparently two days left on the original question turned into zero days left overnight. What happened?
Post by: CAMPMEAT on May 29, 2014, 05:24:04 PM
It's a difficult website to navigate. There's one single stream of topics which you must scroll down through to find them all. The more you scroll, the slower the page reload gets. I'm not impressed with the design.
Sounds just like a government employee, the more you tell them to work, the more they slow down........amazing !
Post by: csaaphill on May 30, 2014, 03:30:18 PM
hope they have better topics soon!
Post by: CAMPMEAT on May 30, 2014, 08:50:44 PM
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on May 31, 2014, 01:38:44 PM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on May 31, 2014, 01:41:39 PM
Not Andy or Hairbrainer!!Save the Planet - Kill yourself //// Lmao
Post by: CAMPMEAT on May 31, 2014, 05:23:09 PM
Post by: snowpack on May 31, 2014, 05:53:15 PM
Post by: buckfvr on May 31, 2014, 06:03:18 PM
The state just wants everyone to ask for stuff that has to be paid for so they can go the direction of state income tax........then they can have all their comforts of home anywhere they go..........
Post by: CAMPMEAT on May 31, 2014, 07:24:45 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on May 31, 2014, 11:05:19 PM
Dale, you need to get off of this bogus site and tell them to stop with the lies and get a life........
The people on here are nothing more than handpicked, liberals, that could careless about real facts. I've had it with these f...heads !
You can't fix stupid.
Post by: mfswallace on May 31, 2014, 11:11:56 PM
This very, one sided, very liberal site is nothing more than greenies whining and spewing their liberal nonsense for their own agendas.
Dale, you need to get off of this bogus site and tell them to stop with the lies and get a life........
The people on here are nothing more than handpicked, liberals, that could careless about real facts. I've had it with these f...heads !
You can't fix stupid.
If we stop they will surely win :twocents: If Dale quits we lose our loudest voice :twocents:
Post by: CAMPMEAT on May 31, 2014, 11:26:38 PM
This very, one sided, very liberal site is nothing more than greenies whining and spewing their liberal nonsense for their own agendas.
Dale, you need to get off of this bogus site and tell them to stop with the lies and get a life........
The people on here are nothing more than handpicked, liberals, that could careless about real facts. I've had it with these f...heads !
You can't fix stupid.
If we stop they will surely win :twocents: If Dale quits we lose our loudest voice :twocents:
These people are really screwed up. I mean you try and be reasonable and they come back calling us idiots in so many words. They can't give us any truthful info or stats about what they're saying. The people on the board are very top heavy in liberalism, anti-outdoors, its ridiculous. Nobody has any rights unless you can backpack or hike. You notice that 99% are from some huge pro outdoors companies or pro conservation type groups. I think Dale is the only outfitter on there. There are no ATV groups, no hunting groups, no boating groups and whoever else wasn't picked to satisfy the Inslee's agenda.
Post by: mfswallace on May 31, 2014, 11:43:33 PM
This very, one sided, very liberal site is nothing more than greenies whining and spewing their liberal nonsense for their own agendas.
Dale, you need to get off of this bogus site and tell them to stop with the lies and get a life........
The people on here are nothing more than handpicked, liberals, that could careless about real facts. I've had it with these f...heads !
You can't fix stupid.
If we stop they will surely win :twocents: If Dale quits we lose our loudest voice :twocents:
These people are really screwed up. I mean you try and be reasonable and they come back calling us idiots in so many words. They can't give us any truthful info or stats about what they're saying. The people on the board are very top heavy in liberalism, anti-outdoors, its ridiculous. Nobody has any rights unless you can backpack or hike. You notice that 99% are from some huge pro outdoors companies or pro conservation type groups. I think Dale is the only outfitter on there. There are no ATV groups, no hunting groups, no boating groups and whoever else wasn't picked to satisfy the Inslee's agenda.
I know and feel your frustration. I started responding to their idiocy with jabs but realized like you, you can't fix stupid :bash: Now if I respond I keep it to the point and only do it to show those on the panel how ridiculous and narrow minded some of the people likeAndy, Harbinger and Nathniel are...
8) 8) 8) 8)
like a duck let it roll off
Post by: CAMPMEAT on June 01, 2014, 07:00:21 AM
This very, one sided, very liberal site is nothing more than greenies whining and spewing their liberal nonsense for their own agendas.
Dale, you need to get off of this bogus site and tell them to stop with the lies and get a life........
The people on here are nothing more than handpicked, liberals, that could careless about real facts. I've had it with these f...heads !
You can't fix stupid.
If we stop they will surely win :twocents: If Dale quits we lose our loudest voice :twocents:
These people are really screwed up. I mean you try and be reasonable and they come back calling us idiots in so many words. They can't give us any truthful info or stats about what they're saying. The people on the board are very top heavy in liberalism, anti-outdoors, its ridiculous. Nobody has any rights unless you can backpack or hike. You notice that 99% are from some huge pro outdoors companies or pro conservation type groups. I think Dale is the only outfitter on there. There are no ATV groups, no hunting groups, no boating groups and whoever else wasn't picked to satisfy the Inslee's agenda.
I know and feel your frustration. I started responding to their idiocy with jabs but realized like you, you can't fix stupid :bash: Now if I respond I keep it to the point and only do it to show those on the panel how ridiculous and narrow minded some of the people likeAndy, Harbinger and Nathniel are...
8) 8) 8) 8)
like a duck let it roll off
......you forgot another winner, Andy Z.
Post by: bearpaw on June 01, 2014, 07:43:10 AM
This very, one sided, very liberal site is nothing more than greenies whining and spewing their liberal nonsense for their own agendas.
Dale, you need to get off of this bogus site and tell them to stop with the lies and get a life........
The people on here are nothing more than handpicked, liberals, that could careless about real facts. I've had it with these f...heads !
You can't fix stupid.
To my knowledge none of the Task Force members are commenting on "Engage Outdoor Washington" that I know of. We were asked to encourage participation and to read the comments, but to let the public make the comments. I cannot speak for the task force but I can tell you my thoughts. Thus far I have heard no comments opposing any particular user group during our meetings and everything we've discussed seems to be geared toward improving opportunities for all recreational groups.
Please keep sharing how important our hunting heritage is and don't engage Andy. Just say you disagree and go rate the stars of the ideas you support. If we are not at the table then we are on the menu! :yike:
This sounds like sage advice to me. :tup:
Post by: bearpaw on June 01, 2014, 08:11:10 AM
This very, one sided, very liberal site is nothing more than greenies whining and spewing their liberal nonsense for their own agendas.
Dale, you need to get off of this bogus site and tell them to stop with the lies and get a life........
The people on here are nothing more than handpicked, liberals, that could careless about real facts. I've had it with these f...heads !
You can't fix stupid.
If we stop they will surely win :twocents: If Dale quits we lose our loudest voice :twocents:
These people are really screwed up. I mean you try and be reasonable and they come back calling us idiots in so many words. They can't give us any truthful info or stats about what they're saying. The people on the board are very top heavy in liberalism, anti-outdoors, its ridiculous. Nobody has any rights unless you can backpack or hike. You notice that 99% are from some huge pro outdoors companies or pro conservation type groups. I think Dale is the only outfitter on there. There are no ATV groups, no hunting groups, no boating groups and whoever else wasn't picked to satisfy the Inslee's agenda.
http://rco.wa.gov/boards/TaskForceMembers.shtml (http://rco.wa.gov/boards/TaskForceMembers.shtml)
You can get a feel of the identity of each Task Force member on this page by clicking on their names. The marine trade association (boating) is represented, however there are some groups that are not represented. I see that many comments on "Engage Outdoor Washington" are supporting motorized recreation. I have made it a point to comment about the lack of opportunity for motorized recreation, about the number of comments supporting more access, and for opening gates on DNR ground. I also asked that the primary mission for DNR Lands be changed from only supporting schools to also supporting recreational opportunity, but I did not seem to have much support with that comment. There has been discussion about numerous issues that are important to hunters and fishers. It has seemed to me that Assistant Director Joe Stohr has been very supportive of hunting and fishing.
In my opinion the best thing hunters and fishers can do is to continue to comment often and give stars to the comments you agree with so that your voice is heard. :twocents:
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on June 01, 2014, 09:53:15 AM
Seeing tendencies with Andy Z and Hairbrainer that make me think they are the same person......alteregos....This very, one sided, very liberal site is nothing more than greenies whining and spewing their liberal nonsense for their own agendas.
Dale, you need to get off of this bogus site and tell them to stop with the lies and get a life........
The people on here are nothing more than handpicked, liberals, that could careless about real facts. I've had it with these f...heads !
You can't fix stupid.
If we stop they will surely win :twocents: If Dale quits we lose our loudest voice :twocents:
These people are really screwed up. I mean you try and be reasonable and they come back calling us idiots in so many words. They can't give us any truthful info or stats about what they're saying. The people on the board are very top heavy in liberalism, anti-outdoors, its ridiculous. Nobody has any rights unless you can backpack or hike. You notice that 99% are from some huge pro outdoors companies or pro conservation type groups. I think Dale is the only outfitter on there. There are no ATV groups, no hunting groups, no boating groups and whoever else wasn't picked to satisfy the Inslee's agenda.
I know and feel your frustration. I started responding to their idiocy with jabs but realized like you, you can't fix stupid :bash: Now if I respond I keep it to the point and only do it to show those on the panel how ridiculous and narrow minded some of the people likeAndy, Harbinger and Nathniel are...
8) 8) 8) 8)
like a duck let it roll off
......you forgot another winner, Andy Z.
opinions and the way they comment on just about everything. No one has commented more than AZ , but lately he has been quiet, and along comes Hairball! I also noticed a comment or two of mine removed today. I keep my disrespectful ones over here!
Nate Sez...........
@Steve A. and James Z.
You don't realize your own impact on the environment, and on non-motorized forms of recreation. Even if you only use your ATVs on roads (and why would you? Cars are a much safer and more comfortable option!) there are many others who aren't so ethical. ATV stands for All Terrain Vehicle; they are made to go where they are not supposed to!
As for your claims that ATVs are necessary for disabled people to access the outdoors: in a few years robotic exoskeletons will become available to the general public, and will allow even those with disabilities to enjoy hiking, biking and other non-motorized activities. Until then there are plenty of non-motorized recreational activities that even disabled folks can enjoy.
pretty sure my comment was....................
Your comment, You have got to be kidding ..........or worse........for one, it is NOW and not " in a few years. Typical.....blame the tool!@,
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on June 01, 2014, 04:02:55 PM
You guys are all going to get bad boy messages from the site administrators.....I got 3 and unsubscribed from their e-mail, and Im out of there.....each time I said something to Andy, they flagged and reported me as abusive and a bunch of other crap, so Im gone from there......Its rigged anyway.....
Come on back buckfvr!! At least rate ideas!
Post by: CAMPMEAT on June 01, 2014, 05:11:59 PM
You guys are all going to get bad boy messages from the site administrators.....I got 3 and unsubscribed from their e-mail, and Im out of there.....each time I said something to Andy, they flagged and reported me as abusive and a bunch of other crap, so Im gone from there......Its rigged anyway.....
Come on back buckfvr!! At least rate ideas!
We should start flagging Andy and Harbinger......... :tup:
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on June 02, 2014, 05:32:35 PM
I kid y'all not!! And 3 (Now 4) people have rated they love it......
"Robotic exoskeletons are already in use by the military, and will soon be available to the public. They will be as affordable as the average ORV and will grant people with impaired mobility the ability to go walk like everyone else!"
:kneel: :pee: :stup:
"Fund the development of mobiity augmenting exoskeletons.
Robotic exoskeletons could allow disabled people to experience the outdoors like everyone else. Such devices are already used by the military, and are being developed for use by civilians by several companies. The state should promote and fund the development of exoskeletons in Washington".
Post by: snowpack on June 02, 2014, 05:37:40 PM
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on June 02, 2014, 06:56:38 PM
You guys are all going to get bad boy messages from the site administrators.....I got 3 and unsubscribed from their e-mail, and Im out of there.....each time I said something to Andy, they flagged and reported me as abusive and a bunch of other crap, so Im gone from there......Its rigged anyway.....
Come on back buckfvr!! At least rate ideas!
We should start flagging Andy and Harbinger......... :tup:
I saw a comment from Andy Calling a person astonishingly ignorant, and a lupophobe (or whatever) and some other unflattering rant and magically it went away :dunno:
Post by: fair-chase on June 02, 2014, 07:12:13 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on June 03, 2014, 07:00:23 AM
You guys are all going to get bad boy messages from the site administrators.....I got 3 and unsubscribed from their e-mail, and Im out of there.....each time I said something to Andy, they flagged and reported me as abusive and a bunch of other crap, so Im gone from there......Its rigged anyway.....
Come on back buckfvr!! At least rate ideas!
We should start flagging Andy and Harbinger......... :tup:
I saw a comment from Andy Calling a person astonishingly ignorant, and a lupophobe (or whatever) and some other unflattering rant and magically it went away :dunno:
I think that's the one I flagged.......... :chuckle: :chuckle: :tup: :tup:
Post by: mfswallace on June 03, 2014, 09:34:24 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on June 03, 2014, 09:42:19 AM
Post by: Southpole on June 03, 2014, 10:45:54 AM
Post by: Southpole on June 03, 2014, 11:01:42 AM
Post by: Humptulips on June 03, 2014, 11:30:23 AM
It seems it should be fairly straight forward how to participate but no. I evidently don't have the secret handshake to get into this club.
Post by: mfswallace on June 03, 2014, 11:32:07 AM
Post by: bearpaw on June 03, 2014, 01:27:54 PM
I've given up. I've wrote up a couple ideas and posted them, tried to rate some of the other ideas and nothing.
It seems it should be fairly straight forward how to participate but no. I evidently don't have the secret handshake to get into this club.
If anyone is having trouble getting their comments to post, please email a copy of your comment so I can look into why your comment did not post.
THANKS,
Dale
dale@bearpawoutfitters.com
Post by: Humptulips on June 03, 2014, 08:41:04 PM
Did you sing in or up??
Yea, I registered. Now it lets me sign in and everytime I get this message that I must verify my registration. Seems like I had to do that when I first registered.
So just today I logged in and it recongnizes me evidently because it has my name at the top of the page but I tried to rate an idea and again it says you must verify your account or registration, whatever.
Like I said frustrated to the point I don't want to have anything to do with it. Wonder how many other people the site has run off.
I read some similar comments on NWHikers.net
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on June 04, 2014, 04:45:03 AM
Post by: Humptulips on June 04, 2014, 07:39:33 AM
Somewhere in your email there is a verification email you need to open and verify your account.
And I thought I did but to no avail. If the verification email was not verified it would be in my junk mail and by now expired and gone. No new ones. If it recongnizes me when I sign in what more do they want.
Just seems like you have to jump through a lot of hoops. Definetly not user friendly.
Post by: fireweed on June 04, 2014, 07:56:29 AM
Somewhere in your email there is a verification email you need to open and verify your account.
And I thought I did but to no avail. If the verification email was not verified it would be in my junk mail and by now expired and gone. No new ones. If it recongnizes me when I sign in what more do they want.
Just seems like you have to jump through a lot of hoops. Definetly not user friendly.
Contact the administrator--I had to.
Post by: Southpole on June 04, 2014, 01:28:06 PM
Post by: huntrights on June 04, 2014, 02:35:53 PM
CALLING ALL HUNTERS!!!!!!!!
We must all continue monitoring and posting to the Engage Outdoor Washington website:
http://www.engageoutdoorwashington.com/
There are new questions and opportunities to give our input as time goes on.
Current topics as of 06/04/14:
How much more would you be willing to pay annually for parks and outdoor recreation?
Would you designate these funds for city, county or state lands?
What groups and individuals participate less frequently in outdoor recreation in Washington. Why?
Should the state leave outdoor recreation marketing and tourism to the private sector, or play a specific role?
How can we help activate Washington’s innovative outdoor gear and clothing companies?
Post by: CAMPMEAT on June 04, 2014, 03:24:39 PM
Campmeat, your killin' me with your comments on the Gov site :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
That site is so one sided, I must participate for us.... thanks for the complement. :tup:
Post by: Southpole on June 04, 2014, 04:42:20 PM
I'm doing the best that my intelligence will allow on the commenting. I have it out for Harbinger G. I think he's the worst out of the unicorn club for not only having no tolerance for "non-green" type recreation but has to be a pompas ass about it.Campmeat, your killin' me with your comments on the Gov site :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
That site is so one sided, I must participate for us.... thanks for the complement. :tup:
Post by: bearpaw on June 04, 2014, 05:08:59 PM
Somewhere in your email there is a verification email you need to open and verify your account.
And I thought I did but to no avail. If the verification email was not verified it would be in my junk mail and by now expired and gone. No new ones. If it recongnizes me when I sign in what more do they want.
Just seems like you have to jump through a lot of hoops. Definetly not user friendly.
Please contact the site administrator. As the president of the state trappers I think it's important for you to comment.
Post by: huntrights on June 04, 2014, 05:19:51 PM
:twocents:
Suggestion:
When you comment, find some way to mention hunting whether it is using the general terms of "hunting" or "hunters", or specific references to hunting methods like modern rifle, muzzle-loader, archery, trapping, etc. Mention types of hunts as well. We need to let people know we exist and play a significant role in outdoor recreation.
Numbers count. Get others to participate as well.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on June 04, 2014, 06:15:13 PM
I'm doing the best that my intelligence will allow on the commenting. I have it out for Harbinger G. I think he's the worst out of the unicorn club for not only having no tolerance for "non-green" type recreation but has to be a pompas ass about it.Campmeat, your killin' me with your comments on the Gov site :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
That site is so one sided, I must participate for us.... thanks for the complement. :tup:
He's probably a munchkin too..............
Post by: bearpaw on June 04, 2014, 06:39:32 PM
:twocents:
Suggestion:
When you comment, find some way to mention hunting whether it is using the general terms of "hunting" or "hunters", or specific references to hunting methods like modern rifle, muzzle-loader, archery, trapping, etc. Mention types of hunts as well. We need to let people know we exist and play a significant role in outdoor recreation.
Numbers count. Get others to participate as well.
Thank you, I would also stress to try and avoid negative interaction. Post positive comments about what you agree with.
Post by: Special T on June 04, 2014, 11:12:53 PM
Post by: huntrights on June 06, 2014, 04:21:27 PM
Please continue to monitor and participate in the Engage Outdoor Washington website; it's your chance to be heard. Input from hunters is needed.
Encourage others to do so as well.
Thanks.
Post by: bearpaw on June 06, 2014, 06:24:37 PM
The Task Force is asking the following questions here: http://www.engageoutdoorwashington.com/ (http://www.engageoutdoorwashington.com/)
- Should the state leave outdoor recreation marketing and tourism to the private sector, or play a specific role?
- How can we help activate Washington’s innovative outdoor gear and clothing companies?
- What groups and individuals participate less frequently in outdoor recreation in Washington. Why?
Add stars to other comments you support here: http://www.engageoutdoorwashington.com/activity (http://www.engageoutdoorwashington.com/activity)
Choose answers to these questions here: http://www.engageoutdoorwashington.com/topics/all (http://www.engageoutdoorwashington.com/topics/all)
- How much more would you be willing to pay annually for parks and outdoor recreation?
- Would you designate these funds for city, county or state lands?
- What groups and individuals participate less frequently in outdoor recreation in Washington. Why?
