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Other Hunting => Waterfowl => Topic started by: hdshot on June 20, 2014, 02:10:11 PM
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3:40 mark looks like 4 shots in 870 and towards end shooting at flock looks like at least 5 geese go down with 4 shots. IMO this is bad if my eyes are correct and makes me wonder why so many think laws are just for the other guy.
Washington State Waterfowl 2013-2014 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7YjTbeb17I#ws)
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I count 4 shots.
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I seen 4 too
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Just the music is an infraction. This is definitely going to WDFW. Thanks for posting hdshot. We don't need people thinking that's how we roll in WA. That's only how dirtbags roll.
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Here are a couple comments from his YouTube channel.
Brav0tm1
2 months ago
You know you have video footage of you shooting 4 rounds at geese? Not sure but I do believe you are only allowed 3.
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Spencer Zoch
2 months ago
6:20 Very nice man Shooting over your limit of 4 geese and having too many shells in your gun. Nobody is impressed when your hunting illegally
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Just the music is an infraction. This is definitely going to WDFW. Thanks for posting hdshot. We don't need people thinking that's how we roll in WA. That's only how dirtbags roll.
For sure! I doubt much can be done by the law since no face of the shooter was seen.
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I hope BigTex or OG get ahold of this fast. He obviously has seen the comments that are a few months old telling him of his infractions and doesn't care.
Go get 'em!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Plus they put all their names at the end of the video.
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I count 4 shots!
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Sorry for the double post but site didn't take it and refreshed before I checked it. Won't delete either.
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It happens twice, he clearly shoots 4 shells. Just reported video to WDFW before they pull it. They were nice enough to provide their names.
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Someone better figure out a way to save that video before the guy gets wise and pulls it down.
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Even if he does I believe that YouTube could still access it via a legal request. Not sure how that works.
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Even if he does I believe that YouTube could still access it via a legal request. Not sure how that works.
WDFW would have to get it court ordered. Same with other websites.. it's a harder process than one would think.
BUT HEY, those guys who did cannon balls on manatees and posted it on youtube had their video used as evidence and they were charged with wildlife endangerment and slapped with probation and a lot of fines. Just hope an official sees it before it's pulled, if they pull it at all.
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There are multiple occasions when he's touches off more then 3 rounds. There is not plug in that gun. Hopefully this get's pursued.
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Thought he was going to shoot the dog too! Shooting over your partner that close I hope he had ear protection. Crazy day and age when posting illegal activity is something to be proud of. Doesn't surprise me at all though.
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Even if he does I believe that YouTube could still access it via a legal request. Not sure how that works.
WDFW would have to get it court ordered. Same with other websites.. it's a harder process than one would think.
BUT HEY, those guys who did cannon balls on manatees and posted it on youtube had their video used as evidence and they were charged with wildlife endangerment and slapped with probation and a lot of fines. Just hope an official sees it before it's pulled, if they pull it at all.
Shooting manatees with cannons? :yike:
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Thought he was going to shoot the dog too! Shooting over your partner that close I hope he had ear protection. Crazy day and age when posting illegal activity is something to be proud of. Doesn't surprise me at all though.
:yeah:
Had a coworker looking over my shoulder as i watched it, asked him if he saw what was illegal when all of a sudden he shouts out "don't shoot the dog!"
I then showed him the infractions...
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Even if he does I believe that YouTube could still access it via a legal request. Not sure how that works.
WDFW would have to get it court ordered. Same with other websites.. it's a harder process than one would think.
BUT HEY, those guys who did cannon balls on manatees and posted it on youtube had their video used as evidence and they were charged with wildlife endangerment and slapped with probation and a lot of fines. Just hope an official sees it before it's pulled, if they pull it at all.
Shooting manatees with cannons? :yike:
Sounds like the people were jumping in the water doing cannon balls on top of the manatees. Manatees are very protected by laws and better not even try to touch one.
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Even if he does I believe that YouTube could still access it via a legal request. Not sure how that works.
WDFW would have to get it court ordered. Same with other websites.. it's a harder process than one would think.
BUT HEY, those guys who did cannon balls on manatees and posted it on youtube had their video used as evidence and they were charged with wildlife endangerment and slapped with probation and a lot of fines. Just hope an official sees it before it's pulled, if they pull it at all.
Shooting manatees with cannons? :yike:
LOL no... umm like how people do cannon balls into a pool? They jumped on them while they were swimming by. A mom and her calf. YouTube was the evidence used to sentence them though.
http://tbo.com/news/crime/men-sentenced-to-probation-for-manatee-cannonball-video-20140618/ (http://tbo.com/news/crime/men-sentenced-to-probation-for-manatee-cannonball-video-20140618/)
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there was a benelli nova and an 870 that touched off four rounds.
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there was a benelli nova and an 870 that touched off four rounds.
some of those guns will "float" a fourth shell on the carrier with 2 3/4" shells, I had a stoeger pump that would do it. I know some guys have bragged about doing it with benelli semi autos with a few modifications.
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Pretty dumb of them to post illegal activities on the internet.
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there was a benelli nova and an 870 that touched off four rounds.
some of those guns will "float" a fourth shell on the carrier with 2 3/4" shells, I had a stoeger pump that would do it. I know some guys have bragged about doing it with benelli semi autos with a few modifications.
doesn't mean you should put four in it :dunno:
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Not to mention they will eventually shoot that dog that keeps breaking right in front of the gun.
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there was a benelli nova and an 870 that touched off four rounds.
some of those guns will "float" a fourth shell on the carrier with 2 3/4" shells, I had a stoeger pump that would do it. I know some guys have bragged about doing it with benelli semi autos with a few modifications.
doesn't mean you should put four in it :dunno:
lol really? Of course it doesn't mean it's ok to put in four shells, I'm just saying that it is possible to do even if you still have a plug in your gun. In no way is floating a shell legal.
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:chuckle: Maybe some folks should stay off of you tube................... Or stay legal ;)
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Even if he does I believe that YouTube could still access it via a legal request. Not sure how that works.
WDFW would have to get it court ordered. Same with other websites.. it's a harder process than one would think.
BUT HEY, those guys who did cannon balls on manatees and posted it on youtube had their video used as evidence and they were charged with wildlife endangerment and slapped with probation and a lot of fines. Just hope an official sees it before it's pulled, if they pull it at all.
Shooting manatees with cannons? :yike:
LOL no... umm like how people do cannon balls into a pool? They jumped on them while they were swimming by. A mom and her calf. YouTube was the evidence used to sentence them though.
http://tbo.com/news/crime/men-sentenced-to-probation-for-manatee-cannonball-video-20140618/ (http://tbo.com/news/crime/men-sentenced-to-probation-for-manatee-cannonball-video-20140618/)
Lol. Read a little too quickly. :chuckle:
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Even if he does I believe that YouTube could still access it via a legal request. Not sure how that works.
WDFW would have to get it court ordered. Same with other websites.. it's a harder process than one would think.
BUT HEY, those guys who did cannon balls on manatees and posted it on youtube had their video used as evidence and they were charged with wildlife endangerment and slapped with probation and a lot of fines. Just hope an official sees it before it's pulled, if they pull it at all.
Shooting manatees with cannons? :yike:
LOL no... umm like how people do cannon balls into a pool? They jumped on them while they were swimming by. A mom and her calf. YouTube was the evidence used to sentence them though.
http://tbo.com/news/crime/men-sentenced-to-probation-for-manatee-cannonball-video-20140618/ (http://tbo.com/news/crime/men-sentenced-to-probation-for-manatee-cannonball-video-20140618/)
Lol. Read a little too quickly. :chuckle:
You're from Spanaway, I'll give you a pass ;) ..any of us from there that can even READ in general gets a thumbs up :chuckle: :chuckle:
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Since this is here im gonna ask.If I have a plug in,And i load all 3 3inch rounds nothing else will fit in it.If these guys have modified it in some way are they not breaking even more serious laws than the 3 round law?
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Don't get me wrong... 4 shells is unethical and just stupid. Flat out dumb... and it does irk me that people are stupid enough to post these things online (I guess stupid is as stupid does)... But I hope that WDFW has better things to do then chase down a few kids being a-holes. I guess that these are probably the kids that grow up to be the idiot that shoots at deer out of their truck and harvests a three man limit of Dungies at dusk when they think no one is out watching or steal crawdad traps from the a creek they happen to be walking by... but its not like getting in trouble for it will change their outlook.
I don't know I hate to see these things happen... much like the Crescent Lake incident last year (I think I found out who was responsible for that also from a little youtube clip I stumbled upon). Anyways this stuff is just frustrating and gets under my skin. It makes me pissed off.
On second thought I hope WDFW does prosecute them... HA!
Ok Rant OVER! :bash: :sry: :bash:
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Not to mention they will eventually shoot that dog that keeps breaking right in front of the gun.
These guys have definitely documented themselves poaching. And I think 870 guy needs to learn some muzzle control. He was constantly shooting over his friends heads and shooting dangerously close to that dog in the field. I hope these pukes get whats coming to them!
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It's still up. My wife and I just watched it. I hope they do something about this. Blatant disregard and rule breaking that can make us all b look bad. The stupidity of some people. Took a lot of work to put that video together to I would imagine.
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Don't get me wrong... 4 shells is unethical and just stupid. Flat out dumb... and it does irk me that people are stupid enough to post these things online (I guess stupid is as stupid does)... But I hope that WDFW has better things to do then chase down a few kids being a-holes. I guess that these are probably the kids that grow up to be the idiot that shoots at deer out of their truck and harvests a three man limit of Dungies at dusk when they think no one is out watching or steal crawdad traps from the a creek they happen to be walking by... but its not like getting in trouble for it will change their outlook.
I don't know I hate to see these things happen... much like the Crescent Lake incident last year (I think I found out who was responsible for that also from a little youtube clip I stumbled upon). Anyways this stuff is just frustrating and gets under my skin. It makes me pissed off.
On second thought I hope WDFW does prosecute them... HA!
Ok Rant OVER! :bash: :sry: :bash:
Not only do poachers suck hugely, they put at risk everyone else's hunting privileges through abuse of our resource. We pay WDFW LE to protect our wildlife. That's their job. I much rather see them after these guys than a 13 year-old kid who accidentally punched the wrong day on his deer tag. Although a mistake is still breaking the rules, flagrant violations need to be pursued vigorously. You can bet that this isn't the only time these guys have done this. And, if they're willing to justify poaching geese, who says they're not willing to poach deer, elk, sheep, etc.
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Don't get me wrong... 4 shells is unethical and just stupid. Flat out dumb... and it does irk me that people are stupid enough to post these things online (I guess stupid is as stupid does)... But I hope that WDFW has better things to do then chase down a few kids being a-holes. I guess that these are probably the kids that grow up to be the idiot that shoots at deer out of their truck and harvests a three man limit of Dungies at dusk when they think no one is out watching or steal crawdad traps from the a creek they happen to be walking by... but its not like getting in trouble for it will change their outlook.
I don't know I hate to see these things happen... much like the Crescent Lake incident last year (I think I found out who was responsible for that also from a little youtube clip I stumbled upon). Anyways this stuff is just frustrating and gets under my skin. It makes me pissed off.
On second thought I hope WDFW does prosecute them... HA!
Ok Rant OVER! :bash: :sry: :bash:
Not only do poachers suck hugely, they put at risk everyone else's hunting privileges through abuse of our resource. We pay WDFW LE to protect our wildlife. That's their job. I much rather see them after these guys than a 13 year-old kid who accidentally punched the wrong day on his deer tag. Although a mistake is still breaking the rules, flagrant violations need to be pursued vigorously. You can bet that this isn't the only time these guys have done this. And, if they're willing to justify poaching geese, who says they're not willing to poach deer, elk, sheep, etc.
Agreed. These guys need to get hammered early before they are spotlighting deer and elk if they aren't already. If that's the kind of stuff they are putting on YouTube you know they are doing much worse.
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Crazy ...good footage but you did notice they really never showed there faces enough to really make them out ..and for those who think this is a good opportunity to get 10 points is really funny ...ask how many members have over 15 or more points on here and ask them what those 15 or more points are doing for them ? They did almost smoke there dog :o :bash:
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Look at the 6:40 there is slow motion of 4 shots as well. NICE!!!
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Check out the 6:40 it shows 4 shots in slow motion as well.
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Can someone list the infractions?
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Don't get me wrong... 4 shells is unethical and just stupid. Flat out dumb... and it does irk me that people are stupid enough to post these things online (I guess stupid is as stupid does)... But I hope that WDFW has better things to do then chase down a few kids being a-holes. I guess that these are probably the kids that grow up to be the idiot that shoots at deer out of their truck and harvests a three man limit of Dungies at dusk when they think no one is out watching or steal crawdad traps from the a creek they happen to be walking by... but its not like getting in trouble for it will change their outlook.
I don't know I hate to see these things happen... much like the Crescent Lake incident last year (I think I found out who was responsible for that also from a little youtube clip I stumbled upon). Anyways this stuff is just frustrating and gets under my skin. It makes me pissed off.
On second thought I hope WDFW does prosecute them... HA!
Ok Rant OVER! :bash: :sry: :bash:
Not only do poachers suck hugely, they put at risk everyone else's hunting privileges through abuse of our resource. We pay WDFW LE to protect our wildlife. That's their job. I much rather see them after these guys than a 13 year-old kid who accidentally punched the wrong day on his deer tag. Although a mistake is still breaking the rules, flagrant violations need to be pursued vigorously. You can bet that this isn't the only time these guys have done this. And, if they're willing to justify poaching geese, who says they're not willing to poach deer, elk, sheep, etc.
If WDFW isn't up for it, you could forward to the feds I think. Pretty sure the federal game wardens can also go after violations for geese. Federal charges tend to be a lot more of a headache than state.
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Can someone list the infractions?
Well definitely there is a bag limit infraction and a round capacity infraction. I would venture to say if they are breaking the easy to understand laws that everyone over the age of five knows then their are probably more than that. Besides the endangering your dog and hunting partners infraction, hunting while stupid infraction and the posting illegal activity infraction. Which probably fall under a single jacka$$ infraction. :dunno:
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Jack A$$ ticket warranted...thank you
Taking a guess, but likely locals. Locals always seem to have the mentality that they can just do what they want, when it comes to hunting and fishing. Very self-entitled. Yet they say the Coasties or 206ers are "idiots that come over from the westside to shoot up the place." Shaking my head...
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I do think that some feel the rules/requirements do not apply to private property. Maybe that is the case here. Still a little reckless and over daily bag if you ask me. But, young and lacking in good decisions isn't unique to these boys. Unfortunately!
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Thought this would be a good time to bring up the following. All migratory bird laws can also be enforced/prosecuted in federal courts in addition to state courts. Migratory birds are a federally managed/protected species and as a result the feds have authority over them in the entire country doesn't matter if it's public land, private land, or tribal land. It's even against federal law to violate a state migratory bird law that isn't already a federal law, such as the robotic decoys.
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It's even against federal law to violate a state migratory bird law that isn't already a federal law, such as the robotic decoys.
Wow! That is interesting. I had no clue.
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I see they are over the shot limit and maybe bag limit,but would that classify them as poachers? they are breaking rules but it apperares they aren't out of season and legally. They are breaking rules no doubt... but to call it poaching maybe a little harsh. I do not condone what they are doing though. It is still wrong.
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I see they are over the shot limit and maybe bag limit,but would that classify them as poachers? they are breaking rules but it apperares they aren't out of season and legally. They are breaking rules no doubt... but to call it poaching maybe a little harsh. I do not condone what they are doing though. It is still wrong.
poach1 [pohch] Show IPA
verb (used without object)
1.
to trespass, especially on another's game preserve, in order to steal animals or to hunt.
2.
to take game or fish illegally.
This wasn't an honest mistake of misunderstanding game laws.
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Anyone send this link to wdfw?
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Yes
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Jack A$$ ticket warranted...thank you
Taking a guess, but likely locals. Locals always seem to have the mentality that they can just do what they want, when it comes to hunting and fishing. Very self-entitled. Yet they say the Coasties or 206ers are "idiots that come over from the westside to shoot up the place." Shaking my head...
Dang Locals..... :chuckle: Coming from a family that owns land, we have more problems with west side folk by far.....not saying all westsiders are bad. I always try to gather info on tresspassers before identifying myself and asking them to leave. Crazy how the tresspassers mood changes when they reaize who they are taking to. If you wanna see self entitled folks, tagging along on the opening weekend of Mod Deer season will provide plenty of arrogant ignorance.
Pretty obvious infraction's in the waterfowl movie, hope WDFW follows up.
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How does a thread about waterfowl poachers turn into a peeing match between the east and west hunters of the state? Way to band together, gang. :bash: When does hunting season start again?
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Social media is amazing. You can look all of these guys up on facebook....gotta love when people break laws and post it on the the world wide web. :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: Hope they at least get educated and and a ticket to help make it sink in. :tup:
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Since this is here im gonna ask.If I have a plug in,And i load all 3 3inch rounds nothing else will fit in it.If these guys have modified it in some way are they not breaking even more serious laws than the 3 round law?
Hunters can modify their shotguns tubes but has to have a plug so the tube can hold no more than two 2 3/4 inch loads. We hear about this float stuff but do the math with makes their gun illegal. Also if the warden sneaks up on you and sees 4 in the gun the ticket book will then need your signature.
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They are dirty, dirty, dirty.... Does not matter if they are East side or Wet side.
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Since this is here im gonna ask.If I have a plug in,And i load all 3 3inch rounds nothing else will fit in it.If these guys have modified it in some way are they not breaking even more serious laws than the 3 round law?
Hunters can modify their shotguns tubes but has to have a plug so the tube can hold no more than two 2 3/4 inch loads. We hear about this float stuff but do the math with makes their gun illegal. Also if the warden sneaks up on you and sees 4 in the gun the ticket book will then need your signature.
A legal 12g shotgun for waterfowl can hold up to 3ea 3.5" loads.
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Since this is here im gonna ask.If I have a plug in,And i load all 3 3inch rounds nothing else will fit in it.If these guys have modified it in some way are they not breaking even more serious laws than the 3 round law?
Hunters can modify their shotguns tubes but has to have a plug so the tube can hold no more than two 2 3/4 inch loads. We hear about this float stuff but do the math with makes their gun illegal. Also if the warden sneaks up on you and sees 4 in the gun the ticket book will then need your signature.
A legal 12g shotgun for waterfowl can hold up to 3ea 3.5" loads.
1 in the chamber with 2 in the magazine any combination of loads. I have talked to some who believe they don't need a plug since their un-plugged magazine can't hold 3 3.5 inch loads but that is not the case because their un-plugged magazine can then hold four 2 3/4 inch loads and three 3 inch loads.
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if it can hold 4 of the 2 3/4" it can hold 3 of either 3 or 3.5".
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if it can hold 4 of the 2 3/4" it can hold 3 of either 3 or 3.5".
I bet there's a different plug for the 2 3/4" guns then. I've never shot them.
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if it can hold 4 of the 2 3/4" it can hold 3 of either 3 or 3.5".
Your right but either way the magazine can't hold more than 2 of the 2.75 inch loads. There are stock magazines that can't hold more than two 3.5 inch loads un-plugged but more than 2 of the shorter loads than seems to cause some confusion I have seen in my past.
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If the magazine can hold more than 2 of anything it's not legal in the field.
2 2.75 5.5" mag space needed
2 3.5 7" Mag space needed
3 2.75 8.25"
No confusion - if it will hold 3 2.75 shells either the plugs been pulled or it needs one.
On old Benellis there was a way to trick things for 4, but that's been fixed.
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If the magazine can hold more than 2 of anything it's not legal in the field.
2 2.75 5.5" mag space needed
2 3.5 7" Mag space needed
3 2.75 8.25"
No confusion - if it will hold 3 2.75 shells either the plugs been pulled or it needs one.
On old Benellis there was a way to trick things for 4, but that's been fixed.
Sorry to be an a hole but that's another thing that causes lots of confusion. A loaded shotgun shell is shorter than the length specified. The length specified of a shotgun shell is measured before the crimp or after is spent. Example a 3.5 loaded shotgun shell is about 3 inches in length. Once it is spent then it is 3.5 inches. Same goes with 3 inch and 2.75 inch shells as well.
My dad shot shotguns for over 40 years before I taught him that and have not met a person that knows that either and have really pissed people off in the blind with that trivia with no way to measure.
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What about these?
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/2506255579/aguila-minishell-ammunition-12-gauge-1-3-4-5-8-oz-7-1-2-shot (http://www.midwayusa.com/product/2506255579/aguila-minishell-ammunition-12-gauge-1-3-4-5-8-oz-7-1-2-shot)
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What about these?
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/2506255579/aguila-minishell-ammunition-12-gauge-1-3-4-5-8-oz-7-1-2-shot (http://www.midwayusa.com/product/2506255579/aguila-minishell-ammunition-12-gauge-1-3-4-5-8-oz-7-1-2-shot)
The warnings! :chuckle:
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Hedshot - all these years - I never measured. Thanks, I'll use that info for in blind talk.
However a magazine plugged for 2 3.5's should not take more than 2 2.75 shells.
(Need another 1/2" on my gun, just tried)
Not even touching the 1.5 inch shells
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Hedshot - all these years - I never measured. Thanks, I'll use that info for in blind talk.
However a magazine plugged for 2 3.5's should not take more than 2 2.75 shells.
(Need another 1/2" on my gun, just tried)
Not even touching the 1.5 inch shells
It's a trip but makes sense once I found out by accident. You will have fun in blind talk because some will think your crazy and that loaded shell is 3.5 inches, end of story in their mind. Just like a good gambler who will tell you they won $200 last night but won't tell you they gambled it all away and another 200 bucks away. But by gawd they won $200 in their mind.
But yes if your gun in the blind can hold more than two 2.75 inch loads in the magazine it is illegal even if the hunter never plans to use that size.
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The first set of shots in the video I saw 4 shots from the camera guy shooting at geese.
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The first set of shots in the video I saw 4 shots from the camera guy shooting at geese.
I was going to say the same.
If the magazine can hold more than 2 of anything it's not legal in the field.
The LEO's I've spoke with, use a tester that is measured for the 2.75" shell.
Some use live shells.
Last year, they tested my gun with the 2.75" shells my brother shoots, even tho I showed them I shot 3".
All my plugs are fitted for 2.75".
Never failed a test.
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Just the music is an infraction. This is definitely going to WDFW. Thanks for posting hdshot. We don't need people thinking that's how we roll in WA. That's only how dirtbags roll.
For sure! I doubt much can be done by the law since no face of the shooter was seen.
At the beginning of the video, bright child is posing with his 870.
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Jack A$$ ticket warranted...thank you
Taking a guess, but likely locals. Locals always seem to have the mentality that they can just do what they want, when it comes to hunting and fishing. Very self-entitled. Yet they say the Coasties or 206ers are "idiots that come over from the westside to shoot up the place." Shaking my head...
Dang Locals..... :chuckle: Coming from a family that owns land, we have more problems with west side folk by far.....not saying all westsiders are bad. I always try to gather info on tresspassers before identifying myself and asking them to leave. Crazy how the tresspassers mood changes when they reaize who they are taking to. If you wanna see self entitled folks, tagging along on the opening weekend of Mod Deer season will provide plenty of arrogant ignorance.
Pretty obvious infraction's in the waterfowl movie, hope WDFW follows up.
I guessing you have more problems with westside folk, due to westside folk being the majority of the population in Wa State, and eastside folk already have land they can hunt. Just a thought....SMH
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I also thought he was going to shoot his dog, then there shooting over the head of the guys laying next to them and not straight up but at a pretty low angle. But the one that really was scary was at the 1:48 mark when he brings the gun up to his right and there's a guy standing in the brush right in front of the barrel, takes the safety off a branch catches the trigger and you have a dead hunting partner. I just hope I've taught my sons better
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I guessing you have more problems with westside folk, due to westside folk being the majority of the population in Wa State, and eastside folk already have land they can hunt. Just a thought....SMH
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There is a lot of truth in that statement...... :tup:
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They are starting to cover their butts with this comment on YouTube. Again they are making up their own laws and are convinced everyone breaks laws and so can they. But yet they didn't break rules. I like how he says rules set for you with nothing about him or his friend. They better hope the law doesn't get their hands on their un edited film like what happened to Foiles.
Joe Johnson said on YouTube,
"I happen to know the guy who made this, and i know not all of his videos were just in Washington State. Some were from manitoba canada and other places where their bag limit is 8 in the early season as well as a few other places. Also, dont sit there and act like youve never taken 5 geese while your buddy shoots 3. I appreciate you guys following the rules set before you, but he did as well. Its a shame some people have nothing better to do but police the videos on youtube rather than enjoying them for the hard work that was put into them."
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Therefore the title of the video "Washington State Waterfowl 2013-2014." Nothing in the title about Canada.
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Therefore the title of the video "Washington State Waterfowl 2013-2014." Nothing in the title about Canada.
Just some kid doing the bait and switch. Also doesn't defend the 4 shots but throws out other smoke screens and just glad we are not stupid like JJ is believing everyone will fall for it. Sorry JJ but 4 shots in Canada is illegal as hell but keep trying to throw it under the rug with hard work. What a tool.
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I've been trying to find a Canadian hunting reg. book. When I hunted in Saskatchewan it was 3 shells.
Also know in Quebec same rules, and my guess is that the 94 Migratory rules covers all of Canada.
So if so he just confessed to breaking the laws in Canada.
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I'm pretty sure that it's three shells for all of North America with the exception being spring conservation season snow goose hunting.
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You all need to be quiet on the comments on the video. That way the WDFW can do their magic.
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Comments have been disabled but video is still up.
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the hard part is that it would take alot of money and time to track someone down for a ticket that you could probly just pay and be done with for probly a $200 ticket...they would have to go through a process to track down multiple people find who was shooting the gun, where they were, with little physical evidence other than a video of a gun with 4 shells...not saying i agree with it....but i doubt they would waste that many man hows on what im guessing would be just an infraction and nothing criminal....but i could be wrong
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They have the license plate on the red truck. That would make it pretty easy. It is washington plates. Let me look at the movie again and I will post it up. It is on the public video so why not put it here. It was put up to the public youtube.
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They have the license plate on the red truck. That would make it pretty easy. It is washington plates. Let me look at the movie again and I will post it up. It is on the public video so why not put it here. It was put up to the public youtube.
so just give the guy who owns a truck the ticket? what im saying is there is nothing tying the gun in question to any one person...they probly wont just start handing tickets to everyone...until someone spills their guts...tho it would be nice if it worked that way...lol
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What else do you need? Names, Red Truck, and License Plate.
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It's simple.
ID the guns firing 4 shells.
Look at the beginning of the video, they are posing with their guns.
TH has the plate number and their names.
1+1=2,
even in Canada. :chuckle:
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the hard part is that it would take alot of money and time to track someone down for a ticket that you could probly just pay and be done with for probly a $200 ticket...they would have to go through a process to track down multiple people find who was shooting the gun, where they were, with little physical evidence other than a video of a gun with 4 shells...not saying i agree with it....but i doubt they would waste that many man hows on what im guessing would be just an infraction and nothing criminal....but i could be wrong
About the only thing I could see happen is if the law decides to watch them to see if some kind of poaching ring going on. As dumb as these people are about knowing laws, there could be more going on.
Good eye on plate number, 12 second mark.
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Bet it's not worth WDFW dealing with, more money into catching criminals than recovered. It's not a wildlife conservation game, its a MONEY game... Fun for " internet wardens" though huh? :chuckle:
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If there were a youtube video of goeduck poaching going on, you can bet that wdfw would be all over that. ;)
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:yeah: x1000
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This does bring up a story I almost forgot about .. :chuckle: A few years ago we were hunting geese on some leased land ..A friend has leased it for years and decided to invite me over ..Never have they had any trouble with the law until I showed up :chuckle: :chuckle: We were shooting the heck out of some honkers and it was the best goose hunt I ever been on ..We were waiting for our last flock to show up since we only needed 4 more geese to limit ..well here they come ...We dump 3 and as they were flying off we see this green looking blazer just ripping threw the corn field we were set up in ...They get to us and start screaming ..PUT YOUR GUNS DOWN ---PUT YOUR GUNS DOWN AND LETS SEE YOUR HANDS :dunno: :yike: There were 3 federal wardens and they were just butt heads ...They said we watched you guys for over an hour and we are sure you are way over your limit :dunno: We had them in a pile behind the blinds ...they check them out and become angrier .. :chuckle: after they were down they ended up flipping over 150 shell decoys trying to find our over the limit ...Well that never happened and they just left ... I THINK THE FARMER SENT THEM A BILL FOR TEARING UP HIS FIELD TRYING TO GET TO US ! As much as they monitor facebook you sure would think they would be all over this :dunno: :chuckle: :chuckle: I always seem to be in the wrong place at the right time when it comes to wardens :chuckle: :chuckle:
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This does bring up a story I almost forgot about .. :chuckle: A few years ago we were hunting geese on some leased land ..A friend has leased it for years and decided to invite me over ..Never have they had any trouble with the law until I showed up :chuckle: :chuckle: We were shooting the heck out of some honkers and it was the best goose hunt I ever been on ..We were waiting for our last flock to show up since we only needed 4 more geese to limit ..well here they come ...We dump 3 and as they were flying off we see this green looking blazer just ripping threw the corn field we were set up in ...They get to us and start screaming ..PUT YOUR GUNS DOWN ---PUT YOUR GUNS DOWN AND LETS SEE YOUR HANDS :dunno: :yike: There were 3 federal wardens and they were just butt heads ...They said we watched you guys for over an hour and we are sure you are way over your limit :dunno: We had them in a pile behind the blinds ...they check them out and become angrier .. :chuckle: after they were down they ended up flipping over 150 shell decoys trying to find our over the limit ...Well that never happened and they just left ... I THINK THE FARMER SENT THEM A BILL FOR TEARING UP HIS FIELD TRYING TO GET TO US ! As much as they monitor facebook you sure would think they would be all over this :dunno: :chuckle: :chuckle: I always seem to be in the wrong place at the right time when it comes to wardens :chuckle: :chuckle:
Just think BH45, pretty soon the wardens may have a surveillance drone dedicated to just following you around.... :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
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This does bring up a story I almost forgot about .. :chuckle: A few years ago we were hunting geese on some leased land ..A friend has leased it for years and decided to invite me over ..Never have they had any trouble with the law until I showed up :chuckle: :chuckle: We were shooting the heck out of some honkers and it was the best goose hunt I ever been on ..We were waiting for our last flock to show up since we only needed 4 more geese to limit ..well here they come ...We dump 3 and as they were flying off we see this green looking blazer just ripping threw the corn field we were set up in ...They get to us and start screaming ..PUT YOUR GUNS DOWN ---PUT YOUR GUNS DOWN AND LETS SEE YOUR HANDS :dunno: :yike: There were 3 federal wardens and they were just butt heads ...They said we watched you guys for over an hour and we are sure you are way over your limit :dunno: We had them in a pile behind the blinds ...they check them out and become angrier .. :chuckle: after they were down they ended up flipping over 150 shell decoys trying to find our over the limit ...Well that never happened and they just left ... I THINK THE FARMER SENT THEM A BILL FOR TEARING UP HIS FIELD TRYING TO GET TO US ! As much as they monitor facebook you sure would think they would be all over this :dunno: :chuckle: :chuckle: I always seem to be in the wrong place at the right time when it comes to wardens :chuckle: :chuckle:
I am surprised they didn't give you a hard time about not having your limits separated. Federal wardens love to look for that one.
I remember some Wardens pulling up to our blind in a boat to do an "in the field check." On this particular day my dad and I couldn't hit the side of a barn if you paid us. We shot about 3 boxes of shells and only had 6 ducks between us. The 2 Wardens spent a 1/2 hour stomping the brush flat around our blind and searching every inch of our boat and bags. They were completely convinced that we stashed birds and they were determined to find them. In the end they kinda made us feel dumb for shooting so poorly then they reluctantly headed off for the next blind.
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All yeah ..these guys are a lot of fun to deal with ...I never finished the story :chuckle: :chuckle: after checking our plungs and shells and running a magnet up all the birds butts they pulled out all peeeesed off ..well after they got half way out of the field a flock decided to fly over :dunno: my buddy loaded up and dumped his last bird ... :yike: brake lights come on and they stop ...we think Ol Crap here they come again ...but after thinking about they finally left ...I think they finally tossed the towel .... :chuckle: :chuckle:
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This does bring up a story I almost forgot about .. :chuckle: A few years ago we were hunting geese on some leased land ..A friend has leased it for years and decided to invite me over ..Never have they had any trouble with the law until I showed up :chuckle: :chuckle: We were shooting the heck out of some honkers and it was the best goose hunt I ever been on ..We were waiting for our last flock to show up since we only needed 4 more geese to limit ..well here they come ...We dump 3 and as they were flying off we see this green looking blazer just ripping threw the corn field we were set up in ...They get to us and start screaming ..PUT YOUR GUNS DOWN ---PUT YOUR GUNS DOWN AND LETS SEE YOUR HANDS :dunno: :yike: There were 3 federal wardens and they were just butt heads ...They said we watched you guys for over an hour and we are sure you are way over your limit :dunno: We had them in a pile behind the blinds ...they check them out and become angrier .. :chuckle: after they were down they ended up flipping over 150 shell decoys trying to find our over the limit ...Well that never happened and they just left ... I THINK THE FARMER SENT THEM A BILL FOR TEARING UP HIS FIELD TRYING TO GET TO US ! As much as they monitor facebook you sure would think they would be all over this :dunno: :chuckle: :chuckle: I always seem to be in the wrong place at the right time when it comes to wardens :chuckle: :chuckle:
Just think BH45, pretty soon the wardens may have a surveillance drone dedicated to just following you around.... :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
hey ...where I live now I see law enforcement on an every day basis ... :chuckle: I will set out my trail cam and show you :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
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I blame duck dynasty.......quite possibly one of the worst things to happen to duck hunting.
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I am curious why you think that?
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I blame duck dynasty.......quite possibly one of the worst things to happen to duck hunting.
Are you for real..... :iamwithstupid:
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Thought he was going to shoot the dog too! Shooting over your partner that close I hope he had ear protection. Crazy day and age when posting illegal activity is something to be proud of. Doesn't surprise me at all though.
Good eye Rad. That's what I saw way before the 4 shot 870. Dangerous bunch of guys in my opinion besides being illegal.
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Guys, have you not read UC's book? Washington only cares about shellfish:-(. waterfowl most likely falls in the "nobody gives a sh.." Category.
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Kaze thats what i am seeing... Waterfowl and conservation is very low on wildlife management's list of things to do... but i feel ya on what your saying.....
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I blame duck dynasty.......quite possibly one of the worst things to happen to duck hunting.
HUH ??
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Guys, have you not read UC's book? Washington only cares about shellfish:-(. waterfowl most likely falls in the "nobody gives a sh.." Category.
Man ..I am all over the board lately .. I think animals mean more to the state of Washington than people ... they seem to want to punish people more for game violation than they do for someone killing someone ...I wish they would put all this energy in removing drug dealers off the street and start saving children ...little off topic !
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Have a look at Lincoln county. See the size in square miles? There is 1 (one) game officer for that entire area. Is that too much?
If we were spending as little on drug enforcement as we are on enforcing game laws, there would be a drug dealer on every street corner.
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there was a benelli nova and an 870 that touched off four rounds.
some of those guns will "float" a fourth shell on the carrier with 2 3/4" shells, I had a stoeger pump that would do it. I know some guys have bragged about doing it with benelli semi autos with a few modifications.
doesn't mean you should put four in it :dunno:
lol really? Of course it doesn't mean it's ok to put in four shells, I'm just saying that it is possible to do even if you still have a plug in your gun. In no way is floating a shell legal.
I'm not defending it or saying it's ok, but is the " floating" a 4th shell thing in a factory gun with a plug illegal?? The regs say a gun "capable" of holding more than 3 shells .. So does that make a gun that has a plug in it and has not be modified in anyway that can do the float thing illegal??
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Yes. If you have a 3 1/2" gun... with a plug made for 2-3 1/2" shells in the mag... and game warden can put 3-2 3/4" shells in it... you're screwed.
Whether its factory or not... law states "May not be able to" meaning there should not be any floating.