Post by: stevemiller on May 13, 2014, 11:37:01 PM
Post by: buglebuster on May 13, 2014, 11:44:10 PM
Post by: stevemiller on May 13, 2014, 11:45:19 PM
Post by: buglebuster on May 14, 2014, 12:14:33 AM
Post by: RadSav on May 14, 2014, 12:15:11 AM
I know a few Klickitat bowhunters that have seen more cats over the last few years than deer. Not saying they are good deer hunters...but apparently they stumble upon plenty of cats. Hard to find a Klick turkey hunter that doesn't have a cat story or two. Could probably cut down on the number of cats quite a bit if they extended the late cougar season until May 1st. That would give turkey hunters 15 days to help thin the population.
Post by: stevemiller on May 14, 2014, 12:21:52 AM
Post by: stevemiller on May 14, 2014, 12:49:23 AM
Post by: bobcat on May 14, 2014, 06:39:50 AM
Post by: rtspring on May 14, 2014, 06:54:54 AM
What is interesting is they are not found in what used to be good areas. Scout around and look for pockets, they are for sure making a comeback.
Rtspring
Post by: TriggerMike on May 14, 2014, 07:45:58 PM
Post by: TriggerMike on May 14, 2014, 07:48:59 PM
Post by: buglebuster on May 14, 2014, 08:15:14 PM
Post by: muleyslayer on May 14, 2014, 09:03:34 PM
From what I've seen, the deer ARE making a comeback. I have started seeing deer in areas I haven't seen them since late 90's, and not just a few. It's been noticeable numbers :dunno:yes I agree I've been seeing more and more deer in my areas.
Post by: buglebuster on May 14, 2014, 09:38:07 PM
I see mostly characteristics of mule deer in my chukar hunting areas. mule/black mix on the river for the most part, benchlegs in the beginning of timber to about 5 miles from the crest, and then you start seeing straight blacktail. The deer at the ski area are blacktail.What about the deer you've killed in the area? What characteristics do they have?
Yes, deer are somewhat coming back. Seen 65 total in 12 miles I hiked late last fall.
Post by: c.jones on May 15, 2014, 02:52:43 PM
Post by: RadSav on May 15, 2014, 04:21:50 PM
Protect predators, kill off all the big game, close hunting seasons, greenies win and the master plan is complete compliments of WDFW, WSU activists and uneducated voters of Washington.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on May 15, 2014, 08:43:06 PM
I doubt it has much effect in that area. No longer running cats with dogs probably has the greatest effect IMO. Save one kitty = 20+ dead deer each year plus dozens of turkey polts. Eat all the deer = kitty moves on to better hunting grounds. But at least we don't harass the poor little kitty and endanger the poor little puppies. :bash:don't forget rad, if there is no hunting then why do you need a gun.............
Protect predators, kill off all the big game, close hunting seasons, greenies win and the master plan is complete compliments of WDFW, WSU activists and uneducated voters of Washington.
Post by: turbo on May 16, 2014, 02:03:47 PM
All I got out of that is the WDFW I broke? Wut? How? :bash: :bash: Sound like they manage their money and the WDFW as well as they manage our state wildlife. Pathetic!
Post by: finnman on May 16, 2014, 02:19:47 PM
Post by: kirkl on May 17, 2014, 08:23:18 PM
Post by: RadSav on May 17, 2014, 08:35:19 PM
don't forget rad, if there is no hunting then why do you need a gun.............
That's exactly it too!
If the wolves prove to control numbers in the park then why do we need hunters to control populations everywhere else? Bye bye guns and all hunting, welcome predators. And then you don't want to disrupt the predators so no motor vehicles off pavement, no hiking off of trails and no timber cutting...the greenies and enviroterrorists dream come true.
Post by: stevemiller on May 17, 2014, 08:47:17 PM
Post by: sakoshooter on May 17, 2014, 11:46:49 PM
They could have saved about $175,000 and just asked hunters. No big secret the cougar population in that region is out of control. In fact it seems to be spilling over the mountain too. We've seen a spike in cougar numbers all the way to the Southern Toutle. No coincidence the deer numbers have been crashing at the same time! Over half the hoof rot elk we see dead in spring have been fed upon by cats too.
I know a few Klickitat bowhunters that have seen more cats over the last few years than deer. Not saying they are good deer hunters...but apparently they stumble upon plenty of cats. Hard to find a Klick turkey hunter that doesn't have a cat story or two. Could probably cut down on the number of cats quite a bit if they extended the late cougar season until May 1st. That would give turkey hunters 15 days to help thin the population.
Definitely have to agree w/ya on this one RAD.
From the emails and a single phone call with the WDFW, the answers I received were cougars and Indians.
Post by: chinookie23 on May 20, 2014, 01:06:41 PM
They could have saved about $175,000 and just asked hunters. No big secret the cougar population in that region is out of control. In fact it seems to be spilling over the mountain too. We've seen a spike in cougar numbers all the way to the Southern Toutle. No coincidence the deer numbers have been crashing at the same time! Over half the hoof rot elk we see dead in spring have been fed upon by cats too.
I know a few Klickitat bowhunters that have seen more cats over the last few years than deer. Not saying they are good deer hunters...but apparently they stumble upon plenty of cats. Hard to find a Klick turkey hunter that doesn't have a cat story or two. Could probably cut down on the number of cats quite a bit if they extended the late cougar season until May 1st. That would give turkey hunters 15 days to help thin the population.
Definitely have to agree w/ya on this one RAD.
From the emails and a single phone call with the WDFW, the answers I received were cougars and Indians.
Ya its not the 250,000 sporties in the woods deer hunting. its just the cougars and indians .... PLEASE!!! you WHINE because there hunting and WHINE when they are actually trying to help figure out why the herds arent rebounding...... the state isnt doing anything at least someone is trying to....
Post by: Tbar on May 20, 2014, 01:49:53 PM
I also believe they have the resources and ability to address the predator problem. The people conducting these are competent and knowledgeable.
Post by: stevemiller on May 20, 2014, 03:09:26 PM
Post by: canyelk48 on May 20, 2014, 05:16:46 PM
Post by: stevemiller on May 20, 2014, 05:38:34 PM
Post by: canyelk48 on May 20, 2014, 06:35:06 PM
Post by: jdb on May 20, 2014, 06:43:30 PM
I suppose, :yeah: But me personally I havnt heard so much with the indians killing a bunch of deer,Just the Elk.Can you point me to the deer stories?don't ever kid yourself they slaughter deer as well
Post by: bowhunterwa87 on May 20, 2014, 06:47:11 PM
Post by: buckfvr29 on May 20, 2014, 07:06:54 PM
Post by: Tbar on May 20, 2014, 07:10:10 PM
Interesting that they didn't factor in the annual slaughter of deer by their own tribal members and the Yakimas as part of the reason that the population isn't rebounding. They fill the beds of their pickups with deer (and elk), every year until the snow gets too deep on the roads for them to drive their rigs. Too many people have witnessed them doing this for anyone to deny that it doesn't happen. Two-legged predators is the real problem.It's not Yakama doing the study. If you think the Muckleshoot is slaughtering deer on the east side (yes they have started hunting there) you are kidding yourself. They have very strict regs and mandatory reporting. I wish there was a little recognition when somebody tries to do something right. They have one of the top bios in the West and resources (I.e. hounds) to address some of the issues that are negatives in the overall dynamic of the herd. The Yakama tribe has their own thoughts on management of the wildlife populations. I commend the people trying to change things for the better and who have a focus on the future game populations for all involved.
Post by: stevemiller on May 20, 2014, 07:15:52 PM
Post by: grundy53 on May 20, 2014, 07:16:54 PM
If you believe the mucks aren't slaughtering the deer and elk YOU are kidding yourself...Interesting that they didn't factor in the annual slaughter of deer by their own tribal members and the Yakimas as part of the reason that the population isn't rebounding. They fill the beds of their pickups with deer (and elk), every year until the snow gets too deep on the roads for them to drive their rigs. Too many people have witnessed them doing this for anyone to deny that it doesn't happen. Two-legged predators is the real problem.It's not Yakama doing the study. If you think the Muckleshoot is slaughtering deer on the east side (yes they have started hunting there) you are kidding yourself. They have very strict regs and mandatory reporting. I wish there was a little recognition when somebody tries to do something right. They have one of the top bios in the West and resources (I.e. hounds) to address some of the issues that are negatives in the overall dynamic of the herd. The Yakama tribe has their own thoughts on management of the wildlife populations. I commend the people trying to change things for the better and who have a focus on the future game populations for all involved.
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Post by: Tbar on May 20, 2014, 07:21:19 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on May 20, 2014, 09:23:32 PM
If you said weren't I would agree but I will whole heartedly disagree with you. I can produce solid facts and numbers, something I haven't seen in opposing arguments.I'm not bashing or telling you that your wrong, but harvest reports are dependant on individuals actually reporting. Historically, the tribes willingness to track harvests have not been stellar. Some of us on here actually live in these units and I will tell you that I see more mucks than I do Yaks. I also have seen in the last two years, a larger number of mucks during the early season (Sept). One thing I will say is at least the Mucks ARE TRYING to do something. More than I can say about Yakama tribe. Our deer get hammered by predators from Jan to Dec, two legged and 4 and we wonder why they aren't multiplying. This is why I choose not to hunt Yakima GMU's anymore.
Post by: stevemiller on May 20, 2014, 09:30:06 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on May 20, 2014, 09:34:03 PM
Post by: stevemiller on May 20, 2014, 09:36:03 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on May 20, 2014, 09:38:46 PM
:chuckle: Ok I will give you that one.:chuckle: And for the record, I'm not even blaming the tribes for the drop in deer numbers as I believe 4 legged predators kill more deer and elk in a month than humans do in a year in these units. I'm just pointing out what I have observed and experienced in the last 20 years of really being up in the mountains regularly.
Post by: stevemiller on May 20, 2014, 09:42:06 PM
Post by: stevemiller on May 20, 2014, 09:43:11 PM
Post by: canyelk48 on May 20, 2014, 09:43:57 PM
There's a reason why they get a bad rap. When I was younger we used to hunt Wyoming every chance we got. A W. Wa guy that loves to hunt is glued to the window once the rig crests the first pass. Don't get to see a lot of game grazing fields on our side of the rocky top. We'd litterally be lined up on both sides of the motor home, bino's in hand, trying to count points while on the move, especially once we hit MT. We took 90 till Billings, then headed south. As soon as we made that turn, that was the time for a nap. You pass through the Crow res., seems like it took about 2 hrs or so, BIG res compared to ours, and you never saw so much as a squirrel. That is generally good deer/lope country, but we NEVER saw anything once we hit that res. Just saying, I draw conclusions from experience and it wasn't a one time occurrence.I hear you on that subject! I've driven through the Crow Rez. numerous times when I've gone to Broadus to hunt deer and not once have I ever seen a deer or other big game animal, live or road kill, when passing through their lands.
Post by: Tbar on May 20, 2014, 09:52:25 PM
I'm in complete agreement. Reporting has been a major point of emphasis as of late (I also agree it was almost non existent in the past).If you said weren't I would agree but I will whole heartedly disagree with you. I can produce solid facts and numbers, something I haven't seen in opposing arguments.I'm not bashing or telling you that your wrong, but harvest reports are dependant on individuals actually reporting. Historically, the tribes willingness to track harvests have not been stellar. Some of us on here actually live in these units and I will tell you that I see more mucks than I do Yaks. I also have seen in the last two years, a larger number of mucks during the early season (Sept). One thing I will say is at least the Mucks ARE TRYING to do something. More than I can say about Yakama tribe. Our deer get hammered by predators from Jan to Dec, two legged and 4 and we wonder why they aren't multiplying. This is why I choose not to hunt Yakima GMU's anymore.
Post by: Wiley on May 24, 2014, 07:11:35 AM
Post by: buglebuster on May 24, 2014, 07:38:48 AM
A few rosies:dunno:
Post by: bobcat on May 24, 2014, 02:03:05 PM
A few rosies:dunno:
:yeah: Nice pictures but what's that have to do with deer in Yakima?