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Title: New to the permit game
Post by: Tbob on May 06, 2014, 10:21:05 AM: Okay so for some of us noobyz to the permit game in wa, I could use a little clarification on the terms used.. Like, what is an OIL tag? What's the difference between a bull permit and a quality elk permit? I though for S's and G's I might as well get into the game now. From reading all the posts it sounds like I'll never get drawn for any tags, but I can't win if I don't play so.. Thanks!
Title: Re: New to the permit game
Post by: trophyhunt on May 06, 2014, 10:32:50 AM: OIL simple means once in a lifetime, like the bull moose, goat and sheep tags. I'm sure by the time I'm done typing an explanation for the rest, someone will beat me too it! If you want send me a PM with your number and I'll talk you through it on the phone.
Title: Re: New to the permit game
Post by: trophyhunt on May 06, 2014, 10:35:50 AM: Raffle tags are not included in the OIL, you can draw those as many times as possible. Quality elk is just tags that have a chance at elk in the rut, or chances at killing bigger bulls in area's that don't have over the counter tags for 3 point or better. Bull tags are just slighter less quality and further out of the rut. If you pick a quality tag with very little permits handed out, it may take you half a lifetime to draw (like me, 19 years so far) or you could draw with 1 point. Luck of the draw for sure.
Title: Re: New to the permit game
Post by: Rainier10 on May 06, 2014, 10:46:33 AM: Yep and a quality bull/buck permit means they can charge twice the application fee than a bull/buck permit. :chuckle: Actually quality is supposed to a better hunt because of bigger animals/less people/better timing of the hunt.
Title: Re: New to the permit game
Post by: MacAttack on May 06, 2014, 11:16:12 AM: Don't mean to hijack, but this is my first time applying for special permits as well. With the regards to the oil tags, a bull moose is an oli, is anterless as well?
Title: Re: New to the permit game
Post by: Rainier10 on May 06, 2014, 11:20:32 AM: Quote from: MacAttack on May 06, 2014, 11:16:12 AM
Don't mean to hijack, but this is my first time applying for special permits as well. With the regards to the oil tags, a bull moose is an oli, is anterless as well?
Antlerless is not OIL. The bull moose is actually "any moose" and if you shoot any moose(bull, cow or calf) or once drawn you can't put in for those permits again.
Title: Re: New to the permit game
Post by: stevemiller on May 06, 2014, 11:46:44 AM: Is a bull tag 3 point or better or is it as it says any bull?
Title: New to the permit game
Post by: bobcat on May 06, 2014, 11:51:51 AM: Quote from: stevemiller on May 06, 2014, 11:46:44 AM
Is a bull tag 3 point or better or is it as it says any bull?

Depends on the permit. Some are any bull, some are 3 point minimum. If it says "any bull," it's any bull.
Title: Re: New to the permit game
Post by: Bob33 on May 06, 2014, 12:21:03 PM: You can read most everything you need to know about permits here: http://wdfw.wa.gov/publications/01589/wdfw01589.pdf (http://wdfw.wa.gov/publications/01589/wdfw01589.pdf)

You can also pick up paper copies at any sporting goods store.
Title: Re: New to the permit game
Post by: stevemiller on May 06, 2014, 12:37:15 PM: Quote from: bobcat on May 06, 2014, 11:51:51 AM
Quote from: stevemiller on May 06, 2014, 11:46:44 AM
Is a bull tag 3 point or better or is it as it says any bull?

Depends on the permit. Some are any bull, some are 3 point minimum. If it says "any bull," it's any bull.
Clarification,Its an any bull in an any bull unit,same tag in a 3 point or better is a 3 point or better.Thanks for the clarification
Title: Re: New to the permit game
Post by: Bob33 on May 06, 2014, 01:03:41 PM: Quote from: stevemiller on May 06, 2014, 12:37:15 PM
Quote from: bobcat on May 06, 2014, 11:51:51 AM
Quote from: stevemiller on May 06, 2014, 11:46:44 AM
Is a bull tag 3 point or better or is it as it says any bull?

Depends on the permit. Some are any bull, some are 3 point minimum. If it says "any bull," it's any bull.
Clarification,Its an any bull in an any bull unit,same tag in a 3 point or better is a 3 point or better.Thanks for the clarification
An "any bull" permit in any unit, including "3 point or better" units is good for "any bull".
Title: Re: New to the permit game
Post by: stevemiller on May 06, 2014, 01:43:37 PM: Ok,cause the any bull tag wont be in a 3 point or better unit anyway. :tup: Unless you put in for a unit that is 3 point or better.If you put in for a unit that is 3 point or better your saying you can still get any bull?
Title: Re: New to the permit game
Post by: Bob33 on May 06, 2014, 02:45:50 PM: Quote from: stevemiller on May 06, 2014, 01:43:37 PM
Ok,cause the any bull tag wont be in a 3 point or better unit anyway. :tup: Unless you put in for a unit that is 3 point or better.If you put in for a unit that is 3 point or better your saying you can still get any bull?
There are lots and lots of "any bull" permits given out in areas that are three point minimum units for general seasons.
Title: Re: New to the permit game
Post by: stevemiller on May 06, 2014, 02:55:15 PM: Sorry but you skipped around that question like a true politition,Are you saying with an any bull tag you can shoot a spike bull in a 3 point min. unit?
Title: Re: New to the permit game
Post by: Bob33 on May 06, 2014, 02:56:38 PM: Quote from: stevemiller on May 06, 2014, 02:55:15 PM
Sorry but you skipped around that question like a true politition,Are you saying with an any bull tag you can shoot a spike bull in a 3 point min. unit?
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"Any.....bull". I'm not sure what part of that is not clear?
Title: Re: New to the permit game
Post by: stevemiller on May 06, 2014, 02:58:04 PM: Quote from: Bob33 on May 06, 2014, 02:56:38 PM
Quote from: stevemiller on May 06, 2014, 02:55:15 PM
Sorry but you skipped around that question like a true politition,Are you saying with an any bull tag you can shoot a spike bull in a 3 point min. unit?
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"Any.....bull". I'm not sure what part of that is not clear?
OK OK OK,so why is there the 3 point min. in the bull elk hunts section if its any bull,thats whats unclear to me anyway.
Title: Re: New to the permit game
Post by: 67 Halfcab on May 06, 2014, 03:02:26 PM: Quote from: stevemiller on May 06, 2014, 02:55:15 PM
Sorry but you skipped around that question like a true politition,Are you saying with an any bull tag you can shoot a spike bull in a 3 point min. unit?

Please take some time and read pages 51-52 of the 2014 Big game hunting regs. The chart clearly shows the tag requirement, dates, and antler requirements for each unit that has a "bull elk" special hunt.
Title: Re: New to the permit game
Post by: stevemiller on May 06, 2014, 03:08:58 PM: ive been looking at it since this conversation started.now that someone else wants in on this,Am I right to think you can not hunt any bull in a 3 point min. unit?It must be 3 point or better?
Title: Re: New to the permit game
Post by: bobcat on May 06, 2014, 03:17:21 PM: No you're not right . The 3 point minimum only applies during the general season. The permit hunts have their own set of rules.

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Title: Re: New to the permit game
Post by: stevemiller on May 06, 2014, 03:25:27 PM: ok got it,why does it even have 3 point min. in that category then?
Title: Re: New to the permit game
Post by: Rainier10 on May 06, 2014, 03:41:24 PM: Quote from: stevemiller on May 06, 2014, 03:25:27 PM
ok got it,why does it even have 3 point min. in that category then?
On page 51 of the regs under "Bull Elk Hunts" 5 of the hunts are listed "any bull" that means if it is a bull you can shoot it. One of the hunts listed is "spike bull only" that means it has to be a spike for that hunt choice.

On page 52 there are 42 hunt choices listed still in the "bull elk hunt" category. 5 of those hunts are "spike only" you can only shoot a spike. 9 of those hunts are listed "3pt. min." you can only shoot elk that have at least 3 points on one side. That leaves 28 hunt choices that are "any bull" that means any bull elk, spike, 2pt, 3pt and up as long as it is a bull you can shoot it.

It doesn't matter what the general season rules are for that GMU if you have that tag for that hunt choice you can shoot what it says is the legal animal for that hunt choice during that hunt time.
Title: Re: New to the permit game
Post by: stevemiller on May 06, 2014, 04:21:54 PM: :yeah: Thats exactly what I was saying. So any bull isnt any bull in all these bull units.
Title: New to the permit game
Post by: bobcat on May 06, 2014, 04:42:03 PM: ??? :o :dunno:
Title: Re: New to the permit game
Post by: Rainier10 on May 06, 2014, 04:54:58 PM: Quote from: stevemiller on May 06, 2014, 04:21:54 PM
:yeah: Thats exactly what I was saying. So any bull isnt any bull in all these bull units.
Uh... "any bull" means "any bull" and not all of these permits say "any bull". If it says "any bull" you can shoot any bull, if it says "3pt min" you can't shoot just any bull it has to be at least a 3pt on one side.

Can you give me hunt choice that you are confused about thinking that "any bull" doesn't really mean any bull? Your statement above says "So any bull isn't any bull in all of these units." Which unit/hunt does it not apply to? I must be missing it.
Title: Re: New to the permit game
Post by: stevemiller on May 06, 2014, 05:07:37 PM: Quote from: bobcat on May 06, 2014, 11:51:51 AM
Quote from: stevemiller on May 06, 2014, 11:46:44 AM
Is a bull tag 3 point or better or is it as it says any bull?

Depends on the permit. Some are any bull, some are 3 point minimum. If it says "any bull," it's any bull.
This is where i asked this is the response i got back.there is only one bull tag,correct?Not quality but just the bull tag.If you get the bull tag its any bull in an any bull unit,if its a bull tag and you put in for a 3 point or better unit,then it is 3 point or better.I said this bob said no and thats where everything got confusing,if you cant see that then reread it.Is there actually an any bull tag?NO. The prob. on this forum sometimes is people jumping in on a question and answering it when they dont understand the question or dont know what they are talking about in the first place,Derailing the whole thing.
Title: Re: New to the permit game
Post by: stevemiller on May 06, 2014, 05:36:04 PM: Quote from: bobcat on May 06, 2014, 03:17:21 PM
No you're not right . The 3 point minimum only applies during the general season. The permit hunts have their own set of rules.

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Title: Re: New to the permit game
Post by: billythekidrock on May 06, 2014, 05:57:31 PM: Wow! Round and round.

stevemiller, I think you are over thinking this. It is not complicated.

Please share the hunt choice number of the permit you are questioning and someone will be able to help you out.
Title: Re: New to the permit game
Post by: stevemiller on May 06, 2014, 06:04:57 PM: I got it all figured out thanks,But I want the members that were giving bad info to admit they were wrong if they are grown up enough to do so that is.There is only one bull permit other than the quality one.All of the UNITS are either any bull 3 point spike,When it was said that you can hunt any bull in a 3 point or a spike unit that was wrong and confusing.
Title: Re: New to the permit game
Post by: billythekidrock on May 06, 2014, 06:05:34 PM: What bad info?
Title: Re: New to the permit game
Post by: stevemiller on May 06, 2014, 06:07:14 PM: Quote from: stevemiller on May 06, 2014, 05:36:04 PM
Quote from: bobcat on May 06, 2014, 03:17:21 PM
No you're not right . The 3 point minimum only applies during the general season. The permit hunts have their own set of rules.

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Title: Re: New to the permit game
Post by: WDFW Hates ME!!! on May 06, 2014, 06:18:08 PM: 2806 Mission EF Oct. 20 - Nov. 2 Any bull GMU 251 1 852/10
2807 Teanaway EF Dec. 17-31 Any bull GMU 335 11 2137/11
2808 Peaches Ridge EF Oct. 20 - Nov. 2 Any bull GMUs 336, 346 125 4605/11
2809 Observatory EF Oct. 20 - Nov. 2 Any bull GMUs 340, 342 72 4073/11
2810 Goose Prairie EF Oct. 20 - Nov. 2 Any bull GMUs 352, 356 73 2544/9
2811 Bethel EF Oct. 20 - Nov. 2 Any bull GMU 360 59 2572/9
2812 Rimrock EF Oct. 20- Nov. 2 Any bull GMU 364 130 2346/9
2813 Cowiche EF Oct. 20- Nov. 2 Any bull GMU 368 24 1911/10
2814 Alkali B, H EF Oct. 11-31 Any bull GMU 371 15 527/8
2815 Nooksack WF Oct. 11 - Nov. 18 Spike bull only GMU 418 and Elk Area 4941 6 473/8
2816 Margaret I, Q WF Sept. 22-30 and Nov. 1-12 Any bull GMU 524 4 4009/11
2817 Margaret I, Q WF Nov. 1-12 Any bull GMU 524 72 3648/11
2818 Upper Smith Creek E WF Oct. 18-24 Any bull Elk Area 5064 2 827/11
2819 Mount Whittier E WF Oct. 11-17 Any bull Elk Area 5065 1 529/10
2820 Olympic WF Nov. 1-10 3 pt. min. GMU 621, EXCEPT for Elk Area 6071 16 486/8
2821 Skokomish WF Nov. 1-10 3 pt. min. GMU 636 3 374/8
2822 White River Q WF Nov. 1-10 Any bull GMU 653 21 817/9
2823 Ten Forty EA Sept. 4-14 Spike bull only Elk Area 1040 2 NEW
2824 Grande Ronde EA Sept. 1-19 Any bull GMU 186 1 289/8
2825 Teanaway EA Nov. 21 - Dec. 8 Any bull GMU 335 10 717/9
2826 Alkali B, H EA Sept. 1-20 Any bull GMU 371 10 289/7
2827 Nooksack WA Sept. 1-21 and Dec. 1-31 Spike bull only GMU 418 and Elk Area 4941 3 211/6
2828 Margaret I, Q WA Sept. 6-21 and Dec. 1-15 Any bull GMU 524 46 1794/9
2829 Upper Smith Creek E WA Oct. 4-10 Any bull Elk Area 5064 2 532/9
2830 Lewis River WA Nov. 26 - Dec. 8 3 pt. min. GMU 560 5 410/8
2831 Siouxon WA Nov. 26 - Dec. 8 3 pt. min. GMU 572 5 208/7
2832 Olympic WA Sept. 3-15 3 pt. min. GMU 621, EXCEPT Elk Area 6071 9 321/7
2833 Skokomish WA Sept. 3-15 3 pt. min. GMU 636 2 182/7
2834 Ten Forty EM Oct. 1-10 Spike bull only Elk Area 1040 1 NEW
2835 Grande Ronde EM Oct. 1-10 Any bull GMU 186 1 225/8
2836 Teanaway EM Dec. 9-16 Any bull GMU 335 13 734/8
2837 Alkali B, H EM Sept. 21 - Oct. 10 Any bull GMU 371 15 301/7
2838 Nooksack WM Sept. 24 - Oct. 5 and Nov. 22-30 Spike bull only GMU 418 and Elk Area 4941 3 153/8
2839 Margaret I, Q WM Oct. 4-10 Any bull GMU 524 28 1127/10
2840 Upper Smith Creek E WM Oct. 11-17 Any bull Elk Area 5064 2 259/8
2841 Mount Whittier E WM Oct. 4-10 Any bull Elk Area 5065 1 187/8
2842 Yale WM Nov. 26 - Dec. 15 3 pt. min. GMU 554 15 417/7
2843 Olympic WM Oct. 4-10 3 pt. min. GMU 621, EXCEPT for Elk Area 6071 4 140/6
2844 Skokomish WM Oct. 4-10 3 pt. min. GMU 636 2 110/6
2845 White River Q WM Oct. 4-10 Any bull GMU 653 6 419/9
2846 4-0 Ranch C H, R EA, EF, EM Oct. 22-26 Spike bull only 4-0 Ranch 4 145/7
2847 Columbia Plateau
WMA 7
H, S EA, EF, EM Jan. 1-31, 2015 Any bull Columbia Plateau WMA 1 533/8

If it says any bull, you can shoot any bull, Spike or better.
If it says spike only, guess what, you can only shoot a spike.
If it says 3 point min. that means it has to have at least 3 points.

