Hunting Washington Forum
Other Hunting => Waterfowl => Topic started by: REHJWA on August 07, 2014, 10:09:03 AM
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On 30 Jul 2014, the House of Representitives have resolution, HR5069, in comittee to raise the price of the Migratory Waterfowl Stamp from $15 to $25.
This is the first increase since 1990. These funds are tag directly to wetlands, and waterfowl.
Do you think this will have an inpact on hunter recruitment/retention?
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No but I don't like it either.
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Due to inflation it's the right move. I'm not a fan if increased fees but this isn't that bad. And it probably won't increase for another 24 yrs.
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I can reach into my wallet and pull out an extra $10 for that, no problem. $150 to hunt on Weyerhaeuser land over and above the cost of licenses, tags, waterfowl stamp, and pheasant card... that's another story.
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I am just not a fan of having to go through three different purchases in order to hunt waterfowl. Small game, migratory bird then your stamp. I would rather pay $50 for a stamp knowing for sure it goes to waterfowl then pay a dime to my state license knowing that it just goes to the state fund.
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I think this is long overdue. I don't like having to spend extra money anymore than the next guy, but this program does in fact make a difference for waterfowl. I do not think it will make a difference in hunter recruitment/retention. This is basically the cost of one lunch...
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An extra ten dollars to hunt a 107 day season, and the money goes directly to waterfowl conservation? I have no problems with that.
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$150 to hunt on Weyerhaeuser land over and above the cost of licenses, tags, waterfowl stamp, and pheasant card... that's another story.
That's another story, they get tax breaks for giving us access.
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I am just not a fan of having to go through three different purchases in order to hunt waterfowl. Small game, migratory bird then your stamp. I would rather pay $50 for a stamp knowing for sure it goes to waterfowl then pay a dime to my state license knowing that it just goes to the state fund.
I agree with this 100%.
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A little off topic, but something I thought I would share. Two seasons ago, left my hunting license at home and I had drove over 100 miles to hunt with some buddies. I went and bought a new license, but half asleep in a walmart at 3 a.m. I forgot to buy another federal duck stamp.
It just so happend that, the same day a game warden came and checked all of our ID, tags, birds and guns. He noticed I didnt have my stamp but could do nothing. Washington state game wardens can not write you a ticket for not having your federal stamp. He said that he would have to report it via a report to the federal f&w and then they could choose to send me a ticket in the mail, but it never happened.
Not sure if this story has much value, but hey its a story.
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I would rather it go to a local DU Chapter then to the Federal Government. They will spend it much wiser.
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Unfortunately I'm not as optimistic as many of you. Plenty of "waterfowl funds" have been copted by the salmon Restoration process. From what I've seen there is a negligible enhancement for waterfowl. While i don't think this increase by itself will affect duck hunting much, if you look at the trend of ever increasing fees certain activies will either be your ONLY form of recreation, or people will move to other forms that don't cost as much. You will find less of the OCASSIONAL waterfowler, likely just the dedicated.
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I don't have a problem with it.
"The FWS uses the fees generated from the sale of the stamps to purchase or lease wetland habitat for protection in the National Wildlife Refuge System (NWRS)."
http://answers.usa.gov/system/templates/selfservice/USAGov/# (http://answers.usa.gov/system/templates/selfservice/USAGov/#)!portal/1012/article/3700/FederalDuck-Stamp-Program
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A little off topic, but something I thought I would share. Two seasons ago, left my hunting license at home and I had drove over 100 miles to hunt with some buddies. I went and bought a new license, but half asleep in a walmart at 3 a.m. I forgot to buy another federal duck stamp.
It just so happend that, the same day a game warden came and checked all of our ID, tags, birds and guns. He noticed I didnt have my stamp but could do nothing. Washington state game wardens can not write you a ticket for not having your federal stamp. He said that he would have to report it via a report to the federal f&w and then they could choose to send me a ticket in the mail, but it never happened.
Not sure if this story has much value, but hey its a story.
True. Had a problem one year. I carry a WA, OR, ID, and UT license. One day I left my WA at home, it had the fed stamp. I was hunting OR and got the same speach. Never heard from Feds. I just buy 4 or 5 stamps now.
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I would rather it go to a local DU Chapter then to the Federal Government. They will spend it much wiser.
I disagree. DU will never receive another dollar from me directly. The bird stamp money is one of the few things the Feds does well.
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I really do not mind the increase in the Fed stamp but what urks me is that stupid 3rd stamp(or 2nd state stamp)that WA forces on us if you want to shoot certain divers, snow geese or geese in areas 2 or 2A. Now that's a rip off, period.
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I really do not mind the increase in the Fed stamp but what urks me is that stupid 3rd stamp(or 2nd state stamp)that WA forces on us if you want to shoot certain divers, snow geese or geese in areas 2 or 2A. Now that's a rip off, period.
Those all take extra management/tracking its going to cost more. I have all the endorsements you mention plus sea ducks in Oregon. The only thing I hate is all the paper it adds to my wallet.
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I really do not mind the increase in the Fed stamp but what urks me is that stupid 3rd stamp(or 2nd state stamp)that WA forces on us if you want to shoot certain divers, snow geese or geese in areas 2 or 2A. Now that's a rip off, period.
Those all take extra management/tracking its going to cost more. I have all the endorsements you mention plus sea ducks in Oregon. The only thing I hate is all the paper it adds to my wallet.
I hate the paper that it takes from mine... :chuckle:
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I really do not mind the increase in the Fed stamp but what urks me is that stupid 3rd stamp(or 2nd state stamp)that WA forces on us if you want to shoot certain divers, snow geese or geese in areas 2 or 2A. Now that's a rip off, period.
Those all take extra management/tracking its going to cost more. I have all the endorsements you mention plus sea ducks in Oregon. The only thing I hate is all the paper it adds to my wallet.
I have no problems with the increase at all... cant say that about other hikes. I'd like less paper as well.. by end of year my licenses are as tall as I am.
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I think this is long overdue. I don't like having to spend extra money anymore than the next guy, but this program does in fact make a difference for waterfowl. I do not think it will make a difference in hunter recruitment/retention. This is basically the cost of one lunch...
:yeah:
Or one decoy.... ;)
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one thing I've never understood about the fed stamp... is that most ducks come from canada... yet the duck stamp money stays here in the states....?
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one thing I've never understood about the fed stamp... is that most ducks come from canada... yet the duck stamp money stays here in the states....?
Most of our ducks might come from Canada, but not likely the case for the south central states where many (most?) come from the prairie potholes of the US. :twocents: We also shot a hen mallard one year on the Snohomish that had been tagged as a youngster in northern CA earlier that year.
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one thing I've never understood about the fed stamp... is that most ducks come from canada... yet the duck stamp money stays here in the states....?
included as amendments to the act are treaties with Canada, Mexico, Japan, and Russia which coordinate conservation efforts that focus on species travelling between those countries and the US. Some migratory stamp money may be going into Canada to improve habitat for species which winter in the US, for example. I was unable to find specific verbiage regarding specific amounts of money, but it would make sense that we're doing it. Here are some links you might find useful. The first is the actual Migratory Bird Treaty Act of 1918 with amendments and addendums. The second is a USFWS page on the treaty act along with related regulations, actions, and an executive order put in place by Bill Clinton 10 days before the end of his Presidency. Note on the left side of this page links which take you to different pages regarding the act.
http://www.fws.gov/laws/lawsdigest/migtrea.html (http://www.fws.gov/laws/lawsdigest/migtrea.html)
http://www.fws.gov/migratorybirds/PartnershipsAndIniatives.html (http://www.fws.gov/migratorybirds/PartnershipsAndIniatives.html)
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one thing I've never understood about the fed stamp... is that most ducks come from canada... yet the duck stamp money stays here in the states....?
Most of our ducks might come from Canada, but not likely the case for the south central states where many (most?) come from the prairie potholes of the US. :twocents: We also shot a hen mallard one year on the Snohomish that had been tagged as a youngster in northern CA earlier that year.
A cali bird? pretty cool.
yeah every band we've ever had was was typically from wa state or canada
Brother shot an old bird that was banded in monitoba like 12 years before
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one thing I've never understood about the fed stamp... is that most ducks come from canada... yet the duck stamp money stays here in the states....?
Most of our ducks might come from Canada, but not likely the case for the south central states where many (most?) come from the prairie potholes of the US. :twocents: We also shot a hen mallard one year on the Snohomish that had been tagged as a youngster in northern CA earlier that year.
A cali bird? pretty cool.
yeah every band we've ever had was was typically from wa state or canada
Brother shot an old bird that was banded in monitoba like 12 years before
Yeah, she was confused... I think I did the gene pool a favor on that one. :chuckle:
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A little off topic, but something I thought I would share. Two seasons ago, left my hunting license at home and I had drove over 100 miles to hunt with some buddies. I went and bought a new license, but half asleep in a walmart at 3 a.m. I forgot to buy another federal duck stamp.
It just so happend that, the same day a game warden came and checked all of our ID, tags, birds and guns. He noticed I didnt have my stamp but could do nothing. Washington state game wardens can not write you a ticket for not having your federal stamp. He said that he would have to report it via a report to the federal f&w and then they could choose to send me a ticket in the mail, but it never happened.
Many states have essentially adopted the federal regulation requiring the federal duck stamp into their own state law so they could write a state ticket for not having the federal stamp. But as you learned, WA has not adopted such a law.
Now WDFW Officers are cross-commissioned with USFWS and are in a way acting as federal USFWS Officers when enforcing migratory waterfowl laws. Now legally USFWS could give WDFW a federal ticketbook and tell them to go ahead and write the federal citation for not having the duck stamp, however USFWS hasn't done it. In comparison the Natl Marine Fisheries Service/NOAA gave WDFW federal citation books about 10 years ago and WDFW did write some NMFS/NOAA tickets, but NMFS/NOAA stopped that practice "temporarily."
So for those that say WDFW is looking to write any and as many tickets as possible, I think this is an example that they may not be. Because I think it would be extremely easy for WDFW to ask the legislature, and for them to approve the adoption of the federal duck stamp requirement. Doing so would allow WDFW to actually write state tickets for the offense. :twocents:
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one thing I've never understood about the fed stamp... is that most ducks come from canada... yet the duck stamp money stays here in the states....?
Many ducks coming from Alaska as well, but with the migration covering 3 different countries and 50 different US states there needs to be management done on the federal level. Otherwise those boys down south would up the limit to 20 ducks a day and kill em all! :chuckle:
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Do you mean the ability to shoot 20 a day with lead like they can in Mexico?
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awesome more money to fork out! :bash:
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Well technically you are buying a piece of art. Small but. :chuckle:
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Do you mean the ability to shoot 20 a day with lead like they can in Mexico?
It's all based on harvest. Canada can shoot 8 ducks and 8 dark geese and across an imaginary line it's 6 and. 3 or 4. Look up total harvest for Mexico, it's tiny. I bet CA shoots more the all of Mexico.
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Look at the price of duck in the store. Won't take to many ducks to pay for your stamps. + they are fun to hunt. :tup:
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one thing I've never understood about the fed stamp... is that most ducks come from canada... yet the duck stamp money stays here in the states....?
You need to do some studies on our Refuges. McNary National Wildlife Refuge is a good place for you to start. Don't matter where the ducks come from they need habitat to survive so they can get back up north for the breeding seasons. Sorry I sound pissed but I am when people ask very stupid questions like this. Also, not all about waterfowl because our refuges provide to all wildlife that have no seasons such as eagles and pelicans as a very small example. Hunters are about the only source outside the tax payer to provide funds for these refuges. Anti's talk but don't provide the extra funds to only call hunters the killers.
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one thing I've never understood about the fed stamp... is that most ducks come from canada... yet the duck stamp money stays here in the states....?
You need to do some studies on our Refuges. McNary National Wildlife Refuge is a good place for you to start. Don't matter where the ducks come from they need habitat to survive so they can get back up north for the breeding seasons. Sorry I sound pissed but I am when people ask very stupid questions like this. Also, not all about waterfowl because our refuges provide to all wildlife that have no seasons such as eagles and pelicans as a very small example. Hunters are about the only source outside the tax payer to provide funds for these refuges. Anti's talk but don't provide the extra funds to only call hunters the killers.
You know you could have answered this question without busting the guys balls. :bdid:
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I posted the poll because now that my kids are off to college I am looking into taking my nephews out and an addition $25 a piece to take them out a limited number of times has me thinking how this could impact overall recruitment. :dunno:
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I posted the poll because now that my kids are off to college I am looking into taking my nephews out and an addition $25 a piece to take them out a limited number of times has me thinking how this could impact overall recruitment. :dunno:
It's an additional $10 each. Maybe you can get some work out of them for it.
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Yes, it'll help them appreciate it a little more too... ;)
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I don;t mind the fees, i think in some ways it might keep the sky busting duck dynasty fans out (i do like DD but i hunted before they came out on TV and all i am from louisiana). Some times on public land you get people just blowing calls and shooting at anything no matter how high it is.
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one thing I've never understood about the fed stamp... is that most ducks come from canada... yet the duck stamp money stays here in the states....?
You need to do some studies on our Refuges. McNary National Wildlife Refuge is a good place for you to start. Don't matter where the ducks come from they need habitat to survive so they can get back up north for the breeding seasons. Sorry I sound pissed but I am when people ask very stupid questions like this. Also, not all about waterfowl because our refuges provide to all wildlife that have no seasons such as eagles and pelicans as a very small example. Hunters are about the only source outside the tax payer to provide funds for these refuges. Anti's talk but don't provide the extra funds to only call hunters the killers.
You know you could have answered this question without busting the guys balls. :bdid:
C'mon man, the question was not a question. It was an insult because the person thinks we are stupid for spending money on stamps because the person believes ducks are Canada's problem only. If I wasn't going to bust their balls for that, I would rather go talk to the fence post instead of someone that is dumb as a fence post.
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What's ten dollars? more for less :dunno: Hopefully not
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I stole this from the feds site.
What are Duck Stamps?
Federal Migratory Bird Hunting and Conservation Stamps, commonly known as “Duck Stamps,” are pictorial stamps produced by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service. They are not valid for postage. Originally created in 1934 as federal licenses required for hunting migratory waterfowl, Federal Duck Stamps have a much larger purpose today.
First Federal Duck Stamp.
Design by J.N. "Ding" Darling
USFWS/William Schmidt
The Second Federal Duck Stamp Contest (1951)
Federal Duck Stamps are vital tools for wetland conservation. Ninety-eight cents out of every dollar generated by the sale of Federal Duck Stamps goes directly to purchase or lease wetland habitat for protection in the National Wildlife Refuge System. Understandably, the Federal Duck Stamp has been called one of the most successful conservation programs ever initiated and is a highly effective way to conserve America’s natural resources.
I guess that says it all and there is less reason to complain.
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one thing I've never understood about the fed stamp... is that most ducks come from canada... yet the duck stamp money stays here in the states....?
You need to do some studies on our Refuges. McNary National Wildlife Refuge is a good place for you to start. Don't matter where the ducks come from they need habitat to survive so they can get back up north for the breeding seasons. Sorry I sound pissed but I am when people ask very stupid questions like this. Also, not all about waterfowl because our refuges provide to all wildlife that have no seasons such as eagles and pelicans as a very small example. Hunters are about the only source outside the tax payer to provide funds for these refuges. Anti's talk but don't provide the extra funds to only call hunters the killers.
You know you could have answered this question without busting the guys balls. :bdid:
C'mon man, the question was not a question. It was an insult because the person thinks we are stupid for spending money on stamps because the person believes ducks are Canada's problem only. If I wasn't going to bust their balls for that, I would rather go talk to the fence post instead of someone that is dumb as a fence post.
Pot's legal, hdshot. Go get some. Mellow out. We're all hunters here. There are no stupid hunters. Just some who need more information.
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I posted the poll because now that my kids are off to college I am looking into taking my nephews out and an addition $25 a piece to take them out a limited number of times has me thinking how this could impact overall recruitment. :dunno:
Looking at last years regs youth under 16 don't need a stamp plus many other discounts on other license fees.
About recruitment stamp sales have gone way down anyways and IMO blame is on lower success rates with higher gas prices.
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one thing I've never understood about the fed stamp... is that most ducks come from canada... yet the duck stamp money stays here in the states....?
You need to do some studies on our Refuges. McNary National Wildlife Refuge is a good place for you to start. Don't matter where the ducks come from they need habitat to survive so they can get back up north for the breeding seasons. Sorry I sound pissed but I am when people ask very stupid questions like this. Also, not all about waterfowl because our refuges provide to all wildlife that have no seasons such as eagles and pelicans as a very small example. Hunters are about the only source outside the tax payer to provide funds for these refuges. Anti's talk but don't provide the extra funds to only call hunters the killers.
You know you could have answered this question without busting the guys balls. :bdid:
C'mon man, the question was not a question. It was an insult because the person thinks we are stupid for spending money on stamps because the person believes ducks are Canada's problem only. If I wasn't going to bust their balls for that, I would rather go talk to the fence post instead of someone that is dumb as a fence post.
Pot's legal, hdshot. Go get some. Mellow out. We're all hunters here. There are no stupid hunters. Just some who need more information.
No pot is not legal and I am subject to random per federal laws on my job. Back to the subject, the info is out there but some choose to make their own conclusions even in questions which is just stupid. I'm sure someone asked why did you get that and never understood why anyone would buy that?
That was how the question was presented because the conclusion was they didn't understand why we spend money on stamps when nothing goes to the solution. Ducks come from Canada end of story, so the person didn't understand about us putting up with the added expense on stamps that are sold from the trick book of a used car dealer.
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one thing I've never understood about the fed stamp... is that most ducks come from canada... yet the duck stamp money stays here in the states....?
You need to do some studies on our Refuges. McNary National Wildlife Refuge is a good place for you to start. Don't matter where the ducks come from they need habitat to survive so they can get back up north for the breeding seasons. Sorry I sound pissed but I am when people ask very stupid questions like this. Also, not all about waterfowl because our refuges provide to all wildlife that have no seasons such as eagles and pelicans as a very small example. Hunters are about the only source outside the tax payer to provide funds for these refuges. Anti's talk but don't provide the extra funds to only call hunters the killers.
You know you could have answered this question without busting the guys balls. :bdid:
C'mon man, the question was not a question. It was an insult because the person thinks we are stupid for spending money on stamps because the person believes ducks are Canada's problem only. If I wasn't going to bust their balls for that, I would rather go talk to the fence post instead of someone that is dumb as a fence post.
Pot's legal, hdshot. Go get some. Mellow out. We're all hunters here. There are no stupid hunters. Just some who need more information.
No pot is not legal and I am subject to random per federal laws on my job. Back to the subject, the info is out there but some choose to make their own conclusions even in questions which is just stupid. I'm sure someone asked why did you get that and never understood why anyone would buy that?
That was how the question was presented because the conclusion was they didn't understand why we spend money on stamps when nothing goes to the solution. Ducks come from Canada end of story, so the person didn't understand about us putting up with the added expense on stamps that are sold from the trick book of a used car dealer.
Pot is legal in Wa and Colorado... but not federally... so it is legal. Thats why if you are like me a federal employee than it's not legal in that aspect.
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Well hdshot, I guess everyone can't be as bright as you. :chuckle:
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:yeah: :chuckle:
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Well hdshot, I guess everyone can't be as bright as you. :chuckle:
Well, not bright enough to try and speak for everyone.
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@Hdshot.....
yes, I am fully aware of the history, good intensions, and actually spending of said stamp money.
I was born and raised as a duck hunter, and most years buy a second stamp because I know, for the most part, the money is managed accordingly.
I have also been a life long supporter of the Idea of Ducks Unlimited.
I am very well versed in the subject... my question was simple though, it just seems odd that the lions share of habitat preservation MONEY come's from americans.... but only a small percentage of the acual harvested birds are born in america.
I was just wondering why we don't spend more of the stamp tax money up in canada.
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@Hdshot.....
yes, I am fully aware of the history, good intensions, and actually spending of said stamp money.
I was born and raised as a duck hunter, and most years buy a second stamp because I know, for the most part, the money is managed accordingly.
I have also been a life long supporter of the Idea of Ducks Unlimited.
I am very well versed in the subject... my question was simple though, it just seems odd that the lions share of habitat preservation MONEY come's from americans.... but only a small percentage of the acual harvested birds are born in america.
I was just wondering why we don't spend more of the stamp tax money up in canada.
Canada has their own stamp. Unfortunately they have not done well over the years to promote their sport for US hunters to buy their stamps. Many laws with the gun register that is not a big deal but just another hoop and something goes wrong in losing paper work in their country the hunter could be in trouble just for a shotgun. Now have to have passports to cross the border. U.S. doesn't help because the hunter has to declare their hunting firearms are from the US to bring it back from Canada which is more paper work the hunter better not lose. Just a lot more than buying a non resident hunting license with high gas prices.
IMO would just like the money to stay in the states because who knows what would happen to the money if we just handed it over to another government. We have plenty of reasons to put that money to use down here. On the other hand I don't know if our stamp money goes up there or not which does not sound like it does in your first question.
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i am with keeping the $$$ in the states you want to give it to Canada get out of america and become a canadian! We imporve our habitats and maybe we will get more ducks and geese to make it a permit place to live. I say use it for the U.S....... some people make me sick!!! >:(
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OK Irish, get the blood pressure back down!
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ok ok.... :o
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I understand the need for the increase and that it has been a long time since it was increased. However for those that are on a limited budget or fixed income the increase could be a burden. their are those that struggle to come up with the license fees each year to hunt and they rely on hunting to supplement their diets.
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I understand the need for the increase and that it has been a long time since it was increased. However for those that are on a limited budget or fixed income the increase could be a burden. their are those that struggle to come up with the license fees each year to hunt and they rely on hunting to supplement their diets.
Really? I mean you figure by the time you add up the cost duck meat is more expensive then buying your average steak. I'm not sure we live in a world where hunting is to provide anymore. Now it's a hobby.
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Do not forget where you live ! Water fowl hunting is not a cheap thing to do anyway ..So again they have you by the --ts . They just the cost of a box of shells can break a man :chuckle: It all is getting to be a joke ..We are loosing more and more places to hunt and they have these game ranges and expect everyone to use them . How can you hunt with a bunch of sky busting morons ? :yike:
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Lessee, $10, That just about 2.6 gal of gas. About enough to get my truck and duck boat to the end of the driveway. (now before some clown decides to point out that my truck must have a big fuel leak somewhere or that I have an extremely long driveway, I'm just sayin $10 aint much these days.)
The $10 is not an issue. What is at issue is how the $$ are being spent. If you want something to run as inefficiently as humanly possible, let the Fed government run it. State and local gov are pretty much peas in a pod.
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Where I would normally agree about the government getting their hands in almost anything and screwing it up JJD, they've done a good job with migratory fowl under the treaty. Lots of stamp money goes into those refuges and habitat improvement. I can't think of a private organization I'd trust with it. Too many agendas in private business and the government's mandate with regards to these funds is very clear.
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Where I would normally agree about the government getting their hands in almost anything and screwing it up JJD, they've done a good job with migratory fowl under the treaty. Lots of stamp money goes into those refuges and habitat improvement. I can't think of a private organization I'd trust with it. Too many agendas in private business and the government's mandate with regards to these funds is very clear.
Like I mentioned earlier, tally up the total cost to hunt migratory and you are looking at like $75 for small game, validation and stamp. I would be fine with the increased price if they took away the stupid validation that you have to buy on top of small game. At least I know the stamp is going somewhere that supports that birds I am pursuing and not just into the black hole that is our state's general fund. :twocents:
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Personally, I don't mind the extra $10, but when does this start? Still $15 Saturday.
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Where I would normally agree about the government getting their hands in almost anything and screwing it up JJD, they've done a good job with migratory fowl under the treaty. Lots of stamp money goes into those refuges and habitat improvement. I can't think of a private organization I'd trust with it. Too many agendas in private business and the government's mandate with regards to these funds is very clear.
Like I mentioned earlier, tally up the total cost to hunt migratory and you are looking at like $75 for small game, validation and stamp. I would be fine with the increased price if they took away the stupid validation that you have to buy on top of small game. At least I know the stamp is going somewhere that supports that birds I am pursuing and not just into the black hole that is our state's general fund. :twocents:
I agree and this is a separate issue. The raising of the Federal Duck Stamp is one issue, one with which apparently very few of us see a problem. The other is the State of WA added fees. I'm unsure what other state F&G departments do with waterfowl and extra charges, so I really have nothing with which to compare the charges we pay.
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Where I would normally agree about the government getting their hands in almost anything and screwing it up JJD, they've done a good job with migratory fowl under the treaty. Lots of stamp money goes into those refuges and habitat improvement. I can't think of a private organization I'd trust with it. Too many agendas in private business and the government's mandate with regards to these funds is very clear.
Like I mentioned earlier, tally up the total cost to hunt migratory and you are looking at like $75 for small game, validation and stamp. I would be fine with the increased price if they took away the stupid validation that you have to buy on top of small game. At least I know the stamp is going somewhere that supports that birds I am pursuing and not just into the black hole that is our state's general fund. :twocents:
I agree and this is a separate issue. The raising of the Federal Duck Stamp is one issue, one with which apparently very few of us see a problem. The other is the State of WA added fees. I'm unsure what other state F&G departments do with waterfowl and extra charges, so I really have nothing with which to compare the charges we pay.
Agree they are separate issues but just saying that we are already gouged at the state level so increasing the stamp price would just tack on price. Waterfowling is already a spendy sport to get into and I fear that all the continuing increase in fees and having to pay 3 different licenses fees to be legal will lead people away from the sport. :twocents:
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I agree, Van. I think it's a good topic for another thread. I firmly believe that the Duck stamp program, however, is a well managed wildlife habitat program - that being the topic of this specific thread.
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I agree, Van. I think it's a good topic for another thread. I firmly believe that the Duck stamp program, however, is a well managed wildlife habitat program - that being the topic of this specific thread.
Yep and I have no problem paying more for that stamp.
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Where I would normally agree about the government getting their hands in almost anything and screwing it up JJD, they've done a good job with migratory fowl under the treaty. Lots of stamp money goes into those refuges and habitat improvement. I can't think of a private organization I'd trust with it. Too many agendas in private business and the government's mandate with regards to these funds is very clear.
Like I mentioned earlier, tally up the total cost to hunt migratory and you are looking at like $75 for small game, validation and stamp. I would be fine with the increased price if they took away the stupid validation that you have to buy on top of small game. At least I know the stamp is going somewhere that supports that birds I am pursuing and not just into the black hole that is our state's general fund. :twocents:
I agree and this is a separate issue. The raising of the Federal Duck Stamp is one issue, one with which apparently very few of us see a problem. The other is the State of WA added fees. I'm unsure what other state F&G departments do with waterfowl and extra charges, so I really have nothing with which to compare the charges we pay.
As far as I know (too lazy to Google search), most, if not all, other states also have a state duck stamp. Washington is just too cheap to actually provide a "stamp" any more to add to the collection....
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Where I would normally agree about the government getting their hands in almost anything and screwing it up JJD, they've done a good job with migratory fowl under the treaty. Lots of stamp money goes into those refuges and habitat improvement. I can't think of a private organization I'd trust with it. Too many agendas in private business and the government's mandate with regards to these funds is very clear.
Like I mentioned earlier, tally up the total cost to hunt migratory and you are looking at like $75 for small game, validation and stamp. I would be fine with the increased price if they took away the stupid validation that you have to buy on top of small game. At least I know the stamp is going somewhere that supports that birds I am pursuing and not just into the black hole that is our state's general fund. :twocents:
I agree and this is a separate issue. The raising of the Federal Duck Stamp is one issue, one with which apparently very few of us see a problem. The other is the State of WA added fees. I'm unsure what other state F&G departments do with waterfowl and extra charges, so I really have nothing with which to compare the charges we pay.
As far as I know (too lazy to Google search), most, if not all, other states also have a state duck stamp. Washington is just too cheap to actually provide a "stamp" any more to add to the collection....
I think they used to up until about 10-12 years ago. I received one in the mail one year by requesting it.
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Bought my 2014/2015 stamp Saturday for $15. Guess it'll go up next year.
Found this website that takes you to the Federal Duck Stamp Office: http://www.fws.gov/duckstamps/publications.htm (http://www.fws.gov/duckstamps/publications.htm)
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Just got mine for $15