Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on June 22, 2014, 11:47:37 AM
Post by: Soady on June 22, 2014, 01:15:41 PM
What will you hunting?
How dedicated are you to learning?
Have you read the regulations regarding WA legal muzzle loaders.
Have you searched this sites vast archives regarding Wa legal muzzle loaders?
washington state legal muzzleloaders (http://washington state legal muzzleloaders)
:sry:
Post by: ghosthunter on June 22, 2014, 01:17:55 PM
What is low budget $$
What will you hunting?
How dedicated are you to learning?
Have you read the regulations regarding WA legal muzzle loaders.
Have you searched this sites vast archives regarding Wa legal muzzle loaders?
washington state legal muzzleloaders (http://washington state legal muzzleloaders)
:sry:
After this
Buy a Knight 50 cal.
Post by: Soady on June 22, 2014, 01:31:09 PM
What is low budget $$
What will you hunting?
How dedicated are you to learning?
Have you read the regulations regarding WA legal muzzle loaders.
Have you searched this sites vast archives regarding Wa legal muzzle loaders?
washington state legal muzzleloaders (http://washington state legal muzzleloaders)
:sry:
After this
Buy a Knight 50 cal.
Thus my question to dedication because dedication will generally cost and you should be prepared as a rookie to accept that fact otherwise you're just p'n in the wind.
BTW :tup: to the Knight suggestion I love mine.
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on June 22, 2014, 01:32:24 PM
What is low budget $$
What will you hunting?
How dedicated are you to learning?
Have you read the regulations regarding WA legal muzzle loaders.
Have you searched this sites vast archives regarding Wa legal muzzle loaders?
washington state legal muzzleloaders (http://washington state legal muzzleloaders)
:sry:
1. Around $200 for the gun. I understand accessories will be extra $.
2. Elk and possibly deer.
3. Not going to become some smoke pole history buff.
But I am willing to give it a go.
4. Yes.
5. Yes.
Why would you be sorry?
I'm not looking to read for two hours to hear every ones opinions on the best muzzy. Not looking to become a muzzy expert. My question is simple. What's a good available legal low cost muzzleloader? That's it. I don't really care if you feel I need to research myself. That's why I asked here so I don't have to. I didn't ask for the best way to research buying a muzzy did I. If I had your response would have been spot on!
Sorry rant finished.
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on June 22, 2014, 01:34:18 PM
What is low budget $$
What will you hunting?
How dedicated are you to learning?
Have you read the regulations regarding WA legal muzzle loaders.
Have you searched this sites vast archives regarding Wa legal muzzle loaders?
washington state legal muzzleloaders (http://washington state legal muzzleloaders)
:sry:
After this
Buy a Knight 50 cal.
Thus my question to dedication because dedication will generally cost and you should be prepared as a rookie to accept that fact otherwise you're just p'n in the wind.
BTW :tup: to the Knight suggestion I love mine.
Dedicated enough to spend 300-400 to get setup. Willing to practice regularly. Is that dedicated enough?
Post by: MarkyMark on June 22, 2014, 01:45:52 PM
Get a CVA Optima V2 northwest legal model for $308 shipped to your door.
Yeah I know it's not a Knight, but it's affordable, shoots well and is easy to clean. They have other models for less $ as well. Get yourself a model that has a breach plug that removes with out tools. The break action model like the Optima are real handy.
Post by: MountainDevil54 on June 22, 2014, 01:47:13 PM
Post by: Soady on June 22, 2014, 02:44:22 PM
What is low budget $$
What will you hunting?
How dedicated are you to learning?
Have you read the regulations regarding WA legal muzzle loaders.
Have you searched this sites vast archives regarding Wa legal muzzle loaders?
washington state legal muzzleloaders (http://washington state legal muzzleloaders)
:sry:
1. Around $200 for the gun. I understand accessories will be extra $.
2. Elk and possibly deer.
3. Not going to become some smoke pole history buff.
But I am willing to give it a go.
4. Yes.
5. Yes.
Why would you be sorry?
I'm not looking to read for two hours to hear every ones opinions on the best muzzy. Not looking to become a muzzy expert. My question is simple. What's a good available legal low cost muzzleloader? That's it. I don't really care if you feel I need to research myself. That's why I asked here so I don't have to. I didn't ask for the best way to research buying a muzzy did I. If I had your response would have been spot on!
Sorry rant finished.
If I post just buy this type of muzzle loader would that not construe another opinion to wade through? Had more information like that rant you fired back been more forthcoming at the beginning of your thread I could have just stated buy what you want and forget wading through research and everyones opinions.
I missed the target you presented with your question, since the word "Rookie" occurred in the opening line. I am now better informed that you are aware of legal muzzle loaders as you previously mentioned you were not, as well your budget is considerably more generous than suggested.
Those were valid questions I posed for a "Rookie" so I also posted a Sorry in anticipation to a predictable outcome occurring in this thread. :bdid:
Buy the best, forget the rest! Spend money on junk you will get junk, just my opinion. Knight all the way! Just my opinion! Same goes for powder, bullets, accessories, ram rods, speed loaders, sabots, caps.
Hell, just my opinion! Oh wait I forgot you're not interested in that. :dunno:
Post by: MarkyMark on June 22, 2014, 03:13:37 PM
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on June 22, 2014, 03:35:24 PM
So wow. Another thread with another hothead bickering. Makes me wish I never offered any information. Good luck on your quest to find an inexpensive muzzleloader.
Not at all. Thanks for the suggestion. I just figured that's the way it was going. With all the talk about dedication and such.
Post by: MarkyMark on June 22, 2014, 03:36:58 PM
Post by: SnakeEyes on June 22, 2014, 09:13:49 PM
Good luck.
Post by: MarkyMark on June 22, 2014, 10:06:18 PM
Post by: Jburke on June 23, 2014, 04:24:31 PM
There is a used TC black diamond in the classifieds right now for $300 with what appears to be everything you would need accessory wise even. Worth a look at leastWhat is low budget $$
What will you hunting?
How dedicated are you to learning?
Have you read the regulations regarding WA legal muzzle loaders.
Have you searched this sites vast archives regarding Wa legal muzzle loaders?
washington state legal muzzleloaders (http://washington state legal muzzleloaders)
:sry:
1. Around $200 for the gun. I understand accessories will be extra $.
2. Elk and possibly deer.
3. Not going to become some smoke pole history buff.
But I am willing to give it a go.
4. Yes.
5. Yes.
Why would you be sorry?
I'm not looking to read for two hours to hear every ones opinions on the best muzzy. Not looking to become a muzzy expert. My question is simple. What's a good available legal low cost muzzleloader? That's it. I don't really care if you feel I need to research myself. That's why I asked here so I don't have to. I didn't ask for the best way to research buying a muzzy did I. If I had your response would have been spot on!
Sorry rant finished.
Post by: d.winsor on June 26, 2014, 01:45:50 AM
Post by: trophyhunt on June 26, 2014, 06:27:51 AM
Post by: bobcat on June 26, 2014, 06:41:52 AM
Post by: trophyhunt on June 26, 2014, 06:45:49 AM
Does anyone know what the twist is on the CVA?yes 1:28, is that good?
Post by: bobcat on June 26, 2014, 06:47:47 AM
Post by: trophyhunt on June 26, 2014, 06:50:14 AM
Yes 1 in 28 is what I would want. Thanks, I couldn't find that on the CVA website.On the link I posted it shows all the details. So do you think I should sell the xr and buy this??
Post by: bobcat on June 26, 2014, 07:03:00 AM
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on June 27, 2014, 03:57:47 PM
Get the CVA Northwest Edition, everything you want, very accurate, lifetime warranty. http://www.muzzle-loaders.com/rifles/cva/wolf/pr2113s.php (http://www.muzzle-loaders.com/rifles/cva/wolf/pr2113s.php)
Just picked this gun up. Thanks for the info guys! :tup: So I got a pack of three speed loaders for 5 dollars as well. Is Muzzelloader.com relatively cheap for bullets and accessories? Or is there a better web site to get ammo and powder from? BTW they charged me $20 for shipping. :bash: :bash: Should have got the optima for free shipping over 308. But whatever I still saved a few bucks with the wolf. so whats a list of items I need to make this thing go bang? I want high quality accessories. Not over priced but I want to practice with the same loads I hunt with. Thanks for the help.
Post by: HntnFsh on June 27, 2014, 04:19:14 PM
Post by: bobcat on June 27, 2014, 04:24:57 PM
http://www.prbullet.com/ (http://www.prbullet.com/)
Post by: d.winsor on June 27, 2014, 05:49:43 PM
If you use a drill bit put some electrical tape around the shank so you can grip it, the carbon can be stubborn sometimes. I think an 1/8" drill bit will work
You will also need a good bullet starter. here is one I use, it is also for hollow point or polymer tip bullets. http://www.cva.com/CVA-Store-View.php?id=95 (http://www.cva.com/CVA-Store-View.php?id=95)
You also need some 2 or 2 1/2 " patches to clean and lube your barrel, also I would get a couple of nylon brushes.
Also you will need something to soak your breech plug in, If you can't find anything else this will do it. http://www.cva.com/CVA-Store-View.php?id=150 (http://www.cva.com/CVA-Store-View.php?id=150) myself I use Slip 2000 choke tube cleaner http://www.slip2000.com/ (http://www.slip2000.com/)
you will also need a breech plug brush set, to scrub fire channel and barrel breech plug threads. http://www.cva.com/CVA-Store-View.php?id=139 (http://www.cva.com/CVA-Store-View.php?id=139)
you put some solvent on a patch and put it on the brush and turn it in your gun like you are threading in your breech plug, do it until a patch comes out clean, Then use a dry patch and do the same thing. then put a patch on your brush and some lubricant and thread that in your barrel threads to lubricate them. After your breech plug is clean and dry lightly lube it. Put white teflon tape around your breech plug threads, when you are finished with your barrel thread the Breech plug in your barrel. The reason I say use white teflon tape is if you have to push a load out of your barrel because it didn't fire, or you want to unload it without firing it, the powder won't get in the grease, causing a messy cleanup.
You will also need a lube, I use slip 2000 gun lub, It is for modern guns and Blackpowder guns, nothing like it, but you might like something else. http://www.cva.com/CVA-Store-View.php?id=139 (http://www.cva.com/CVA-Store-View.php?id=139)
You will also need a solvent, here is the slip 2000 products and cleaners. http://www.slip2000.com/ (http://www.slip2000.com/)
There are a lot of muzzleloader cleaners out there, I am telling you about slip 2000 because I believe in it strongly, and feel it does a really good job on my gun.
One other thing I would buy would be a good range rod, and when you can afford it I would get a spinjag, google it and they have a lot of information and reviews. They have them for loading only with real tight tolerances, and they have them that you can clean and load with http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=spinjag&clk_rvr_id=658919285701&adpos=1o1&MT_ID=70&crlp=33299351286_2416792&device=c&geo_id=10232&keyword=spinjag&crdt=0 (http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=spinjag&clk_rvr_id=658919285701&adpos=1o1&MT_ID=70&crlp=33299351286_2416792&device=c&geo_id=10232&keyword=spinjag&crdt=0)
you will also need a powder measure http://www.cva.com/CVA-Store-View.php?id=90 (http://www.cva.com/CVA-Store-View.php?id=90)
Besides your Bullets, Powder and Primer this stuff should get you shooting, You can do your own searching for Blackpowder accessories, cleaners, lubes, etc. you might be able to find them cheaper.
Good Luck, post back and let us know how that wolf shoots.
Post by: MountainDevil54 on June 27, 2014, 06:45:35 PM
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on June 27, 2014, 06:51:37 PM
get you a drill bit to clean out the flash channel of your breech plug every 3 to 6 shots. here is something you might want to consider http://www.plugcleaner.com/images/EEZY-BREECH-UsersGuide.pdf (http://www.plugcleaner.com/images/EEZY-BREECH-UsersGuide.pdf) I have one and get a lot of use out of it. It allows you to clean to small orfice in your breech plug also.
If you use a drill bit put some electrical tape around the shank so you can grip it, the carbon can be stubborn sometimes. I think an 1/8" drill bit will work
You will also need a good bullet starter. here is one I use, it is also for hollow point or polymer tip bullets. http://www.cva.com/CVA-Store-View.php?id=95 (http://www.cva.com/CVA-Store-View.php?id=95)
You also need some 2 or 2 1/2 " patches to clean and lube your barrel, also I would get a couple of nylon brushes.
Also you will need something to soak your breech plug in, If you can't find anything else this will do it. http://www.cva.com/CVA-Store-View.php?id=150 (http://www.cva.com/CVA-Store-View.php?id=150) myself I use Slip 2000 choke tube cleaner http://www.slip2000.com/ (http://www.slip2000.com/)
you will also need a breech plug brush set, to scrub fire channel and barrel breech plug threads. http://www.cva.com/CVA-Store-View.php?id=139 (http://www.cva.com/CVA-Store-View.php?id=139)
you put some solvent on a patch and put it on the brush and turn it in your gun like you are threading in your breech plug, do it until a patch comes out clean, Then use a dry patch and do the same thing. then put a patch on your brush and some lubricant and thread that in your barrel threads to lubricate them. After your breech plug is clean and dry lightly lube it. Put white teflon tape around your breech plug threads, when you are finished with your barrel thread the Breech plug in your barrel. The reason I say use white teflon tape is if you have to push a load out of your barrel because it didn't fire, or you want to unload it without firing it, the powder won't get in the grease, causing a messy cleanup.
You will also need a lube, I use slip 2000 gun lub, It is for modern guns and Blackpowder guns, nothing like it, but you might like something else. http://www.cva.com/CVA-Store-View.php?id=139 (http://www.cva.com/CVA-Store-View.php?id=139)
You will also need a solvent, here is the slip 2000 products and cleaners. http://www.slip2000.com/ (http://www.slip2000.com/)
There are a lot of muzzleloader cleaners out there, I am telling you about slip 2000 because I believe in it strongly, and feel it does a really good job on my gun.
One other thing I would buy would be a good range rod, and when you can afford it I would get a spinjag, google it and they have a lot of information and reviews. They have them for loading only with real tight tolerances, and they have them that you can clean and load with http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=spinjag&clk_rvr_id=658919285701&adpos=1o1&MT_ID=70&crlp=33299351286_2416792&device=c&geo_id=10232&keyword=spinjag&crdt=0 (http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=spinjag&clk_rvr_id=658919285701&adpos=1o1&MT_ID=70&crlp=33299351286_2416792&device=c&geo_id=10232&keyword=spinjag&crdt=0)
you will also need a powder measure http://www.cva.com/CVA-Store-View.php?id=90 (http://www.cva.com/CVA-Store-View.php?id=90)
Besides your Bullets, Powder and Primer this stuff should get you shooting, You can do your own searching for Blackpowder accessories, cleaners, lubes, etc. you might be able to find them cheaper.
Good Luck, post back and let us know how that wold shoots.
This is a ton of info thanks! Do you have a link for the RWS Musket caps that they suggest using? I don't have the gun yet so I cant see how the musket cap will fit?
Post by: MarkyMark on June 27, 2014, 07:06:36 PM
I purchased a nipple pick and that keeps my breach plug clean enough while on the range.
When I got home I soaked my breach plug in citrus cleaner/water for an hour and it looked like new.
Post by: d.winsor on June 27, 2014, 09:24:29 PM
here is a CVA Warranty Registration page for you http://www.cva.com/Muzzleloading-Resources.php?area=Lifetime-Warranty#t (http://www.cva.com/Muzzleloading-Resources.php?area=Lifetime-Warranty#t)
Also if no one chimes in on the breech plug I would contact CVA and ask them what the procedure is while you are shooting the gun, if there is anything you should do to prevent hang fires, etc.