- Should the state leave outdoor recreation marketing and tourism to the private sector, or play a specific role?
- How can we help activate Washington’s innovative outdoor gear and clothing companies?
I attached a form below so that everyone can also send in written comments. Please take a few minutes and send in written comments too. Remember, "the squeaky wheel gets the grease"! THANKS
Post by: bearpaw on June 17, 2014, 11:59:59 AM
Engage Outdoor Washington: http://www.engageoutdoorwashington.com/ (http://www.engageoutdoorwashington.com/)
Post by: huntrights on June 17, 2014, 05:17:05 PM
This is our chance to have our voices heard.
Current questions as of 6-17-14:
What groups and individuals participate less frequently in outdoor recreation in Washington. Why?
What strategies can towns in forested and rural areas use to attract outdoor adventurers and travelers?
What are your ideas to provide greater support for State Parks?
State tax support for State Parks was reduced by $37 million annually since 2008.
http://www.engageoutdoorwashington.com/
Post by: CAMPMEAT on June 17, 2014, 09:43:57 PM
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on June 18, 2014, 04:33:56 AM
Everything these liberals talk about or want to promote, are almost 99% for the west side of the mountains. They are so far out of touch with the rest of the state, it's pathetic. It's like talking to 2 year olds. :bash: :bash:Spoiled ones!!
Post by: CAMPMEAT on June 18, 2014, 06:45:40 AM
Everything these liberals talk about or want to promote, are almost 99% for the west side of the mountains. They are so far out of touch with the rest of the state, it's pathetic. It's like talking to 2 year olds. :bash: :bash:Spoiled ones!!
No kidding. That about explains it................
Post by: Special T on June 18, 2014, 07:16:50 AM
It should be painfully obvious that the State parks system is reluctant to actually change What they do or how they do it. It is NOT my job to prop up the parks, or any other agency, that cannot change with the times to help support themselves and thier mission.
I personally dont care to go to parks much BUT i think they are a good thing. The state needs to make hard choices and they thing that= more taxes when in reality it is priorites.
Post by: bearpaw on June 18, 2014, 07:34:45 AM
Please keep sharing how important our hunting heritage is and don't engage Andy. Just say you disagree and go rate the stars of the ideas you support. If we are not at the table then we are on the menu! :yike:
The highlighted portion is why I am taking the time to go to all these meetings. Support is needed by hunters who will take a few minutes from their busy schedules and post their thoughts.
Those who have posted on "Engage Outdoor Washington" have managed to make "Access" and "Hunting" a major part of the whole discussion. Please continue to be a part of the discussion and keep these top priorities in the discussion.
Thanks :hello:
Post by: CAMPMEAT on June 18, 2014, 07:45:00 AM
Please keep sharing how important our hunting heritage is and don't engage Andy. Just say you disagree and go rate the stars of the ideas you support. If we are not at the table then we are on the menu! :yike:
The highlighted portion is why I am taking the time to go to all these meetings. Support is needed by hunters who will take a few minutes from their busy schedules and post their thoughts.
Those who have posted on "Engage Outdoor Washington" have managed to make "Access" and "Hunting" a major part of the whole discussion. Please continue to be a part of the discussion and keep these top priorities in the discussion.
Thanks :hello:
I'll tell you Dale, it's really hard to be civil with these idiots. I'm sure you've seen my responses and then I some get a stupid comment about mine. On the other hand, when I mention something about guns or something out of their precious realm of idiocy, they can't answer or comment, because they don't have a clue about any other part of Washington State and others lives, who have a voice in our resources too, which is ignored.
Post by: huntrights on June 18, 2014, 11:33:31 AM
:twocents:
We, as hunters, must be a significant part of the discussion. Be careful to not get involved in petty debates with those participants that appear to seek out opportunities to be a thorn in our sides just to instigate an online battle. Let them look like the instigators of frivolous debates that they are. Don't join in on their ignorance and obvious malicious intent on countering reasonable solutions that include hunting and hunters. They are showing their true colors to all that read the comments and suggestions. Hunters must come across as the level-headed, conservation-minded, reasonable, law-abiding citizens that we are. State facts and offer suggestions for solutions.
Post by: Dhoey07 on June 18, 2014, 02:05:54 PM
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on June 25, 2014, 06:46:46 PM
Post by: Southpole on June 25, 2014, 08:40:36 PM
Hairball made a snide comment regarding the poorly educated rural folks and like magic it just vanishedGGGGRRRRRR!!! I would luuuuuv to meet that guy face to face >:(
Post by: JimmyHoffa on June 25, 2014, 09:42:57 PM
Hairball made a snide comment regarding the poorly educated rural folks and like magic it just vanishedThere was an article in the local news here where some marketing guy was giving a presentation on why the Wild Olympics should be passed and said that rural areas are 'brain drains' because all the young people that can succeed head off to the cities....but if they make more wilderness more people will come back. Said that kids that grow up near preserved wild areas have better mental health and enhanced lives.
Then he said something about how people need nature to be creative and that they spend too much time in front of computers. But the guy is advocating for fewer outdoor jobs with wilderness creation...so doesn't that mean more people at inside jobs in front of computers? :dunno:
Post by: Southpole on June 26, 2014, 08:42:16 AM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on June 26, 2014, 09:26:05 PM
Someone told me a few years ago Al Gore had quoted saying "We need to get those hicks out of the country and into the city where they belong." I don't know if that was from his book or it just fell out of his mouth. Either way, it doesn't surprise me. That's what the extreme environmentalist's goal in life is, get everyone corralled into large towns and cities where they can control everyone however they see fit. That really bugs them to see people living independently owning their own resources (water, wood, land) without restrictions. They think you don't have any business having that freedom... I better shut up and get to work before I blow a gasket, this kind of crap really gets me hot >:(!
It's hard keeping our cool with these people................they're just idiots.
Post by: huntrights on June 26, 2014, 11:08:56 PM
Current topics as of June 26, 2014:
Make sure our voices are heard as hunters.
What steps can we take to ensure parks and public lands remain readily available despite tight budgets?
How do we ensure that a broader and more diverse group of Washington residents become active in the outdoors?
Should Washington establish an office focused specifically on marketing and promoting outdoor recreation?
On June 14, Washington State Parks hosted a local celebration of National Get Outdoors Day on Olympia’s Capitol Campus.
Should landowners be given immunity from liability when they open their land for recreation?
How can information about outdoor recreational opportunities be better disseminated throughout Washington?
How can Washington’s outdoor recreation programs better meet the needs of our diverse communities?
What strategies can towns in forested and rural areas use to attract outdoor adventurers and travelers?
What are your ideas to provide greater support for State Parks?
Post by: bearpaw on June 27, 2014, 05:32:48 AM
(please avoid engaging anyone in a negative manner)
Post by: huntrights on June 27, 2014, 11:43:11 AM
This is just a suggestion:
Mention hunters and hunting in a positive manner every opportunity you have that fits into your comments. Our voices need to be clearly heard as hunters.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on June 27, 2014, 11:54:46 AM
Post by: huntrights on July 02, 2014, 02:23:10 PM
Current topics as of 7-2-14:
What barriers reduce Washington’s youth and millennials engagement in the outdoors?
How can we promote Washington as an outdoor recreation destination for U.S. and overseas travelers?
What would encourage you to try something new outdoors?
Would you prefer a $10 annual fee on car, truck, motorcycle and RV license tab renewals or the annual $30 Discover Pass? Many people don't like either option on this one and may not be voting; however, they are writing comments and suggestions.
Hunters need to continue entering comments.
It is important to bring our level-headed, rational comments and suggestions to the table to counter some of the radically disconnected comments and suggestions that are showing up.
Post by: bearpaw on July 02, 2014, 05:35:40 PM
Current topics as of 7-2-14:
What barriers reduce Washington’s youth and millennials engagement in the outdoors?
How can we promote Washington as an outdoor recreation destination for U.S. and overseas travelers?
What would encourage you to try something new outdoors?
Would you prefer a $10 annual fee on car, truck, motorcycle and RV license tab renewals or the annual $30 Discover Pass? Many people don't like either option on this one and may not be voting; however, they are writing comments and suggestions.
Hunters need to continue entering comments.
It is important to bring our level-headed, rational comments and suggestions to the table to counter some of the radically disconnected comments and suggestions that are showing up.
Because I am on the Task Force I can't comment on the website, I'm only supposed to read everyone's comments, but I thought I would let you all know what I think here on the forum.
I have tried to get the task force to understand that hunters, fishers, and boaters have been paying the bulk of the bill for wildlife and State Parks. I have suggested a broader based revenue source where everyone pays a little rather than groups like hunters, fishers, and boaters paying more and more of the bills. I've tried to explain that burdening young and low income hunters, fishers, and any other recreationists with more cost (user fees) is pushing them away from participating.
The idea for a $10 increase in license tabs must have come from a different sub-committee than I am on, but I like the idea of a broad based tax where everyone pays rather than the $30 Discover Pass that hits hunters, fishers, and boaters harder than most other residents. That $10 fee on license tabs would spread the cost of state parks among most of the state's residents and likely result in better funding than the $30 Discover Pass is providing for state parks.
I'm really interested to hear what everyone thinks of this idea?
Post by: KFhunter on July 02, 2014, 05:39:07 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on July 02, 2014, 05:46:25 PM
Post by: Curly on July 02, 2014, 05:51:10 PM
I like the idea of a DP for people using established trailheads, parking areas, and DNR campgrounds, so I'd like to see the DP remain for those instances, but not for someone simply driving on DNR land or parking on logging roads and walking.
Post by: KFhunter on July 02, 2014, 05:55:09 PM
Post by: Curly on July 02, 2014, 06:03:22 PM
Post by: Todd_ID on July 02, 2014, 06:04:51 PM
Post by: KFhunter on July 02, 2014, 06:17:23 PM
How about business owners with company vehicles that'll never be used for recreation?
Post by: CAMPMEAT on July 02, 2014, 06:36:06 PM
Post by: Curly on July 02, 2014, 06:38:03 PM
Post by: bearpaw on July 02, 2014, 07:19:26 PM
I don't have answers to improve funding and don't mean to whiz on Dale's idea. Problem is I think probably the typical hunter probably has more vehicles than a single car family going for a hike. Same holds true for rural folks as well. People living rural would be hit a lot harder with a tabs fee than someone in the city.
How about business owners with company vehicles that'll never be used for recreation?
Just to clarify: It wasn't my idea, but I liked it better than the Discover Pass. :tup:
The problem with the DP is it is not a user based fee. The majority of the funds for the DP go to state parks when a lot of users don't even set foot in parks. They really need 3 separate passes.
Discover Pass funds mostly go to state parks. I see hunters/fishers footing the bill for state parks and the rest of the citizens not paying. I support a broader base of funding for the state parks where no particular group gets unfairly hooked for paying the bill.
Maybe my new country lifestyle living for 14 years has changed my thinking but, why not add the $10 onto the hiking, kayaking, snow showing, skiing peoples ? Why do we, the hunters/fishers always get to pay for their lifestyles ? They don't pay for ours...
That's the message I have been standing by in the meetings, a fee/tax that somehow gets everyone to pay their fair share. :tup:
Post by: bearpaw on July 02, 2014, 07:21:39 PM
I'm all for user-based funding. If we, as hunters or fishers, aren't willing to foot the bill of what it costs to manage whatever, then close it off. Don't ask the average non-user to pay an extra $10 just so I don't have to pay $30. The North American Wildlife Conservation Model has worked for 105 years, and it'll keep working after we're gone.
I agree, but the Discover Pass mostly goes to state parks, I think that is why most hunters/fishers object to it.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on July 02, 2014, 07:52:41 PM
What extra fees do hikers, kayakers, mountain climbers, scuba divers, bicyclists etc, pay for, besides the Discover Pass to recreate ?
Post by: Curly on July 02, 2014, 09:48:44 PM
I think parks are good for the state and funding should come from everybody. With that said, maybe parks need to be privately run and maintained; that would save a lot of money.....they are paying Rangers and park aids pretty good salaries with retirement and benefits for jobs that could been done a lot cheaper I imagine.
Post by: blackdog on July 02, 2014, 09:52:27 PM
Post by: Curly on July 02, 2014, 09:55:41 PM
Post by: blackdog on July 02, 2014, 10:03:26 PM
Post by: Curly on July 03, 2014, 06:29:12 AM
Fund it that way and see how long parks can remain out of the red.
Post by: bearpaw on July 03, 2014, 08:20:10 AM
Dale,
What extra fees do hikers, kayakers, mountain climbers, scuba divers, bicyclists etc, pay for, besides the Discover Pass to recreate ?
To my knowledge they only pay if they buy a Discover Pass to go to State Lands, but I could be missing something. There is a separate committee for funding that I'm not a part of, so they could have more complete info about that. Another task force member and I have raised the question that certain user groups like hunters/fishers/boaters/shooters think they are paying a larger share than others, due to licenses/fees, Discover Pass, plus Pittman Robertson, and Dingle/Johnson funding coming back to the state. I don't think P/R and D/J taxes apply to other types of sporting goods buyers. Maybe someone could elaborate more?
Post by: bearpaw on July 03, 2014, 08:38:20 AM
Listening Session Agenda
Monday, July 7
7:00 to 8:30pm
Pybus Public Market, 3 N. Worthen Street, Wenatchee
7:00 Welcome / introduction of Task Force members present
7:05 Show “We Are Wenatchee” Video
7:10 Listening Session (6 people already signed up to give 5-7 min presentations)
8:00 Ice cream social (opportunity for TF members to mingle with attendees and learn more about recreation in Wenatchee/North Central Washington)
8:30 Gathering ends
Task Force Meeting #4 Agenda
July 8, 2014
9:00 AM – 1:00 PM
Wenatchee Valley College Campus | 1300 5th Street, Van Tassell Center Café – Wenatchee, WA
9:00 Welcome & Opening Remarks
Shiloh Schauer, Senator Linda Parlette and Wenatchee Mayor Frank Kuntz
9:10 Healthliest Next Generation – Lisa Rakoz – OSPI Health Educaton
9:30 Subcommittee Meetings – Subcommmittee’s meet to discuss business-to-date and presentation
9:40 Subcommittee Presentations – Each Subcommittee provides an update on progress and shares their committee’s 3 to 5 priorities. 10-min presentation and 10-min Task Force Q&A (20 minutes total per Subcommittee)
10:20 BREAK
10:30 Subcommittees Presentations continued
11:10 Roundtable Discussion
11:30 Public Comment Period
3-minutes per speaker
12:30 Staff Updates
Outreach Update – Meg O’Leary
Task Force Final Report Process & Timeline – Jim Fox
Federal Issues Strategy – Jim Fox / Kaleen Cottingham
1:00 ADJOURN
Next Meeting: Tuesday, August 19, 4:00 PM to 8:00 PM
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Post by: huntrights on July 03, 2014, 12:11:18 PM
:twocents:
Data may not be available, but it appears to be probable that hunters and anglers just might be the primary purchasers of the Discover Pass (DP); if this is the case, then the burden of supporting the State Parks is wrongly distributed. A $10 annual fee on car, truck, motorcycle, and RV license tab renewals would discriminate against people with multiple vehicles (i.e. two or more vehicles, an RV, ATV s, and maybe motorcycles); the cost to them could greatly exceed the $30 DP. If a fee is to be added to the license tab renewals, then place a maximum of two or three fees that can be applied per household; a maximum of $20 per household per year from all households that register vehicles in Washington State. Additional vehicles would be FREE. This would spread the burden to all state residents that register vehicles; it might also motivate people get outdoors since they paid for it. The resulting income to the state will likely be far greater than what the DP currently brings in. Any money generated must go to the State Parks, WDFW, and the DNR for the purpose of encouraging people to participate in outdoor recreation, including hunting. The money should be used to improve and promote hunting and fishing opportunities, improve and promote other outdoor recreational activities, increase access, pay for road maintenance, improve facilities, and hire the necessary staff to support the State Parks and public lands. NO dipping into the funds for other purposes - PERIOD!
There are nearly 3 million housing units in Washington State (http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/53000.html) At two fees per housing unit, that comes to $60 million.
According to this article "State Parks hopes Discover Pass can close funding gap" (http://www.northkitsapherald.com/news/242283971.html (http://www.northkitsapherald.com/news/242283971.html)) -
"The pass, which is a user fee for vehicle entry into Washington public lands such as state parks and natural resource lands, brought in an average of $13 million a year during its first two years. But during the fiscal year ending in June 2013, the pass program brought in $16.8 million — an increase of about 29 percent.
The pass program was implemented in 2011 after state lawmakers slashed the budget for state parks. But even though the program has fallen short of the $27 million a year the state originally thought it would bring in, pass sales have become a critical element of the state parks budget."
The numbers above indicate only about 560,000 Discover Passes were sold. That's not producing enough funding.
Excerpt from:
“Funding Public Recreation With the Discover Pass: Policy and Practicality”
http://www.agforestry.org/upload/userfiles/Funding_Public_Recreation_with_the_Discover_Pass-Policy_and_Practicality_Final_Report.pdf
“Revenue from the Discover Pass and day‐use permits is deposited into the Recreation Access Pass Account. The first $71 million in revenue is distributed as follows: 8 % to State Wildlife Account (WDFW); 8 % to Park Land Trust Revolving Account (DNR); 84 % to State Parks Renewal and Stewardship Account. All revenues exceeding $71 million each fiscal biennium are distributed equally amongst the agencies.”
It appears the Discover Pass is about saving the State Parks. Who are the primary purchasers of the Discover Pass (DP)? Without real data to refer to, it is difficult to know which user sectors are purchasing the DP. However, inferring from feedback from hunters and anglers, it appears they may be carrying the larger portion of the financial load, and they may not be the primary users of the State Parks. However, they are more likely to be the primary users of public lands. Spread the financial burden to all state residents for support of the State Parks in a fair and unbiased manner.
Spread the financial burden across ALL state residents because ALL state residents will ultimately benefit from having our State Parks in top shape, and all outdoor recreational activities supported and promoted for all residents and non-residents to participate in and enjoy. If the state government truly wants to promote State Parks and Outdoor Recreation, then this may be a positive direction to go. If we want the revenue and economic growth from the outdoor recreation "gold-mine" we have in this state, then ALL residents should pitch in. All businesses will benefit from the cash flow, more people will be employed, more people will be motivated to get outdoors, etc. If we invest properly, the growth and benefits can be self-propagating. Burdening Washington State's hunters, anglers, and a few other outdoor enthusiast with the financial responsibility of the natural resources that benefit everyone will end up being a detriment to the overall goals.
However, there is a possible roadblock. A problem may lie in some of the somewhat extreme attitudes (Just being PC) that sometimes permeate this state. There are some people and organizations that are adamantly against keeping our forests and other natural resources open for human use.
For example: Go to the website (http://www.engageoutdoorwashington.com/ideas/125194/that-s-a-bad-idea-the-fewer-people-visit-them-the-better), keep pressing the "View More Comments..." button until all comments are shown, then take a look at the last comment (press the "Read More" button to see the full comment.
It may be beneficial for us to understand how diverse (extreme) some opinions may be (Just being PC again).
:twocents:
Post by: Curly on July 03, 2014, 12:15:04 PM
Quote
Data may not be available, but it appears to be probable that hunters and anglers just might be the primary purchasers of the Discover Pass (DP); if this is the case, then the burden of supporting the State Parks is wrongly distributed. A $10 annual fee on car, truck, motorcycle, and RV license tab renewals would discriminate against people with multiple vehicles (i.e. two or more vehicles, an RV, ATV s, and maybe motorcycles); the cost to them could greatly exceed the $30 DP. If a fee is to be added to the license tab renewals, then place a maximum of two or three fees that can be applied per household; a maximum of $20 per household per year from all households that register vehicles in Washington State. Additional vehicles would be FREE. This would spread the burden to all state residents that register vehicles; it might also motivate people get outdoors since they paid for it. The resulting income to the state will likely be far greater than what the DP currently brings in. Any money generated must go to the State Parks, WDFW, and the DNR for the purpose of encouraging people to participate in outdoor recreation, including hunting. The money should be used to improve and promote hunting and fishing opportunities, improve and promote other outdoor recreational activities, increase access, pay for road maintenance, improve facilities, and hire the necessary staff to support the State Parks and public lands. NO dipping into the funds for other purposes - PERIOD!
That sounds good to me.
(But I'd still like to know if State Parks is spending their money wisely. Maybe privatizing maintenance of Parks lands would help reduce costs to taxpayers?)
Post by: bigtex on July 03, 2014, 12:38:07 PM
I think the question should be - Are state parks a benefit to every citizen of the state? If the answer is yes, then maybe more money should come from everybody (maybe the general fund?) instead of jacking up the cost on only a portion of the citizens.Prior to the DP the general fund was the primary source for Parks and thats when the idea went from a tax based agency (general fund) to a user based agency (DP).
I think parks are good for the state and funding should come from everybody. With that said, maybe parks need to be privately run and maintained; that would save a lot of money.....they are paying Rangers and park aids pretty good salaries with retirement and benefits for jobs that could been done a lot cheaper I imagine.
I think Parks needs to look at how they are running parks, in some areas the Natl Park Service is doing things that WA needs to do. For WA Parks the LE Rangers are the managers/head hanchos of the parks, at some parks there may just be one LE Ranger, others there may be several with one "senior" who is the head manager. The problem is with this mindset you are paying an LE Ranger to manage a park which may have absolutely zero law enforcement need and can be done by someone without a gun and thus at a less paygrade. Another issue is the maintenance, at many parks, especially in the off-months the maintenance are done by the LE Rangers, again I am pretty sure you could pay a laborer a lot less then a state LEO to mow grass. So how does this compare to the NPS? In the NPS the "superintendent" of a park is not an LE position but simply a manager, and the maintenance employees are exactly that, not LE Rangers mowing grass with a gun belt on.
Post by: Curly on July 03, 2014, 01:04:40 PM
And after the busy season, all those duties that should be very low wage labor were done by the rangers (who are all getting very good vacation, retirement, and medical plans). So, yeah, I agree completely that they need to change.
Bigtex, do you think State Parks really needs all the LE that they currently have? If they were private RV parks, then LE would be the sheriff deputies in most cases right? If they didn't have as many LE rangers, then I assume they would save a lot of money............ :dunno:
Post by: bearpaw on July 03, 2014, 01:24:16 PM
Post by: bigtex on July 03, 2014, 01:41:28 PM
I worked one summer at a State Park (almost 30 years ago) and even I was paid too much back then. I imagine it hasn't changed much since then; probably even worse now. They were paying me (a kid right out of high school) well above minimum wage (don't remember the exact $ now) where I'm sure they could have hired someone for a lot less money to mow the lawns and clean restrooms.The current payrate for a park aide right now is $9.48-11.89 an hour, not exactly a gold mine.
And after the busy season, all those duties that should be very low wage labor were done by the rangers (who are all getting very good vacation, retirement, and medical plans). So, yeah, I agree completely that they need to change.
Bigtex, do you think State Parks really needs all the LE that they currently have? If they were private RV parks, then LE would be the sheriff deputies in most cases right? If they didn't have as many LE rangers, then I assume they would save a lot of money............ :dunno:
To answer your question Curly, State Parks definitely needs LE, but do they need it in all the parks like they do now? In my opinion no. For me the LE Rangers should only be in the parks with a LE need, and it shouldn't be that difficult to figure out which ones need an LE there and which one's don't. A couple years ago there were talks of removing the LE position at Olmstead near Ellensburg and giving the manager position to a non-LE person, to me that's a great idea and I don't know if it happened. But for the more historical/museum type parks (like Olmstead) you would really need to give me LE stats to prove there needs to be an LE Ranger based there. Now I will say that there are only about a third of the permanent LE rangers today as there were 4 years ago, about two-thirds of the permanent LE positions were transitioned into seasonal/temporary positions. Also need to note that State Parks is the lowest paid state level LE agency in the state, below WDFW, DNR, WSP, Liquor Control, etc. So your not going to be a rich guy working for State Parks :twocents:
Post by: Curly on July 03, 2014, 02:22:51 PM
Thanks for looking up the pay for Park Aide. Wow, I think I made only a little less than that 30 years ago. :o But that does seem about like the appropriate pay today. It was actually a hard day work.
Post by: Special T on July 05, 2014, 07:49:27 PM
I have nothing against parks but I HATE how the state skates on the hard decisions... Mostly because they equate Hard Decisions= More taxes, when the opposite is the truth.
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on July 20, 2014, 08:22:08 AM
I see some really good comments and ideas by all of you, I hope you will also post your comments to the website: www.engageoutdoorwashington.com (http://www.engageoutdoorwashington.com)
Looks like it's up to you folks now. Yesterday I saw that comments weren't being accepted any more so do what you can Dale. It sure seemed that (biased of course) Hunters, shooters, fishers, prospectors, loggers, trappers and motorized people showed they are much more reasonable when it comes to most of their wants and needs, and were not asking for pie in the sky programs W/O any consideration of funding, or futuristic "Airships" or :kneel: exoskeletons for the disabled :dunno: :stup:
Post by: bearpaw on July 20, 2014, 08:34:29 AM
Post by: huntrights on July 20, 2014, 03:50:46 PM
There are about 275,000 hunters in Washington (2011 WDFW info.); thanks for representing us.
Post by: MarkyMark on July 20, 2014, 04:27:47 PM
Thanks for your diligent work.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on July 20, 2014, 04:39:57 PM
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on July 20, 2014, 06:17:13 PM
Post by: Curly on July 20, 2014, 07:03:44 PM
Sandy over on there was real annoying. :o
Post by: huntrights on July 21, 2014, 07:53:16 AM
Several people that commented on the website expressed obvious anti-hunting and anti-gun views; there may be nothing that could be said to them that would ever change their minds. Maybe some of those people have learned that if they are irritating enough, those that oppose their views will stop participating; they have then eliminated an opponent. Stay the course when involved in these issues and advocating for hunters, keep a level head, be civil, and never give up! The objective of the website was to get relevant input from Washington residents regarding the questions asked, not to convince people with other views that they are wrong and we are right. Although it may have been irritating at times, some of the debates might actually have enlightened some folks. Regardless of the occasional frustration with some of the extreme views and personalities, it was extremely important that the views of hunters was presented as well; our voices were heard. Hopefully our input will be taken into consideration as decisions are made regarding parks and outdoor recreation in Washington.
Post by: Dhoey07 on July 22, 2014, 07:01:14 PM
I had the idea of making WA a predator hunting destination since we have so many predators. I think I may caused some of them liberals high blood pressure. :)
Sandy over on there was real annoying. :o
Was she the 90yr old grandma?
Post by: Curly on July 22, 2014, 07:06:36 PM
I don't know. Her profile pic was of an older lady with white hair. If she is 90 years old, then I commend her for getting on there and participating so much. She just seemed to be in favor of every program that would cost a bunch of money and no real worry about how to pay for it.I had the idea of making WA a predator hunting destination since we have so many predators. I think I may caused some of them liberals high blood pressure. :)
Sandy over on there was real annoying. :o
Was she the 90yr old grandma?
Post by: CAMPMEAT on July 22, 2014, 07:13:32 PM
:twocents:
Several people that commented on the website expressed obvious anti-hunting and anti-gun views; there may be nothing that could be said to them that would ever change their minds. Maybe some of those people have learned that if they are irritating enough, those that oppose their views will stop participating; they have then eliminated an opponent. Stay the course when involved in these issues and advocating for hunters, keep a level head, be civil, and never give up! The objective of the website was to get relevant input from Washington residents regarding the questions asked, not to convince people with other views that they are wrong and we are right. Although it may have been irritating at times, some of the debates might actually have enlightened some folks. Regardless of the occasional frustration with some of the extreme views and personalities, it was extremely important that the views of hunters was presented as well; our voices were heard. Hopefully our input will be taken into consideration as decisions are made regarding parks and outdoor recreation in Washington.
That entire website is ran by liberals. We, as hunters/trappers etc won't change their idiotic ways of thinking, ever. What needs to be done is, get all politicians out of office at one time and start with new blood in all facets of government. Too many career politicians who are way to comfortable in " the lifestyle of a politician ". :twocents:
Post by: huntrights on July 23, 2014, 10:48:15 AM
:twocents:
Several people that commented on the website expressed obvious anti-hunting and anti-gun views; there may be nothing that could be said to them that would ever change their minds. Maybe some of those people have learned that if they are irritating enough, those that oppose their views will stop participating; they have then eliminated an opponent. Stay the course when involved in these issues and advocating for hunters, keep a level head, be civil, and never give up! The objective of the website was to get relevant input from Washington residents regarding the questions asked, not to convince people with other views that they are wrong and we are right. Although it may have been irritating at times, some of the debates might actually have enlightened some folks. Regardless of the occasional frustration with some of the extreme views and personalities, it was extremely important that the views of hunters was presented as well; our voices were heard. Hopefully our input will be taken into consideration as decisions are made regarding parks and outdoor recreation in Washington.
That entire website is ran by liberals. We, as hunters/trappers etc won't change their idiotic ways of thinking, ever. What needs to be done is, get all politicians out of office at one time and start with new blood in all facets of government. Too many career politicians who are way to comfortable in " the lifestyle of a politician ". :twocents:
The political landscape in Washington has had an unhealthy political bias for many years. Be sure to VOTE for candidates that will uphold their Oath of Office (support and defend the Constitution and Bill of Rights), and actually represent their constituency. Encourage your family, friends, and colleagues to register to VOTE and actually VOTE. Not casting a VOTE is actually a VOTE for the other side.
Post by: Special T on July 23, 2014, 10:54:48 AM
I know most of us would just like to be left alone to do our thing. I know from experience with Silver Arrow Bowmen and the MV City Parks that showing up and making your case does a lot even if they dont do exactly what you want.
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on July 23, 2014, 11:05:31 AM
Too many career politicians who are way to comfortable in " the lifestyle of a politician ". :twocents:
That has been my argument for years--the main problem this country has is "Career Politicians". The founding fathers never intended for politics to be a "Career". Most of these "Career Politicians" have never had a real job in their lives, nor could they hold one if they got one.... :twocents:
Post by: CAMPMEAT on July 23, 2014, 11:15:07 AM
:twocents:
Several people that commented on the website expressed obvious anti-hunting and anti-gun views; there may be nothing that could be said to them that would ever change their minds. Maybe some of those people have learned that if they are irritating enough, those that oppose their views will stop participating; they have then eliminated an opponent. Stay the course when involved in these issues and advocating for hunters, keep a level head, be civil, and never give up! The objective of the website was to get relevant input from Washington residents regarding the questions asked, not to convince people with other views that they are wrong and we are right. Although it may have been irritating at times, some of the debates might actually have enlightened some folks. Regardless of the occasional frustration with some of the extreme views and personalities, it was extremely important that the views of hunters was presented as well; our voices were heard. Hopefully our input will be taken into consideration as decisions are made regarding parks and outdoor recreation in Washington.
That entire website is ran by liberals. We, as hunters/trappers etc won't change their idiotic ways of thinking, ever. What needs to be done is, get all politicians out of office at one time and start with new blood in all facets of government. Too many career politicians who are way to comfortable in " the lifestyle of a politician ". :twocents:
The political landscape in Washington has had an unhealthy political bias for many years. Be sure to VOTE for candidates that will uphold their Oath of Office (support and defend the Constitution and Bill of Rights), and actually represent their constituency. Encourage your family, friends, and colleagues to register to VOTE and actually VOTE. Not casting a VOTE is actually a VOTE for the other side.
I vote for people who are, hopefully going to change things. It seems to me, that there are too many uninformed people, who believe the liberals and out vote us... It's a vicious circle that needs to be broken.
Post by: huntrights on July 23, 2014, 12:29:42 PM
We can break the unhealthy political cycle by getting people to VOTE responsibly, not just following an (R) or (D) mantra. For example, if you want your Second Amendment and hunting rights protected, VOTE for Senator Tim Sheldon (D) in Senate District 35. If you want to bring some political balance into the Thurston County Commissioner's circle, VOTE for Bud Blake (I). We can break the cycle of extreme political bias if we VOTE for the right people. Above all, don't VOTE for anyone that gave their blind and unyielding support to the current administration with its extremely biased and agenda driven political machine.
To stay within the subject matter of this thread; thanks to all that participated in the Engage Outdoor Washington public input opportunity. Your voices as hunters were heard.