Post by: csaaphill on September 09, 2014, 02:26:53 AM
If you smoke and live in Oregon since not all on here live in washington please tell kitzhaber to go fly a kite.
http://www.oregonlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2014/08/your_voice_should_oregon_ban_s.html (http://www.oregonlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2014/08/your_voice_should_oregon_ban_s.html)
At the request of Gov. John Kitzhaber, the Oregon Parks and Recreation Department is exploring the possibility of banning smoking along all 362 miles of Pacific coast beaches.
A ban is one potential answer to the growing amount of litter piling up on state beaches during the past 15 years, department spokesman Chris Havel explained. Cigarette butts are the most common form of litter along the shoreline, and volunteers pick up tens of thousands of them each year.
There's also concern about forest fires — yes, they can happen even at the beach, Havel said. The reason: Driftwood gets extremely dry from sitting in the sun.
Kitzhaber's 2012 executive order requires the department to explore ways to limit smoking on the beaches, not necessarily ban it altogether. Parks and Recreation officials are scheduled to give their recommendation Nov. 17.
State officials are soliciting public comment about the possible ban through Aug. 29. As of Thursday, the state had received 108 emails from people weighing in.
The results were split:
•53 supported a ban
•55 opposed or had serious doubts about whether a ban is the right answer
Keep in mind, this isn't a scientific poll. Still, a wide variety of people responded. The vast majority were from Oregon, but vacationers from Washington, California and even as far away as Colorado wrote in.
The responses range from one-sentence notes to pages-long legal opinions, and from irate rants to respectful arguments.
Perhaps the most interesting thing we discovered: The majority of dissenters claimed to be nonsmokers but were disturbed by the government wanting to regulate beach activities. Or they think would be unenforceable.
Should Oregon ban smoking on the beach?
Yes
No
I like the idea, but it probably wouldn't work
Other (I'll explain in the comments section)
VoteView Results
After reviewing the emails, we chose excepts from five from each side to republish here
for anyone interested please follow a ling to tell him no on this!
Post by: bigtex on September 09, 2014, 07:56:56 AM
Perhaps the most interesting thing we discovered: The majority of dissenters claimed to be nonsmokers but were disturbed by the government wanting to regulate beach activities. Or they think would be unenforceable.
Not sure how it would be unenforceable. WA's public smoking law is pretty easy to enforce, someone in public that is smoking is in violation. The only flaw in WA's law is that the agency who contacts most violators, the Liquor Control Board, doesn't have the authority (yet) to enforce the law.
Post by: bobcat on September 09, 2014, 08:04:05 AM
Post by: Curly on September 09, 2014, 08:08:35 AM
Post by: Bob33 on September 09, 2014, 08:10:37 AM
please tell kitzhaber to go fly a kite.Beaches are better suited to flying a kite than smoking. The smokers can pound sand; that's also a better alternative.
Post by: Bean Counter on September 09, 2014, 08:26:48 AM
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on September 09, 2014, 08:52:30 AM
Post by: Mike450r on September 09, 2014, 09:01:44 AM
Post by: Skinnyguts on September 09, 2014, 08:13:12 PM
A Lot of nanny state responses here. :dunno: Progressives?? :chuckle:
:yeah:
Post by: SCRUBS on September 09, 2014, 08:25:02 PM
A Lot of nanny state responses here. :dunno: Progressives?? :chuckle:
:yeah:
:yeah: :yeah:
Post by: 7mmfan on September 09, 2014, 08:50:02 PM
A Lot of nanny state responses here. :dunno: Progressives?? :chuckle:
:yeah:
:yeah: :yeah:
I don't consider myself a "nanny" or a "progressive" and I absolutely HATE the smell of cigarette smoke and the sight of cigarette butts as litter. If you want to smoke, fine, smoke, but do it somewhere where I do not have to deal with it. You smoking around me forces me to deal with it and I don't appreciate it. Flicking your butt on the ground is an eye sore and a detriment to the environment (something which I hope everyone on a fishing and hunting forum is passionate about), not to mention illegal, so how is trying to enforce this viewed as nanny or progressive? Its called common decency. :twocents:
Post by: Bean Counter on September 09, 2014, 09:27:11 PM
Is it nanny state to make it illegal to shoot your gun straight up into the air in a crowded city? :mor:
Post by: Mike450r on September 09, 2014, 09:38:50 PM
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on September 09, 2014, 10:04:36 PM
Some responses sound similar to what an electric car owner may say to someone driving a truck. The argument that it may keep butts off the ground I can stomach, the clean air argument gets the same consideration as someone saying fossil fuel vehicles or outdoor burning should be banned. :mor::yeah:
Post by: csaaphill on September 09, 2014, 11:22:41 PM
If your a smoker and feel this is an infringement please do something about it!
If not then HOW ABOUT YOU GO POUND SAND!!!!!!!!
Post by: csaaphill on September 09, 2014, 11:47:38 PM
A Lot of nanny state responses here. :dunno: Progressives?? :chuckle::yeah:
Notice though; I didn't post this here for comment or anti this or anti that just if you smoke and tired of people telling you where and when you can then do something!
I have!
Post by: Curly on September 10, 2014, 05:54:06 AM
Post on a forum, but don't want discussion?A Lot of nanny state responses here. :dunno: Progressives?? :chuckle::yeah:
Notice though; I didn't post this here for comment or anti this or anti that just if you smoke and tired of people telling you where and when you can then do something!
I have!
Post by: Bean Counter on September 10, 2014, 06:19:33 AM
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Post by: bobcat on September 10, 2014, 06:31:58 AM
I only want to hear from those who agree with me... :dunno:
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:lol4: :tup:
Post by: Brute on September 10, 2014, 07:07:29 AM
It just like the seat belt law, banning lead bullets , and shoving wolves down our throats. When is enough enough???? :dunno: :bash:
Post by: Buzz2401 on September 10, 2014, 08:08:21 AM
Post by: rtspring on September 10, 2014, 08:21:28 AM
You non smokers can go pound sand!! Why do the smokers have to go elsewhere? Take your body elsewhere! Why must I give up my right cause you dont like the smell of smoke? To frickin bad!
We can all jump on the litter part banwagon all day long! Think that will keep the beaches clean? Not hardly.
You eat a fatty steak that can give you heart disease? So dont go the health route with me neither!!! Ive smoked most of my life and can climb any mountain a non smoker can.. I also run 3-5 miles a day!
You could very well be run over by a car trying to cross the street! Its my body, I can do with it what I want..
So take your propoganda elsewhere.. I dont force smokes on you, so dont try to force us that do to quit..
Post by: rtspring on September 10, 2014, 08:23:28 AM
please tell kitzhaber to go fly a kite.Beaches are better suited to flying a kite than smoking. The smokers can pound sand; that's also a better alternative.
Another great comment from a mod.... Pound sand???
Post by: bobcat on September 10, 2014, 08:40:40 AM
Plus we don't like to see your butts all over the ground. :tup:
Post by: Bob33 on September 10, 2014, 08:45:03 AM
please tell kitzhaber to go fly a kite.Beaches are better suited to flying a kite than smoking. The smokers can pound sand; that's also a better alternative.
Another great comment from a mod.... Pound sand???
Beaches...sand. Some miss the obvious. ;)
Post by: rtspring on September 10, 2014, 08:55:29 AM
Rtspring, you'll live longer if you quit smoking today. Just think of all those extra years of elk hunting you'll get! ;)
Plus we don't like to see your butts all over the ground. :tup:
Actually I am one of a very few that put the butts in my pocket.. Im always finding them in the dang washer..
Post by: Holg3107 on September 10, 2014, 08:59:18 AM
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Here we go!!
You non smokers can go pound sand!! Why do the smokers have to go elsewhere? Take your body elsewhere! Why must I give up my right cause you dont like the smell of smoke? To frickin bad!
We can all jump on the litter part banwagon all day long! Think that will keep the beaches clean? Not hardly.
You eat a fatty steak that can give you heart disease? So dont go the health route with me neither!!! Ive smoked most of my life and can climb any mountain a non smoker can.. I also run 3-5 miles a day!
You could very well be run over by a car trying to cross the street! Its my body, I can do with it what I want..
So take your propoganda elsewhere.. I dont force smokes on you, so dont try to force us that do to quit..
I have to disagree with you RT. Every time a smoker lights up in public you are forcing it on those around you, then when you throw your butts on the ground you are again forcing it on those around you. No one is forcing any smokers to quite. Just do it on your own time in a private place. I wish smoking had similar public usage laws that alcohol and marijuana have. Feel free to do it just not in public. :two cents:
Oh and csaaphill, good luck keeping non-smokers out of the conversation.
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on September 10, 2014, 09:04:46 AM
Post by: bobcat on September 10, 2014, 09:08:52 AM
Post by: JimmyHoffa on September 10, 2014, 09:14:48 AM
Back in the day, you just told the smoker it was bothering you and they would move a few feet so the smoke went past you.
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on September 10, 2014, 09:17:14 AM
Post by: wildmanoutdoors on September 10, 2014, 09:20:22 AM
I believe that if you smoke you have 2 obligations, dont do it were it bothers others and dont throw butts on the ground or in the water when fishing and such.
Its easy and common sence.
Now as far as beaches and litter are concerned, lets target the fishing boats offshore as thats were most trash is generated on a beach.
Post by: bobcat on September 10, 2014, 09:25:13 AM
Is the problem at the campgrounds by the beach where people have campfires? Oregon beaches are usually so windy I can't imagine the smoke from a cigarette really being that bad. :dunno: It usually burns them down in a minute anyways, assuming it can get lit.
Back in the day, you just told the smoker it was bothering you and they would move a few feet so the smoke went past you.
Apparently the smoke isn't the issue, but the litter on the beach is.
Post by: rtspring on September 10, 2014, 09:26:35 AM
Post by: wildmanoutdoors on September 10, 2014, 09:29:42 AM
Its a nasty habit, but so is whiping your arse and no one is banning that..
You do that in public? :yike:
Post by: Mike450r on September 10, 2014, 09:32:49 AM
Its a nasty habit, but so is whiping your arse and no one is banning that..
I would have to disagree and say that not wiping would be the nasty habit.
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on September 10, 2014, 09:36:29 AM
Post by: rtspring on September 10, 2014, 09:37:43 AM
Hey rt the grammar police want another "P"
Whipping
Post by: bobcat on September 10, 2014, 09:38:43 AM
Post by: JimmyHoffa on September 10, 2014, 09:39:35 AM
And they already have laws for littering and for throwing out burning objects. Seems they could just enforce those.Is the problem at the campgrounds by the beach where people have campfires? Oregon beaches are usually so windy I can't imagine the smoke from a cigarette really being that bad. :dunno: It usually burns them down in a minute anyways, assuming it can get lit.
Back in the day, you just told the smoker it was bothering you and they would move a few feet so the smoke went past you.
Apparently the smoke isn't the issue, but the litter on the beach is.
Post by: csaaphill on September 12, 2014, 05:48:31 PM
Here we go!!
You non smokers can go pound sand!! Why do the smokers have to go elsewhere? Take your body elsewhere! Why must I give up my right cause you dont like the smell of smoke? To frickin bad!
We can all jump on the litter part banwagon all day long! Think that will keep the beaches clean? Not hardly.
You eat a fatty steak that can give you heart disease? So dont go the health route with me neither!!! Ive smoked most of my life and can climb any mountain a non smoker can.. I also run 3-5 miles a day!
You could very well be run over by a car trying to cross the street! Its my body, I can do with it what I want..
So take your propoganda elsewhere.. I dont force smokes on you, so dont try to force us that do to quit..
:yeah:
i agree RT if your an oregon residnet then voice your opinion to the legislatures and whoever else in ctrl over this if not tell them anyways.
Im mad as hell about these kinds of things too! wish more would stand up with us instead of just think it's the right thing to do and roll over!
Post by: JJB11B on September 12, 2014, 06:01:35 PM
EDIT**I also am very aware of the wind direction and my proximity to other people when smokeing and will walk away from people a good distance and down wind to smoke.
Post by: Atroxus on September 12, 2014, 09:00:57 PM
Is the problem at the campgrounds by the beach where people have campfires? Oregon beaches are usually so windy I can't imagine the smoke from a cigarette really being that bad. :dunno: It usually burns them down in a minute anyways, assuming it can get lit.
Back in the day, you just told the smoker it was bothering you and they would move a few feet so the smoke went past you.
Apparently the smoke isn't the issue, but the litter on the beach is.
And they already have laws for littering and for throwing out burning objects. Seems they could just enforce those.
:yeah: I used to smoke...quit about 15 or so years ago, and can't stand the smell anymore....but I agree. We don't need more new laws. Just need to enforce the existing laws against litter and throwing out burning objects.
Post by: hrd2fnd on September 12, 2014, 10:27:27 PM
Thats funny! Im a smoker. I also throw my butts away. No matter where I am. I guess Ill go pound sand:yeah:
EDIT**I also am very aware of the wind direction and my proximity to other people when smokeing and will walk away from people a good distance and down wind to smoke.
Post by: csaaphill on September 13, 2014, 01:10:02 AM
I do that a lot too while hunting at least especially on feel free to hunt land. I have no issues with picking up cigarette butts but will be damned If I'll sit by and let anti smokers, anti hunters animal rights and gunners all the same to me.Rtspring, you'll live longer if you quit smoking today. Just think of all those extra years of elk hunting you'll get! ;)
Plus we don't like to see your butts all over the ground. :tup:
Actually I am one of a very few that put the butts in my pocket.. Im always finding them in the dang washer..