here is a link to ask CVA a question using e-mail. http://www.cva.com/contact.php (http://www.cva.com/contact.php)
here are some links to look at for RWS Musket caps, I think you are going to have a hard time finding them https://www.google.com/search?q=RWS+Musket+caps&rlz=1C1CHMO_enUS565US565&oq=RWS+Musket+caps&aqs=chrome..69i57&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=93&ie=UTF-8#q=RWS+Musket+caps&start=0 (https://www.google.com/search?q=RWS+Musket+caps&rlz=1C1CHMO_enUS565US565&oq=RWS+Musket+caps&aqs=chrome..69i57&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=93&ie=UTF-8#q=RWS+Musket+caps&start=0)
I think that the Northwest Wolf will use #11 Mag caps also https://www.google.com/search?q=RWS+Musket+caps&rlz=1C1CHMO_enUS565US565&oq=RWS+Musket+caps&aqs=chrome..69i57&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=93&ie=UTF-8#q=Mag+%2311+caps&start=0 (https://www.google.com/search?q=RWS+Musket+caps&rlz=1C1CHMO_enUS565US565&oq=RWS+Musket+caps&aqs=chrome..69i57&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=93&ie=UTF-8#q=Mag+%2311+caps&start=0)
Here are some links for regular #11 caps https://www.google.com/search?q=RWS+Musket+caps&rlz=1C1CHMO_enUS565US565&oq=RWS+Musket+caps&aqs=chrome..69i57&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=93&ie=UTF-8#q=%2311+percussion+caps&start=0 (https://www.google.com/search?q=RWS+Musket+caps&rlz=1C1CHMO_enUS565US565&oq=RWS+Musket+caps&aqs=chrome..69i57&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=93&ie=UTF-8#q=%2311+percussion+caps&start=0)
There are a few companies that have the regular #11 Caps, not as hot as the mag #11 caps. one thing to remember is if you have to order #11 Caps or musket caps online you will also have to pay a 27.50 or more hazmat fee, so order a lot if you have to. In the links above there are forums that discuss the difference between musket caps and #11 Caps, it might be some good reading for you. I myself don't know anything about musket caps but have used quite a lot of regular #11 percussion caps, never had any problem with them. I used them in a T/C renegade 54 Caliber. If I can think of anything else that will help you I'll post it, hope you enjoy your rifle.
Post by: MarkyMark on June 27, 2014, 09:54:34 PM
Also CVA states the breach plug is designed for loose powder. I shot both 777 loose and pyrodex pellets w/o any troubles. I would swab the barrel after every 2-3 shots. Hope this helps.
Post by: d.winsor on June 27, 2014, 10:17:10 PM
Post by: MountainDevil54 on June 27, 2014, 10:37:40 PM
Post by: hirshey on June 27, 2014, 10:53:33 PM
What is low budget $$
What will you hunting?
How dedicated are you to learning?
Have you read the regulations regarding WA legal muzzle loaders.
Have you searched this sites vast archives regarding Wa legal muzzle loaders?
washington state legal muzzleloaders (http://washington state legal muzzleloaders)
:sry:
After this
Buy a Knight 50 cal.
:yeah:
...even though I have a Thompson Center Black Diamond .50 cal.... but diamonds are a girl's best friend. :chuckle:
Post by: d.winsor on June 28, 2014, 02:24:38 AM
north west guns use musket nipples, not 209 primers.
I keep forgetting that!
Post by: HntnFsh on June 28, 2014, 05:53:23 AM
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on June 28, 2014, 07:42:22 AM
What is low budget $$
What will you hunting?
How dedicated are you to learning?
Have you read the regulations regarding WA legal muzzle loaders.
Have you searched this sites vast archives regarding Wa legal muzzle loaders?
washington state legal muzzleloaders (http://washington state legal muzzleloaders)
:sry:
After this
Buy a Knight 50 cal.
:yeah:
...even though I have a Thompson Center Black Diamond .50 cal.... but diamonds are a girl's best friend. :chuckle:
Dot tell my fiancé she needs no more diamonds even if its a muzzy. :chuckle: I still have to buy accessories! :yike:
Post by: hirshey on June 28, 2014, 08:04:34 AM
:chuckle:What is low budget $$
What will you hunting?
How dedicated are you to learning?
Have you read the regulations regarding WA legal muzzle loaders.
Have you searched this sites vast archives regarding Wa legal muzzle loaders?
washington state legal muzzleloaders (http://washington state legal muzzleloaders)
:sry:
After this
Buy a Knight 50 cal.
:yeah:
...even though I have a Thompson Center Black Diamond .50 cal.... but diamonds are a girl's best friend. :chuckle:
Dot tell my fiancé she needs no more diamonds even if its a muzzy. :chuckle: I still have to buy accessories! :yike:
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on June 28, 2014, 08:21:51 AM
:chuckle:What is low budget $$
What will you hunting?
How dedicated are you to learning?
Have you read the regulations regarding WA legal muzzle loaders.
Have you searched this sites vast archives regarding Wa legal muzzle loaders?
washington state legal muzzleloaders (http://washington state legal muzzleloaders)
:sry:
After this
Buy a Knight 50 cal.
:yeah:
...even though I have a Thompson Center Black Diamond .50 cal.... but diamonds are a girl's best friend. :chuckle:
Dot tell my fiancé she needs no more diamonds even if its a muzzy. :chuckle: I still have to buy accessories! :yike:
I think for shock value a muzzy might win her heart though. Don't get me wrong she got a rock. It's just a girl can never have enough guns. :chuckle:
Post by: MountainDevil54 on June 28, 2014, 11:08:04 AM
One thing I learned, the Nipple is built into the breech plug and I guess is not removable? I will figure this all out once it arrives. :tup:
Post by: hirshey on June 28, 2014, 07:38:42 PM
:tup: Too true... I just bought a new scope for my next gun.. when I figure out exactly what that is. :chuckle::chuckle:What is low budget $$
What will you hunting?
How dedicated are you to learning?
Have you read the regulations regarding WA legal muzzle loaders.
Have you searched this sites vast archives regarding Wa legal muzzle loaders?
washington state legal muzzleloaders (http://washington state legal muzzleloaders)
:sry:
After this
Buy a Knight 50 cal.
:yeah:
...even though I have a Thompson Center Black Diamond .50 cal.... but diamonds are a girl's best friend. :chuckle:
Dot tell my fiancé she needs no more diamonds even if its a muzzy. :chuckle: I still have to buy accessories! :yike:
I think for shock value a muzzy might win her heart though. Don't get me wrong she got a rock. It's just a girl can never have enough guns. :chuckle:
The TC has proven to be a really great gun for me... my mom, dad, ex, and his brother all purchased Knight MK85's off of gunbroker with really great success and really amazing prices, but it seems once they started production again the prices went back up. Hope your selection treats you as well as ours have. :)
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on June 29, 2014, 08:38:50 AM
Post by: hirshey on June 29, 2014, 06:05:18 PM
Barnes Spit-fire TMZ or T-EZs have worked well in both the Knights and my TC. For elk, we all have used the 290 grain with great success. :dunno:
The TMZs load just fine for my TC, but we've found reloading after a shot or two in the Knights, the T-EZs were much preferred.
(tried to find my post-elk bullet photo but couldn't...)
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on June 29, 2014, 09:05:21 PM
Post by: MountainDevil54 on June 29, 2014, 09:28:25 PM
Post by: hirshey on June 29, 2014, 10:10:24 PM
Post by: HntnFsh on June 30, 2014, 08:23:54 AM
man i sure in heck wouldnt use a 245gr powerbelt for elk.
:yeah: I agree! But then I wouldnt use a powerbelt for anything!
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on June 30, 2014, 09:14:34 AM
Post by: HntnFsh on June 30, 2014, 12:45:09 PM
Just out plinkin around. The powerbelts are more than $1 per round. You must be rich HntFsh! I don't intend on hunting elk with 245 grain Powerbelts. I am just target shooting. I will try lots of different combos. Hirshey suggested what she used. What about the peanut gallery? Or should I have asked what rounds should I not target shoot with? :chuckle:
Not rich by far. Just not a Powerbelt fan. For plinking guess I cant blame you. If I dig through my M/L supplies I'm sure I have a bunch of different bullets I can make you a deal on. Just so you have something cheaper to shoot. If interested I will look and see what I have.
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on June 30, 2014, 04:45:01 PM