Post by: huntnfmly on June 10, 2014, 05:14:35 PM
Post by: h20hunter on June 10, 2014, 05:20:13 PM
Post by: coop2424 on June 10, 2014, 06:19:19 PM
Post by: Atroxus on June 10, 2014, 06:51:32 PM
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Post by: Stein on June 10, 2014, 07:02:38 PM
Post by: Jamieb on June 10, 2014, 07:36:27 PM
Post by: RadSav on June 10, 2014, 07:58:28 PM
There was an article in the may 2014 American hunter magazine where the author used and endorsed .300 blk with 120gr Barnes tac-tx bullets for black bear. Article claimed that "This all-copper bullet with a polymer tip performed flawlessly on my hunt, mushrooming beautifully with enough wallop to penetrate the thick hair and hide, and destroying both shoulders of a 375-pound bear."
With the Black Out velocity limitations I think the TAC-TX would be about the only all copper round I would try. I'd probably go to something like the Hornady 130 grain or similar. Not sure I would go heavier than 150 grain. I've seen the Hornady 130 Spire Point from a 308 take a number of bear. I've always been amazed at how well it performed. I'd expect the 150 grain Partition to be an outstanding choice too.
Post by: huntnfmly on June 11, 2014, 04:21:05 PM
Post by: mountainman on June 11, 2014, 05:50:31 PM
Imho you can't make any cartridge based off a .223 case a bear cartridge, I don't care what bullet you useback in the day, a man by the name of Bob Milek killed all sorts of big game with the TCU line up. All based off the 223 case, in 6mm,6.5mm, and 7mm. All from a contender. Reasonable range, proper bullet, and we'll placed shots :)
Post by: RadSav on June 11, 2014, 07:34:02 PM
Imho you can't make any cartridge based off a .223 case a bear cartridge, I don't care what bullet you useback in the day, a man by the name of Bob Milek killed all sorts of big game with the TCU line up. All based off the 223 case, in 6mm,6.5mm, and 7mm. All from a contender. Reasonable range, proper bullet, and we'll placed shots :)
Good man, good writer!
Post by: jasnt on June 11, 2014, 08:05:24 PM
Post by: bullfisher on June 11, 2014, 08:10:17 PM
Post by: RadSav on June 11, 2014, 08:38:49 PM
If an arrow can kill a bear then your 300blk will will do just fine :tup:
If an arrow can kill an elephant then your 300blk will do just fine :bash:
Post by: bullfisher on June 11, 2014, 09:00:14 PM
HA! Exactly...If an arrow can kill a bear then your 300blk will will do just fine :tup:
If an arrow can kill an elephant then your 300blk will do just fine :bash:
Post by: jasnt on June 12, 2014, 06:06:41 AM
HA! Exactly...If an arrow can kill a bear then your 300blk will will do just fine :tup:
If an arrow can kill an elephant then your 300blk will do just fine :bash:
Glad you guys got a kick out of my lil joke
It drives me nuts how people say you can't use that cal it won't work,that bullet won't work ,or you can but shot placement is critical.... Shot placement is always critical unless your shooting a cannon.
With 180gr. Bullet the 300blk is going about 1600fps at the muzzle. That's just under 1000 ft/lbs. And just over 800 ft/lbs at 200 yards. I would not feel under gunned.
Post by: coop2424 on June 12, 2014, 01:30:22 PM
HA! Exactly...If an arrow can kill a bear then your 300blk will will do just fine :tup:
If an arrow can kill an elephant then your 300blk will do just fine :bash:
Glad you guys got a kick out of my lil joke
It drives me nuts how people say you can't use that cal it won't work,that bullet won't work ,or you can but shot placement is critical.... Shot placement is always critical unless your shooting a cannon.
With 180gr. Bullet the 300blk is going about 1600fps at the muzzle. That's just under 1000 ft/lbs. And just over 800 ft/lbs at 200 yards. I would not feel under gunned.
Will the bullets even expand at these speeds? I thought the amax needed something like 1400-1600 for proper expansion?
Post by: RadSav on June 12, 2014, 01:42:22 PM
Will the bullets even expand at these speeds? I thought the amax needed something like 1400-1600 for proper expansion?
Softer lead bullets like the SST, Inner-Lock, Core-Lokt, Partition should do ok down to just under 1,000. But tissue devastation will be limited. Hitting bone will help, but at those speeds you probably want to stay away from the bigger shoulder bones. Bear are a little difficult to track without an exit wound, but it can be done.
I have zero experience with the A-Max or Berger so can't help you there. I'd be interested to see what some of the bullets designed for the 30-30 would do! Sounds like some fun testing might be in order ;)
Post by: carpsniperg2 on June 12, 2014, 01:53:38 PM
Post by: jasnt on June 12, 2014, 02:33:57 PM
30/30 or 44mag doesn't push a bullet very fast either but id wouldn't hesitate to use either of those on black bear. I know a tribal guy that's killed plenty of bear with a 204 ruger but id bet alot of people would say "no way would that work"
Post by: Biggerhammer on June 12, 2014, 08:50:53 PM
Post by: mountainman on June 12, 2014, 10:04:34 PM
agree Rad! A flat tipped bullet designed for the 30-30 would do the trick, as would a Lehigh payload bullet!Will the bullets even expand at these speeds? I thought the amax needed something like 1400-1600 for proper expansion?
Softer lead bullets like the SST, Inner-Lock, Core-Lokt, Partition should do ok down to just under 1,000. But tissue devastation will be limited. Hitting bone will help, but at those speeds you probably want to stay away from the bigger shoulder bones. Bear are a little difficult to track without an exit wound, but it can be done.
I have zero experience with the A-Max or Berger so can't help you there. I'd be interested to see what some of the bullets designed for the 30-30 would do! Sounds like some fun testing might be in order ;)
Post by: kodiak 907 on June 13, 2014, 10:05:12 AM
Post by: yorketransport on June 13, 2014, 08:15:03 PM
Like others said, I'd look at some of the bullets designed for the 30-30. The Hornady Flex Tip bullets would be hard to ignore if I were in your position.
Andrew
Post by: addicted on June 23, 2014, 12:28:36 PM
Consider what could be used in a 30-30 or another stagnant 30 cal. I'm sure there are plenty of 30-30 big game articles
Post by: Biggerhammer on June 23, 2014, 04:09:59 PM
Every time you buy a lead free bullet a liberal gets a hard on.
Consider what could be used in a 30-30 or another stagnant 30 cal. I'm sure there are plenty of 30-30 big game articles
:chuckle: :tup: