Post by: MikeC on September 05, 2014, 05:33:03 PM
Pictures on Facebook.
I know how much everyone loves to talk about Barbour but looks like they did some good this year!
Post by: steeliedrew on September 05, 2014, 05:58:30 PM
Post by: RadSav on September 05, 2014, 06:00:08 PM
Post by: LongRange300RUM on September 05, 2014, 06:04:24 PM
Here's the link to the Facebook page.
Post by: jackelope on September 05, 2014, 06:10:11 PM
Post by: longstevo on September 05, 2014, 06:19:44 PM
Anyone else see the monster Rosevelt Bull taken last night by Jim Burnworth's group filming for Western Extreme.
Pictures on Facebook.
I know how much everyone loves to talk about Barbour but looks like they did some good this year!
Did they give a region where they were hunting, by chance?
Post by: bobcat on September 05, 2014, 06:22:18 PM
Post by: steeliedrew on September 05, 2014, 06:24:11 PM
Post by: RadSav on September 05, 2014, 06:24:46 PM
Post by: Fullabull on September 05, 2014, 06:37:48 PM
Post by: MLBowhunting on September 05, 2014, 06:40:25 PM
Post by: Dan-oo on September 05, 2014, 07:24:40 PM
STUD of a bull......
Post by: MikeC on September 05, 2014, 07:55:03 PM
Jim Burnworth still hunting I believe
Hunt will be on Outdoor Channel next season I would guess
Post by: Hunterman on September 05, 2014, 08:31:10 PM
Hunterman(Tony)
Post by: jackelope on September 05, 2014, 09:18:15 PM
Yup, same guy everyone was bad mouthing last year when he had Eva Shockey hunting with him. This bull was taken by Top Fuel Drag Racer Steve Torrents..
Jim Burnworth still hunting I believe
Hunt will be on Outdoor Channel next season I would guess
Was the bull killed over a pile of apples in someone's back yard?
Post by: JPhelps on September 05, 2014, 09:31:07 PM
Yup, same guy everyone was bad mouthing last year when he had Eva Shockey hunting with him. This bull was taken by Top Fuel Drag Racer Steve Torrents..
Jim Burnworth still hunting I believe
Hunt will be on Outdoor Channel next season I would guess
That should be exciting to watch :rolleyes:
Post by: JPhelps on September 05, 2014, 09:38:11 PM
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi57.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fg221%2Fbigsmooth35%2F84F7CF74-5703-47A8-B92D-B34826DDD6CF_zpshk9n6wic.jpg&hash=200cc3605711985068b763672f21774942f19d03) (http://s57.photobucket.com/user/bigsmooth35/media/84F7CF74-5703-47A8-B92D-B34826DDD6CF_zpshk9n6wic.jpg.html)
Post by: MikeC on September 06, 2014, 05:06:05 AM
Post by: Forks on September 06, 2014, 06:07:19 AM
Post by: Alan K on September 06, 2014, 07:00:06 AM
Here is the picture before the big bull. Yes it is legal, yes it is a big bull, yes I would love to kill him.....but I would LOVE nothing more to do it on what I consider a more "level playing field".
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi57.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fg221%2Fbigsmooth35%2F84F7CF74-5703-47A8-B92D-B34826DDD6CF_zpshk9n6wic.jpg&hash=200cc3605711985068b763672f21774942f19d03) (http://s57.photobucket.com/user/bigsmooth35/media/84F7CF74-5703-47A8-B92D-B34826DDD6CF_zpshk9n6wic.jpg.html)
And that's exactly why I just shrug my shoulders when I see bulls like this, or big bucks from the eastside shot over a hay pile. It doesn't compare to an animal taken in their natural surroundings on their terms etc. Impressive bull nonetheless, but I won't be giving the guy the same credit for taking that bull over a bait pile as I would have if it were taken on the bull's terms so to speak. :twocents:
He'll probably be walking around as though he's one of the greatest Roosevelt elk hunters ever to live thanks to the bull's score, and most of the fellow 'TV star' hunters will probably see him as that since score/size seems to be the metric regardless of the hunt itself.
Post by: link on September 06, 2014, 08:39:00 AM
Post by: npaull on September 06, 2014, 10:07:07 AM
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And that's exactly why I just shrug my shoulders when I see bulls like this, or big bucks from the eastside shot over a hay pile. It doesn't compare to an animal taken in their natural surroundings on their terms etc. Impressive bull nonetheless, but I won't be giving the guy the same credit for taking that bull over a bait pile as I would have if it were taken on the bull's terms so to speak.
Couldn't agree more.
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on September 06, 2014, 10:12:11 AM
Post by: coyotestalker22250 on September 06, 2014, 10:18:05 AM
Post by: MikeC on September 06, 2014, 10:37:45 AM
Isn't that like saying if it's on the internet it must be true or....
The wolves being reintroduced into thr wild are Native to our statr :chuckle: :bash:
Yup, That's a big ass Rosie!
Post by: Dan-oo on September 06, 2014, 11:34:02 AM
If you can't harvest an elk with a recurve and home made arrows from cedar shafts, you're really not taking an animal in a fair chase method.
And camo patterns on clothes????? There's nothing fair chase about that.
Don't even get me started on people who stoop to using scent control technology or who are unethical enough to use magnification or range finding crutches..... There is nothing sporting about that.
(Hunters tearing down hunters rant over)
Post by: MR5x5 on September 06, 2014, 11:44:27 AM
Post by: coyotestalker22250 on September 06, 2014, 11:50:22 AM
Post by: sirmissalot on September 06, 2014, 11:53:57 AM
Post by: washelkhunter on September 06, 2014, 11:55:41 AM
Hate to be a naysayer but if that bull was shot in the puyallup or the mashel unit it's not a Rosie. Anything east of I-5 is a rocky according to the books. Beautiful bull nonetheless!:yeah:
He is correct. Any elk living east of I5 is a RM elk period. You can make believe its a rosie all you want, but it is'nt. :sry: I really dont understand the whole "rosie" cachet anyway, as if theyre
somehow superior to all other elk? Oh and shooting anything over a dumped truckload of apples isnt hunting, legal sure, ethical never. You dont get to brag about it imb.
Post by: mulehunter on September 06, 2014, 01:02:17 PM
Post by: deerhunter_98520 on September 06, 2014, 01:10:29 PM
Post by: MikeC on September 06, 2014, 01:34:35 PM
Post by: bobcat on September 06, 2014, 01:36:38 PM
Post by: steeliedrew on September 06, 2014, 01:43:15 PM
I don't have a problem with it. I'd happily take that bull over a pile of apples!
:yeah: YESSIR!
Post by: erk444 on September 06, 2014, 01:53:18 PM
Post by: wsmnut on September 06, 2014, 02:12:24 PM
Post by: bankwalker on September 06, 2014, 02:42:31 PM
How It was killed means nothing to me. We all wake up and lace up our boots and tie our string bikinis on one string at a time like everybody else :chuckle:. Hunt your style and be happy to be out there! Legal hunt is a proud hunt!
Post by: anglinarcher on September 06, 2014, 03:05:18 PM
Post by: MtnMuley on September 06, 2014, 03:08:27 PM
Post by: bearpaw on September 06, 2014, 03:11:53 PM
In reality, I have to congratulate anyone who uses legal means to take an animal, especially one like that. It is a known fact that some of the best hunting in Washington and in most other states is in close proximity to populated areas. Bait was possibly the most reasonable and effective method to legally hunt for that bull in a mix of small property ownership. A big old bull like that needs to be taken out of the herd rather than die needlessly by the bumper of a Mac truck and likely never be recognized for the awesome animal that it is.
If this bull was taken legally, kudos to the hunter for taking a bull that almost every hunter in Washington would die for. Even though some people may not like everyone involved, I don't see a logical reason to discount or belittle the hunter, the bull, or the hunt. It really sounds to me like the most effective hunting method for that area was utilized for the hunt.
Another Thought:
If baiting was outlawed, I can see how opportunities to hunt animals in populated areas where they really need to be harvested and populations reduced, will be diminished. :twocents:
Post by: bobcat on September 06, 2014, 03:17:45 PM
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Another Thought:
If baiting was outlawed, I can see how opportunities to hunt animals in populated areas where they really need to be harvested and populations reduced, will be diminished.
That's the best argument right there, for baiting to remain legal. Without that method of hunting, a lot of these smaller parcels of private land in populated areas would be un-huntable.
Look at all that prime elk meat that somebody gets to enjoy now instead of it just being wasted when that bull dies of old age.
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on September 06, 2014, 03:18:21 PM
:yeah: :yeah:QuoteAnother Thought:
If baiting was outlawed, I can see how opportunities to hunt animals in populated areas where they really need to be harvested and populations reduced, will be diminished.
That's the best argument right there, for baiting to remain legal. Without that method of hunting, a lot of these smaller parcels of private land in populated areas would be un-huntable.
Look at all that prime elk meat that somebody gets to enjoy now instead of it just being wasted when that bull dies of old age.
Post by: Ranger91298 on September 06, 2014, 03:26:04 PM
I don't have a problem with it. I'd happily take that bull over a pile of apples!:tup:
Post by: zackmioli on September 06, 2014, 04:36:55 PM
That is a beautiful bull.
Post by: gonehuntin68 on September 06, 2014, 06:59:44 PM
This is exactly why I have no respect for archers that shoot compounds. Bows with cams give an unfair advantage.
If you can't harvest an elk with a recurve and home made arrows from cedar shafts, you're really not taking an animal in a fair chase method.
And camo patterns on clothes????? There's nothing fair chase about that.
Don't even get me started on people who stoop to using scent control technology or who are unethical enough to use magnification or range finding crutches..... There is nothing sporting about the
(Hunters tearing down hunters rant over)
Is this guy for real?
Post by: Biggerhammer on September 06, 2014, 07:14:41 PM
I have not seen it, but I'm afraid to do a Bing search for "Huge Rosie" as I know my eyes will catch fire and my soul will be damned. :yike:
LMAO!!!
Thanks! It was a long day and I needed a good laugh. :tup:
I would smoke a bull like that every year over a pile of apples if I could. Then I would sit by the BBQ every night with the sweet aroma of Cooking Elk Filling my nose pondering the time I would have to pass until I could smoke the next bull over the same pile of apples.
Post by: bowhuntersd on September 06, 2014, 08:13:42 PM
:tup: congrats to the hunter; good, bad or indifferent.
Post by: jay.sharkbait on September 06, 2014, 08:15:43 PM
:yeah: A pile of apples, a pile of pears, hell, a pile of dead puppies for all I care! I would love to even see a bull like that!!
Well said!
How many here use bait to catch fish?
Post by: big wood on September 06, 2014, 08:48:03 PM
Post by: MikeC on September 06, 2014, 08:49:59 PM
Green Score 381 6/8!
Potential WA State Record of some sort.
Post by: Trapmark on September 06, 2014, 09:39:50 PM
Post by: Lucky1 on September 06, 2014, 09:58:53 PM
Post by: big wood on September 06, 2014, 10:00:02 PM
Post by: hunt6226 on September 07, 2014, 04:07:07 AM
Regardless its a stud bull. I would love to have that on my wall!!!!
Post by: deerhunter_98520 on September 07, 2014, 08:46:17 AM
Post by: big wood on September 07, 2014, 09:33:30 AM
Post by: deerhunter_98520 on September 07, 2014, 11:26:25 AM
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on September 07, 2014, 12:07:45 PM
Post by: Band on September 07, 2014, 08:28:35 PM
Post by: hooker on September 07, 2014, 08:58:39 PM
Post by: nailbender on September 08, 2014, 06:35:20 AM
Wow, great bull! Doesn't change my opinion of the "outfitter" one bit, but great bull. Glad someone got a crack at that one.
Agreed
Post by: 2MANY on September 08, 2014, 07:18:52 AM
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on September 08, 2014, 08:08:02 PM
It should also be noted that using nitro in a dragster is cheating.
That's a fact Brett!!! Some folks flipping their lip even have "RBros" rifles.... Geez.... Oh he won't shoot over 350 yards, specially on rutted up Montana bulls....
Post by: broknt on September 09, 2014, 10:22:40 PM
Post by: huntnphool on September 09, 2014, 10:59:33 PM
Wow, great bull! Doesn't change my opinion of the "outfitter" one bitI'm surprised Haugena has not replied. :chuckle:
Post by: haugenna on September 10, 2014, 07:13:03 AM
Post by: RadSav on September 10, 2014, 07:19:52 AM
Post by: bearpaw on September 10, 2014, 07:28:04 AM
Not that it matters to me, but didn't someone say there was no bait involved?
Post by: bobcat on September 10, 2014, 07:46:54 AM
:chuckle: :chuckle:
Not that it matters to me, but didn't someone say there was no bait involved?
Yes.
Post by: baker5150 on September 10, 2014, 07:52:21 AM
Nice bull, congrats to the hunter.
Post by: coachcw on September 10, 2014, 08:22:27 AM
Post by: Billdos Uncle on September 10, 2014, 08:25:31 AM
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.tapatalk.com%2Fd%2F14%2F09%2F06%2Fuhy7agys.jpg&hash=fe5eb2f7fa8f59f509c883d3130ae12fc0385836)That's out in Graham
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on September 10, 2014, 08:28:29 AM
I was under the impression that you cant bait intill the season starts . Am I wrong ? , if so there's pics of august baiting ....Why not ? Guys are baiting while they have trailcams out :dunno: Anything in the regs about it ?
Post by: bearpaw on September 10, 2014, 08:30:50 AM
I was under the impression that you cant bait intill the season starts . Am I wrong ? , if so there's pics of august baiting ....Why not ? Guys are baiting while they have trailcams out :dunno: Anything in the regs about it ?
Currently there are no rules, you can bait anytime.
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on September 10, 2014, 08:32:28 AM
Post by: krapmit on September 10, 2014, 09:14:09 AM
Also, yes he changed the name from Barbour outfitters because of the reputation...wouldn't you? I've never seen such bad press for guys business.
Regarding baiting, people need to get over it, in these small private land areas, you have no other choice, you may have a ten acre plot where you have permission, you can't chase these animals over fences to other private farms/areas. Shoot you can't even hope to call one in to a 10-20 acre area, YOU HAVE TO BAIT. I do it from time to time. Sure I'd rather bike in 8 miles behind a gate and call in a bull to 8 yards and shoot him in the heart. but do know the time to scout and the effort to keep these areas baited are intense. I've seen spots that will go through 100 gallons of apples a day. A TON OF WORK.
At the end of the day though, from all of the comments and stories I've heard from other sources who have had encounters with this particular guide. It sounds like he's not the most ethical hunter in the woods and have even heard stories of wasted meat, by not properly skinning/gutting animals in time. But DAMN THESE ARE SOME NICE BULLS HES GOTTEN HIS CLIENTS!
How are they going to make a hunting show out of it on tv though? Elk drops head quartering away to eat apple and thwap, double lung shot..elk drops apple runs over and dies 30 yards away on bail of alfa alfa?
Post by: Jeremiah P on September 14, 2014, 04:18:52 PM
Post by: xXLojackXx on September 14, 2014, 06:45:56 PM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on September 14, 2014, 07:24:09 PM
Post by: Crunchy on September 14, 2014, 07:25:14 PM
I'd rather shoot a public land, fair chase spike bull than a private land apple pile bull. Congrats, you did the work of dumping apples all summer and had patience to wait in a blind all day.
Yeah that
Post by: TikkaT3-270Shortmag on September 14, 2014, 07:35:16 PM
Post by: krapmit on September 14, 2014, 07:44:51 PM
Post by: Billdos Uncle on September 15, 2014, 06:51:15 AM
It's pretty damn funny that the hunting purist's on this site they wouldn't hunt an elk over bait when in fact they have no idea if that was the case. Jealousy makes a lot of people look pretty stupid, congrats to the new #1 cascade rosie, to the rest just move down
Lol I have been out to this land and saw all the apples with Mr. Barbour himself! this bull was baited bro. his clients don't pay 5,000$ a hunt for him not to bait :tup: AND AGAIN THIS IS NOT A ROSIE! JUST SHOWS WHAT U REALLY KNOW.. STICK TO FISHING
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on September 15, 2014, 07:07:45 AM
I'm not gonna knock the guy for baiting. We need all legal forms of hunting to remain legal. I don't bait, but if I was elderly or disabled I would. So in the future this may be the only way I get any oppurtunity to hunt. So when all the nay sayers get old or hurt and have no option to hunt at all cause you didn't like one method of hunting when you were young and able. Then you'll be kicking yourselfs for not just minding your own.
I however don't see the bull the same as I would had he killed it on public land. Bugling is way more effective than a bait pile IMO. So I would see the private land as a bigger part of this bull than the apples. To each there own. If Barbour wants his rep to be the baiter of the westside elk then let him make his money how he feels fit. If the clients want to pay to sit on a bait pile and are content at the end, then let them be.
Post by: Billdos Uncle on September 15, 2014, 07:09:42 AM
Billdos uncle really.... Now I know who taught billdo to be so narrow minded...
I'm not gonna knock the guy for baiting. We need all legal forms of hunting to remain legal. I don't bait, but if I was elderly or disabled I would. So in the future this may be the only way I get any oppurtunity to hunt. So when all the nay sayers get old or hurt and have no option to hunt at all cause you didn't like one method of hunting when you were young and able. Then you'll be kicking yourselfs for not just minding your own.
I however don't see the bull the same as I would had he killed it on public land. Bugling is way more effective than a bait pile IMO. So I would see the private land as a bigger part of this bull than the apples. To each there own. If Barbour wants his rep to be the baiter of the westside elk then let him make his money how he feels fit. If the clients want to pay to sit on a bait pile and are content at the end, then let them be.
I'm just letting you know if I was an elk out there I would probably puke if I saw or ate another apple :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on September 15, 2014, 08:05:51 AM
Post by: jackelope on September 15, 2014, 08:07:35 AM
If you were an elk? You make no sense. Your statements make me think billdo started an acct under billdos uncle.
If I see or eat another apple, I'm going to puke.
Like...there's sooooo many apples out there. That's what he's saying.
He's being funny. Slow down, DIY.
Post by: kholmes007 on September 15, 2014, 08:22:03 AM
I'd rather shoot a public land, fair chase spike bull than a private land apple pile bull. Congrats, you did the work of dumping apples all summer and had patience to wait in a blind all day.
:yeah: :tup:
Post by: Alchase on September 15, 2014, 08:32:09 AM
I would love to have a bull like that, I do not want to shoot one in someones garden, that has lived like a pet for the last three years.
The "Meridian" herd as we call them, are land locked and basically no different then the high fence hunts.
Still a stud bull!
Post by: Billdos Uncle on September 15, 2014, 08:34:07 AM
My bad I thought it was pretty clear what I meant, but thx jackelope for clearing it up for him
Post by: Jeremiah P on September 15, 2014, 12:17:18 PM
Post by: Billdos Uncle on September 15, 2014, 12:21:44 PM
If it was indeed shot west of the pacific crest trail it will be classified as a cascade Rosie, just sayingu have no idea since it was shot out in graham which is east of I-5 making it not a rosie by definition....JUST SAYIN
http://www.boone-crockett.org/bgrecords/records_boundaries.asp?area=bgRecords (http://www.boone-crockett.org/bgrecords/records_boundaries.asp?area=bgRecords)
Post by: Alchase on September 15, 2014, 12:24:54 PM
If it was indeed shot west of the pacific crest trail it will be classified as a cascade Rosie, just saying
FYI, The PCT is the decider between Muley and Blacktail
Post by: Billdos Uncle on September 15, 2014, 12:26:13 PM
:yeah: Thank you very muchIf it was indeed shot west of the pacific crest trail it will be classified as a cascade Rosie, just saying
FYI, The PCT is the decider between Muley and Blacktail
Post by: Old Man Yager on September 15, 2014, 12:28:46 PM
Post by: Billdos Uncle on September 15, 2014, 12:30:13 PM
Washington state record book calls it a Cascade Rosie. I know west of I-5 says they are a Rcky Mountain, but State book has different boundries. Just sayin.West of I-5 are rosie not rocky mountain :dunno: :dunno: :dunno:
And if u click the link you will see boone and crocketts classification which everyone goes by...
Post by: snowpack on September 15, 2014, 12:35:22 PM
Post by: Billdos Uncle on September 15, 2014, 12:37:31 PM
Yeah, there's three categories for WA elk: Rocky Mountain, Cascade Roosevelt and Roosevelt.if it was to be put into boone and crockett it would be classified as rocky mountain end of discussion... :bash: :dunno: :chuckle:
That's like classifying the bucks in north bend as black tail mule crosses, bootlegs, hybrids..... whatever goes in the book is what matters...
Post by: snowpack on September 15, 2014, 12:39:55 PM
And blacktail gets divided yet again into Cascade and Columbian.If it was indeed shot west of the pacific crest trail it will be classified as a cascade Rosie, just saying
FYI, The PCT is the decider between Muley and Blacktail
Post by: grundy53 on September 15, 2014, 12:54:38 PM
Yeah, there's three categories for WA elk: Rocky Mountain, Cascade Roosevelt and Roosevelt.if it was to be put into boone and crockett it would be classified as rocky mountain end of discussion... :bash: :dunno: :chuckle:
That's like classifying the bucks in north bend as black tail mule crosses, bootlegs, hybrids..... whatever goes in the book is what matters...
Maybe its the end of the discussion for YOU. There are a lot of hunters who don't give a rip about record books. Boone and Crockett only classify it that way to make it easier on them. Not because the elk east of I-5 are actually Rocky's. There are a lot of Roosevelts east of I-5.
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Post by: bobcat on September 15, 2014, 01:11:42 PM
Post by: Billdos Uncle on September 15, 2014, 02:34:47 PM
END OF DISCUSSION THAT IS NOT A ROOSEVELT BULL PERIOD!!! THANK YOU...Yeah, there's three categories for WA elk: Rocky Mountain, Cascade Roosevelt and Roosevelt.if it was to be put into boone and crockett it would be classified as rocky mountain end of discussion... :bash: :dunno: :chuckle:
That's like classifying the bucks in north bend as black tail mule crosses, bootlegs, hybrids..... whatever goes in the book is what matters...
Maybe its the end of the discussion for YOU. There are a lot of hunters who don't give a rip about record books. Boone and Crockett only classify it that way to make it easier on them. Not because the elk east of I-5 are actually Rocky's. There are a lot of Roosevelts east of I-5.
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You could say that he has some Roosevelt in him but his is mainly rocky thats all u can say
Post by: washelkhunter on September 15, 2014, 02:45:07 PM
Post by: bobcat on September 15, 2014, 03:06:15 PM
Never heard of the cascade Rosie, is there a scientific taxonomy description of this assumed subspecies?
No, like I said the only place you'll find this classification for a "Cascade Roosevelt" is in the state record book put out by Northwest Big Game. It's not an officially recognized sub-species.
http://www.nwbiggame.com
Post by: grundy53 on September 15, 2014, 03:06:27 PM
END OF DISCUSSION THAT IS NOT A ROOSEVELT BULL PERIOD!!! THANK YOU...Yeah, there's three categories for WA elk: Rocky Mountain, Cascade Roosevelt and Roosevelt.if it was to be put into boone and crockett it would be classified as rocky mountain end of discussion... :bash: :dunno: :chuckle:
That's like classifying the bucks in north bend as black tail mule crosses, bootlegs, hybrids..... whatever goes in the book is what matters...
Maybe its the end of the discussion for YOU. There are a lot of hunters who don't give a rip about record books. Boone and Crockett only classify it that way to make it easier on them. Not because the elk east of I-5 are actually Rocky's. There are a lot of Roosevelts east of I-5.
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You could say that he has some Roosevelt in him but his is mainly rocky thats all u can say
Hahaha. Ok. Are you the one that taught all those elk to read so that they would know to not cross I-5? If so you didn't do a good job because there are quite a few hit on I-5. You're saying if a Roosevelt walks across I-5 he magically becomes a Rocky mountain elk? Thats AMAZING! I wonder what they did before they made that magical highway...
You're trying to say all those bulls in the toutle, Margaret, and Winston ate Rockys? Amazing.... :chuckle: :chuckle:
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Post by: bearpaw on September 15, 2014, 03:18:04 PM
Never heard of the cascade Rosie, is there a scientific taxonomy description of this assumed subspecies?
No, like I said the only place you'll find this classification for a "Cascade Roosevelt" is in the state record book put out by Northwest Big Game. It's not an officially recognized sub-species.
http://www.nwbiggame.com (http://www.nwbiggame.com)
:yeah: Bobcat has it right! :tup: According to P&Y and B&C to qualify as a Roosy in the other books it must come from west of I-5.
Post by: Billdos Uncle on September 15, 2014, 03:49:13 PM
thank you very much exactly what I said.... and im not saying that there couldn't be rosies east of 1-5 im saying that if there is it is technically classified as a rocky mountain wether u like it or not...Never heard of the cascade Rosie, is there a scientific taxonomy description of this assumed subspecies?
No, like I said the only place you'll find this classification for a "Cascade Roosevelt" is in the state record book put out by Northwest Big Game. It's not an officially recognized sub-species.
http://www.nwbiggame.com (http://www.nwbiggame.com)
:yeah: Bobcat has it right! :tup: According to P&Y and B&C to qualify as a Roosy in the other books it must come from west of I-5.
Post by: Billdos Uncle on September 15, 2014, 03:52:32 PM
Post by: RadSav on September 15, 2014, 04:22:50 PM
You're trying to say all those bulls in the toutle, Margaret, and Winston ate Rockys?
I knew Cascade Rosies were mean and tough. But I had no idea they were meat eaters! Wonder if that's what happened to all the deer in the Toutle, Winston and Margaret too? :chuckle: Let's transplant some into the NE as I imagine a 700# meat eating ungulate must be a wolfs worst nightmare!
Post by: grundy53 on September 15, 2014, 05:04:15 PM
You're trying to say all those bulls in the toutle, Margaret, and Winston ate Rockys?
I knew Cascade Rosies were mean and tough. But I had no idea they were meat eaters! Wonder if that's what happened to all the deer in the Toutle, Winston and Margaret too? :chuckle: Let's transplant some into the NE as I imagine a 700# meat eating ungulate must be a wolfs worst nightmare!
Hahaha dang auto correct.
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Post by: grundy53 on September 15, 2014, 05:10:44 PM
thank you very much exactly what I said.... and im not saying that there couldn't be rosies east of 1-5 im saying that if there is it is technically classified as a rocky mountain wether u like it or not...Never heard of the cascade Rosie, is there a scientific taxonomy description of this assumed subspecies?
No, like I said the only place you'll find this classification for a "Cascade Roosevelt" is in the state record book put out by Northwest Big Game. It's not an officially recognized sub-species.
http://www.nwbiggame.com (http://www.nwbiggame.com)
:yeah: Bobcat has it right! :tup: According to P&Y and B&C to qualify as a Roosy in the other books it must come from west of I-5.
What I am saying is an arbitrary line made up by some organization that isn't from Washington is not scientific. Like I said earlier they put that line there to limit the possibility of cross breeds making their book. Does that automatically make all elk east of I-5 Rockys? No.
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Post by: bullfisher on September 15, 2014, 06:51:58 PM
:yeah:thank you very much exactly what I said.... and im not saying that there couldn't be rosies east of 1-5 im saying that if there is it is technically classified as a rocky mountain wether u like it or not...Never heard of the cascade Rosie, is there a scientific taxonomy description of this assumed subspecies?
No, like I said the only place you'll find this classification for a "Cascade Roosevelt" is in the state record book put out by Northwest Big Game. It's not an officially recognized sub-species.
http://www.nwbiggame.com (http://www.nwbiggame.com)
:yeah: Bobcat has it right! :tup: According to P&Y and B&C to qualify as a Roosy in the other books it must come from west of I-5.
What I am saying is an arbitrary line made up by some organization that isn't from Washington is not scientific. Like I said earlier they put that line there to limit the possibility of cross breeds making their book. Does that automatically make all elk east of I-5 Rockys? No.
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I asked the last roosie I shot, if he knew he was on the wrong side of I5.... he didn't even answer, how rude!
Post by: erk444 on September 15, 2014, 07:24:51 PM
Post by: DRENALINJUNKIE on September 15, 2014, 09:41:50 PM
Post by: big wood on September 16, 2014, 07:18:59 AM
I heard that all the meat was spoiled on this elk. They left it in the back of a truck with hide on it over night. Can anyone confirm this to be true or not?I heard the same thing. I hope the gamies on here follow up on it
Post by: bullfisher on September 16, 2014, 07:38:09 AM
Post by: Billdos Uncle on September 16, 2014, 07:46:28 AM
Post by: Billdos Uncle on September 16, 2014, 10:13:14 AM
So i hate to burst Barbour bubble but this bull is not going to be the number 1 bull because we all know this green score of 381" is gross score. Well this bull will not score that great because his frame in not matched that well. I looked at him a few times this summer in person at 100yards or less.yeah when we went in to fix the blind so eva shockey and the camera man could fit inside I was like ur putting her right here lol.. u can hear the cars in the back ground hilarious!!! Insane...
Is it a nice bull yes it is a great bull. Is the guide a fing joke full of elk sheet yes he is.
I am glad one of the 7 points bulls got shot by a DIY guy on his family's property near by. And yes there is apples in the field and yes you could watch the whole thing from the highway and see his blind, apple piles and trail camera from the road. You could shoot and arrow from your bow and hit them from merdian!
Post by: bullfisher on September 16, 2014, 10:19:38 AM
Post by: hunterrcc on September 16, 2014, 10:20:42 AM
Post by: snowpack on September 16, 2014, 10:21:41 AM
Why would you help this guy?Two words.....Eva and Shockey.... :chuckle:
Post by: bobcat on September 16, 2014, 10:22:02 AM
Post by: krapmit on September 16, 2014, 10:33:46 AM
NONETHELESS, BAD ASSSSSS BULL!!!!!!!
I WISH I COULD HAVE SHOT IT. BAD NEW GUIDE, BUT BAD ASS BULL.
Post by: bobcat on September 16, 2014, 10:42:10 AM
Post by: bobcat on September 16, 2014, 10:42:52 AM
Bobcat hope you enjoy giving this farmer money from your tags every year.
I don't understand?
Post by: Billdos Uncle on September 16, 2014, 10:46:35 AM
Why would you help this guy?I didn't he was trying to get me to work for him but after that I told him I wasn't interested...
Post by: Alchase on September 16, 2014, 12:01:56 PM
I also heard the meat was completely rotted. I also know the gamies have already long been on this case. Not sure how bad of an offence wasted game is, but wouldn't be surprised if they got him on another charge or two.
NONETHELESS, BAD ASSSSSS BULL!!!!!!!
I WISH I COULD HAVE SHOT IT. BAD NEW GUIDE, BUT BAD ASS BULL.
Please No!
To have a bull like that go to waste, the shooter and the guide should be held accountable if this is true :bash:
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on September 16, 2014, 12:19:46 PM
Post by: bobcat on September 16, 2014, 12:21:05 PM
Post by: boneaddict on September 16, 2014, 12:23:13 PM
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on September 16, 2014, 12:27:28 PM
Post by: bobcat on September 16, 2014, 12:28:21 PM
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on September 16, 2014, 12:29:29 PM
Post by: boneaddict on September 16, 2014, 12:29:52 PM
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on September 16, 2014, 12:42:51 PM
The 5 hour track job bull?
I hope not that would be extra lame. The 5 hour track bull was supposedly killed only a few miles in.
Post by: DRENALINJUNKIE on September 16, 2014, 12:57:32 PM
Post by: bobcat on September 16, 2014, 01:02:27 PM
Could you clarify what posts bull went to waste bobcat? link?
The "Monster west side 388 bull" thread. But I could be mixed up too. So many different rumors it's hard to keep track of it all.
Post by: Billdos Uncle on September 16, 2014, 01:03:46 PM
Post by: westside bull on September 16, 2014, 01:33:18 PM
The waste rumor is from the other big west side bull, not the Barbour guided hunt. Too many big bulls this year, and people are getting the rumors mixed up.I heard that also!
Post by: combs338 on September 23, 2014, 07:47:37 AM
I heard from a good source that it was this bull.
:yeah:
Post by: TheHunt on September 23, 2014, 09:26:51 AM
Post by: BABackcountryBwhntr on September 23, 2014, 03:20:35 PM
Here is the picture before the big bull. Yes it is legal, yes it is a big bull, yes I would love to kill him.....but I would LOVE nothing more to do it on what I consider a more "level playing field".
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi57.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fg221%2Fbigsmooth35%2F84F7CF74-5703-47A8-B92D-B34826DDD6CF_zpshk9n6wic.jpg&hash=200cc3605711985068b763672f21774942f19d03) (http://s57.photobucket.com/user/bigsmooth35/media/84F7CF74-5703-47A8-B92D-B34826DDD6CF_zpshk9n6wic.jpg.html)
level field... HMM.. have you ever hunted deer/elk over bait jason?
Post by: JPhelps on September 23, 2014, 04:09:06 PM
I have no problem with the way it was harvested if it is legal. At this point I just have no desire to hunt over bait. Who knows it may change someday :dunno:
Post by: trophyhunt on September 23, 2014, 04:23:24 PM
THERE IS ALSO A RUMOR REGARDING THAT 388 BULL THAT IT WAS SHOT IN WATERSHED....WHY ARE U ALWAYS YELLING..... :chuckle:
Post by: bullfisher on September 23, 2014, 07:56:04 PM
Post by: jackelope on September 24, 2014, 12:44:56 PM
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.tapatalk.com%2Fd%2F14%2F09%2F25%2Fa7u6uze3.jpg&hash=72912460d7b276d2f37ce541cda0a909d2226c5f)
Post by: bobcat on September 24, 2014, 12:56:36 PM
Looks like he's having a good season so far. I wonder if Eva Shockey will be back?
Post by: haugenna on September 24, 2014, 01:24:55 PM
Post by: elkh8me on September 24, 2014, 01:47:07 PM
The waste rumor is from the other big west side bull, not the Barbour guided hunt. Too many big bulls this year, and people are getting the rumors mixed up.
absolutely not true
Post by: bobcat on September 24, 2014, 01:52:02 PM
The waste rumor is from the other big west side bull, not the Barbour guided hunt. Too many big bulls this year, and people are getting the rumors mixed up.
absolutely not true
What's the truth then, since you seem to know?
Post by: jackelope on September 24, 2014, 02:22:57 PM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on September 24, 2014, 03:49:32 PM
Post by: Come Get Some on September 26, 2014, 07:28:27 AM
Post by: DDarchery on October 14, 2014, 06:23:39 PM
Yes bullfisher their were picks of elk being packed, and yes that happened, no one claimed it was this elk though. Wait for this episode to air and find out the facts instead of just rumors. The meat was not bad from this bull or any bull brought out. In all there were 8 shots on elk this year, and a couple during archery season that came to full draw a couple times but couldn't get a shot......just like DIY hunting, it doesn't always work out. And whoever said earlier in the thread that when you think you have elk figured out, they will make you look stupid was absolutely right. I was there, got to visit with the shooter (Steve), the landowners, and even Jim and to read these outrageous posts and rumors/lies is just sad. To read some of these things that I personally KNOW are not true, just makes the posters look even worse. Stop letting jealousy of others (or dislike of others) turn into hateful post completely NOT based on fact! Whatever happened to congratulating someone on something nice, and if you can't say something nice, there's no need to say anything at all.
Post by: MikeC on October 14, 2014, 06:34:26 PM
Jealousy can make you all look so bitter.
Thanks for your contribution to this thread DD
Post by: bullfisher on October 15, 2014, 10:39:47 PM
Wow...where to start. Thank you to all the open minded hunters and sportsman here who congratulated a great guy, on his first ever WA bull elk, and if you go by the WA record book, his first Cascade Roosevelt. Steve was a great guy to visit with and talk to, and he was so excited and humbled to even put his hands on such a tremendous animal, as was I. To the haters, no you didn't see this from the highway..... seeing as this was a completely new spot never hunted before, and no you didn't see him all summer long or on trail camera because he just showed up to this property a couple days before season to kick a big 6 pt out who had a group of cows already! Some spots were set up with bait just for the younger hunters coming for their first ever elk, and for disabled hunters who had special needs. Some of them wanted a chance at a cow or spike bull. This area was not one of those!!!Trust is hard to gain and easy to lose, and unfortunatly for the lucky hunters any hunt accoiated with shane will be met with extreme skeptisism on this forum! Glad to hear some folks were happily successful with this outfitter. Maybe he's turned over a new leaf, but nobody on here is jealous of what he has done. I think some conversations get crossed from one animal or hunt to the next. I'd love to see the episode, but i cancled my huntin channels. They tend to ruin my perspective on what matters to me. Great first post :tup:
Yes bullfisher their were picks of elk being packed, and yes that happened, no one claimed it was this elk though. Wait for this episode to air and find out the facts instead of just rumors. The meat was not bad from this bull or any bull brought out. In all there were 8 shots on elk this year, and a couple during archery season that came to full draw a couple times but couldn't get a shot......just like DIY hunting, it doesn't always work out. And whoever said earlier in the thread that when you think you have elk figured out, they will make you look stupid was absolutely right. I was there, got to visit with the shooter (Steve), the landowners, and even Jim and to read these outrageous posts and rumors/lies is just sad. To read some of these things that I personally KNOW are not true, just makes the posters look even worse. Stop letting jealousy of others (or dislike of others) turn into hateful post completely NOT based on fact! Whatever happened to congratulating someone on something nice, and if you can't say something nice, there's no need to say anything at all.
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Post by: DDarchery on October 16, 2014, 01:56:42 PM
After reading through the posts the comments about Steve walking around bragging about his bull and thinking he's the greatest elk hunter ( I believe was the essence of that post), couldn't be further from the truth. He was such a down to earth guy and easy to talk to. To bash him, or Jim, because of peoples feelings about the outfitter is totally off base, that isn't fair to either of them or to that tremendous animal. He was very humble, grateful, and speechless sitting there looking at it. I just wanted to stop some of the misinformation that was getting more and more out of hand.
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