Post by: raydog on July 27, 2014, 11:43:49 AM
Post by: grundy53 on July 27, 2014, 11:45:20 AM
Today was out scouting and found a barrel chained to tree with a bunch of rotten food in it. :bash: Obviously a bear baiter. It's not an emergency so I justtexted the WDFW TIP thing, tried calling but they aren't open till tomorrow. Hopefully they get back to me. Pisses me off because found good sign just a few 100 yards away. I was real excited for the opener. I will have to go somewhere else I guess. :stup: Have you guys ever stumbled across something like this, what did you do?Is there anything else I should do, maybe contact the local warden? They are dispatched through the state patrol I think.
Was this on industrial timberlands?
Post by: raydog on July 27, 2014, 11:47:32 AM
Post by: grundy53 on July 27, 2014, 11:50:51 AM
Post by: raydog on July 27, 2014, 11:53:48 AM
Post by: raydog on July 27, 2014, 11:56:10 AM
Post by: mfswallace on July 27, 2014, 12:07:23 PM
Post by: raydog on July 27, 2014, 12:18:13 PM
Post by: 3nails on July 27, 2014, 12:56:51 PM
Post by: raydog on July 27, 2014, 01:07:44 PM
Sure wish this was a legal method to hunt bear. Without baiting and hounds they are out of control. One of the timber holdings by my area is so lousy with bears and cats there are virtually no deer. It's a shame because it's prime habitat.I wish hound hunt was legal for cats! I would have to say no to baiting just because I know the amount of garbage that would be left out there. In the area im at there aren't a lot of bears, a few, but not an abundance. The deer population is pretty good in this area. Heck, check out the buck I got on camera about 250 yards away in the thick stuff.
Post by: 3nails on July 27, 2014, 01:15:17 PM
Post by: RadSav on July 27, 2014, 01:37:13 PM
Now if I got OIL tag preference points for reporting them... :chuckle:
Post by: bmccalister on July 27, 2014, 01:45:54 PM
Post by: bugs n bones on July 27, 2014, 01:46:47 PM
While I hate guys who leave trash in the woods I have a hard time reporting bear baits. It was not a WDFW decision to eliminate baiting. And the bait hunting was actually doing a lot of good for the timber, deer and elk. It was uninformed voters who really had no business getting involved in wildlife management that made that decision. So while I personally would never take the risk and believe we are all better off if we obey the rules of the land I usually just ignore them when I see 'em. And since the well said!WDFW officers I've talked with seem to be completely uninterested when I've reported illegally shot elk why would they give much of a dang about a bear bait. :dunno:
Now if I got OIL tag preference points for reporting them... :chuckle:
Post by: trophyhunt on July 27, 2014, 02:20:55 PM
Post by: raydog on July 27, 2014, 02:51:31 PM
Post by: raydog on July 27, 2014, 02:54:07 PM
Bear baiting does not bother me, it should be legal! Anti's got that law passed not hunters. I wouldn't call anyone.It doesn't bother me besides the little bit of trash, but who knows maybe they were gonna pick it up after season. It just sucks casue now I don't want to hunt to close to that area. The set up on my good still hunt trail.
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on July 27, 2014, 03:00:24 PM
Bear baiting does not bother me, it should be legal! Anti's got that law passed not hunters. I wouldn't call anyone.
I'm with jerry on this as well, tend to your own knittin.....
Post by: trophyhunt on July 27, 2014, 03:02:59 PM
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Post by: mtman on July 27, 2014, 03:33:04 PM
Post by: Biggerhammer on July 27, 2014, 05:09:27 PM
While I hate guys who leave trash in the woods I have a hard time reporting bear baits. It was not a WDFW decision to eliminate baiting. And the bait hunting was actually doing a lot of good for the timber, deer and elk. It was uninformed voters who really had no business getting involved in wildlife management that made that decision. So while I personally would never take the risk and believe we are all better off if we obey the rules of the land I usually just ignore them when I see 'em. And since the WDFW officers I've talked with seem to be completely uninterested when I've reported illegally shot elk why would they give much of a dang about a bear bait. :dunno:
Now if I got OIL tag preference points for reporting them... :chuckle:
Same here, a Bear bait set up doesn't even get a sideways glance from me and on I go. That's someone else's deal. I pay it no mind.
Post by: longwalker on July 27, 2014, 08:41:52 PM
Post by: mountainman on July 27, 2014, 09:05:12 PM
Boy of I didn't know better I'd say it sounds like a few Guys on This thread may have piles out in the woods. Turn them in, get your points. Just because you don't agree with law doesn't make the practice of breaking it anymore legal.hell by your own post these guys screwed up your bear spot. Is that fair to you ? I know a couple wardens that are very interested in busting bait sites.agree :yeah:
Post by: 3nails on July 27, 2014, 09:13:30 PM
Post by: RadSav on July 27, 2014, 09:16:24 PM
Boy of I didn't know better I'd say it sounds like a few Guys on This thread may have piles out in the woods. Turn them in, get your points. Just because you don't agree with law doesn't make the practice of breaking it anymore legal.hell by your own post these guys screwed up your bear spot. Is that fair to you ? I know a couple wardens that are very interested in busting bait sites.
Man, I'm busted! I do have a bait site. It's 450 yards wide and 1,025 yards long. Each year it is stocked with thousands of pounds of huckleberries by mother nature. Best bait site ever :tup:
Since when do they give points for reporting bait sites?
Post by: grundy53 on July 27, 2014, 09:17:49 PM
:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:Boy of I didn't know better I'd say it sounds like a few Guys on This thread may have piles out in the woods. Turn them in, get your points. Just because you don't agree with law doesn't make the practice of breaking it anymore legal.hell by your own post these guys screwed up your bear spot. Is that fair to you ? I know a couple wardens that are very interested in busting bait sites.
Man, I'm busted! I do have a bait site. It's 450 yards wide and 1,025 yards long. Each year it is stocked with thousands of pounds of huckleberries by mother nature. Best bait site ever :tup:
Since when do they give points for reporting bait sites?
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Post by: Biggerhammer on July 27, 2014, 09:22:34 PM
Post by: Bob33 on July 27, 2014, 09:25:58 PM
Now if I got OIL tag preference points for reporting them... :chuckle:Bonus points are given only for deer and elk. Turning in someone who is baiting bear illegally would qualify.
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/wac/default.aspx?cite=232-28-291 (http://apps.leg.wa.gov/wac/default.aspx?cite=232-28-291)
6. Citizen reward for reporting violations - bonus points: A person who provides information which contributes substantially to the arrest of another person for illegally hunting or killing big game or an endangered species as defined by Title 77 RCW is eligible to receive ten bonus points toward the special hunting permit drawing for one application category of deer or elk special hunting season permits.
Post by: ICEMAN on July 27, 2014, 09:29:53 PM
I could care less about bait piles. I'm sure some backdoor, shirt tail riding counter monkeys with nothing better to do than run their suck could get some pleasure out of ratting someone out. Me , I'll pass. :tup:
I would turn one in. The fact is, they are illegal. I do not like that one guy decides to break the law to get an advantage over those of us who do not break this law.
Whatch your mouth biggerhammer.
Post by: JimmyHoffa on July 27, 2014, 09:38:22 PM
Post by: raydog on July 27, 2014, 09:45:34 PM
Sure it isn't a legal bait? Tribal?No tribes for miles. Of course that doesn't mean anything though. It's a decent hike to the nearest road
Post by: Biggerhammer on July 27, 2014, 09:53:24 PM
Post by: Mike450r on July 27, 2014, 09:54:21 PM
Post by: mountainman on July 27, 2014, 09:57:58 PM
And Iceman, no worry..heard it all before..but thanks
Post by: raydog on July 27, 2014, 10:04:52 PM
Bottom line. The "Rat" call to snitch a bait pile out doesn't = Revenue/cash/ fine. Without some boots on the ground and that means time and wages in a already tight budget. Waste of time, move on.Your really pulling for the guy with the bait site aren't you. Is it yours Biggerhammer?
Just messing with ya.
Post by: Biggerhammer on July 27, 2014, 10:04:55 PM
Post by: RadSav on July 27, 2014, 10:52:03 PM
Now if I got OIL tag preference points for reporting them... :chuckle:Bonus points are given only for deer and elk. Turning in someone who is baiting bear illegally would qualify.
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/wac/default.aspx?cite=232-28-291 (http://apps.leg.wa.gov/wac/default.aspx?cite=232-28-291)
6. Citizen reward for reporting violations - bonus points: A person who provides information which contributes substantially to the arrest of another person for illegally hunting or killing big game or an endangered species as defined by Title 77 RCW is eligible to receive ten bonus points toward the special hunting permit drawing for one application category of deer or elk special hunting season permits.
Is reporting a bait site really contributing substantially to the arrest of another person for illegally hunting or killing big game? I seriously doubt it is. If it is, maybe I will report the next one I come across during elk season :dunno:
Last time I reported an illegally shot spike it took the WDFW officer two weeks to call me asking where to go from the GPS co-ords I gave them. Nothing but bones and raven poop by then I expect. How long do you think it would take them to find or care to look for a bear bait? Do you honestly think they care enough to set up a trap and catch someone and then give the reporter substantial credit for the arrest. Again I seriously doubt it.
If I ever seriously thought there was a poaching ring to sell bear baculum and gall bladder and kill more than a single bear I would probably make the call. But if I stumble across one during elk season (when I usually find them) and it looks like some teen has just thrown out a bunch of dog food and a can of spam I treat it much the same as watching some guy in Oregon smoking weed...just keep on walking and figure that's his problem.
I'm definitely not going to tell someone who wants to report a bait to not do it. If that is your idea of being a good steward then by all means make the call. But I myself feel it's a waste of time. I guess if you really wanted the 10 preference points you could set up a camera and try to capture the hunters and license plate of their vehicle. That might accomplish something and lead to some bonus points as well!
Just make sure you aren't turning in Raydog for simply being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Leaving him to have to defend himself in court because he has a legally obtained bear in his freezer. :yike:
BTW - Thanks to Biggerhammer for leaving me those Twinkie's at the rock pit. I was starving after a long day sighting in the rifles. Saved me from needing to leave early due to my sugar levels getting too low :tup: When did they change to making them smaller?