Not sure it gets any easier than that. This is for a permit. that has rules. It doesn't matter what the unit rules are. Your permit says any bull you can shoot any bull.

People answered your question earlier, but i guess this was as easy as it could be answered.
Title: Re: New to the permit game
Post by: billythekidrock on May 06, 2014, 06:26:33 PM: Quote from: stevemiller on May 06, 2014, 06:07:14 PM
Quote from: stevemiller on May 06, 2014, 05:36:04 PM
Quote from: bobcat on May 06, 2014, 03:17:21 PM
No you're not right . The 3 point minimum only applies during the general season. The permit hunts have their own set of rules.

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In conjunction with your post (#17) it reads correct to me. The confusion could be the wording of your post. It could be that you are using "unit" in a way that is interpreted as GMU or your using "unit" instead of Hunt Choice.

Permit rules will override general season rules. In the past there was a rifle unit that was 3 pt or better during general season but it had permits that allowed 3 pt or better OR cow. Can't shoot a cow in the general rifle season.
Title: Re: New to the permit game
Post by: stevemiller on May 06, 2014, 06:31:14 PM: I was using unit as hunt choice and gmu,What diff does that make if the Unit GMU or hunt choice says any bull its any bull if the Unit gmu or hunt choice says 3 point or better its 3 point or better and so on.I got it all figured out when I posted this that you qouted then I was told no I got it wrong still.The only confusion that I can think of is someone thinks there is a diff. app for the 3 point or spike and there is not.I got the correct info from the DFW hours ago.The book itself uses unit/area----gmu in one row.Hunt choice uses the unit/area-----gmu altogether,wheres the confusion there?
Title: Re: New to the permit game
Post by: bobcat on May 06, 2014, 06:34:54 PM: Steve, I think you may also be mixing up the words "tag" and "permit."

Your tag can be used in any general season for which it is valid. If you draw a permit you can use your tag during that permit season, following the restrictions specified for that permit. Your tag can still be used for general seasons, even if you drew a special permit.

Not sure if that clears up any of the confusion. :dunno:

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Title: Re: New to the permit game
Post by: billythekidrock on May 06, 2014, 06:36:51 PM: Quote from: stevemiller on May 06, 2014, 06:31:14 PM
I was using unit as hunt choice and gmu,What diff does that make if the Unit GMU or hunt choice says any bull its any bull if the Unit gmu or hunt choice says 3 point or better its 3 point or better and so on.I got it all figured out when I posted this that you qouted then I was told no I got it wrong still.

Sometimes a permit hunt choice does not include a whole GMU.

Maybe you got it figured out, but honestly it is not coming across that way.
Title: Re: New to the permit game
Post by: stevemiller on May 06, 2014, 06:37:21 PM: Just never mind,Im actually not the one confusing anything up.This thread is about permits so that goes without saying.
Title: Re: New to the permit game
Post by: stevemiller on May 06, 2014, 06:38:43 PM: Quote from: billythekidrock on May 06, 2014, 06:36:51 PM
Quote from: stevemiller on May 06, 2014, 06:31:14 PM
I was using unit as hunt choice and gmu,What diff does that make if the Unit GMU or hunt choice says any bull its any bull if the Unit gmu or hunt choice says 3 point or better its 3 point or better and so on.I got it all figured out when I posted this that you qouted then I was told no I got it wrong still.

Sometimes a permit hunt choice does not include a whole GMU.

Maybe you got it figured out, but honestly it is not coming across that way.
True and thats why it says unit/area
Title: Re: New to the permit game
Post by: Tbob on May 06, 2014, 07:33:58 PM: Wow. This thread got sweet.. I asked the original question and got my answer on the first reply... Thank you btw !!! This is pretty entertaining now.. I've had a few drinks and I don't even know what's going on now! Haha...
Title: Re: New to the permit game
Post by: stevemiller on May 06, 2014, 08:29:45 PM: Yeah it got sweet,To bad the member that answered your question clearly and correctly the first time didnt stay on.
Title: Re: New to the permit game
Post by: jackelope on May 06, 2014, 09:31:37 PM: When you're looking at the rules for a special permit, forget the general season rules even exist. Pretend they're not even there. You can have a GMU that is 3 point or better bull for the general season and then have the same gmu with a special permit that allows you to harvest any bull.
Title: Re: New to the permit game
Post by: stevemiller on May 06, 2014, 09:50:39 PM: what page is this on in the book :yeah:
Title: Re: New to the permit game
Post by: jackelope on May 06, 2014, 10:59:52 PM: Quote from: stevemiller on May 06, 2014, 09:50:39 PM
what page is this on in the book :yeah:

Its very clearly stated when you're looking at special permit choices.
Title: Re: New to the permit game
Post by: jackelope on May 06, 2014, 11:05:39 PM: 2837 Alkali B, H EM Sept. 21 - Oct. 10 Any bull GMU 371 15 301/7
2838 Nooksack WM Sept. 24 - Oct. 5 and Nov. 22-30 Spike bull only GMU 418 and Elk Area 4941 3 153/8

See there where it says "ANY BULL" or "SPIKE ONLY" in those 2 special permit application choices? There....that's where it says it in the book.
Title: Re: New to the permit game
Post by: stevemiller on May 06, 2014, 11:24:17 PM: Quote from: Bob33 on May 06, 2014, 01:03:41 PM
Quote from: stevemiller on May 06, 2014, 12:37:15 PM
Quote from: bobcat on May 06, 2014, 11:51:51 AM
Quote from: stevemiller on May 06, 2014, 11:46:44 AM
Is a bull tag 3 point or better or is it as it says any bull?

Depends on the permit. Some are any bull, some are 3 point minimum. If it says "any bull," it's any bull.
Clarification,Its an any bull in an any bull unit,same tag in a 3 point or better is a 3 point or better.Thanks for the clarification
An "any bull" permit in any unit, including "3 point or better" units is good for "any bull".
This last line is what started all this,Do you think this is right?If its wrong just say its wrong and move on.Page 52 in the book with a bull tag.There is no any bull tag 3 point or better tag or a spike tag.Its a bull tag if you put in for a 3 point or better unit you cannot shoot a spike in that unit.
Title: Re: New to the permit game
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on May 06, 2014, 11:41:26 PM: Quote from: stevemiller on May 06, 2014, 11:24:17 PM
Quote from: Bob33 on May 06, 2014, 01:03:41 PM
Quote from: stevemiller on May 06, 2014, 12:37:15 PM
Quote from: bobcat on May 06, 2014, 11:51:51 AM
Quote from: stevemiller on May 06, 2014, 11:46:44 AM
Is a bull tag 3 point or better or is it as it says any bull?

Depends on the permit. Some are any bull, some are 3 point minimum. If it says "any bull," it's any bull.
Clarification,Its an any bull in an any bull unit,same tag in a 3 point or better is a 3 point or better.Thanks for the clarification
An "any bull" permit in any unit, including "3 point or better" units is good for "any bull".
This last line is what started all this,Do you think this is right?If its wrong just say its wrong and move on.Page 52 in the book with a bull tag.There is no any bull tag 3 point or better tag or a spike tag.Its a bull tag if you put in for a 3 point or better unit you cannot shoot a spike in that unit.

The tag is seperate and completely different from a permit. It seems that is where the confusion is or was coming from.

A simple, over the counter tag is good for whatever the area or unit is open for hunting to a hunter, it may be spike, it may be 3 point or better or it may be any elk.

Each side of the state, the individual game management units and game areas all have specific restrictions and limitations, long gone are the days you bought an elk tag and hunted anywhere in the state.

Now, a special permit will allow the hunter to use that same tag and do something different than the hunters who did not get selected in the permit drawing.

That may be hunting an area that is otherwise closed, think Toutle for elk.

Maybe take an antlerless animal when others are limited to antlered only.

Maybe even hunt at a time when others cannot, think early Margaret elk hunts or the later hunts in January.

Hope this helps, if not, maybe go directly to WDFW with your question?
Title: Re: New to the permit game
Post by: bobcat on May 06, 2014, 11:44:02 PM: Steve, I think you're talking about specific permits whereas others in this thread were talking in theoretical terms. On that page 52, whatever it says in the "legal elk" column is what you can harvest with that specific permit, and what we've been trying to tell you is that it does not matter what the rules may be for that same unit during a general season, if there even is a general season. The general season restrictions do not apply to special permits. I think you understand that but I'm not sure. I really don't know what it is that you are, or were, confused about.
Title: Re: New to the permit game
Post by: stevemiller on May 06, 2014, 11:47:10 PM: Exactly. :beatdeadhorse: thats what i have been saying the whole time.Nothing in this thread is about general season(your back pedaling now).My question and all of my comments were specific to the bull elk hunting app. nothing from me ever pertained to general hunt. Im done.
Title: Re: New to the permit game
Post by: mossback91 on May 07, 2014, 01:03:58 AM: :DOH:
Title: Re: New to the permit game
Post by: Rainier10 on May 07, 2014, 07:09:01 AM: Wow! That was an interesting read. I am glad I watched the Mariner's game and could catch up on all of this this morning. Good luck, I am out on this one.
Title: Re: New to the permit game
Post by: jackelope on May 07, 2014, 07:21:26 AM: Quote from: stevemiller on May 06, 2014, 11:47:10 PM
Exactly. :beatdeadhorse: thats what i have been saying the whole time.Nothing in this thread is about general season(your back pedaling now).My question and all of my comments were specific to the bull elk hunting app. nothing from me ever pertained to general hunt. Im done.

If nothing in this thread is about general seasons in your mind, then I really don't see what the confusion is about. Look at the hunt choice you're interested in applying for. If it says "ANY BULL" then you can literally shoot any bull. If it says "# POINT OR BETTER" then you can shoot a bull that has 3 or more points on one side.

2837 Alkali B, H EM Sept. 21 - Oct. 10 Any bull GMU 371 15 301/7
Title: Re: New to the permit game
Post by: Curly on May 07, 2014, 07:41:05 AM: Wow. Thanks for the entertainment, Steve!
Title: Re: New to the permit game
Post by: Bob33 on May 07, 2014, 07:43:17 AM: Wow. I can't fathom how "any bull" can mean something other than "any bull".

Some seem to lack a keen sense of the obvious.
Title: New to the permit game
Post by: bobcat on May 07, 2014, 07:46:22 AM: I don't think I'll be trying to answer any of Steve's questions in the future. :bash:
Title: Re: New to the permit game
Post by: billythekidrock on May 07, 2014, 05:45:48 PM: Quote from: Bob33 on May 07, 2014, 07:43:17 AM
Wow. I can't fathom how "any bull" can mean something other than "any bull".

Some seem to lack a keen sense of the obvious.

But "any bull" doesn't truly mean "any bull" when it comes to bull calves. :IBCOOL:
Title: Re: New to the permit game
Post by: Bullkllr on May 07, 2014, 05:58:15 PM: "Some people call me the space cowboy, yeah...

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I'm a midnight..."
Title: Re: New to the permit game
Post by: GurrCentral on May 07, 2014, 06:42:00 PM: Quote from: Bob33 on May 07, 2014, 07:43:17 AM
Wow. I can't fathom how "any bull" can mean something other than "any bull".

Some seem to lack a keen sense of the obvious.

:yeah: :bash: