Post by: MLBowhunting on September 04, 2014, 08:30:11 PM
I set my brother up on a bank and I moved back into the timber and continued to call. The bull slowly came in and presented himself for a shot. The Savora flew true and found its mark and we watched the bull head into the timber. We gave him some time and bumped a herd in the timber where the bull entered and they all crossed the river which made our tracking horrendous. After finally locating the bull the work really began. Took pics and sent out a few messages and it was time to cut him up. It was his first archery elk and couldn't be more happy and proud to be there along side him.
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Post by: bobcat on September 05, 2014, 05:26:36 AM
Here's what it says in the pamphlet: "A 3 pt. minimum elk means that a legal elk in these GMU's must have at least 3 antler points on one side, with at least 2 antler points above the ear. Eye guards are antler points when they are at least one inch long."
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Post by: nw_bowhunter on September 05, 2014, 07:28:07 AM
Not seeing the fork above the ears. :twocents:
Looks to me that this is a legal 3pt and I can see at least 2 of the pts are above the ear. Not seeing an issue. Again good job taking to the hunter for a nice bull with archery equipment
Post by: Tbar on September 05, 2014, 07:58:53 AM
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Post by: elkh8me on September 05, 2014, 09:42:40 AM
points when they are at least one inch long
Post by: Band on September 05, 2014, 09:43:27 AM
In the rules there is an illustration for reference of what "above the ears" is. Unfortunately I don't see it on this bull. I really hope it has a 1 inch point we can't see.Another example of rules interpretation. I would have judged that bull as a 3-point had I encountered it in the field but after reading the rule now I'm not sure whether it is or not. Shoot, that may or may not qualify as a spike. :dunno:
In my mind if the rules can be reasonably interpreted to call that a 3-point, that's what it is. Congrats on the harvest, MLBowhunting! :hello:
Post by: nw_bowhunter on September 05, 2014, 09:51:01 AM
Eye guards are antler
points when they are at least one inch long
Exactly & reads in the regulations very clearly... I don't know why this is being questioned
Post by: Tbar on September 05, 2014, 09:59:57 AM
Because it's questionable at best! That is a legal spike in any spike unit. There are not 2 points above the ears per the regulations.Eye guards are antler
points when they are at least one inch long
Exactly & reads in the regulations very clearly... I don't know why this is being questioned
Post by: Stein on September 05, 2014, 10:25:15 AM
Quote
3 Point Minimum:
A 3 Pt Min elk means that a legal elk in these GMUs must have at least 3 antler points on one side, with at least 2 antler
points above the ear. Eye guards are antler points when they are at least one inch long
Those points are clearly all above the ear and longer than 1". Doesn't look at all questionable to me.
Post by: RadSav on September 05, 2014, 10:33:57 AM
Because it's questionable at best! That is a legal spike in any spike unit. There are not 2 points above the ears per the regulations.Eye guards are antler
points when they are at least one inch long
Exactly & reads in the regulations very clearly... I don't know why this is being questioned
Being a legal spike would be questionable through loophole regulation. Being a three point is not.
Post by: Russ McDonald on September 05, 2014, 10:39:55 AM
3 Point Minimum: A 3 Pt. Min. elk means that
a legal elk in these GMUs must have at least 3
antler points on one side, with at least 2 antler
points above the ear. Eye guards are antler
points when they are at least one inch long. clearly the inside to are eye guards and for sure 1" long A
1x3 and a 2x3 are legal elk in a 3 Pt. Min. unit.
Antler restrictions apply to all hunters during
any open season.
The second set of points surely look longer then the ears. Especially the one on the left looking at the picture.
Awesome elk congrats to you :tup:
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on September 05, 2014, 10:41:24 AM
Post by: lamrith on September 05, 2014, 10:43:29 AM
Above where ear comes out of the head or the tip of the ear?
Same for antler, is it the base of the point above the ear or the tip?
Great elk regardless!
Post by: bobcat on September 05, 2014, 10:59:37 AM
What signifies above the ear?
Above where ear comes out of the head or the tip of the ear?
Same for antler, is it the base of the point above the ear or the tip?
Key questions right there. And I don't know the answers.
But I think to be legal a bull needs to have at least two points that originate above the tip of the ears.
Post by: The Weazle on September 05, 2014, 11:43:16 AM
To the hunter, nice bull, way to go! Enjoy the fruits of your labor!
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Post by: billythekidrock on September 05, 2014, 12:06:01 PM
Looks like a 4x3 to me. The right antler, left from the front, has a branch at the top if you blow up the pic. I think this discussion is why more people don't post pics. I shot a buck last year that went over 180, but was very hesitant to post pics because I didn't want the topic to go from, wow nice buck, to a scoring debate.
To the hunter, nice bull, way to go! Enjoy the fruits of your labor!
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I agree it looks like a legal bull with the small fork above the ears. Otherwise it would not be legal.
Post by: RadSav on September 05, 2014, 12:10:06 PM
Jeez. 3 animals down in 4 days?? Atta kid. Congrats to your brother.
4 in five days now :tup:
Post by: Russ McDonald on September 05, 2014, 12:11:46 PM
Looks like a 4x3 to me. The right antler, left from the front, has a branch at the top if you blow up the pic. I think this discussion is why more people don't post pics. I shot a buck last year that went over 180, but was very hesitant to post pics because I didn't want the topic to go from, wow nice buck, to a scoring debate.Your right I just blew the picture up and you can see the split on the top left. No questions there.
To the hunter, nice bull, way to go! Enjoy the fruits of your labor!
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Post by: MLBowhunting on September 05, 2014, 12:32:59 PM
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Post by: hntrspud on September 05, 2014, 12:39:19 PM
Post by: pd on September 05, 2014, 12:41:11 PM
I think Ray Charles could tell you that bull is legal. Good Job hope the pack out wasn't to bad :tup:
Actually, I think Ray Charles could indeed tell this bull was legal. Count the points (I see 3 on each side), estimate if they are 1" or longer (they all seem so to me). Where is the controversy? (Or, maybe I am the blind man?)
Post by: bhawley76 on September 05, 2014, 12:49:35 PM
Post by: lamrith on September 05, 2014, 12:52:42 PM
The question some others are having has to do with the "two points above the ear" requirement.I think Ray Charles could tell you that bull is legal. Good Job hope the pack out wasn't to bad :tup:
Actually, I think Ray Charles could indeed tell this bull was legal. Count the points (I see 3 on each side), estimate if they are 1" or longer (they all seem so to me). Where is the controversy? (Or, maybe I am the blind man?)
Post by: Curly on September 05, 2014, 12:54:28 PM
I think Ray Charles could tell you that bull is legal. Good Job hope the pack out wasn't to bad :tup:
Actually, I think Ray Charles could indeed tell this bull was legal. Count the points (I see 3 on each side), estimate if they are 1" or longer (they all seem so to me). Where is the controversy? (Or, maybe I am the blind man?)
I better go get my eyes checked then. It is hard to see the fork above the ears unless the pic is blown up. Even then it is hard.
3 point rule: 3 Point Minimum: A 3 Pt. Min. elk means that a legal elk in these GMUs must have at least 3 antler points on one side, with at least 2 antler points above the ear. Eye guards are antler points when they are at least one inch long.
Still a good bull though. I hope there really are forks and they are just hard to see at the angle of the pic :tup:
Post by: Mike450r on September 05, 2014, 12:59:25 PM
As BTKR stated, without the branch above the ear on the right side this would not be a legal bull.
Post by: bobcat on September 05, 2014, 01:04:43 PM
Post by: Mhamil on September 05, 2014, 01:13:52 PM
You nay sayers should be ashamed
Post by: pd on September 05, 2014, 01:19:25 PM
isn't that what I said?
Yes.
Post by: billythekidrock on September 05, 2014, 01:19:25 PM
I would have definitely shot that bull, I also agree that this thread is the very reason that their are not more animals posted. Why can't everyone just be happy that the kid got his first bull witth archery equipment and leave it that? How many of you remember your first elk and how you felt to tell the story, and then to have it torn down on an open forum.
You nay sayers should be ashamed
So why would you "definitely" shoot this bull?
A. Because it is a spike with double eyeguards
B. Because you can see the fork above the ears on the right side
Post by: Curly on September 05, 2014, 01:36:44 PM
Post by: Russ McDonald on September 05, 2014, 02:13:54 PM
Look at my last post with his picture. I circled where the top of the left side looking at the picture there is a branch of the top. Looking at those horns I would imagine your going to find the same branch on the other side. It is the angle of the picture. Lets just congratulate the man for a nice animal and move on.
Post by: Mike450r on September 05, 2014, 02:34:58 PM
I would have definitely shot that bull, I also agree that this thread is the very reason that their are not more animals posted. Why can't everyone just be happy that the kid got his first bull witth archery equipment and leave it that? How many of you remember your first elk and how you felt to tell the story, and then to have it torn down on an open forum.
You nay sayers should be ashamed
I am not trying to put down the bull or the hunter. I am only explaining how the 3 point rule works. I am seeing a legal 4x3 bull. I am trying to educate the others that think it would be legal with spikes and double eye guards. They are incorrect.
Post by: Band on September 05, 2014, 02:49:57 PM
I would have definitely shot that bull, I also agree that this thread is the very reason that their are not more animals posted. Why can't everyone just be happy that the kid got his first bull witth archery equipment and leave it that? How many of you remember your first elk and how you felt to tell the story, and then to have it torn down on an open forum.I hope the successful hunter understands that nobody is knocking that bull and that we are all happy for his success. Our questions about the legality of the bull as a 3-point is nothing more than information gathering to be sure we are following the regulations and frustration with WDFW that those regulations are not explicit enough for everyone to understand.
You nay sayers should be ashamed
Post by: jackelope on September 05, 2014, 02:53:45 PM
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Post by: Tbar on September 05, 2014, 03:04:01 PM
Exactly!I would have definitely shot that bull, I also agree that this thread is the very reason that their are not more animals posted. Why can't everyone just be happy that the kid got his first bull witth archery equipment and leave it that? How many of you remember your first elk and how you felt to tell the story, and then to have it torn down on an open forum.I hope the successful hunter understands that nobody is knocking that bull and that we are all happy for his success. Our questions about the legality of the bull as a 3-point is nothing more than information gathering to be sure we are following the regulations and frustration with WDFW that those regulations are not explicit enough for everyone to understand.
You nay sayers should be ashamed
Post by: Buckmark on September 05, 2014, 03:04:47 PM
It comes down the this MLBowhunting is not some new guy here. I think he knows what he is doing as you can probably see from his avatar. If it wasn't legal I bet he wouldn't have posted it.New Guy or long time member and avatar pics makes no difference to what people will post. Its been proven before that no matter how may posts you have or what pics you put up people still do things they should not.... :twocents:
Look at my last post with his picture. I circled where the top of the left side looking at the picture there is a branch of the top. Looking at those horns I would imagine your going to find the same branch on the other side. It is the angle of the picture. Lets just congratulate the man for a nice animal and move on.
Now as far as this bull, looks tasty.....
Waiting on pics of the other bull mentioned as down today...but that now may not happen...
Post by: Backstrap on September 05, 2014, 03:15:13 PM
Post by: jackelope on September 05, 2014, 03:17:27 PM
There is a small fork at the top that you can't see from the front angle. It has a touch of velvet and mud on it. He is a legal bull and it really sucks that we have such excellent hunters on here who are questioning other peoples trophy. He is not a monster bull and the last tine is about a inch and a quarter from the top. I am disappointed and will no longer share our hunts and pics just to have others ruin the outcome.
Sorry that this thread went downhill. It happens all too often on here.
Post by: bhawley76 on September 05, 2014, 03:24:39 PM
Post by: bobcat on September 05, 2014, 03:24:49 PM
It's silly to think people aren't going to discuss issues like this. Is everyone expected to just ignore the obvious question? In "real life" the same thing would happen if you showed a group of people that same picture, and didn't explain to them at the time that there's another point there that can't be seen in the photo, and that's what makes it a legal bull.
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on September 05, 2014, 03:33:42 PM
Post by: billythekidrock on September 05, 2014, 03:35:22 PM
There is a small fork at the top that you can't see from the front angle. It has a touch of velvet and mud on it. He is a legal bull and it really sucks that we have such excellent hunters on here who are questioning other peoples trophy. He is not a monster bull and the last tine is about a inch and a quarter from the top. I am disappointed and will no longer share our hunts and pics just to have others ruin the outcome.
It is unfortunate that you feel that way, but to be fair to some, those on mobile devices would not be able to see that small fork. There are also a lot of people that can't see the small fork and have confusion about it being a legal 3pt. I would hope that you can see how this can be construed and use this as a teaching moment for both the regulations and for people to not jump to conclusions.
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on September 05, 2014, 03:35:51 PM
Post by: Curly on September 05, 2014, 03:35:57 PM
Btw - I don't think anyone was saying it is not a great bull. I hope you do continue to post pics and stories.
Post by: LarMar14 on September 05, 2014, 03:38:11 PM
Post by: Martinhunter on September 05, 2014, 04:03:26 PM
Looks like a 4x3 to me. The right antler, left from the front, has a branch at the top if you blow up the pic. I think this discussion is why more people don't post pics. I shot a buck last year that went over 180, but was very hesitant to post pics because I didn't want the topic to go from, wow nice buck, to a scoring debate.:yeah: That's exactly right. Too many people on here being too judgemental about everything. It's a legal bull, get over it. Great job man, congrats!!
To the hunter, nice bull, way to go! Enjoy the fruits of your labor!
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Post by: Mhamil on September 05, 2014, 04:07:18 PM
There is a small fork at the top that you can't see from the front angle. It has a touch of velvet and mud on it. He is a legal bull and it really sucks that we have such excellent hunters on here who are questioning other peoples trophy. He is not a monster bull and the last tine is about a inch and a quarter from the top. I am disappointed and will no longer share our hunts and pics just to have others ruin the outcome.:yeah:
Post by: MtnMuley on September 05, 2014, 04:25:22 PM
Oh, by the way, congrats on your elk. :tup:
Post by: blackdog on September 05, 2014, 04:55:54 PM
Post by: lamrith on September 05, 2014, 05:08:40 PM
Don't get upset, your thread became more than "just" a successful hunt thread, it helped educate a number of hunters, myself included. You should be proud that you have furthered ethical and legal hunting in this state. I know I learned something, and as a new hunter that is the entire game for me right now, learn as much as I can. For that I thank you and the members here that clarified a reg that is more vague than an elk in the mist... :tup:
Post by: billythekidrock on September 05, 2014, 05:09:27 PM
MLBowhunting,
Don't get upset, your thread became more than "just" a successful hunt thread, it helped educate a number of hunters, myself included. You should be proud that you have furthered ethical and legal hunting in this state. I know I learned something, and as a new hunter that is the entire game for me right now, learn as much as I can. For that I thank you and the members here that clarified a reg that is more vague than an elk in the mist... :tup:
:yeah:
Post by: RadSav on September 05, 2014, 05:28:20 PM