Post by: RadSav on July 27, 2014, 10:56:25 PM
Post by: KFhunter on July 27, 2014, 10:56:48 PM
Or was it on the dishonor roll on the NW sportsmen magazine?
I forget
It was a little bitty color phase blonde bear on and atv rack, think it was a couple teens busted over the deal.
Post by: RadSav on July 27, 2014, 11:06:55 PM
Was on the WDFW facebook page a while back where they made a big deal over busting a bear baiter?
Or was it on the dishonor roll on the NW sportsmen magazine?
I forget
It was a little bitty color phase blonde bear on and atv rack, think it was a couple teens busted over the deal.
Was that an out of season poaching case? I had heard some rumbling of something similar. Never read it myself. Poaching out of season is a different story all together. I think I'd feel obligated to report that!
Post by: Biggerhammer on July 27, 2014, 11:07:29 PM
Post by: heronblu on July 27, 2014, 11:14:27 PM
Post by: RadSav on July 27, 2014, 11:19:36 PM
I know! Twinkie's have been a disappointment lately. Now if I could just find me a six pack of JOLT to make up for it. :rolleyes:
:chuckle:
Reading this thread has me thinking this bear baiting thing might be big business. And as a businessman it's got me thinking how I can benefit from this. Do you think the WDFW would get upset if I had the M&M folks make me some that look like elk and deer turds so I could sell them to those wanting to bait incognito? How many gamies and phone ringers are going to bend over and taste it just to make sure it's not one of RadSav's Baiting Turds! I'd be so rich I could afford a whole carton of miniature Twinkies and call myself an Entrée-Manure :IBCOOL:
Guess I should be careful or I might never draw a special permit or a multi-season deer tag...oh wait... :chuckle:
Post by: 87Ford on July 27, 2014, 11:28:25 PM
From the Everett Herald Aug, 2007..
"Since Aug. 1, state game officers have been looking for bait hunters east of Granite Falls on the Mountain Loop Highway.
"It's bear season, and we've had complaints about bait hunters in the past," Cook said."
http://www.heraldnet.com/article/20070814/NEWS01/708140339 (http://www.heraldnet.com/article/20070814/NEWS01/708140339)
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on July 28, 2014, 07:44:22 AM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on July 28, 2014, 07:56:20 AM
:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: I really do not understand why people just do not get off the beaten path ...you may have something here RadSav :dunno: :tup:I know! Twinkie's have been a disappointment lately. Now if I could just find me a six pack of JOLT to make up for it. :rolleyes:
:chuckle:
Reading this thread has me thinking this bear baiting thing might be big business. And as a businessman it's got me thinking how I can benefit from this. Do you think the WDFW would get upset if I had the M&M folks make me some that look like elk and deer turds so I could sell them to those wanting to bait incognito? How many gamies and phone ringers are going to bend over and taste it just to make sure it's not one of RadSav's Baiting Turds! I'd be so rich I could afford a whole carton of miniature Twinkies and call myself an Entrée-Manure :IBCOOL:
Guess I should be careful or I might never draw a special permit or a multi-season deer tag...oh wait... :chuckle:
Post by: raydog on July 28, 2014, 08:12:20 AM
How many would feel the same way if they stumbled upon a wolf bait? :chuckle:
I would say that is absolutely without a doubt coyote bait! :tup:
Post by: Bob33 on July 28, 2014, 08:13:04 AM
It depends on the officer but I've known it to happen (points being awarded for turning in a bear baiter.)Now if I got OIL tag preference points for reporting them... :chuckle:Bonus points are given only for deer and elk. Turning in someone who is baiting bear illegally would qualify.
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/wac/default.aspx?cite=232-28-291 (http://apps.leg.wa.gov/wac/default.aspx?cite=232-28-291)
6. Citizen reward for reporting violations - bonus points: A person who provides information which contributes substantially to the arrest of another person for illegally hunting or killing big game or an endangered species as defined by Title 77 RCW is eligible to receive ten bonus points toward the special hunting permit drawing for one application category of deer or elk special hunting season permits.
Is reporting a bait site really contributing substantially to the arrest of another person for illegally hunting or killing big game? I seriously doubt it is. If it is, maybe I will report the next one I come across during elk season :dunno:
Post by: RadSav on July 28, 2014, 08:51:58 AM
It depends on the officer but I've known it to happen (points being awarded for turning in a bear baiter.)Now if I got OIL tag preference points for reporting them... :chuckle:Bonus points are given only for deer and elk. Turning in someone who is baiting bear illegally would qualify.
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/wac/default.aspx?cite=232-28-291 (http://apps.leg.wa.gov/wac/default.aspx?cite=232-28-291)
6. Citizen reward for reporting violations - bonus points: A person who provides information which contributes substantially to the arrest of another person for illegally hunting or killing big game or an endangered species as defined by Title 77 RCW is eligible to receive ten bonus points toward the special hunting permit drawing for one application category of deer or elk special hunting season permits.
Is reporting a bait site really contributing substantially to the arrest of another person for illegally hunting or killing big game? I seriously doubt it is. If it is, maybe I will report the next one I come across during elk season :dunno:
I think that "er" makes all the difference. Report a bait -vs- turn in a bear baiter. I can understand the later.
Post by: Buckhunter82 on July 28, 2014, 05:26:53 PM
Post by: Bob33 on July 28, 2014, 06:27:08 PM
I thought it was legal to bait bear as long as you aren't hunting over it. Am I missing something?You may wish to read through this thread.
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php?topic=52633.0 (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php?topic=52633.0)
And then, read this: http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=77.15.792 (http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=77.15.792)
RCW 77.15.792
Intentionally feeding or attempting to feed large wild carnivores or intentionally attracting large wild carnivores to land or a building — Penalty.
(1) A person may not intentionally feed or attempt to feed large wild carnivores or intentionally attract large wild carnivores to land or a building.
(2) A person who intentionally feeds, attempts to feed, or attracts large wild carnivores to land or a building is guilty of a misdemeanor.
(3) A person who is issued an infraction under RCW 77.15.790 for negligently feeding, attempting to feed, or attracting large wild carnivores to land or a building, and who fails to contain, move, or remove the food, food waste, or other substance within twenty-four hours of being issued the infraction, is guilty of a misdemeanor.
Post by: KFhunter on July 28, 2014, 06:32:24 PM
end the damage permits and if the timber companies want bears gone allow hunters on the property.
Same for farmers and Elk for that matter
Post by: Bob33 on July 28, 2014, 06:54:36 PM
end the damage permits and if the timber companies want bears gone allow hunters on the property.Some do, and charge you hundreds of dollars for the privilege. :bash:
Post by: Curly on July 28, 2014, 07:09:08 PM
Baiting is unnecessary, wasteful, and lazy in my opinion. Proper scouting and responsible hunting is the only way to go. Good on you for reporting it!I don't think baiting is wasteful or lazy. Baiters go to a lot of work to get bears to come in. They have to pack in all that stuff regularly; I've never baited but I am certain baiters are not lazy. It looks like an awful lot of work. And what part of baiting is wasteful?
Now, it may be unnecessary, but what does it hurt, except that it is illegal?
With all that said, I could go either way on reporting a bait site. I don't like some people just disregarding certain laws even though they are stupid laws.
Post by: KFhunter on July 28, 2014, 07:12:32 PM
Baiting is unnecessary, wasteful, and lazy in my opinion. Proper scouting and responsible hunting is the only way to go. Good on you for reporting it!I don't think baiting is wasteful or lazy. Baiters go to a lot of work to get bears to come in. They have to pack in all that stuff regularly; I've never baited but I am certain baiters are not lazy. It looks like an awful lot of work. And what part of baiting is wasteful?
Now, it may be unnecessary, but what does it hurt, except that it is illegal?
With all that said, I could go either way on reporting a bait site. I don't like some people just disregarding certain laws even though they are stupid laws.
What's lazy is sitting on a berry patch waiting for a bear to walk in.
Utilizing mother natures bounty as natural bait, now THAT'S lazy!
Post by: KFhunter on July 28, 2014, 07:15:52 PM
Baiting is unnecessary, wasteful, and lazy in my opinion. Proper scouting and responsible hunting is the only way to go. Good on you for reporting it!I don't think baiting is wasteful or lazy. Baiters go to a lot of work to get bears to come in. They have to pack in all that stuff regularly; I've never baited but I am certain baiters are not lazy. It looks like an awful lot of work. And what part of baiting is wasteful?
Now, it may be unnecessary, but what does it hurt, except that it is illegal?
With all that said, I could go either way on reporting a bait site. I don't like some people just disregarding certain laws even though they are stupid laws.
fatten them bears up like a prime steer.
Shame to bait bear with garbage, use good feed and you can change the way a bear tastes.
Even them nasty coastal cabbage weed fish bears, you bait them with good feed for a few months and you'd never know they ever ate a rotten fish.
Post by: ICEMAN on July 28, 2014, 07:17:18 PM
Baiting is unnecessary, wasteful, and lazy in my opinion. Proper scouting and responsible hunting is the only way to go. Good on you for reporting it!I don't think baiting is wasteful or lazy. Baiters go to a lot of work to get bears to come in. They have to pack in all that stuff regularly; I've never baited but I am certain baiters are not lazy. It looks like an awful lot of work. And what part of baiting is wasteful?
Now, it may be unnecessary, but what does it hurt, except that it is illegal?
With all that said, I could go either way on reporting a bait site. I don't like some people just disregarding certain laws even though they are stupid laws.
What's lazy is sitting on a berry patch waiting for a bear to walk in.
Utilizing mother natures bounty as natural bait, now THAT'S lazy!
Lots of hunting could be categorized as lazy work....sitting and glassing, taking an afternoon drive, sitting in a tree stand... Who cares!
If guys are so excited to allow some knucklehead to abandon normal legal hunting practices and bait in bears, can they also shoot after dark? I mean, what is the difference? A little spotlight to help make sure of a "safe" game ID and shot placement, I mean, what's the big deal?
Post by: steeleywhopper on July 28, 2014, 07:22:22 PM
Post by: ICEMAN on July 28, 2014, 07:23:56 PM
Post by: steeleywhopper on July 28, 2014, 07:58:53 PM
Post by: elk247 on July 28, 2014, 08:04:25 PM
Post by: grousefether on July 28, 2014, 08:32:15 PM
Post by: jasnt on July 28, 2014, 09:05:46 PM
Boy of I didn't know better I'd say it sounds like a few Guys on This thread may have piles out in the woods. Turn them in, get your points. Just because you don't agree with law doesn't make the practice of breaking it anymore legal.hell by your own post these guys screwed up your bear spot. Is that fair to you ? I know a couple wardens that are very interested in busting bait sites.agree :yeah:
I agree as well. There are lots of laws I dont like or agree with. But I still follow them,often with a frown lol but the law is the law. im am not willing to risk my hunting rights, no trophy is worth that!
Post by: emac on July 28, 2014, 09:24:21 PM
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Post by: MountainWalk on July 28, 2014, 09:39:20 PM
Post by: grousefether on July 28, 2014, 09:50:55 PM
I report it as well. Baiting is work and took time and effort to set up. Doubt they were just looking for their two bears to tag, more than likely going to kill every bear that came to the bait. Gall bladders still sell too, I view it the same as others, the baiting law probably won't be the only law they will be breaking.
Thats a strech
Post by: ICEMAN on July 28, 2014, 09:55:20 PM
Post by: MountainWalk on July 28, 2014, 09:58:01 PM
Post by: Mike450r on July 28, 2014, 10:01:51 PM
I report it as well. Baiting is work and took time and effort to set up. Doubt they were just looking for their two bears to tag, more than likely going to kill every bear that came to the bait. Gall bladders still sell too, I view it the same as others, the baiting law probably won't be the only law they will be breaking.
Thats a strech
So you think they are breaking the law simply because they disagree with it? That would be the stretch in my opinion. I lean more towards a person willing to set up a chained barrel bait being the same type of person that's going to violate a few other game and fish laws as well.
Post by: grousefether on July 28, 2014, 10:02:31 PM
Yeah, im not buyin it
Post by: MountainWalk on July 28, 2014, 10:04:55 PM
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Post by: huntnnw on July 28, 2014, 10:20:56 PM
Post by: Bango skank on July 28, 2014, 10:36:52 PM
People who dont live in NE WA have no clue how out of control bears are! when you have 30 cams out on salt and each cam has 7-10 different bears a cam you have an issue! I have seen over 20 bears this year and Im not even looking for them! Then WDFW gives out 15 tags or so in the units up here for spring bear give me a f^$%#% break! it should be over the counter!!!!! Gov't scam for money. There are serious issues when looking for deer in some units and you see more bears than deer in a week! :bash: I have cams where I have yet to see a buck in what should be a great deer areas.
I ran into 8 up here this weekend while scouting for elk. Not out of the ordinary! Almost stepped on one in a service berry patch I was hiking through. We would have 10x the number of deer, elk and moose up here if we could just run hounds and bait again. But since that will never happen, OTC spring bear, an Aug 1st opening like the west side heathens have, and a 2 bear limit would do wonders. I have seen on the WDFW page that the NE bear management zone has the greatest number of bears, and the highest density. So why is it that we can not take 2 bears here, and our season has to start a month later, after all the berries are dried up? I also run nothing but salt on my cameras and I've still had over 30 bears on cam this year. Only rarely do the bears on cam even seem to look at the salt. That is just how many there are that they will be passing through any set up you have, despite a lack of goodies.
Post by: Buckhunter82 on July 28, 2014, 11:45:14 PM
(1) A person may not intentionally feed or attempt to feed large wild carnivores or intentionally attract large wild carnivores to land or a building.
(2) A person who intentionally feeds, attempts to feed, or attracts large wild carnivores to land or a building is guilty of a misdemeanor.
(3) A person who is issued an infraction under RCW 77.15.790 for negligently feeding, attempting to feed, or attracting large wild carnivores to land or a building, and who fails to contain, move, or remove the food, food waste, or other substance within twenty-four hours of being issued the infraction, is guilty of a misdemeanor.
I wasn't even aware of this new law.(2012) I did use to bait bear for trail cameras but that was before this law and I never hunted them. I haven't baited them in years because I don't like them around my cameras. Now that I know its illegal I wouldn't do it anyways or maybe I would just say that they are actually omnivores and eat mostly plant material. The law should state which animals fall under large carnivores. All of you WDFW boy scouts that think the guys that are baiting are doing it for black market trade and are probably breaking tons of other laws, and killing dozens of bears have quite the imagination.
Post by: mountainman on July 29, 2014, 02:59:08 AM
Post by: KFhunter on July 29, 2014, 04:10:56 PM
Baiting is unnecessary, wasteful, and lazy in my opinion. Proper scouting and responsible hunting is the only way to go. Good on you for reporting it!I don't think baiting is wasteful or lazy. Baiters go to a lot of work to get bears to come in. They have to pack in all that stuff regularly; I've never baited but I am certain baiters are not lazy. It looks like an awful lot of work. And what part of baiting is wasteful?
Now, it may be unnecessary, but what does it hurt, except that it is illegal?
With all that said, I could go either way on reporting a bait site. I don't like some people just disregarding certain laws even though they are stupid laws.
What's lazy is sitting on a berry patch waiting for a bear to walk in.
Utilizing mother natures bounty as natural bait, now THAT'S lazy!
Lots of hunting could be categorized as lazy work....sitting and glassing, taking an afternoon drive, sitting in a tree stand... Who cares!
If guys are so excited to allow some knucklehead to abandon normal legal hunting practices and bait in bears, can they also shoot after dark? I mean, what is the difference? A little spotlight to help make sure of a "safe" game ID and shot placement, I mean, what's the big deal?
I should have put the little sarcasm emoticon there....hrm where is it anyways?
:chuckle:
Post by: Biggerhammer on July 29, 2014, 09:15:45 PM
:chuckle:
Post by: hooker on July 29, 2014, 09:24:26 PM
Bear baiting does not bother me, it should be legal! Anti's got that law passed not hunters. I wouldn't call anyone.
I agree 100%
I'd set up and kill one. Too many predators and no one in the department cares. Hope they don't catch the guy. Just being honest.
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on July 30, 2014, 09:38:27 AM
Boy of I didn't know better I'd say it sounds like a few Guys on This thread may have piles out in the woods. Turn them in, get your points. Just because you don't agree with law doesn't make the practice of breaking it anymore legal.hell by your own post these guys screwed up your bear spot. Is that fair to you ? I know a couple wardens that are very interested in busting bait sites.
TFF , I wouldn't waste the time and energy packing grub for a stinky bear, matter of fact, I like the way most of the Clearwater Idaho boys treat em, center punch em and find another, kinda like they used to do here in the 60's 70's and 80's... Flame on!!
Post by: mountainman on July 30, 2014, 11:36:51 AM
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on July 30, 2014, 11:46:46 AM
Post by: Biggerhammer on July 30, 2014, 11:55:28 AM
Post by: mountainman on July 30, 2014, 11:59:32 AM
Post by: Biggerhammer on July 30, 2014, 12:04:00 PM
Post by: h20hunter on July 30, 2014, 12:19:17 PM
Post by: jackmaster on July 30, 2014, 12:28:25 PM
While I hate guys who leave trash in the woods I have a hard time reporting bear baits. It was not a WDFW decision to eliminate baiting. And the bait hunting was actually doing a lot of good for the timber, deer and elk. It was uninformed voters who really had no business getting involved in wildlife management that made that decision. So while I personally would never take the risk and believe we are all better off if we obey the rules of the land I usually just ignore them when I see 'em. And since the WDFW officers I've talked with seem to be completely uninterested when I've reported illegally shot elk why would they give much of a dang about a bear bait. :dunno:
Now if I got OIL tag preference points for reporting them... :chuckle:
Post by: Bob33 on July 30, 2014, 12:33:53 PM
I fully understand that baiting bear with any food stuff is illegal. Is it also illegal to use attractants such as honey burns, or creating a scent based attractant? No food on the ground tells me there is no baiting, but you never know.The RCW defines it very clearly.
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=77.15.245 (http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=77.15.245)
"As used in this subsection, "bait" means a substance placed, exposed, deposited, distributed, scattered, or otherwise used for the purpose of attracting black bears to an area where one or more persons hunt or intend to hunt them."
Post by: KFhunter on July 30, 2014, 01:01:56 PM
The spring draw is a joke - need to OTC spring tags for starters.
Also need to start the NE season earlier, irritates me they start it after the berries are dried and gone. Then in October everyone wants to sit under an apple tree.
Post by: elk247 on July 30, 2014, 01:13:26 PM
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on July 30, 2014, 04:19:21 PM
Ya cause Idaho loses soooo many hunting seasons....
They would if Seattle voters had anything to say about it.... :chuckle:
Post by: mountainman on July 30, 2014, 04:46:12 PM
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exactly!!!!Ya cause Idaho loses soooo many hunting seasons....
They would if Seattle voters had anything to say about it.... :chuckle:
Post by: Biggerhammer on July 31, 2014, 09:46:58 AM
Ya cause Idaho loses soooo many hunting seasons....
They would if Seattle voters had anything to say about it.... :chuckle:
But they don't.😉
Post by: rickomatic on August 01, 2014, 12:19:24 PM
Yes. Anything and everything that is scent based whether it be natural or man made. No whiks, sprays, blocks, incense, nothing.
Unless it's a beehive. I had the head of the Mill Creek WDFW division tell me that shooting a bear over a beehive is not considered baiting, so long as all seasons and time restrictions are obeyed. She said it's "the only legal" way to "bait" bears. I think I'd get it writing first though...... :rolleyes:
Post by: jdb on August 01, 2014, 12:39:25 PM
Boy of I didn't know better I'd say it sounds like a few Guys on This thread may have piles out in the woods. Turn them in, get your points. Just because you don't agree with law doesn't make the practice of breaking it anymore legal.hell by your own post these guys screwed up your bear spot. Is that fair to you ? I know a couple wardens that are very interested in busting bait sites.id never admit to knowing a game warden, let alone multiple
Post by: mountainman on August 04, 2014, 11:49:06 AM
Post by: westsidehntr on August 04, 2014, 12:19:21 PM
Post by: mountainman on August 04, 2014, 12:46:02 PM
Post by: westsidehntr on August 04, 2014, 12:50:35 PM
Apples to oranges..Why?
Post by: ICEMAN on August 05, 2014, 08:37:37 PM
Apples to oranges..Why?
You do not see the difference? Your examples are traffic infractions that will get you a simple fine to pay. The other is a criminal offense and can get the the offender a criminal record. These are the apples and oranges you are confusing.
Post by: Biggerhammer on August 05, 2014, 09:30:17 PM
Post by: mountainman on August 05, 2014, 10:23:51 PM
Apples to oranges..Why?
You do not see the difference? Your examples are traffic infractions that will get you a simple fine to pay. The other is a criminal offense and can get the the offender a criminal record. These are the apples and oranges you are confusing.
AND an unfair advantage to those hunters staying within the law. Seen too much abuse even when hounds and bait were legal. Poachers will be poachers, no matter how strict or how lenient our game laws are I guess..
Post by: pcal on August 05, 2014, 10:48:58 PM
Post by: mountainman on August 05, 2014, 10:55:17 PM
We should just let karma take care of what we know others are doing that doesn't impact us personally. I know everyone ,and that includes me, that has done things that they know wasn't exactly in the letter of the law. I regret my actions of my youth in these matters but through maturing and reading of our hunting hero's of past years, such as T.R. who slaughtered all manner of game without any limits or game laws, that I became a totally law abiding sportsman.I know that in other states many of our banned methods of hunting here are allowed but I will not break those laws because it IS OUR LAW'S. and that is the contract that I signed when I paid for that hunting license. Our country has many laws that we find incomprehensible but if I were to go down the path of lawlessness it will have to be over some law that restricts a more basic human right than the right of how we lure an animal to be taken for sport or food.http://hunting-washington.com/smf/Smileys/default/twocents.gif (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/Smileys/default/twocents.gif)
Well said!
Post by: Mudman on August 05, 2014, 11:04:16 PM
We should just let karma take care of what we know others are doing that doesn't impact us personally. I know everyone ,and that includes me, that has done things that they know wasn't exactly in the letter of the law. I regret my actions of my youth in these matters but through maturing and reading of our hunting hero's of past years, such as T.R. who slaughtered all manner of game without any limits or game laws, that I became a totally law abiding sportsman.I know that in other states many of our banned methods of hunting here are allowed but I will not break those laws because it IS OUR LAW'S. and that is the contract that I signed when I paid for that hunting license. Our country has many laws that we find incomprehensible but if I were to go down the path of lawlessness it will have to be over some law that restricts a more basic human right than the right of how we lure an animal to be taken for sport or food.http://hunting-washington.com/smf/Smileys/default/twocents.gif (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/Smileys/default/twocents.gif)Well said. I like to worry about myself and not others business. I dont hunt for points or to police the world. I dont call 911 when I see some dude on side of road taking a leak either. Karma I believe in. Unless I see something serious I keep to myself mostly. :twocents:
Post by: westsidehntr on August 06, 2014, 07:17:47 AM
We should just let karma take care of what we know others are doing that doesn't impact us personally. I know everyone ,and that includes me, that has done things that they know wasn't exactly in the letter of the law. I regret my actions of my youth in these matters but through maturing and reading of our hunting hero's of past years, such as T.R. who slaughtered all manner of game without any limits or game laws, that I became a totally law abiding sportsman.I know that in other states many of our banned methods of hunting here are allowed but I will not break those laws because it IS OUR LAW'S. and that is the contract that I signed when I paid for that hunting license. Our country has many laws that we find incomprehensible but if I were to go down the path of lawlessness it will have to be over some law that restricts a more basic human right than the right of how we lure an animal to be taken for sport or food.http://hunting-washington.com/smf/Smileys/default/twocents.gif (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/Smileys/default/twocents.gif):yeah:He can put it into words much better than me!
Post by: mountainman on August 06, 2014, 04:22:07 PM
But the fact remains, if you bait illegally, you are taking away AND taking advantage from those who hunt legally and ethically for bears. Rationalizing what YOU feel should be right, and breaking the laws to fit your views, wether you bait illegally or just condone it, hurts the rest of us. Back in the 80's, I held several meetings with members of the the game department and members of the state hound association to help mend the problems between hound and bait hunters...I worked closely with the department to battle poaching for the sake of the gall sales..people were prosecuted for it..yes, I take illegal advantage seriously! That's my view on it, some out there may not agree...Do I agree with the ban? Absolutely not, but the law is what it is..many laws out there I don't agree with, but I still obey them, and fight to change them. Do you?
Post by: Biggerhammer on August 06, 2014, 05:12:43 PM
Post by: KFhunter on August 06, 2014, 06:42:45 PM
Problem with this thread, is many will laugh about what is legal or not..
But the fact remains, if you bait illegally, you are taking away AND taking advantage from those who hunt legally and ethically for bears. Rationalizing what YOU feel should be right, and breaking the laws to fit your views, wether you bait illegally or just condone it, hurts the rest of us. Back in the 80's, I held several meetings with members of the the game department and members of the state hound association to help mend the problems between hound and bait hunters...I worked closely with the department to battle poaching for the sake of the gall sales..people were prosecuted for it..yes, I take illegal advantage seriously! That's my ethical view on it, some out there may not agree...Do I agree with the ban? Absolutely not, but the law is what it is..many laws out there I don't agree with, but I still obey them, and fight to change them. Do you?
Please, rant on...
Everything you say about legality is true, and stands on it's own just fine.
I don't agree with the ethics though as it's far easier to not shoot that sow with cubs in tow if you're in a tree watching them at a bait station.
So how much does legality play a role in ethics?
It really chaps my rear that timber companies can slaughter bear by the 1000's off bait using hired exterminators.
I just can't buy into any anti-baiting arguments other than it's illegal and that's that.
Post by: grundy53 on August 06, 2014, 07:13:18 PM
:yeah: I'm not sure if this is an ethics issue per se since baiting is legal in many places and is viewed as an ethical form of hunting. I view this strictly as a legal issue.Problem with this thread, is many will laugh about what is legal or not..
But the fact remains, if you bait illegally, you are taking away AND taking advantage from those who hunt legally and ethically for bears. Rationalizing what YOU feel should be right, and breaking the laws to fit your views, wether you bait illegally or just condone it, hurts the rest of us. Back in the 80's, I held several meetings with members of the the game department and members of the state hound association to help mend the problems between hound and bait hunters...I worked closely with the department to battle poaching for the sake of the gall sales..people were prosecuted for it..yes, I take illegal advantage seriously! That's my ethical view on it, some out there may not agree...Do I agree with the ban? Absolutely not, but the law is what it is..many laws out there I don't agree with, but I still obey them, and fight to change them. Do you?
Please, rant on...
Everything you say about legality is true, and stands on it's own just fine.
I don't agree with the ethics though as it's far easier to not shoot that sow with cubs in tow if you're in a tree watching them at a bait station.
So how much does legality play a role in ethics?
It really chaps my rear that timber companies can slaughter bear by the 1000's off bait using hired exterminators.
I just can't buy into any anti-baiting arguments other than it's illegal and that's that.
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Post by: MisplacedAlaskan on August 06, 2014, 08:22:16 PM
Post by: h2ofowlr on August 06, 2014, 08:34:10 PM
Post by: mountainman on August 06, 2014, 09:18:58 PM
The problem as hunters, we don't work together to get these bad laws overturned. The anti's use your own videos you post on Youtube or videos sold against hunters as a whole. They spin the advertisements as such, that every animal suffers by the hands of hunter. These laws that continue to restrict how we harvest animals, where we can harvest animals, keeps changing. PETA, conservation NW and other groups ultimate goal is to take hunters out of the picture to allow nature to take it's place. The wolves will replace hunters as intended. As long as all hunters continue to follow all the new rules set and amended each year. The anti's will continue to win year after year. The only ones they don't seem to go after are the NA. This might be, because they keep fighting for their rights and gaining more rights. They have continued to challenge everything with law suites. What are hunters doing as a whole other than taking to forums and complaining about it. WDFW seems more content on working to appease the antes and NA groups from my perspective in this state.
Well said..
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on August 06, 2014, 09:50:25 PM
The problem as hunters, we don't work together to get these bad laws overturned. The anti's use your own videos you post on Youtube or videos sold against hunters as a whole. They spin the advertisements as such, that every animal suffers by the hands of hunter. These laws that continue to restrict how we harvest animals, where we can harvest animals, keeps changing. PETA, conservation NW and other groups ultimate goal is to take hunters out of the picture to allow nature to take it's place. The wolves will replace hunters as intended. As long as all hunters continue to follow all the new rules set and amended each year. The anti's will continue to win year after year. The only ones they don't seem to go after are the NA. This might be, because they keep fighting for their rights and gaining more rights. They have continued to challenge everything with law suites. What are hunters doing as a whole other than taking to forums and complaining
about it. WDFW seems more content on working to appease the antes and NA groups from my perspective in this state.
Well said..
Is that your answer to everything?
Some hold bear in high regard, methinks they're the same as cohorts and should be treated as such....
Post by: mountainman on August 07, 2014, 02:09:56 PM
Post by: Biggerhammer on August 07, 2014, 05:13:55 PM
*censored*. When I start a "Anti- Soybean" campaign and they cater to me. Then I may remotely consider even entertaining a opinion from their direction. Who cares how the Anti's portray anything. If your worrying about their portrayal of hunting, well that's just time wasted and time you will never get back. Walk on egg shells in fear of their opinion if you must, I'll pass on the taking of a knee for the left.
Post by: Biggerhammer on August 07, 2014, 05:55:22 PM
But then again, their against it ALL.
Very civil replies . Not a attack at all, portray it as you please. I haven't taken offense. :dunno: then again, I don't play the victim.
Post by: gomerbull on August 19, 2014, 11:44:49 AM
Bear baiting does not bother me, it should be legal! Anti's got that law passed not hunters. I wouldn't call anyone.:tup: :yeah: