Post by: Curly on June 10, 2014, 09:36:16 AM
But, with that said, isn't there a law that says a hunter is not required to use the meat? I swear there at least used to be wording to that effect in the regs. I can't find it anymore.
I thought they said you didn't have to use the meat of cougar or bobcats. Has that changed now? :dunno:
I know some people would be squeamish about eating cat. I don't think I'd get my wife to eat it.
Post by: idaho guy on June 10, 2014, 09:48:36 AM
Post by: jrebel on June 10, 2014, 09:49:10 AM
I don't know the answer, though I have been told that cougar meat is AMAZING!! If I am ever lucky enough to kill a cougar, I am at least going to try it. :tup:
Post by: Bob33 on June 10, 2014, 09:54:55 AM
Use this site to search the WACs and RCWs: http://search.leg.wa.gov/ (http://search.leg.wa.gov/)
Enter the search parameters, select "Document", and click on both RCW and WAC under Law Documents.
Post by: Curly on June 10, 2014, 09:58:15 AM
Post by: boneaddict on June 10, 2014, 10:00:43 AM
Post by: bobcat on June 10, 2014, 10:09:09 AM
I used mine for dog food, so it didnt go to waste.
That's probably what I would do.
Post by: boneaddict on June 10, 2014, 10:14:22 AM
Post by: Curly on June 10, 2014, 10:15:19 AM
Post by: lokidog on June 10, 2014, 10:26:51 AM
I used mine for dog food, so it didnt go to waste.
That's probably what I would do.
You guys are nuts, give me your meat, including backstraps next time and I will buy you some dog food.... The backstraps are as good, or better, than any pork loin you can buy and the rest makes good burger.
I don't think I'd get my wife to eat it.
Mine loves it.
Post by: Curly on June 10, 2014, 10:30:38 AM
Post by: Curly on June 10, 2014, 10:36:42 AM
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(76) "Waste" means to allow any edible portion of any game mammal (except cougar) or game bird to be rendered unfit for human consumption, or, to fail to retrieve edible portions, except internal organs, of such game mammals or game birds from the field. Entrails, including the heart and liver, are not considered edible.
Note, they also define "game animals". Something WA state probably should do. :twocents:
Post by: Stein on June 10, 2014, 10:48:39 AM
There is no law.
Use this site to search the WACs and RCWs: http://search.leg.wa.gov/ (http://search.leg.wa.gov/)
Enter the search parameters, select "Document", and click on both RCW and WAC under Law Documents.
RCW 77.15.170
Waste of fish and wildlife — Penalty.
*** CHANGE IN 2014 *** (SEE 6041-S.SL) ***
(1) A person is guilty of waste of fish and wildlife if:
(a) The person kills, takes, or possesses fish, shellfish, or wildlife having a value of two hundred fifty dollars or more or wildlife classified as big game; and
(b) The person recklessly allows such fish, shellfish, or wildlife to be wasted.
(2) Waste of fish and wildlife is a gross misdemeanor. Upon conviction, the department shall revoke any license or tag used in the crime and shall order suspension of the person's privileges to engage in the activity in which the person committed waste of fish and wildlife for a period of one year.
(3) It is prima facie evidence of waste if:
(a) A processor purchases or engages a quantity of food fish, shellfish, or game fish that cannot be processed within sixty hours after the food fish, game fish, or shellfish are taken from the water, unless the food fish, game fish, or shellfish are preserved in good marketable condition; or
(b) A person brings a big game animal to a wildlife meat cutter and then abandons the animal. For purposes of this subsection (3)(b), a big game animal is deemed to be abandoned when its carcass is placed in the custody of a wildlife meat cutter for butchering and processing and:
(i) Having been placed in such custody for an unspecified period of time, the meat is not removed within thirty days after the wildlife meat cutter gives notice to the person who brought in the carcass or, having been so notified, the person who brought in the carcass refuses or fails to pay the agreed upon or reasonable charges for the butchering or processing of the carcass; or
(ii) Having been placed in such custody for a specified period of time, the meat is not removed at the end of the specified period or the person who brought in the carcass refuses to pay the agreed upon or reasonable charges for the butchering or processing of the carcass.
[2012 c 176 § 16; 1999 c 258 § 5; 1998 c 190 § 21.]
It's on page 81 of the regs as well. "Big Game" is defined on page 16.
Post by: vandeman17 on June 10, 2014, 10:50:40 AM
Post by: arrowflinger on June 10, 2014, 10:54:10 AM
Post by: Tree Killer on June 10, 2014, 01:55:46 PM
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Here's a big piece of marinated backstrap I grilled, just like pork loin.
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I canned quite a bit of it, been using it in various recipes...like predator/prey stew. Lion and deer in the same pot! :tup:
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Post by: Curly on June 10, 2014, 01:57:11 PM
Post by: jasnt on June 10, 2014, 02:21:52 PM
this wont help with washington but in Idaho you do not need to salvage the meat. We do eat it and it is good. I usually make peperoni sticks out of the hingquarters and just steak the backstraps. You could make peperoni sticks out of any meat and it would be good I think but I would definitely eat it if you get one.I've had cougar pepperoni sticks before :tup:
Post by: mxryder909 on June 12, 2014, 06:57:56 AM
I eat it every year, and enjoy the hing quater. Tasty!!!
Post by: bucklucky on June 12, 2014, 08:34:11 AM
Post by: dingle on June 12, 2014, 10:07:54 AM
Post by: bobcat on June 12, 2014, 07:31:48 PM
Predator meat is not for me, I've hunted Africa several times and the parasite content of predator meat is too high for my taste. If you must eat it, cook it thoroughly and make sure its handled well.
Exactly why I have no desire to eat cougar meat.
Post by: Threewolves on June 13, 2014, 07:43:45 AM
This was from back in the hound hunting days. I was new to hunting cougars I drew a tag (a great way to manage hound hunting and still allow hound hunting). I killed this long tail with some help from a friend with dogs and other hound hunters. They other hound hunters asked me if I wanted the meat and started arguing over the meat before I could reply. I thought there has to be something to this so I told them I was keeping the meat. One of the best decisions I ever made, some of the best meat I have ever ate.
I had a house warming and allot of multicultural folks over cooking out. One of my friends bite into some cougar meat, then asked what it was. I told him it was kitty cat, cougar. You seen the look on his face like eck, then he says you know this is really, really good.
Try it you will like it. Come to find out it was also one of the preferred meats of the Mountain Men. Paul
Post by: Threewolves on June 13, 2014, 07:56:57 AM
Post by: Curly on June 13, 2014, 08:23:53 AM
Well, I just think it is a shame that this state makes a hunter keep the meat if they are uncomfortable eating it. Oregon and Idaho allow the meat to be wasted.Predator meat is not for me, I've hunted Africa several times and the parasite content of predator meat is too high for my taste. If you must eat it, cook it thoroughly and make sure its handled well.
Exactly why I have no desire to eat cougar meat.
like I say, I will probably keep the meat (instead of finding someone to give it to) if I ever get lucky and shoot one, but I know I would be eating it alone at my house.
Post by: bobcat on June 13, 2014, 08:27:01 AM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on June 13, 2014, 08:52:47 AM
Post by: bobcat on June 13, 2014, 08:55:13 AM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on June 13, 2014, 08:59:35 AM
Post by: Curly on June 13, 2014, 09:35:35 AM
Of course if you just skin it and throw it in the garbage, I guess that is ok. :rolleyes: :o
I just started this thread because of the legal question about leaving a coyote lay. I had mistakenly thought the law in WA used to say it was okay to not use cougar meat..........but I found out that I remembered incorrectly and was thinking of the Oregon regulations. :twocents:
Post by: bobcat on June 13, 2014, 09:37:48 AM
Post by: jasnt on June 13, 2014, 07:43:37 PM
Like I said before, I think cougar meat would be great for feeding the dog. :tup:
+1
Would save ya a little cash too :tup:
Post by: lokidog on June 13, 2014, 10:08:57 PM
Like I said before, I think cougar meat would be great for feeding the dog. :tup:
+1
Would save ya a little cash too :tup:
Really? One 40 lb bag of dog food saved... big $$.... :dunno: What a waste when there are lots of people on this site that would love them vittles. :twocents:
Post by: Humptulips on June 13, 2014, 10:43:32 PM
I agree though, shame to throw away. Fine eating.
Post by: bigtex on June 13, 2014, 10:50:10 PM
Bigtex says you just have to bring it home and throw it in your garbage can. That way it won't go to waste. :tup: :chuckle:My intent of that statement was that no officer would follow somebody home to see if they truely used the animal. Is throwing the animal in the garbage wastage? Well who knows because there's no wastage definition. But it's a lot easier to say that the guy who shot the coyote and left it in the field is wasting it as compared to the guy who threw it in the back of his pickup.
Post by: Simcoe hunter on June 13, 2014, 11:04:31 PM
Predator meat is not for me, I've hunted Africa several times and the parasite content of predator meat is too high for my taste. If you must eat it, cook it thoroughly and make sure its handled well.
Ditto for me on that one. Most recent case of trichinosis in Klickitat Co. Was in 2007. Gentleman hadn't cooked his cougar as well as he should have.
Post by: Sliverslinger on June 13, 2014, 11:34:19 PM
Post by: timberhunter on June 13, 2014, 11:55:18 PM
Post by: lokidog on June 14, 2014, 08:46:12 AM
Predator meat is not for me, I've hunted Africa several times and the parasite content of predator meat is too high for my taste. If you must eat it, cook it thoroughly and make sure its handled well.
Ditto for me on that one. Most recent case of trichinosis in Klickitat Co. Was in 2007. Gentleman hadn't cooked his cougar as well as he should have.
Wow, seven years ago... watch out the outbreak has started. :rolleyes: :chuckle:
if you do harvest one take all the meat. if you dont you will wish you had after trying it. very good!
Hard to try it if you don't take the meat. It amazes me how many on this site are afraid to try different meats like raccoon, cougar, dogfish, etc. :dunno:
Post by: MADMAX on June 14, 2014, 08:47:51 AM
Its delicous
Post by: huntinelk on June 14, 2014, 09:22:59 PM
Post by: sakoshooter on June 20, 2014, 04:30:28 PM
DO NOT waste it. Great eating in my opinion.
Post by: whichwaydidhegogeorge on June 20, 2014, 08:42:15 PM
Post by: barracuda163 on June 20, 2014, 09:02:12 PM
Post by: rainshadow1 on June 20, 2014, 09:13:22 PM
Treat it like pork, and it's very good table fare. Hard to discern from pork, actually.
Bobcat can be a little more strong flavored, but still edible in a pinch.
Post by: Bean Counter on June 20, 2014, 09:53:12 PM
Post by: Stein on June 24, 2014, 11:17:10 AM
Read the law. It does not say a thing about having to eat the meat. It says it is illegal to waste the animal. Who's to say that is not salvaging the hide.
The game warden.
Post by: Machias on June 24, 2014, 11:25:14 AM
Post by: Machias on June 24, 2014, 11:34:22 AM
Well, there are officers citing people for leaving coyotes lay where they shoot them; they are citing them for wastage.....
Can you point me to where this is in the law?
Post by: Curly on June 24, 2014, 11:54:46 AM
Well, there are officers citing people for leaving coyotes lay where they shoot them; they are citing them for wastage.....
Can you point me to where this is in the law?
If you check out this thread (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,154284.0.html) you will see the subject beat to death. Bigtex says the law says wildlife can't be wasted and that wildlife can include any living animal. There is even a Nutria thread where he warns that wating a nutria could land someone in trouble with a wildlife officer.
You might check out this point in the thread:
I'm not saying it doesn't happen. I was simply saying it's against the law. For me, I want to see the animal removed from the field, if you take the coyote home and throw it in the garbage can then so be it, but if you just shoot it and "leave it lay" I would have no problem with any officer citing you.Shooting the coyote and "leaving it lay" would actually fall under wastage and is a hunting/wildlife offense. As far as trespassing goes, it would definitely be an interesting one for the prosecutor. But certainly a wastage charge would apply, you can't waste ANYTHING!Technically that's true, but coyotes are shot and left all the time. I've never heard of anyone being cited.
Which portions of the meat do you eat?
Post by: Stein on June 24, 2014, 11:58:53 AM
Post by: Curly on June 24, 2014, 12:06:09 PM
The law does not separate between species. It's simply "wasting wildlife," per state law "wildlife" means those in the animal kingdom, coyotes are in the animal kingdom. You can't waste a coyote because it's a predator, it falls under the animal kingdom and per state law, you can't waste wildlife.If it is the same "reckless wastage" law that applies to other game such as deer and elk, then you must take the meat and yet no one does. I've asked this question of several enforcement officers. They've all said the law does not apply to predators such as coyotes and crows.I'm not saying it doesn't happen. I was simply saying it's against the law. For me, I want to see the animal removed from the field, if you take the coyote home and throw it in the garbage can then so be it, but if you just shoot it and "leave it lay" I would have no problem with any officer citing you.Shooting the coyote and "leaving it lay" would actually fall under wastage and is a hunting/wildlife offense. As far as trespassing goes, it would definitely be an interesting one for the prosecutor. But certainly a wastage charge would apply, you can't waste ANYTHING!Technically that's true, but coyotes are shot and left all the time. I've never heard of anyone being cited.
Which portions of the meat do you eat?
I think you're far more likely to get cited for illegal dumping.
In any case, it's a bad idea.
Wastage of big game is under RCW 77.15.170 and is a gross misdemeanor:
(1) A person is guilty of waste of fish and wildlife if:
(a) The person kills, takes, or possesses fish, shellfish, or wildlife having a value of two hundred fifty dollars or more or wildlife classified as big game; and
(b) The person recklessly allows such fish, shellfish, or wildlife to be wasted.
(2) Waste of fish and wildlife is a gross misdemeanor. Upon conviction, the department shall revoke any license or tag used in the crime and shall order suspension of the person's privileges to engage in the activity in which the person committed waste of fish and wildlife for a period of one year.
Wasting a coyote would fall under RCW 77.15.160(2)(c)
The following acts are infractions and must be cited and punished as provided under chapter 7.84 RCW:
(2) Hunting infractions:
(c) Wasting wildlife: Killing, taking, or possessing wildlife that is not classified as big game and has a value of less than two hundred fifty dollars, and allowing the wildlife to be wasted.
I know of several citations issued for the 77.15.160 offense for coyotes every year in Grant and Adams Counties. Some officers may say it's ok and they wouldn't cite for it, but if an officer wanted to they could.
Post by: Machias on June 24, 2014, 01:06:44 PM
Thanks for showing me that Curly
Post by: bobcat on June 24, 2014, 01:24:35 PM
Post by: AspenBud on June 24, 2014, 05:10:06 PM
Predator meat is not for me, I've hunted Africa several times and the parasite content of predator meat is too high for my taste. If you must eat it, cook it thoroughly and make sure its handled well.
Exactly why I have no desire to eat cougar meat.
No thanks, but for those who will, cook the heck out of it!
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/30/AR2007013001383.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/30/AR2007013001383.html)
Post by: Machias on June 24, 2014, 05:12:27 PM
Post by: timberfaller on August 30, 2014, 11:02:28 AM
I know Cats make a great looking leather jacket! only seen one, sure was nice looking. Took three large cats to make a large size jacket.
Surprised no one brought up the "real" Asian cooking ingredient! :chuckle: