Post by: Rich_S on August 08, 2014, 09:50:11 AM
I'd love to shoot the dog owner with a load of rock salt. :hunter:
Oh, now he's running after a Blue Heron.
Post by: Special T on August 08, 2014, 09:57:03 AM
Bordercollies are one of those dogs where you had better get it a job or it will find one.... Usually not the kind the owner wants!
Post by: Rich_S on August 08, 2014, 10:05:24 AM
Post by: NRA4LIFE on August 08, 2014, 10:05:31 AM
Post by: birddogdad on August 08, 2014, 10:16:29 AM
my dad had his dog shot, walking trails by an opening day grouse "hunter" 5 years ago. My dad was carrying and to this day, i dont know how he restrained himself. I think if the hunter had pointed his shotgun toward my dad who came around the corner and saw his dog dead with a guy standing over it he would have been shot by my dad. The hunter lived.... my dad was so grieved, he lost his best friend by someone who thought it was a stray (orange collar and all) and that they were doing something good.
enter me. contact mason police, could never find the guy but IS A FELONY ANIMAL CRUELTY and results if i would have found the guy would be NEVER have a gun in his hand again!
oh, area, dewatto area, mason county had a brittney spaniel.. and one lucky *censored*....
Again, WE are not the police, WE dont take action in our own hand. WE dont get to make those decisions, WE report and let the proper authorities handle it.
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on August 08, 2014, 10:24:28 AM
Post by: Special T on August 08, 2014, 10:40:53 AM
Again, WE are not the police, WE dont take action in our own hand. WE dont get to make those decisions, WE report and let the proper authorities handle it.
I think you need to reread the OP he said he thinks the OWNER needs a peppering of rocksalt...
Post by: Becky on August 08, 2014, 10:46:15 AM
Again, WE are not the police, WE dont take action in our own hand. WE dont get to make those decisions, WE report and let the proper authorities handle it.
I think you need to reread the OP he said he thinks the OWNER needs a peppering of rocksalt...
:yeah:
Sounds like a completely different situation that you experienced birddogdad, which is sad. The OP is actually witnessing the dog kill wild life, what if it were killing fawns? It doesn't sound like he wants to kill the dog but have a stern talk with the owner.
Post by: birddogdad on August 08, 2014, 10:48:50 AM
It does seem to be a smart dog. As soon as he heard me start to pump up my air rifle, he took off running down the creek.
nope, didnt misread his reply to first post.....
Post by: grundy53 on August 08, 2014, 10:48:53 AM
If he eats one of the salmon, the problem may take care of itself.:yeah:
sent from my typewriter
Post by: cbond3318 on August 08, 2014, 10:56:27 AM
Post by: Badhabit on August 08, 2014, 10:59:40 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on August 08, 2014, 11:01:20 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on August 08, 2014, 11:02:09 AM
Rich, why not walk down to the creek with a leash and see if you could somehow catch the dog. Call 911 and have the game warden or animal control come get the dog. While waiting maybe the owner might show up and you could have a chat with them.
Good idea. :tup:
Post by: Rich_S on August 08, 2014, 11:09:02 AM
It's back, so apparently I didn't upset it too much. Hard to see in this picture, but it is just sitting by the edge of the creek, waiting for another Salmon to come by. I'd guess he's killed a dozen of them this morning. It isn't eating them, just killing them.
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi256.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fhh171%2FClark_Savage_Jr%2F2014-08-08105841_zps5901956b.jpg&hash=6844c069f02ca9b417a9a199f617305faf73e766) (http://s256.photobucket.com/user/Clark_Savage_Jr/media/2014-08-08105841_zps5901956b.jpg.html)
Badhabit . . . From my house, I'd need to wade through a couple hundred feet of knee-deep mud before I got out to the creek bed. Too old to do that any more. Somebody would need to call 911 to rescue me!
Post by: Badhabit on August 08, 2014, 11:14:47 AM
Post by: Rich_S on August 08, 2014, 11:49:51 AM
Post by: Kola16 on August 08, 2014, 08:19:04 PM
Oh, now he's running after a Blue Heron.And you are worried about a dog hurting salmon ???
A paintball or airsoft gun would be perfect. I also wouldn't call the hatchery :dunno: What can the do about a dog. I would call a game warden or something similar.
Post by: pcal on August 08, 2014, 08:30:47 PM
So this OP post strikes a nerve with me and i will go there... OP you are not the police please dont feel you have the right to be judge and jurry on someones pet...If this pos had shot my dog there is no doubt that they would have found him.The flys crawing out of his mouth and nose and the smell would have led them to him!!!!!! pcal
my dad had his dog shot, walking trails by an opening day grouse "hunter" 5 years ago. My dad was carrying and to this day, i dont know how he restrained himself. I think if the hunter had pointed his shotgun toward my dad who came around the corner and saw his dog dead with a guy standing over it he would have been shot by my dad. The hunter lived.... my dad was so grieved, he lost his best friend by someone who thought it was a stray (orange collar and all) and that they were doing something good.
enter me. contact mason police, could never find the guy but IS A FELONY ANIMAL CRUELTY and results if i would have found the guy would be NEVER have a gun in his hand again!
oh, area, dewatto area, mason county had a brittney spaniel.. and one lucky *censored*....
Again, WE are not the police, WE dont take action in our own hand. WE dont get to make those decisions, WE report and let the proper authorities handle it.
Post by: hookedonquack20 on August 08, 2014, 08:55:21 PM
Post by: fastdam on August 08, 2014, 09:34:54 PM
Post by: bobcat on August 08, 2014, 09:40:04 PM
So what? The dog chased a few fish. Dogs do things like that. Get a grip. If you dont want to watch it then deal with it, but living things do interact with each other. I doubt the dog will hurtthe salmon population. I will never understand why some of you guys seem to be dying call the cops on everyone around you all the time. Glad i live where people mind thier own business to some degree.
From what I read, the dog killed several salmon. That's not just chasing them. What if a dog had killed several fawns. Would you feel differently? (It probably wouldn't affect the overall deer population, right?)
Post by: fastdam on August 08, 2014, 09:49:19 PM
Post by: buck man on August 08, 2014, 11:17:45 PM
I don't really blame the dog. I even feel a little bad for them, but when they are on my property causing mischief. The go to doggy heaven. End of story.
Post by: Special T on August 09, 2014, 07:21:44 AM
I dont think shooting the dog with a bb gun is quite the same a the 12 gauge.It does seem to be a smart dog. As soon as he heard me start to pump up my air rifle, he took off running down the creek.
nope, didnt misread his reply to first post.....
Post by: singleshot12 on August 09, 2014, 08:05:27 AM
Don't have much patience for people that can't keep their animals home. I think a paintball or even #9 bird shot from a distance would be a good idea. If it was on your property....well let's just say I SSS. If the dog has killed a 12 salmon and half are hens full of eggs, then u could of just lost upwards of 30000 eggs. Not a big deal? I think yes!
I don't really blame the dog. I even feel a little bad for them, but when they are on my property causing mischief. The go to doggy heaven. End of story.
:yeah: If dog owners CAN'T be responsible then someone else has to be responsible and clean up their mess.sad to say
The same dog killing salmon is most likely the same dog chasing deer and killing livestock. And it isn't just one dog out there either doing this,they're all over and believe it they are causing major unnatural damage to wildlife and livestock :twocents:
Post by: birddogdad on August 12, 2014, 07:18:03 PM
I dont think shooting the dog with a bb gun is quite the same a the 12 gauge.It does seem to be a smart dog. As soon as he heard me start to pump up my air rifle, he took off running down the creek.
nope, didnt misread his reply to first post.....
tell that to the gal who killed a guy up north with one this year or last as I recall....
Post by: Special T on August 12, 2014, 09:24:33 PM
Post by: bigtex on August 12, 2014, 09:31:54 PM
You may find yourself in legal trouble by shooting a dog which is doing something that is allowable under state law.
Post by: wildmanoutdoors on August 13, 2014, 06:47:00 AM
Allowing a dog to chase deer is illegal under state law. Allowing a dog to chase salmon is not illegal.
You may find yourself in legal trouble by shooting a dog which is doing something that is allowable under state law.
Plus....These are hatchery fish! Man made! The hatchery will make there quota. We had our chance to catch them before they went up the creek.
Now if the dog was doing this on the Little Natches killing endangered Springers, that would be a different story.
I will agree the dog should be better kept track of by its owner, but it sure isnt going to hurt the Wild Salmon population one bit.
Post by: xd2005 on August 13, 2014, 06:52:49 AM
Allowing a dog to chase deer is illegal under state law. Allowing a dog to chase salmon is not illegal.
You may find yourself in legal trouble by shooting a dog which is doing something that is allowable under state law.
Plus....These are hatchery fish! Man made! The hatchery will make there quota. We had our chance to catch them before they went up the creek.
Now if the dog was doing this on the Little Natches killing endangered Springers, that would be a different story.
I will agree the dog should be better kept track of by its owner, but it sure isnt going to hurt the Wild Salmon population one bit.
As has already been mentioned, there's more risk to the dog than the fish in this situation...
Post by: wildmanoutdoors on August 13, 2014, 07:04:52 AM
Allowing a dog to chase deer is illegal under state law. Allowing a dog to chase salmon is not illegal.
You may find yourself in legal trouble by shooting a dog which is doing something that is allowable under state law.
Plus....These are hatchery fish! Man made! The hatchery will make there quota. We had our chance to catch them before they went up the creek.
Now if the dog was doing this on the Little Natches killing endangered Springers, that would be a different story.
I will agree the dog should be better kept track of by its owner, but it sure isnt going to hurt the Wild Salmon population one bit.
As has already been mentioned, there's more risk to the dog than the fish in this situation...
Sure is allot of talk comparing Salmon and Deer chasing...
Post by: pianoman9701 on August 13, 2014, 07:12:38 AM
Allowing a dog to chase deer is illegal under state law. Allowing a dog to chase salmon is not illegal.
You may find yourself in legal trouble by shooting a dog which is doing something that is allowable under state law.
Plus....These are hatchery fish! Man made! The hatchery will make there quota. We had our chance to catch them before they went up the creek.
Now if the dog was doing this on the Little Natches killing endangered Springers, that would be a different story.
I will agree the dog should be better kept track of by its owner, but it sure isnt going to hurt the Wild Salmon population one bit.
As has already been mentioned, there's more risk to the dog than the fish in this situation...
Sure is allot of talk comparing Salmon and Deer chasing...
There's a lot of blustering in this and other threads, especially three weeks before the elk opener for archery. I'm pretty sure that most of the people advocating the on-the-spot execution of Rin Tin Tin for choosing a sea kitten diet would probably not pull the trigger in an actual observance of it happening. September 2nd, baby! Get some!
Post by: birddogdad on August 13, 2014, 07:44:29 AM
Allowing a dog to chase deer is illegal under state law. Allowing a dog to chase salmon is not illegal.
You may find yourself in legal trouble by shooting a dog which is doing something that is allowable under state law.
Plus....These are hatchery fish! Man made! The hatchery will make there quota. We had our chance to catch them before they went up the creek.
Now if the dog was doing this on the Little Natches killing endangered Springers, that would be a different story.
I will agree the dog should be better kept track of by its owner, but it sure isnt going to hurt the Wild Salmon population one bit.
As has already been mentioned, there's more risk to the dog than the fish in this situation...
Sure is allot of talk comparing Salmon and Deer chasing...
either situation my point from beginning was and remains WE ARE NOT LEO! we are tasked to simply report and let the state do their jobs. we are not ever directed to take any form of illegal actions in any documents or from wildlife officials. Only time there is wiggle is to protect your life. Many folks feel they have the right to do more in these low personal risk situations and that is simply not reality. This bad decision carries MAJOR reprisal on the back end from owners and state.
Remember Felony activity carries loss of your gun rights. Weapon of choice is a red herring for my discussion, bb gun, poison, shotgun, bow etc.. all will result in arrest.
Honestly, if an owner (out of control, a dumb**, didn't care about pets running amok eating fish, deer, whatever), will not play into YOUR actions or weigh into your ruling, merely result in potential separate citations from WDFW or local County pet police toward owner.
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on August 13, 2014, 08:03:52 AM
Post by: Encore 280 on August 13, 2014, 09:04:50 AM
Post by: Special T on August 13, 2014, 09:20:14 AM
Post by: teal101 on August 13, 2014, 09:28:56 AM
Here's another "what if", what if it was a bear chasing and killing the salmon? :dunno:
Since when is the elusive Border Collie a native Washington State animal?
Post by: lokidog on August 13, 2014, 09:38:16 AM
Here's another "what if", what if it was a bear chasing and killing the salmon? :dunno:
Big difference. So you're OK with feral or your neighbor's cat killing quail and pheasants since a bobcat does it? :bash:
Wild animals doing their thing are a completely different story from pets or abandoned non-wild animals wreaking havok on nature.
Post by: boneaddict on August 13, 2014, 09:51:28 AM
Post by: buckhorn2 on August 13, 2014, 10:10:43 AM
Post by: Stein on August 13, 2014, 10:22:14 AM
Allowing a dog to chase deer is illegal under state law. Allowing a dog to chase salmon is not illegal.
You may find yourself in legal trouble by shooting a dog which is doing something that is allowable under state law.
Plus....These are hatchery fish! Man made! The hatchery will make there quota. We had our chance to catch them before they went up the creek.
Now if the dog was doing this on the Little Natches killing endangered Springers, that would be a different story.
I will agree the dog should be better kept track of by its owner, but it sure isnt going to hurt the Wild Salmon population one bit.
As has already been mentioned, there's more risk to the dog than the fish in this situation...
Sure is allot of talk comparing Salmon and Deer chasing...
either situation my point from beginning was and remains WE ARE NOT LEO! we are tasked to simply report and let the state do their jobs. we are not ever directed to take any form of illegal actions in any documents or from wildlife officials. Only time there is wiggle is to protect your life. Many folks feel they have the right to do more in these low personal risk situations and that is simply not reality. This bad decision carries MAJOR reprisal on the back end from owners and state.
Remember Felony activity carries loss of your gun rights. Weapon of choice is a red herring for my discussion, bb gun, poison, shotgun, bow etc.. all will result in arrest.
Honestly, if an owner (out of control, a dumb**, didn't care about pets running amok eating fish, deer, whatever), will not play into YOUR actions or weigh into your ruling, merely result in potential separate citations from WDFW or local County pet police toward owner.
Shooting a bb gun is a felony? They better make more prisons.
When I called LEO about a dog in my yard, they said I had every right to shoot it. For cats, they won't even respond to the call. If it is on your property, deal with it however you like. If not, grab it and take it to the pound where the owner will hopefully learn a lesson.
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Any person having in his or her care, custody, or control any abandoned animal as defined in RCW 16.54.010, may deliver such animal to any humane society having facilities for the care of such animals or to any pound maintained by or under contract or agreement with any city or county within which such animal was abandoned.
It cracks me up when people say "leave me alone" and then let their animals roam around and cause damage wherever. Part of "leave me alone" should also include leaving others alone.
Post by: singleshot12 on August 13, 2014, 11:27:07 AM
Here's another "what if", what if it was a bear chasing and killing the salmon? :dunno:
Big difference. So you're OK with feral or your neighbor's cat killing quail and pheasants since a bobcat does it? :bash:
Wild animals doing their thing are a completely different story from pets or abandoned non-wild animals wreaking havok on nature.
:yeah:
Post by: HunterStrait on August 15, 2014, 01:30:12 PM
Post by: haugenna on August 15, 2014, 02:36:38 PM
THere are a whole lot of things in this thread that I find disturbing.
Here is what I learned-
Fish not as important as dog
Deer= more important than dog
Human Life not as important as "MY" dog if you killed it
Here we go again.
Post by: bowhunterwa87 on August 15, 2014, 03:34:00 PM
Post by: birddogdad on August 15, 2014, 04:25:39 PM
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=16.52 (http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=16.52)
Post by: boneaddict on August 15, 2014, 09:27:20 PM
:tup: :chuckle:THere are a whole lot of things in this thread that I find disturbing.
Here is what I learned-
Fish not as important as dog
Deer= more important than dog
Human Life not as important as "MY" dog if you killed it
Here we go again.
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on August 15, 2014, 09:46:57 PM
Post by: The scout on August 15, 2014, 09:53:53 PM