Post by: lhedquist13 on August 20, 2014, 11:53:41 AM
Post by: Bean Counter on August 20, 2014, 12:00:06 PM
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,84347.msg1391576.html#msg1391576 (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,84347.msg1391576.html#msg1391576)
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,111123.msg1458883.html#msg1458883 (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,111123.msg1458883.html#msg1458883)
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,129556.msg1810868.html#msg1810868 (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,129556.msg1810868.html#msg1810868)
Post by: lhedquist13 on August 20, 2014, 01:53:51 PM
Post by: Dhoey07 on August 20, 2014, 02:05:36 PM
:beatdeadhorse:
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,84347.msg1391576.html#msg1391576 (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,84347.msg1391576.html#msg1391576)
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,111123.msg1458883.html#msg1458883 (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,111123.msg1458883.html#msg1458883)
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,129556.msg1810868.html#msg1810868 (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,129556.msg1810868.html#msg1810868)
That's pretty rude
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on August 20, 2014, 02:42:38 PM
Post by: vandeman17 on August 20, 2014, 02:47:20 PM
Post by: baldopepper on August 20, 2014, 02:55:40 PM
Post by: lhedquist13 on August 20, 2014, 04:18:02 PM
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on August 20, 2014, 04:19:23 PM
Post by: vandeman17 on August 20, 2014, 04:20:20 PM
Would anyone be open to allowing any buck for youth/senior/disabled only?
I would have no problem with that. Not to thread jack but I would also love to see them do the same thing for 2 point mulies.
Post by: lhedquist13 on August 20, 2014, 04:24:35 PM
http://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/regulations/seasonsetting/2015-2017/comments.php (http://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/regulations/seasonsetting/2015-2017/comments.php)
Post by: vandeman17 on August 20, 2014, 04:30:23 PM
The 3 point antler restriction taken down to a 2 point was also on the agenda yesterday evening. If you haven't voted on your alternatives and made comments, you should do so. Here's the link...
http://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/regulations/seasonsetting/2015-2017/comments.php (http://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/regulations/seasonsetting/2015-2017/comments.php)
Already have :tup:
Post by: Bean Counter on August 20, 2014, 05:03:50 PM
That's pretty rude
Sorry
Hows this?
The issue has been kicked around a lot on here and there are a ton of opinions.
:yeah:
Post by: coyotecrazy on August 20, 2014, 05:37:34 PM
Would anyone be open to allowing any buck for youth/senior/disabled only?In general, I would like to see more opportunities for the above mentioned. So yes I would be for it.
Post by: Eli346 on August 20, 2014, 06:54:00 PM
Post by: thatdamguy on August 20, 2014, 11:39:48 PM
My first hand experience the last few years as well as my cameras have told me that the rule is helping. I am seeing more mature bucks on my cameras as well as in the field.
:yeah:
I am seeing more mature deer and more bucks. However I am not a fan of the APR sticking around for a few reasons, 1 it limits the opportunity for young, senior and new hunters which we need. 2 Units 121 and 117 are the best units for hunters to harvest game. 3 There have been less hunters in those units and it is hurting local economy's that rely on the annual income from out of area hunters.
Post by: MuleDeer on August 20, 2014, 11:50:04 PM
Post by: PA BEN on August 21, 2014, 09:48:55 AM
Post by: jasnt on August 21, 2014, 10:11:36 AM
Post by: Dhoey07 on August 21, 2014, 10:27:05 AM
Post by: boneaddict on August 21, 2014, 10:41:53 AM
I think it has increased the number of bucks over here significantly and is helping the herd. I like the regulation and want to give it a couple more years to really see the harvest levels increase and stabilize.:yeah: x ten
Post by: boneaddict on August 21, 2014, 10:47:16 AM
Would anyone be open to allowing any buck for youth/senior/disabled only?No, not really. I have never bought into the PC garbage about the youth needing to be able to harvest any deer. There is more about hunting than having to kill something. I havent broken those three groups apart and isolated whether it would be ok if one got it and one didn't. You are going to have all sorts of opinions on that.
Post by: jasnt on August 21, 2014, 12:29:51 PM
Would anyone be open to allowing any buck for youth/senior/disabled only?No, not really. I have never bought into the PC garbage about the youth needing to be able to harvest any deer. There is more about hunting than having to kill something. I havent broken those three groups apart and isolated whether it would be ok if one got it and one didn't. You are going to have all sorts of opinions on that.
:yeah:
Its all about the hunt not the end result,plus those groups can harvest doe's.
Post by: Dhoey07 on August 21, 2014, 12:41:06 PM
I think it has increased the number of bucks over here significantly and is helping the herd. I like the regulation and want to give it a couple more years to really see the harvest levels increase and stabilize.:yeah: x ten
I just hope that WDFW doesn't give credit to APR's when it's just Mother Nature doing her job :twocents:
Post by: smalldog on August 21, 2014, 12:45:37 PM
Post by: jasnt on August 21, 2014, 02:16:19 PM
Post by: Bucks2Ducks on August 21, 2014, 04:26:20 PM
Post by: jasnt on August 21, 2014, 04:29:51 PM
Post by: boneaddict on August 24, 2014, 05:25:12 PM
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on August 30, 2014, 09:14:52 AM
Down on page 19 were some interesting graph that show the number of deer harvested in each of the units in District 1 since 2006. The 4 pt restriction was put in 117 and 121 in 2011 for varying reasons depending on who you talk to, but was either to build the herd, increase hunter success, create trophies. It may be building the herd back up and creating trophies, but by reading these charts, it isn't translating into hunter success.
After three years, the harvest in these two units still isn't back to where it was pre four point rule. So any bigger herds aren't translating to hunter success. Meanwhile in the units that are still any buck a couple (101 and 105) are holding their own, but in 108, 111, and 113 the buck harvest since 2011 has steadily climbed and in 2013 units 108 and 111 had higher buck harvests than any of the previous years since 2006. In 113 the harvest in 2013 was second only to 2006. So the 4 point only rule has decreased harvest which was expected the first year, but after three years of no shooting spikes, 3 points, and forkhorns, where are all those big bucks everybody should be shooting by now? Remember? All those small bucks were going to grow up and create a hunting bonanza. But instead, the harvest is way down and it was self inflicted. Meanwhile the non restricted units have been coming back quite nicely as far as the number of deer harvested.
My friends in Metaline tell me they haven't seen as many deer as they are seeing this summer in years in 113. Of course that isn't scientific. Just local observation.
Post by: snowpack on August 30, 2014, 09:34:14 AM
Post by: grundy53 on August 30, 2014, 09:51:57 AM
So I was just reading the Hunting prospects put out by the Washington Dept of Game. http://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/prospects/2014/district01.pdf (http://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/prospects/2014/district01.pdf)Probably because not every spike that pokes his nose out is getting slaughtered. It's a lot easier to kill a spike then it is an older buck. Just because there are more big bucks doesn't mean they are dumber.
Down on page 19 were some interesting graph that show the number of deer harvested in each of the units in District 1 since 2006. The 4 pt restriction was put in 117 and 121 in 2011 for varying reasons depending on who you talk to, but was either to build the herd, increase hunter success, create trophies. It may be building the herd back up and creating trophies, but by reading these charts, it isn't translating into hunter success.
After three years, the harvest in these two units still isn't back to where it was pre four point rule. So any bigger herds aren't translating to hunter success. Meanwhile in the units that are still any buck a couple (101 and 105) are holding their own, but in 108, 111, and 113 the buck harvest since 2011 has steadily climbed and in 2013 units 108 and 111 had higher buck harvests than any of the previous years since 2006. In 113 the harvest in 2013 was second only to 2006. So the 4 point only rule has decreased harvest which was expected the first year, but after three years of no shooting spikes, 3 points, and forkhorns, where are all those big bucks everybody should be shooting by now? Remember? All those small bucks were going to grow up and create a hunting bonanza. But instead, the harvest is way down and it was self inflicted. Meanwhile the non restricted units have been coming back quite nicely as far as the number of deer harvested.
My friends in Metaline tell me they haven't seen as many deer as they are seeing this summer in years in 113. Of course that isn't scientific. Just local observation.
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Post by: jasnt on August 30, 2014, 10:25:34 AM
So I was just reading the Hunting prospects put out by the Washington Dept of Game. http://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/prospects/2014/district01.pdf (http://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/prospects/2014/district01.pdf)Could be that many dont like the rule and hunt the other gmu's :dunno:
Down on page 19 were some interesting graph that show the number of deer harvested in each of the units in District 1 since 2006. The 4 pt restriction was put in 117 and 121 in 2011 for varying reasons depending on who you talk to, but was either to build the herd, increase hunter success, create trophies. It may be building the herd back up and creating trophies, but by reading these charts, it isn't translating into hunter success.
After three years, the harvest in these two units still isn't back to where it was pre four point rule. So any bigger herds aren't translating to hunter success. Meanwhile in the units that are still any buck a couple (101 and 105) are holding their own, but in 108, 111, and 113 the buck harvest since 2011 has steadily climbed and in 2013 units 108 and 111 had higher buck harvests than any of the previous years since 2006. In 113 the harvest in 2013 was second only to 2006. So the 4 point only rule has decreased harvest which was expected the first year, but after three years of no shooting spikes, 3 points, and forkhorns, where are all those big bucks everybody should be shooting by now? Remember? All those small bucks were going to grow up and create a hunting bonanza. But instead, the harvest is way down and it was self inflicted. Meanwhile the non restricted units have been coming back quite nicely as far as the number of deer harvested.
My friends in Metaline tell me they haven't seen as many deer as they are seeing this summer in years in 113. Of course that isn't scientific. Just local observation.
Post by: buglebrush on August 30, 2014, 11:08:38 AM
It really doesn't take much for a whitetail to be a 4point. I have 2 1/2 year olds right now visting my plots that are 4x4 and 4x5's one is even 5x6. As early as 3 years ago I had mainly spikes or fork horns. Also my buck to doe ratios where 1:5. Now im seeing closer to 1:1.5 I wouldn't mind if this rule continues indefinitely.:yeah:
Post by: boneaddict on August 30, 2014, 11:43:11 AM
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on August 30, 2014, 11:50:33 AM
Could be that many dont like the rule and hunt the other gmu's :dunno:
"More deer and bigger bucks. So let's hunt someplace else."
The first year I could see it, but by now it should be drawing people in if it worked as advertised.
A basic rule of wild game management is, you can't stockpile animals.
http://www.hunter-ed.com/washington/studyGuide/Conservation-vs.-Preservation/20105001_700046815 (http://www.hunter-ed.com/washington/studyGuide/Conservation-vs.-Preservation/20105001_700046815)
http://www.clemson.edu/extension/natural_resources/wildlife/publications/fs29_population_dynamics.html (http://www.clemson.edu/extension/natural_resources/wildlife/publications/fs29_population_dynamics.html)
Money quotes...... "It becomes apparent that managing wildlife populations is linked to habitat management."
and "In effect, the specific causes of death tend to balance or compensate each other. Wildlife professionals call this phenomenon compensatory mortality. Stated another way, one type of mortality largely replaces another kind of mortality in animal populations, while the total mortality rate of the population remains constant."
Post by: grundy53 on August 30, 2014, 12:56:32 PM
Could be that many dont like the rule and hunt the other gmu's :dunno:
"More deer and bigger bucks. So let's hunt someplace else."
The first year I could see it, but by now it should be drawing people in if it worked as advertised.
A basic rule of wild game management is, you can't stockpile animals.
http://www.hunter-ed.com/washington/studyGuide/Conservation-vs.-Preservation/20105001_700046815 (http://www.hunter-ed.com/washington/studyGuide/Conservation-vs.-Preservation/20105001_700046815)
http://www.clemson.edu/extension/natural_resources/wildlife/publications/fs29_population_dynamics.html (http://www.clemson.edu/extension/natural_resources/wildlife/publications/fs29_population_dynamics.html)
Money quotes...... "It becomes apparent that managing wildlife populations is linked to habitat management."
and "In effect, the specific causes of death tend to balance or compensate each other. Wildlife professionals call this phenomenon compensatory mortality. Stated another way, one type of mortality largely replaces another kind of mortality in animal populations, while the total mortality rate of the population remains constant."
Don't underestimate the power of "any buck" vs "4- point or better". A lot of meat hunters will go to a gmu open to any buck because it seems like a better chance of putting meat in the freezer.
Post by: nwwanderer on August 30, 2014, 01:34:32 PM
Post by: PA BEN on August 30, 2014, 03:51:27 PM
Post by: grundy53 on August 30, 2014, 04:08:16 PM
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Post by: T-Dozzer on August 30, 2014, 07:31:11 PM
Post by: jasnt on September 03, 2014, 03:56:18 PM
Could be that many dont like the rule and hunt the other gmu's :dunno:
"More deer and bigger bucks. So let's hunt someplace else."
The first year I could see it, but by now it should be drawing people in if it worked as advertised.
A basic rule of wild game management is, you can't stockpile animals.
http://www.hunter-ed.com/washington/studyGuide/Conservation-vs.-Preservation/20105001_700046815 (http://www.hunter-ed.com/washington/studyGuide/Conservation-vs.-Preservation/20105001_700046815)
http://www.clemson.edu/extension/natural_resources/wildlife/publications/fs29_population_dynamics.html (http://www.clemson.edu/extension/natural_resources/wildlife/publications/fs29_population_dynamics.html)
Money quotes...... "It becomes apparent that managing wildlife populations is linked to habitat management."
and "In effect, the specific causes of death tend to balance or compensate each other. Wildlife professionals call this phenomenon compensatory mortality. Stated another way, one type of mortality largely replaces another kind of mortality in animal populations, while the total mortality rate of the population remains constant."
Don't underestimate the power of "any buck" vs "4- point or better". A lot of meat hunters will go to a gmu open to any buck because it seems like a better chance of putting meat in the freezer.
:yeah:
Post by: jasnt on September 03, 2014, 04:09:06 PM
From someone who lives here and has hunted here for 39 years, missed two of those years for the military. If you want to increase the herd stop "ALL DOE HUNTING" and kill more coyotes. The 4 point rule came about because rifle hunters were pissed at the bow hunters and the big money guys who hunt here wanted it, they got the county commissioners on board and lobbied the game dept.. This just didn't happen overnight, the lobbying has been going on since '91. I know because I went to the so called hunters meetings, myself and the rest of the bow hunters that went got ran off. Meanwhile the kids are cut short. I don't care who you are and what you say about "THE HUNTING EXPERIENCE". The bottom line to a kid is filling their tag. And thats what its all about. Those of us who know how to hunt, can hunt, but if it's not fun and no deer tags filled, kids will loose interest. I have 5 daughters and all have harvested a doe for their first deer but 1, she shot a spike. After a doe kill, which was the best experience ever, then they wanted a buck. Most if not all of the locals I talk to want any deer for kids. But, the big bad hunter who does not live here, wants it different. OK I'm done, flame on boys and girls. :fire.:
I understand what your saying,and im all for getting youth involved in hunting. I agree with everything except stopping all doe hunting is flat out crazy. The buck to doe ratio is not good in many areas and that causes extra doe cycles( not getting bred and coming in to heat again) this is bad news because it means late fawns. A fawn can only gain fat after it has reached a certain size. Late fawns and twins for that matter are not able to gain enough fat to make it threw winter healthy. Basicly they play catch up most of their early life( some all their life). This makes smaller deer less healthy heard and plays hell on herd numbers.
Post by: gun-dog on September 03, 2014, 04:34:42 PM
Post by: buglebrush on September 03, 2014, 09:05:31 PM
I have seen the number of deer explode around my place since they put in the 4-point restriction. I love the restriction personally because it forces people to take more mature animals. our animals are living longer and able to spread their genes. I wish every unit had a restriction like this. that being said, QDM requires culling of the doe herd. I have TONS OF DOE and I would welcome youth and disabled to help me in managing the deer around here.:yeah:
Post by: police women of America on September 03, 2014, 10:03:37 PM
game.
Post by: Cleve on September 16, 2014, 11:06:41 AM
Post by: PA BEN on September 18, 2014, 06:19:33 AM
Although I have never been to GMU 121 and 117 I agree with the law. And I also think it should apply to youth. I'm for anything that will help hunting get better and bigger gameWe had a WDFW meeting in Colville on the 10th. Hands down all the locals wanted it open to any buck for youth only. :tup:
game.
Post by: bearpaw on September 18, 2014, 07:00:46 AM
Although I have never been to GMU 121 and 117 I agree with the law. And I also think it should apply to youth. I'm for anything that will help hunting get better and bigger gameWe had a WDFW meeting in Colville on the 10th. Hands down all the locals wanted it open to any buck for youth only. :tup:
game.
That's what I understood too, keep the rule but open it to any buck for youth. I can't remember anyone saying anything against opening it to any buck for youth.
Post by: bearpaw on September 18, 2014, 07:13:01 AM
Post by: boneaddict on September 18, 2014, 07:17:41 AM
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It is important that we recruit new hunters, we will do this by giving them the best opportunities that the herd can support.
That's a good statement right there
Post by: PA BEN on September 26, 2014, 06:22:35 AM
Our herd is growing slowly, especially in 117 and 121, with the large predator population the recovery has been slower than normal, but I think that soon, maybe next year, we could allow youth "any deer" all season long, instead of only 4 days. It is important that we recruit new hunters, we will do this by giving them the best opportunities that the herd can support.:yeah: :tup: