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Other Hunting => Waterfowl => Topic started by: dustysags on June 24, 2014, 10:00:45 PM

Title: illegal to charge people to hunt?
Post by: dustysags on June 24, 2014, 10:00:45 PM
So i'm pretty lucky here on the westside over here and have some really good waterfowl and goose hunting areas my family owns. I was wondering if it's illegal to just take some guys hunting and charge them. I have days where i could use a few more guys to get some more birds and if i could get some money to buy more decoys or what not i think it would be pretty good deal for both parties. So is this illegal or would i have to purchase some guide business stuff?
Title: Re: illegal to charge people to hunt?
Post by: blackveltbowhunter on June 24, 2014, 10:05:21 PM
Take em hunting for free. Charge them for access, its the new world order.
Title: Re: illegal to charge people to hunt?
Post by: dustysags on June 24, 2014, 10:14:22 PM
oh thats brillant. well i'll put up a post closer to hunting season if anyone on here wants to get in on some geese,mallards and more widgeon you can shake a stick at near the NW
Title: Re: illegal to charge people to hunt?
Post by: greenhead_killer on June 25, 2014, 03:16:17 AM
I'm game
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Post by: lokidog on June 25, 2014, 05:06:56 AM
Tag
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Post by: billythekidrock on June 25, 2014, 05:41:40 AM
oh thats brillant. well i'll put up a post closer to hunting season if anyone on here wants to get in on some geese,mallards and more widgeon you can shake a stick at near the NW

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Title: Re: illegal to charge people to hunt?
Post by: bearpaw on June 25, 2014, 06:18:02 AM
Washington does not have hunting guide licensing, however, if you are running a business you should have a business license and to protect all parties you should have liability insurance. Additionally, it's a federal violation to operate on federal lands and a state violation to operate on WDFW lands without a special-use permit.

FYI - H-W does not have any sponsors who are active waterfowl guides, I would like to see a couple good waterfowl guides advertise on the forum to accommodate hunters looking for a waterfowl guide. It's only $50 yearly to be a sponsor.
Title: Re: illegal to charge people to hunt?
Post by: Stein on June 25, 2014, 07:32:26 AM
I would be interested as well, never have been bird hunting but would love to find a way to learn the sport.
Title: Re: illegal to charge people to hunt?
Post by: pianoman9701 on June 25, 2014, 07:37:49 AM
You can sell leases on your own property without a business license unless the income exceeds $12K/yr.
Title: Re: illegal to charge people to hunt?
Post by: Fishnclifff on June 25, 2014, 05:49:26 PM
I would like some new opportunities to smack some quackers.
Title: Re: illegal to charge people to hunt?
Post by: blackveltbowhunter on June 26, 2014, 08:44:43 AM
You can sell leases on your own property without a business license unless the income exceeds $12K/yr.

 :yeah:
Title: Re: illegal to charge people to hunt?
Post by: hdshot on June 26, 2014, 12:17:35 PM
So i'm pretty lucky here on the westside over here and have some really good waterfowl and goose hunting areas my family owns. I was wondering if it's illegal to just take some guys hunting and charge them. I have days where i could use a few more guys to get some more birds and if i could get some money to buy more decoys or what not i think it would be pretty good deal for both parties. So is this illegal or would i have to purchase some guide business stuff?

If your just looking for some decoy money I would just have the hunter show up with some new decoys of your choice as a gift to you for some hunting access.   
Title: Re: illegal to charge people to hunt?
Post by: bigtex on June 26, 2014, 12:51:04 PM
Washington does not have hunting guide licensing, however, if you are running a business you should have a business license and to protect all parties you should have liability insurance. Additionally, it's a federal violation to operate on federal lands and a state violation to operate on WDFW lands without a special-use permit.
:yeah:

WA's hunting guide industry is realistically the last unregulated fishing/hunting industry left in the state, at least unregulated by WDFW. WA is definitely on the short list, especially in the west that doesn't regulate hunting guides. Although I do think there will be changes in the next decade or so, the legislature has been starting to really set some requirements for fishing guides and I can see them moving to the hunting side soon  :twocents:
Title: Re: illegal to charge people to hunt?
Post by: bearpaw on June 27, 2014, 05:55:19 AM
Washington does not have hunting guide licensing, however, if you are running a business you should have a business license and to protect all parties you should have liability insurance. Additionally, it's a federal violation to operate on federal lands and a state violation to operate on WDFW lands without a special-use permit.
:yeah:

WA's hunting guide industry is realistically the last unregulated fishing/hunting industry left in the state, at least unregulated by WDFW. WA is definitely on the short list, especially in the west that doesn't regulate hunting guides. Although I do think there will be changes in the next decade or so, the legislature has been starting to really set some requirements for fishing guides and I can see them moving to the hunting side soon  :twocents:

The industry is asking for regulation, there have been complaints made to the AG's office due to unscrupulous operators recently, and its been brought up during the Parks & Recreation Task Force meetings.
Title: Re: illegal to charge people to hunt?
Post by: Elliott on June 28, 2014, 03:01:25 AM
Im game, its been too long since I shot a quacker!
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Post by: irishevox on July 02, 2014, 01:49:15 PM
i am down to
Title: Re: illegal to charge people to hunt?
Post by: Birdguy on July 02, 2014, 08:17:47 PM
Dusty, I might know a couple youth hunters that would be interested in waterfowl. Both kids have mentioned it but I have never done it so have no idea what to tell them other than "we will see". How is that pup of yours filling out? I was thinking about you and him the other day, wondering if you were back from Alaska yet.  He should be a big beautiful dog by now. Take care.
Title: Re: illegal to charge people to hunt?
Post by: hdshot on July 06, 2014, 07:25:08 PM
Dusty, I might know a couple youth hunters that would be interested in waterfowl. Both kids have mentioned it but I have never done it so have no idea what to tell them other than "we will see". How is that pup of yours filling out? I was thinking about you and him the other day, wondering if you were back from Alaska yet.  He should be a big beautiful dog by now. Take care.

I don't want to sound mean but I have a family member with property and about 3 on the list.  Sometimes hunters pull up and start asking me and I tell them who the owner is but chances are nil since I'm on the list but they insist to blow by me like a dirty shirt and use the skit only to end up slamming their truck doors on the way out.     

   
Title: Re: illegal to charge people to hunt?
Post by: h2ofowlr on July 06, 2014, 08:46:24 PM
Check the federal laws on charging for hunting.  You would have to word it as a day lease possibly, but not 100%.  If you get caught guiding without a license you would be in violation of the Lacey Act.  Do your homework by looking at the Federal and State waterfowl regs.
Title: Re: illegal to charge people to hunt?
Post by: Tealer on July 07, 2014, 07:14:02 PM

Check the federal laws on charging for hunting.  You would have to word it as a day lease possibly, but not 100%.  If you get caught guiding without a license you would be in violation of the Lacey Act.  Do your homework by looking at the Federal and State waterfowl regs.

The liability with out a license is what scares me. If a guy gets hurt out there he will own you. I have to carry a million dollar policy to run clients. Goes up if they ride in your truck, quad, boat.


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Title: Re: illegal to charge people to hunt?
Post by: deadwoodbuck on July 11, 2014, 03:02:44 PM
ya me too for sure I  will grease the palms for ducks geese what you got...looks like a long list already so you are set for the season.  but did you expect anything different...better yet call it a donation for the sustainability of waterfowl habitation...not pay to hunt.  good luck and i'll be looking for your lottery call. 
Title: Re: illegal to charge people to hunt?
Post by: mburrows on July 16, 2014, 11:27:50 AM
PM sent dusty
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Post by: sakoshooter on July 19, 2014, 09:58:37 PM
Dale, a guy I hunt waterfowl with is licensed in WA to guide waterfowling and has been for years. Licensed and bonded.
Title: Re: illegal to charge people to hunt?
Post by: Tealer on July 21, 2014, 11:03:34 PM

Dale, a guy I hunt waterfowl with is licensed in WA to guide waterfowling and has been for years. Licensed and bonded.

That's a cheap easy process unless he has his USCG OUPV.


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Title: Re: illegal to charge people to hunt?
Post by: Netminder01 on July 24, 2014, 08:43:23 AM
I usually help with a veterans hunt on the DHC board.  It would be cool to donate the land for a 1-2 day veterans hunt and I could connect the discussions if this is something you'd like to participate in. 

Feel free to PM me if you'd like to discuss this more.
Title: Re: illegal to charge people to hunt?
Post by: bearpaw on July 24, 2014, 02:36:34 PM

Dale, a guy I hunt waterfowl with is licensed in WA to guide waterfowling and has been for years. Licensed and bonded.

That's a cheap easy process unless he has his USCG OUPV.


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What license?
Do you mean permitted to operate on federal lands?
Title: Re: illegal to charge people to hunt?
Post by: Tealer on July 24, 2014, 05:14:37 PM
Was kinda my point........


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Title: Re: illegal to charge people to hunt?
Post by: Patarero on September 03, 2014, 12:14:06 PM
what Tealer said... if you run them in a boat and they give you anything for services, you have to have a USCG oupv or tonnage license, pee test card, TWIC card, etc. PITA to maintain.
Title: Re: illegal to charge people to hunt?
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on September 03, 2014, 12:28:58 PM
I am lost here ..If you pay someone to go hunting you are being guided  :dunno:  Is not that illegal without a license ?
Title: Re: illegal to charge people to hunt?
Post by: pianoman9701 on September 03, 2014, 12:31:16 PM
Not in WA. There's no such thing as a guiding license here. It's a big issue, especially among quality guiding services who care about the reputation of their businesses.
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