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Post by: RadSav on August 16, 2014, 01:08:22 AM
yeah thats weird, and why exactly are they illigal?
Because the law was written back when expandable broadheads consisted of the Puckett's Blood Bucket and the Punch Cutter. So failure rate was WAY high!! Then it progressed to the Rocket broadhead which was better, but still failure rates were high. And then some expandables came out that did not fully fold forward leaving the head barbed by all manner of speaking. So the law had no real reason to change.
Currently I think the law hasn't changed because it's just not very high on the priority list of thinks to fight over.
It really is one of those rules that makes little difference. If we really want to fight for something we should fight to eliminate the 6 grains per pound arrow rule, managing seasons better, controlling predation, or a whole host of more pressing issues that matter. Worry about the "Who cares" rules later...IMO
Post by: NW-GSP on August 16, 2014, 05:12:02 AM
Post by: RadSav on August 16, 2014, 05:34:01 AM
CabeLas has them all over the self why ? :bash:
Legal for turkey and hunters headed anywhere in the world other than the pacific northwest. Plenty of customers out there that just like buying stuff because it's forbidden too ;)
Cabelas also carries battery powered duck hunting decoys and they are illegal in this state.
They also carry muzzle loaders that shoot 209 primers. Crossbows with mounted scopes. A shoot pot full of barbed salmon hooks! And buckshot smaller than #1...Etc...etc...
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on August 16, 2014, 05:36:38 AM
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on August 16, 2014, 05:43:18 AM
Post by: RadSav on August 16, 2014, 05:47:42 AM
I'd shoot expandables if they become legal. I might get a few for Idaho deer and carry this anchor of a bow I got around to try one out.
Illegal in Idaho and Oregon last time I checked!
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on August 16, 2014, 05:51:09 AM
Post by: gr8whthunter on August 20, 2014, 01:27:18 PM
Cabelas also carries battery powered duck hunting decoys and they are illegal in this state.
They also carry muzzle loaders that shoot 209 primers. Crossbows with mounted scopes. A shoot pot full of barbed salmon hooks! And buckshot smaller than #1...Etc...etc...
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since when did barbed hooks become illegal?
Post by: Come Get Some on August 21, 2014, 06:11:35 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on August 21, 2014, 06:40:42 AM
lol seriously? i just moved from florida a few months ago but hey thats why im on this forum
They're illegal for big game. I believe you can shoot small game with them. Anyone? This'll change pretty soon. WA's a little behind the curve on these but we'll catch up. The technology has vastly improved.
Post by: Tbob on August 29, 2014, 02:10:01 PM
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on August 29, 2014, 05:00:46 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on August 31, 2014, 08:43:23 AM
Saw a guy shoot a bull moose with a Rage mechanical head. Couldn't believe it, went clear through one shoulder and lodged about halfway through the off shoulder.. This moose fell over dead really fast..I was impressed..
There's nothing wrong with them. The technology is there. Some states just need to catch up it. WA is one.
Post by: bullfisher on September 03, 2014, 06:46:09 AM
Post by: SeeThru1987 on September 09, 2014, 07:58:24 AM
Read the regs. FIXED UN BARBED ! 7/8 inch min.
a little off topic, but cant you use expandables for coyote? since they are unregulated species?
Post by: Russ McDonald on September 09, 2014, 08:04:58 AM
You can use mechanicals on anything other then deer and elk if I read the regs right but don't quote me on that.Read the regs. FIXED UN BARBED ! 7/8 inch min.
a little off topic, but cant you use expandables for coyote? since they are unregulated species?
Post by: steeleywhopper on September 09, 2014, 08:42:25 AM
Post by: RadSav on September 09, 2014, 09:03:11 AM
Post by: Netminder01 on September 09, 2014, 09:28:34 AM
Saw a guy shoot a bull moose with a Rage mechanical head. Couldn't believe it, went clear through one shoulder and lodged about halfway through the off shoulder.. This moose fell over dead really fast..I was impressed..
There's nothing wrong with them. The technology is there. Some states just need to catch up it. WA is one.
:yeah:
And it's not the only area WA needs to catch up on
Post by: WSU on September 09, 2014, 09:35:32 AM
Post by: h20hunter on September 09, 2014, 09:37:32 AM
Whole lotta' critters killed with mechanicals in other states.
Post by: washelkhunter on September 09, 2014, 09:39:41 AM
:dunno:
Whole lotta' critters killed with mechanicals in other states.
And thats where they need to stay.
Post by: RadSav on September 09, 2014, 09:43:22 AM
So what's the verdict? Do they penetrate as well as fixed blade heads or not?
Not many 1.5 - 2" diameter fixed heads on the market. So hard to measure apples to apples.
Post by: WSU on September 09, 2014, 09:45:07 AM
So what's the verdict? Do they penetrate as well as fixed blade heads or not?
Not many 1.5 - 2" diameter fixed heads on the market. So hard to measure apples to apples.
Why? It seems like penetration would be easy to compare.
Post by: RadSav on September 09, 2014, 11:06:18 AM
So what's the verdict? Do they penetrate as well as fixed blade heads or not?
Not many 1.5 - 2" diameter fixed heads on the market. So hard to measure apples to apples.
Why? It seems like penetration would be easy to compare.
Penetration between a 1.5" cutting diameter 3 blade head and a 1.125" diameter 3 blade head isn't really a comparison. The smaller diameter is always going to penetrate better. In this case near 25% better assuming blade angles are equal. Over the top swivel expandables might lose another 2-3%. Some bad ones maybe another 5%.
But penetration among adult male bowhunters is rarely the issue with expandables. Reliability of function and remaining unbarbed are the more important issues. Rage probably fares as well as any expandables in that comparison. But, one would have to legalize some and not others if such performance was a defining solution as to whether they are legal or not. That would be a nightmare! :o
Always better to have a fragile expandable that penetrates 25% less but is sharp than a fixed blade that is dull. And since we can not control the use of properly sharpened heads then all non-barbed heads should be legal regardless of fixed or method of blade deployment. Trying to regulate stupidity out of society has never worked before. So why then should it work on the select few bowhunters? Increase minimum draw weight on elk to 50# then legalize expendables and be done with it, IMO.
And while we are at it let's throw out the ridiculous 6 grains per pound arrow rule too!
Post by: WSU on September 10, 2014, 12:32:43 PM
Post by: Russ McDonald on September 10, 2014, 12:36:44 PM
Realizing that a bigger cutting diameter is going to penetrate less, my question was intended to figure out how they penetrate compared to fixed heads. I've never shot any and have only shot one big game animal with a bow. The elk I killed didn't result in a pass through on a quartering away shot. I'm curious if expandable heads would provide sufficient penetration on elk? Our critters are much bigger/tougher than the whitetails shot around the majority of the country.My aunt and uncle from Minnesota have shot expandables in MT for elk even quartering shots with success every time.