Post by: Gringo31 on May 28, 2014, 06:18:52 AM
What I'm looking for is someone who lives close by or personally knows Michelle who can get a straight answer on what is up. I have prepaid in full for two rugs and live 5 hours from there. I'm looking for advice and am NOT looking for another thread of unproductive bashing (if I want to see that, there are plenty of other threads to read up on). I'd like some advice on who could finish the work and how best to attempt getting refunded for work prepaid but not completed.
If I could find someone willing to do this for me, I'd like to work out with them how I could make it worth their while.
Thx,
Gringo
Post by: grundy53 on May 28, 2014, 06:30:56 AM
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Post by: Gringo31 on May 28, 2014, 06:38:04 AM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on May 28, 2014, 07:08:01 AM
Post by: Gringo31 on May 28, 2014, 07:16:12 AM
I can see how this may have come across as looking for someone to do my "dirtywork". That wasn't my intent. I have no problems facing conflict. I do have trouble getting very far from home. If someone was closeby and willing, I'd be willing to work something out for their trouble. My biggest fear is driving over there to then not be able to find her......then what?
Post by: 92xj on May 28, 2014, 07:22:44 AM
Driving five hours on a chance she might not open the door to you is a risk and pretty crappy but I don't see another option to get your stuff back.
I'm assuming you've tried all the contact numbers and addresses for her and have got no response back?
Post by: CAMPMEAT on May 28, 2014, 07:28:02 AM
Campmeat,
I can see how this may have come across as looking for someone to do my "dirtywork". That wasn't my intent. I have no problems facing conflict. I do have trouble getting very far from home. If someone was closeby and willing, I'd be willing to work something out for their trouble. My biggest fear is driving over there to then not be able to find her......then what?
I know. If you drove over there, you probably couldn't find her anyhow........ :tup:
Post by: scottcrb on May 28, 2014, 07:31:46 AM
Post by: BKMFR on May 28, 2014, 07:33:53 AM
Post by: Band on May 28, 2014, 09:42:56 AM
Post by: Gringo31 on May 28, 2014, 10:11:52 AM
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,76252.0.html (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,76252.0.html)
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,59550.25.html (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,59550.25.html)
Post by: h20hunter on May 28, 2014, 10:38:58 AM
Post by: jackelope on May 28, 2014, 10:45:10 AM
Post by: Timberstalker on May 28, 2014, 11:04:09 AM
Post by: Colville on May 28, 2014, 11:06:50 AM
Post by: Taco280AI on May 28, 2014, 11:08:54 AM
Post by: snowpack on May 28, 2014, 11:12:42 AM
Post by: jackelope on May 28, 2014, 11:16:59 AM
You'd think that with the frequency of these threads popping up on here, that someone involved would be checking in on here more regularly to make contact to prevent these threads.
If you're suggesting mods or admins check in on her, it's not our job to check in on her. With that said, other people besides dissatisfied customers have tried to make contact through multiple avenues to no avail.
:dunno:
Maybe I'm missing what you're suggesting.
Post by: snowpack on May 28, 2014, 11:27:28 AM
No, not mods. If I had a business that was on here a lot and a bunch of threads started to pop up concerning it...I'd be on here more often and checking the inbox to prevent even more threads.You'd think that with the frequency of these threads popping up on here, that someone involved would be checking in on here more regularly to make contact to prevent these threads.
If you're suggesting mods or admins check in on her, it's not our job to check in on her. With that said, other people besides dissatisfied customers have tried to make contact through multiple avenues to no avail.
:dunno:
Maybe I'm missing what you're suggesting.
Post by: jackelope on May 28, 2014, 11:32:55 AM
No, not mods. If I had a business that was on here a lot and a bunch of threads started to pop up concerning it...I'd be on here more often and checking the inbox to prevent even more threads.You'd think that with the frequency of these threads popping up on here, that someone involved would be checking in on here more regularly to make contact to prevent these threads.
If you're suggesting mods or admins check in on her, it's not our job to check in on her. With that said, other people besides dissatisfied customers have tried to make contact through multiple avenues to no avail.
:dunno:
Maybe I'm missing what you're suggesting.
She's been removed as a sponsor, advertiser, and moderator....so for all intents and purposes, her business is not "on here" anymore. I do agree with what you're saying...that's what a responsible business owner would/should do.
Post by: bobcat on May 28, 2014, 12:14:07 PM
Post by: ICEMAN on May 28, 2014, 12:54:15 PM
Post by: Band on May 28, 2014, 03:11:09 PM
Class action lawsuit? Go all out and round up every single customer of hers that has yet to receive goods. ..They probably need a former customer to be an expert witness. Know anyone? ;)
Post by: Bean Counter on May 28, 2014, 03:14:58 PM
If she won't reply at all,... Small claims? Sometimes just getting served is sufficient to change a person's tune. Might not, but it can't hurt. If she doesn't show to court, then record the judgement in superior court and you have a lien on her home and a mar to her credit record. You'll have to go prepared to establish the value of your property in her possession and that can't be based on your opinion. I know there's no money that can replace the stuff, the purpose of a suit is to get the ball rolling again.
I've never actually sued someone but my understanding is that in small claims court its actually pretty cheap and easy. If you have a good case its not hard to win, either. Getting bad people to pay up can be another story.
Post by: Becky on May 28, 2014, 03:50:09 PM
If she won't reply at all,... Small claims? Sometimes just getting served is sufficient to change a person's tune. Might not, but it can't hurt. If she doesn't show to court, then record the judgement in superior court and you have a lien on her home and a mar to her credit record. You'll have to go prepared to establish the value of your property in her possession and that can't be based on your opinion. I know there's no money that can replace the stuff, the purpose of a suit is to get the ball rolling again.
I've never actually sued someone but my understanding is that in small claims court its actually pretty cheap and easy. If you have a good case its not hard to win, either. Getting bad people to pay up can be another story.
:yeah: I sought out and spoke to a lawyer once about an issue I had with money owed to me.. basically the lawyer said WA is one of the worst states for civil cases/monetary judgement. He said you can win a case fairly easy with the right evidence, but GETTING ANYTHING after you have a judgement is a whole other issue. Basically no laws for it once you have your judgement and it's up to you to get that money (almost in the same predicament you were in before). So you win, you get a judgement, then if the person chooses to not pay up then most of the time people are forced to sell their judgement to collection agencies for only (at a high end) of 20% of what's owed.
It would have cost me more to hire this lawyer than I would have got in return, I almost went for it, just on principal to stick it to the person but decided I'd lost enough money already.
Post by: Colville on May 28, 2014, 04:21:37 PM
knock knock knock..... "hello", "Ms are you Michelle Nelson", "Yes". "You've been served, have a nice day".
Getting served with suit will get those that have been lazy rather than devious to get off their but and prevent getting the judgment against them. Once a judgement is moved from small claims and recorded in superior court it becomes a lien against their home and tracks with credit. That's real harm that you would want to avoid if all it would take is opening your freezer and handing a guy back his bear. It will cost the OP 5 hours driving and $35 filing fee. Service can also be done by registered mail.
For this case I'd attach the registered mail envelope to a huge box so that she might think she was signing for a hide.
Post by: billythekidrock on May 28, 2014, 05:06:25 PM
Campmeat,
I can see how this may have come across as looking for someone to do my "dirtywork". That wasn't my intent. I have no problems facing conflict. I do have trouble getting very far from home. If someone was closeby and willing, I'd be willing to work something out for their trouble. My biggest fear is driving over there to then not be able to find her......then what?
I understand what you are saying and would help you out if I could. But I can already tell you that she will not release someone's mounts to anyone other than the owner. I get the idea, but it gets to be ridiculous when it is advantageous and expeditious to all.
I suggest trying to contact her in every way possible (especially Facebook), multiple times.
Post by: huntnphool on May 28, 2014, 05:16:10 PM
Post by: Gringo31 on May 28, 2014, 06:07:15 PM
Post by: Band on May 28, 2014, 06:44:28 PM
Post by: KFhunter on May 28, 2014, 06:51:24 PM
Thank you guys who have offered solutions and helped directly. I was able to reach Michelle today and believe we have worked out a firm date of July 3rd to pick up completed work. I will keep you posted :tup:
I hope that rug is just as exceptional as any rug that Michelle's ever turned out and then some.
We've all seen a gigantic amount of complaints about her business on HW and elsewhere, but none about the quality of work she does.
Let's hope that holds true for you :tup:
Post by: grundy53 on May 28, 2014, 06:56:33 PM
:yeah:Thank you guys who have offered solutions and helped directly. I was able to reach Michelle today and believe we have worked out a firm date of July 3rd to pick up completed work. I will keep you posted :tup:
I hope that rug is just as exceptional as any rug that Michelle's ever turned out and then some.
We've all seen a gigantic amount of complaints about her business on HW and elsewhere, but none about the quality of work she does.
Let's hope that holds true for you :tup:
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Post by: huntnphool on May 28, 2014, 07:27:31 PM
I'll give you a deposit of 50% congratulations on that resolution today and the other 50% when you actually get the bear back. ;):chuckle:
Post by: Pathfinder101 on May 30, 2014, 03:01:49 PM
Post by: ruttnbuck on May 31, 2014, 11:03:36 PM
Post by: HntnFsh on June 01, 2014, 07:33:48 AM
Just want to share whats been a positive experience so far.
Post by: Gringo31 on June 02, 2014, 11:38:39 AM
May 28th as posted on here that I had I communicated with Michelle and that we came up with end date of July 3rd to pick up completed rugs. There were some details that followed and I've been asking her to confirm those details to be certain we are on the same page. After 2 emails and 2 text messages to her, I've yet to get a reply.....
I'm having difficulty giving her the benefit of the doubt and once again am back to the same scenario of not being sure just what to expect.....
Gringo
Post by: HntnFsh on June 02, 2014, 07:11:51 PM
Post by: billythekidrock on June 03, 2014, 05:33:54 AM
She has been on there a lot in the last few days.
Post by: Gringo31 on June 03, 2014, 06:14:44 AM
She sent me a text yesterday that read, "I talked to you about this over the phone". I replied with 3 more texts and believe that is all I'm going to receive.
Post by: Band on June 03, 2014, 04:54:58 PM
Post by: rosscrazyelk on June 07, 2014, 08:23:38 AM
I hope she seeks help because she did great work. And a respectful taxidermist told me that she does the best work on bears hands down.
Hope everything gets worked out for everyone
Post by: Gringo31 on June 19, 2014, 11:46:01 AM
It's now 2 weeks from the agreed upon pickup date. I was mistaken and I have not paid in full. I'm trying to find out how much I still owe her (while I do have a ballpark guess). This number I'm told, won't be known "until they are rugged". So.... I left her a voice mail today as well as a facebook message asking if she had the final number yet.
I'm really hoping this goes as planned....but I am nervous.
Post by: jackelope on June 19, 2014, 12:14:28 PM
Post by: Gringo31 on June 19, 2014, 12:20:51 PM
Post by: bobcat on June 19, 2014, 12:46:58 PM
Were there some unknown factors, such as something that needed to be fixed, that's not an ordinary part of the rugging process?
Post by: jackelope on June 19, 2014, 12:52:46 PM
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Wow.
:o
Post by: h20hunter on June 19, 2014, 12:54:40 PM
Post by: hirshey on June 19, 2014, 01:02:53 PM
Post by: Cascade on June 19, 2014, 01:33:31 PM
Post by: Gringo31 on June 19, 2014, 01:44:57 PM
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Why would the price change after it's done?
Her words..
"This is just a close guess as to the remaining balance. I can not get an actual bill figured out exactly until both rugs have been stretched and measured."
also
"Like I said this is a guess because neither hide has been measured..."
Post by: bobcat on June 19, 2014, 01:49:16 PM
Post by: h20hunter on June 19, 2014, 01:49:44 PM
Post by: jgoetz on June 19, 2014, 02:00:10 PM
Post by: Gringo31 on June 19, 2014, 04:07:54 PM
Just got a text from her saying she'd call me in the morning! :tup:
Post by: TRB on June 19, 2014, 04:21:16 PM
Post by: MtnMuley on June 19, 2014, 04:25:20 PM
On the BRIGHT SIDE......
Just got a text from her saying she'd call me in the morning! :tup:
What morning?............. :rolleyes:
Post by: bearpaw on June 19, 2014, 06:15:03 PM
Sorry to hijack the thread gringo but am watching and hoping your bear gets done as planned. My bear from 2011 is still with her and I have been promised multiple times that she "working on my bear now" and that it should be done soon. It has been nearly a month from my last unanswered pm. Moderators felt it good to shut my thread down I suspect to protect her. I would not be in business if I treated my customers like she does hers. Why is her stuff still on sticky on top of taxiderm thread?
Due to the fact that numerous members had problems she was removed from being a moderator and later after more problems arose she was removed from being a sponsor. The topic I think you are referring to provides valuable info to members. I understand you are upset at her but I see no reason to remove valuable info from being available to members who might need that info. I hope that makes sense, if you think we are missing something that is commercial advertising in nature rather than informational, please advise?
Post by: TRB on June 19, 2014, 06:56:40 PM
Post by: h20hunter on June 19, 2014, 06:59:30 PM
Post by: Gringo31 on June 19, 2014, 08:25:11 PM
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Why is her stuff still on sticky on top of taxidermy thread?
I agree with Bearpaw that there is good info on there and think it should stay. At the time many of us were looking for a taxi, Michelle had a great reputation. I don't feel that the information posted is any less valuable even if a reputation were to change. :twocents: It wouldn't take too much research to see the current risks.... That being said, it is my hope that 2-3 years from now, all of this is behind her. I hope she can look back, advise others on how she fought through that tough spot in her life with nothing but smooth sailing and success from there on out :tup:
Post by: Button Nubbs on June 19, 2014, 10:26:10 PM
Post by: bearpaw on June 19, 2014, 10:33:18 PM
Bearpaw, I can understand your position but I must tell you I disagree with keeping her thread at the top of the taxidermy page. I read that page and found it very informative and helpful and that is primary reason I chose michelle. My thread is closed and down the line in obscurity. It should be displayed as warning to others who may come to this site just as her info thread is displayed. She has broke my contract along with many others, she has my bear, and she has my money. She has the only bear i have ever shot and she has my hard earned American dollars. Yes, I'm angry and I'm tired of people standing up for her and locking up my thread. Why is she still at the top of this site even if for informational purposes?
I suspect you came on here with a few posts and attacked a long time member before we all knew there was a real problem. How do you suppose that looks?
Post by: MtnMuley on June 19, 2014, 10:45:37 PM
Post by: bearpaw on June 19, 2014, 10:48:07 PM
LOL, really?? Attacked?? TRB, don't take that personal. Many of us understand.
I said I suspected that is what happened, he has a vey low post count.
TRB, I found your topic and unlocked it till you get your rug, keep it civil and let us know when you get your rug.
Post by: TRB on June 20, 2014, 05:28:35 AM
Post by: bearpaw on June 20, 2014, 05:43:43 AM
Post by: Gringo31 on June 25, 2014, 10:15:26 AM
She did as she said and called me the next day. There was some concern of the normal hangers and the size of the bear, specifically the head. There also seems to be a hang up on getting the felt backing from Jo-Ann Fabric. She said she'd call Monday to update me.
Monday came and she called :tup: Said still an issue with the fabric, waiting for it to come in for both the goat and the bear. She sent me pics of the bear but is concerned about making our deadline of July 3rd. She talked about bringing it out to me 2 weeks later. Time will tell.....
Yes, it's been too long but I have to give her credit for the increased communication. It's an appreciated improvement.
Post by: billythekidrock on June 25, 2014, 06:54:39 PM
Post by: Gringo31 on June 27, 2014, 07:21:56 PM
Deadline will get missed, plan is for her to bring them to my place mid July.
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on June 27, 2014, 07:36:58 PM
Post by: stevemiller on June 27, 2014, 09:32:44 PM
Post by: Gringo31 on July 07, 2014, 04:39:21 PM
I could see where it's only been 4 days since I asked her when she'd bring them out, and she might need a little more time to actually know. But... in this situation I think a reply is necessary.
I wish I would have just picked them up "as is" a long time ago. I have some vacation time coming and it's my intent to get them into my hands in the next 30 days.....I just hope she follows through this time. It would just be SOOOO much simpler.
Post by: Curly on July 10, 2014, 08:21:47 AM
Post by: Gringo31 on July 10, 2014, 08:37:07 AM
Post by: Taco280AI on July 14, 2014, 04:35:16 PM
Tuesday the 8th she told me, "right now it's looking like between the 21st and the 26th".
Is that November or December she's referring to?
Post by: Gringo31 on July 20, 2014, 05:53:21 AM
Post by: TRB on July 30, 2014, 01:08:34 PM
Post by: Gringo31 on July 30, 2014, 01:17:03 PM
I have not, but I'm told tomorrow. Reminds me of that song by little orphan Annie....."its only a day away". After tomorrow the 31st, it's been agreed that the remaining balance will drop $50/day.
Post by: Band on July 30, 2014, 02:56:36 PM
After tomorrow the 31st, it's been agreed that the remaining balance will drop $50/day.I'll be amazed if you actually get it tomorrow but this is certainly a positive sign. :tup:
Post by: dscubame on July 30, 2014, 03:26:16 PM
Post by: Becky on July 30, 2014, 03:32:08 PM
Liquidated damages of $50 each day late.... I like the style.
I wonder if everyone else in this same exact situation will get this offer as well :dunno:
Post by: MLBowhunting on July 30, 2014, 03:53:47 PM
Post by: Gringo31 on August 01, 2014, 06:40:30 AM
I'm glad this chapter is closed. I'll post some pics later
Post by: h20hunter on August 01, 2014, 07:02:23 AM
Post by: Band on August 01, 2014, 08:26:25 AM
Post by: jackelope on August 01, 2014, 11:34:26 AM
Very happy to hear this.
Now post some pictures.
:)
Post by: Gringo31 on August 01, 2014, 01:35:55 PM
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Post by: luvmystang67 on August 01, 2014, 01:39:25 PM
Post by: sirmissalot on September 02, 2014, 03:48:36 PM