Post by: Bean Counter on July 17, 2014, 10:20:00 AM
http://www.yakimaherald.com/news/yhr/thursday/2343412-8/investigators-charge-man-who-shot-car-prowler (http://www.yakimaherald.com/news/yhr/thursday/2343412-8/investigators-charge-man-who-shot-car-prowler)
Post by: pianoman9701 on July 17, 2014, 10:24:27 AM
Post by: rover758 on July 17, 2014, 10:32:24 AM
Post by: h20hunter on July 17, 2014, 10:37:26 AM
Post by: Bean Counter on July 17, 2014, 11:13:13 AM
(Newser) – A Texas grand jury’s decision to take no action against Joe Horn, who killed two burglars on his front lawn, has focused attention on the state’s “deadly force” laws, the Houston Chronicle reports. Horn’s life was not in danger until he confronted the thieves fleeing his neighbor’s house, but his actions were legally protected by a statute dating from the 1850s.
That statute justifies the use of deadly force if the shooter “reasonably believes” it’s necessary to stop the theft—a stance opponents see as a catch-all vigilante loophole. Horn also brought attention, by incorrectly citing it in his defense, to the newly enacted “castle doctrine,” which also would have cleared him of all culpability—if it had been his own house, not his neighbor’s
http://www.newser.com/story/31381/no-charges-for-texas-man-who-shot-neighbors-burglars.html (http://www.newser.com/story/31381/no-charges-for-texas-man-who-shot-neighbors-burglars.html)
Post by: Bean Counter on July 17, 2014, 11:17:52 AM
Post by: stromdiddily on July 17, 2014, 11:19:31 AM
Post by: snowpack on July 17, 2014, 11:23:40 AM
He made a mistake in talking to the police. Why do people insist on incriminating themselves? You can't shoot someone who's running away, even in TX. Had he acquired an attorney, I'm sure that it would have turned out that he was shooting at one perp who was facing him off and missed, striking the second one. It's too bad that criminals have more rights than victims.In Texas you can shoot them while they are running away depending on if they have any of your property and what kind. My neighbor told me about a guy down there that came home from hunting and when he pulled into his driveway a group of illegals were running out of his house. He shot them and the cops said it was okay because they had stolen his shoes, and Texas has a law that goes back to the 1850s regarding stealing another man's mode of transport. The law was about stealing a horse and boots and leaving people in the desert to certain death back then. But it has been upheld many times for repo men being chased down and killed while suspected of being vehicle thieves.
Post by: CP on July 17, 2014, 11:46:32 AM
"I feared that the thieves were armed and intended to commit great personal injury to myself and I was in imminent danger.”
Post by: Bean Counter on July 17, 2014, 11:51:34 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on July 17, 2014, 12:03:38 PM
Repeat after me:
"I feared that the thieves were armed and intended to commit great personal injury to myself and I was in imminent danger.”
As they were running away? No, "I wish to speak with an attorney before making any statement." It's the only thing you should say, ever.
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on July 17, 2014, 12:12:53 PM
Post by: bhawley76 on July 17, 2014, 12:29:47 PM
Post by: Badhabit on July 17, 2014, 12:33:38 PM
Something like lay your weapon down, raise your hands above your head say you were the victim of a crime and you will be happy to cooperate with the investigation after you have consulted an atty.
Post by: washelkhunter on July 17, 2014, 01:11:37 PM
Post by: sakoshooter on July 18, 2014, 10:13:27 PM
He made a few mistakes. Talking to the police instead of being represented by a lawyer is one. Another is shooting at someone running away. If he would have been a better shot he would be up for murder. Like the OP title says, this ain't Texas.
I think he was a great shot. I'm assuming he tried to hit him in the leg. Since both thieves still had his stuff, I can see where the shooter's coming from.
Post by: pianoman9701 on July 19, 2014, 07:52:57 AM
He made a few mistakes. Talking to the police instead of being represented by a lawyer is one. Another is shooting at someone running away. If he would have been a better shot he would be up for murder. Like the OP title says, this ain't Texas.
I think he was a great shot. I'm assuming he tried to hit him in the leg. Since both thieves still had his stuff, I can see where the shooter's coming from.
Absolutely agreed. He just made some big mistakes and protecting his own rights.
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Post by: pianoman9701 on July 25, 2014, 06:42:50 AM
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-woman-shot-burglary-20140724-story.html (http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-woman-shot-burglary-20140724-story.html)
Post by: csaaphill on July 31, 2014, 08:10:32 PM
Here's one in LA, pregnant woman running away after ransacking his house was shot and killed by an 80 year-old man. I understand that she would have just done it over and over again. But you can't get them running away and then, you can't talk to the police about it if you do.That's the one I seen and wondered if this was the same story I guess not.
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-woman-shot-burglary-20140724-story.html (http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-woman-shot-burglary-20140724-story.html)
Turns out she wasn't pregnant though, she was just saying so.
Ya libs got it so unpracticle to use and defend yourself hard to know just what you can do and not.
But guess alternative is to just just die, or use your right and hope for the best later on!
Post by: pianoman9701 on August 01, 2014, 06:29:22 AM
Here's one in LA, pregnant woman running away after ransacking his house was shot and killed by an 80 year-old man. I understand that she would have just done it over and over again. But you can't get them running away and then, you can't talk to the police about it if you do.That's the one I seen and wondered if this was the same story I guess not.
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-woman-shot-burglary-20140724-story.html (http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-woman-shot-burglary-20140724-story.html)
Turns out she wasn't pregnant though, she was just saying so.
Ya libs got it so unpracticle to use and defend yourself hard to know just what you can do and not.
But guess alternative is to just just die, or use your right and hope for the best later on!
You must follow rules of engagement and you must observe your Constitutional rights. I don't feel bad for any perp that gets a hammer dropped on him. People just need to do it right. You know, "Hey wait, you forgot all this cash!"