Post by: offdahook on September 10, 2014, 11:20:56 AM
Post by: wildmanoutdoors on September 10, 2014, 11:51:46 AM
Post by: Band on September 11, 2014, 09:01:00 PM
Post by: SeaRun1 on September 11, 2014, 09:13:58 PM
Post by: varminthunter09 on September 12, 2014, 12:17:07 AM
Post by: L-ofalab on September 12, 2014, 06:30:26 AM
Correct me if I am wrong but isn't the daily limit on that river 2 adult (king/coho)?
2 for the guy holding fish and 2 for the guy with a camera?
Post by: kodiak 907 on September 12, 2014, 06:50:36 AM
Friday Funny:
Why does snoop dog carry an umbrella?
For Drizzle.
Post by: singleshot12 on September 12, 2014, 08:07:29 AM
Don't post negative stuff about this guy. The moderators just remove it. they seem to like this guy. just my :twocents:
Yeah why is that? :dunno: What's the world coming to? :bash: Huntingwashington should ban these yo yo's just like they should be banned from the river :twocents:
Post by: Gobble Doc on September 12, 2014, 08:09:22 AM
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on September 12, 2014, 08:24:33 AM
He doesn't call people names, I don't think any of his posts have "censored" show up in them because he used a cuss word.
He doesn't make fun of people or insult them.
Yes, his posts can be tiring to read or decifer at times, but I do enjoy seeing the pictures of his fish.
Post by: thegeneral on September 12, 2014, 09:07:01 AM
Post by: LongTatLaw on September 12, 2014, 09:17:19 AM
We have enough attacks from non-sportsmen...lets slow our roll on fellow legal sportsmen guys.
-dave
Post by: ctwiggs1 on September 12, 2014, 09:27:28 AM
Post by: LongTatLaw on September 12, 2014, 09:47:07 AM
A common technique of his and a million other fishermen in the state.
perfectly legal.
Ive done it myself from time to time.
And its why soooooo many people bash this guy on this site.
But funny...I point out that people shouldnt bash him...and you think Im bashing him??
Post by: Band on September 12, 2014, 10:00:10 AM
And its why soooooo many people bash this guy on this site.I think that is only part of it. The bigger issue for me is the obvious communication problem. Personally, I think it's more of a language barrier than poor education but it can be frustrating when a person is so lazy in communicating that we all have to guess what he's even trying to say. I'm sure he doesn't communicate nearly as effectively in English as most people but for god's sake, at least give it some effort. :twocents:
This frustration for me is reminiscent of a high school-aged kid a few years ago with the communication skills of a 2nd grader (at best) who told us how jazzed he was that his dad was letting him take a week off school to go hunting.
Post by: runamuk on September 12, 2014, 10:17:34 AM
Don't post negative stuff about this guy. The moderators just remove it. they seem to like this guy. just my :twocents:
Yeah why is that? :dunno: What's the world coming to? :bash: Huntingwashington should ban these yo yo's just like they should be banned from the river :twocents:
because we have lots of people who legally deal with illegal activity on the boards and negativity isnt really going to stop bad behavior just feeds it.
I simply dont understand what he is saying because of text speak and gibberish the fish he posts are delicious looking. People do not need to consult MLA or APA to share a good fish.
Post by: billythekidrock on September 12, 2014, 10:18:57 AM
Why should he be banned? Because of how he choses to write? Maybe he talks that way all the time or maybe it is just for the internet, unless you know him personally, it is all speculation.
He doesn't call people names, I don't think any of his posts have "censored" show up in them because he used a cuss word.
He doesn't make fun of people or insult them.
Yes, his posts can be tiring to read or decifer at times, but I do enjoy seeing the pictures of his fish.
I agree.
Not my fav topics to read but he isn't hurting anyone.
For those who have called for his ban or saying that he drags the site down (in other threads)...just know that we have had the same requests for a couple of you in the past. But we try to give everyone the benefit of the doubt.
No one is forcing anyone to read the posts. If you don't like it, don't read it or put the member on your ignore list.
Post by: boneaddict on September 12, 2014, 10:36:20 AM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on September 12, 2014, 10:46:49 AM
Post by: gr8whthunter on September 12, 2014, 11:31:16 AM
Post by: Band on September 12, 2014, 11:51:46 AM
since when did a corky, yarn and smelly jelly mean someone is flossing? thats what i fish with and im by no means flossing... now a trebble hook and a buzz bomb that would be flossingThe Puyallup is a flossery all the way. It's legal and I've done it myself so I'm not going to knock it. But anyone who thinks salmon fishing in 1-2" water visibility by drifting an 8' leader across the Puyallup entices fish to bite clearly is not aware of how this fishery works. That rig does nothing more than floss the gaping mouths of salmon swimming up the river and hooking them. The fish are completely unaware of the rig until it hooks them. Color of the corkie and the additional of smelly jelly don't matter one bit.
Post by: ctwiggs1 on September 12, 2014, 11:55:00 AM
Post by: thegeneral on September 12, 2014, 12:57:22 PM
Post by: Alchase on September 12, 2014, 01:01:08 PM
since when did a corky, yarn and smelly jelly mean someone is flossing? thats what i fish with and im by no means flossing... now a trebble hook and a buzz bomb that would be flossingThe Puyallup is a flossery all the way. It's legal and I've done it myself so I'm not going to knock it. But anyone who thinks salmon fishing in 1-2" water visibility by drifting an 8' leader across the Puyallup entices fish to bite clearly is not aware of how this fishery works. That rig does nothing more than floss the gaping mouths of salmon swimming up the river and hooking them. The fish are completely unaware of the rig until it hooks them. Color of the corkie and the additional of smelly jelly don't matter one bit.
I disagree,
I have fished the Puyallup for many years, though lately not as often as I use to. I do not care for the "pink" crowd as I call them. It seems the pink runs bring out the worst in fisherman. They leave trash everywhere and are generally rude.
Yes, there are flossers on the Puyallup just like any other river.
If you think color makes no difference or that the fish can't see it?
I believe you are dead wrong.
Last time I was down there with my dog at the Alderton bridge, I watched a young kid working a Dick Night in close to the rocks with a light action rod. He picked up two nice silvers doing a slow retrieve literally within feet of the bank.
Myself, I have never caught a salmon or a Steel Head while drift fishing on the Puyallup, that was not hooked in the mouth.
Heck, we use to plunk the Puyallup down by the scales. How can you catch fish plunking if they do not hit it?
Or is that also considered flossing "because it was on the Puyallup"?
I have never needed a leader longer then 6 ft. The leaders I fish with are usually between 24 - 48 inches in length. Though I have not plunked in years, when I use to plunk, fishing a deeper hole I might go to a longer leader around 5 to 6 feet depending on the lure or bait.
Do a google search "rigging for river stealhead" or "rigging for river salmon" the leader lengths are all over the place depending on how or where people fish, not many over ten feet though, LOL.
It might be a good bet if someone is fishing a leader ten or more feet, he might be a flosser.
A better way to tell is the "Snagging Hook Set" at the tail run of every drift, which will pull the leader into the side (outside) of the mouth.
Most people I see fishing the Puyallup, do not do the "Snagging hook set", they retrieve just like people do on the Snoqualmie, Chehalis, the Sky, any other river.
Notice I said "most".
And the "Snagging Hook Set" can be seen on any river in the state.
Been to the Skok lately?
Post by: singleshot12 on September 12, 2014, 01:27:50 PM
Yeah sorry I am not going to judge that. It's bringing in big dollars for the outdoors stores and honestly who cares? So long as they're fishing legally I'm fine with it. This is like an archery hunter getting mad at all the compound bow users.
No not to judge flossing because flossing is an art which takes years to master :chuckle: Who cares how he gets his two fish and goes home :dunno:
Not to sound judmental or anything :rolleyes: but aren't folks like ODH usually the belligerent type that ruin a fishery for everyone :dunno:
Post by: Rick on September 12, 2014, 01:32:16 PM
The Puyallup is a flossery all the way. It's legal and I've done it myself so I'm not going to knock it.
The state defines snagging as attempting to take a fish with a hook and line in such a way that the fish does not voluntarily take the hook in its mouth.
So explain to me how flossing is legal.
Post by: thegeneral on September 12, 2014, 03:32:25 PM
Post by: Rick on September 12, 2014, 04:35:19 PM
In freshwater, it is illegal to possess any fish hooked anywhere other than inside the mouth[/color] or on the head.[/color] And here is the rest of how they define snagging.
I purposely left that part out. It doesn't matter if the fish is hooked outside the mouth or on the head (as happens when they're flossed)
A flossed fish has not voluntarily taken the hook into it's mouth. Once again,explain to me how flossing isn't snagging.
But I wouldn't expect any less than for another troll from Gamefishin' to defend ODH's poaching/snagging.
Post by: plugger on September 12, 2014, 05:42:08 PM
Post by: JJB11B on September 12, 2014, 05:55:38 PM
No its the elitist snobs that bash everyone that dresses differently talks differently or doesnt use sage fly rods that ruin fisheries to me. He catches his fish has a blast doing it and loves to share it. If you dont like his posts quit reading them and for Gods sake quit B*tching about him. He has just as much of a right to legally catch his limit and share on this board as anyone else.Yeah sorry I am not going to judge that. It's bringing in big dollars for the outdoors stores and honestly who cares? So long as they're fishing legally I'm fine with it. This is like an archery hunter getting mad at all the compound bow users.
No not to judge flossing because flossing is an art which takes years to master :chuckle: Who cares how he gets his two fish and goes home :dunno:
Not to sound judmental or anything :rolleyes: but aren't folks like ODH usually the belligerent type that ruin a fishery for everyone :dunno:
Post by: gaddy on September 12, 2014, 06:03:05 PM
Post by: BigGoonTuna on September 12, 2014, 07:54:47 PM
but, given that flossing is legal in this state...nope, wrong there:
-dave
Gear Rules
You May Not:
Snag or attempt to snag fish.
Snagging is defined as:
Attempting to take fish with a hook
and line in such a way that the fish does not
voluntarily take the hook(s) in its mouth. In
freshwater, it is illegal to possess any fish
hooked anywhere other than inside the mouth or
on the head.
in other words, if you aren't fishing for bites, you aren't fishing legally. i get that it's hard to prove, but it ain't hard to do it the right way, at least if you're willing to learn how.
Post by: JODakota on September 12, 2014, 07:57:47 PM
Post by: Band on September 12, 2014, 08:29:17 PM
Maybe a better question is whether anyone has been cited for flossing. Not that I've ever heard and thousand of people do it.
The Puyallup is a flossery all the way. It's legal and I've done it myself so I'm not going to knock it.
The state defines snagging as attempting to take a fish with a hook and line in such a way that the fish does not voluntarily take the hook in its mouth.
So explain to me how flossing is legal.
Post by: Crunchy on September 12, 2014, 08:46:58 PM
How do you know he's flossing?
Flossing is more clear when you look at the length of the leader. If someone thinks that those kings, cohos, and pinks are actually eating the corkie and yarn combo then they should only be fishing a 1-2 foot long leader. Just that simple.
Post by: JJB11B on September 12, 2014, 08:49:54 PM
Post by: jay.sharkbait on September 12, 2014, 09:08:05 PM
Post by: Crunchy on September 12, 2014, 09:12:43 PM
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on September 12, 2014, 09:14:11 PM
Im a flosser and proud of it. I just dont mislead anyone about it.
I bet your dentist is proud of your clean teeth! :chuckle:
Post by: Bullkllr on September 13, 2014, 12:37:47 AM
1. The visibility in the Puyallup when the weather is warm is literally nil. I'm sure a few fish could be enticed to biting a big wrapped quickfish or a gob of eggs if you hit them in the face with it. The long leader is realistically the only way very many fish are going to get harvested. Shorter leaders line fish too, just not as efficiently. Would you rather have them pile up in the hatchery pond, turn black, and get sold to a rendering plant?
2. Gray river = gray area :dunno: It's not like he's the only one doing it. Guess we better just lobby to shut the whole fishery down...? I have fished the Puyallup for close to 45 years. Sometimes it still freaks me out to see the crowds during salmon runs. But at this point- it is what it is- at least people are enjoying an easily accessible resource.
3. I believe it is probable that a fairly high % of fish caught side-drifting with typical longish leaders are lined. Same claim could apply to flyfishing when numbers of salmon are present. Dick Nites on longish leaders are very popular in many rivers, and make a fairly efficient lining rig also.
4. Lining (or flossing as has become popular) involves no more of a hookset (or attempt to snag) than reacting to an actual bite. Developing the feel for it actually takes a good degree of touch. Fish are hooked in the jaw, typically on the far side of the mouth from the outside in. Legal to keep by the law.
5. This guy's verbage may be on the different side, and his pics could use some work, but I see no harm he's caused. His posts have been the liveliest thing in the fishing section for quite awhile.
Post by: varminthunter09 on September 13, 2014, 12:42:06 AM
Post by: singleshot12 on September 13, 2014, 12:10:23 PM
Yes, singleshot12, they are. I see people like him all the time, and it sickens me that they get away with it. Both fishing violations and just general BS. I saw a drift boat on the river last winter drop 4 safeway bags full of mt beer cans into the water and bonk a native. They are out there and are getting away with it. Sad, legal and ethical sportsmen pay for it. :bash:
Finally someone else see's the light :tup: Anyone who has fished the rivers long enough know the type and can recognize them a mile away,tongue out smack talk and all. I don't care if people floss as long as they keep their limit move on and let the next fisherperson in.
All I know is I can't count how many fishin holes that have been closed off due to slob fisherpeople.
Post by: hooker on September 13, 2014, 12:47:28 PM
I used to snag with a corky and warn in the Green and North Fork Toutle, kalama rivers. 6 fish coho limits for everyone and the thousands that make it past everyone and can't be used in an allready full hatchery go to dog food. lol I always wished the leftovers would be canned and sent to poor or struggling families.. Suppose dogs gotta eat too.
But really? All you guys have that high of a moral standard that you look down upon a guy flossin dogfood? Give me a break. laffin
By the way, will all you all stop being filthy pigs and clean your gear and trash up off the river banks and when all you "Morally Righteous" are done shooting and with target practice in the hills. Pick your trash up, I'm tired of cleaning up all your *censored*.
(please avoid using profanity)
Post by: jay.sharkbait on September 13, 2014, 01:04:12 PM
Yes, singleshot12, they are. I see people like him all the time, and it sickens me that they get away with it. Both fishing violations and just general BS. I saw a drift boat on the river last winter drop 4 safeway bags full of mt beer cans into the water and bonk a native. They are out there and are getting away with it. Sad, legal and ethical sportsmen pay for it. :bash:
Finally someone else see's the light :tup: Anyone who has fished the rivers long enough know the type and can recognize them a mile away,tongue out smack talk and all. I don't care if people floss as long as they keep their limit move on and let the next fisherperson in.
All I know is I can't count how many fishin holes that have been closed off due to slob fisherpeople.
Fisherperson? Fisherpeople?
Really? :puke:
Post by: Bullkllr on September 13, 2014, 01:19:12 PM
Post by: Bigshooter on September 13, 2014, 01:37:58 PM
Oh the morality of it all.. Most of the guys pissin and moaning about a lil flossing don't walk on water. Most prolly watch porn, use illegal drugs, cheat on their wives but are gonna crucify a guy snaggin some salmon for the freezer or a canning jar. LMAO
I used to snag with a corky and warn in the Green and North Fork Toutle, kalama rivers. 6 fish coho limits for everyone and the thousands that make it past everyone and can't be used in an allready full hatchery go to dog food. lol I always wished the leftovers would be canned and sent to poor or struggling families.. Suppose dogs gotta eat too.
But really? All you guys have that high of a moral standard that you look down upon a guy flossin dogfood? Give me a break. laffin
By the way, will all you all stop being filthy pigs and clean your gear and trash up off the river banks and when all you "Morally Righteous" are done shooting and with target practice in the hills. Pick your trash up, I'm tired of cleaning up all your *censored*.
(please avoid using profanity)
You nailed it. I have never understood why people get worked up about flossing hatchery fish. It makes no sense to me.
Post by: Rick on September 13, 2014, 08:29:14 PM
You nailed it. I have never understood why people get worked up about flossing hatchery fish. It makes no sense to me.
I get worked up because it friggin' POACHING!
The guys lining/flossing/etc, are snagging fish,and that POACHING!
Its only a lowly Coho,so nobody cares. News flash people, ITS FRIGGIN' POACHING!
Post by: Bullkllr on September 13, 2014, 09:15:16 PM
You nailed it. I have never understood why people get worked up about flossing hatchery fish. It makes no sense to me.
I get worked up because it friggin' POACHING!
The guys lining/flossing/etc, are snagging fish,and that POACHING!
Its only a lowly Coho,so nobody cares. News flash people, ITS FRIGGIN' POACHING!
So, you'd rather see the fish pile up in the hatchery and get sent to the rendering plant?
I'm not as sure as you are that it's poaching. Gear is all legal. A fish could bite it. By the letter of the law it is legal to retain the fish hooked in the head. Many would have difficulty telling from the hook position if the fish was lined or not- sometimes it may be impossible. Could you say you were trying to get one to bite and just happened to line one in the process? Since the rest is obviously legal, it's the intent that is the obvious gray area here (and that may be impossible to prove).
I challenge anyone to go to the Puyallup tomorrow (it will have basically zero visibility) and hook fish that you can say beyond a shadow of a doubt were not flossed. Any takers?
Post by: Soady on September 13, 2014, 09:38:58 PM
Might as well just kick a few thousand fishers off the rivers! Start there take it to the Carbon, run it on down to the Nisqually clean those flossers out. Dang poachers! Don't stop there!
Keep posting ODH :hello: <'(((((< >)))))'>
Post by: 206 on September 14, 2014, 06:34:41 AM
Long live CrayKang
Post by: cohoho on September 14, 2014, 07:16:38 AM
Post by: Bigshooter on September 14, 2014, 10:17:06 AM
You nailed it. I have never understood why people get worked up about flossing hatchery fish. It makes no sense to me.
I get worked up because it friggin' POACHING!
The guys lining/flossing/etc, are snagging fish,and that POACHING!
Its only a lowly Coho,so nobody cares. News flash people, ITS FRIGGIN' POACHING!
They're hatchery fish. If they are not caught in the river then they are turned into dog food. Seems better to enjoy flossing them than letting them get turned into dog food. And flossing is LEGAL so it's not poaching.
Post by: JJB11B on September 14, 2014, 02:38:17 PM
I have more respect for this guy than any of the fart dust ethics hall monitors here..I second that
Post by: thegeneral on September 14, 2014, 03:38:15 PM
They're hatchery fish. If they are not caught in the river then they are turned into dog food. Seems better to enjoy flossing them than letting them get turned into dog food. And flossing is LEGAL so it's not poaching.
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All hatchery fish must die, keep up the good work ODH.
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on September 14, 2014, 04:21:33 PM
Post by: JJB11B on September 14, 2014, 04:47:47 PM
Post by: jnevs23 on September 14, 2014, 06:35:36 PM
Post by: HunterStrait on September 14, 2014, 08:20:37 PM
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There has to be something better to get pissed off about
Wolves :chuckle:
Post by: Alchase on September 14, 2014, 08:27:35 PM
Jeez did I miss something? All I saw was pics of some nice fish and some suspect English skills. To be honest I have reread a lot of post on huntwa to figure out what the heck someone is trying to say because of terrible English. Not sure how those pics and his post make him flosser, poacher, litter bug who's getting rivers and somehow shooting spots shutdown. There has to be something better to get pissed off about
Just this:
The Puyallup fish can't see, except the few thousands caught in the mouth.
Everyone on the puyallup is a flossed,
No they are not
Yes they are
Flossing is not illegal
Yes it is, flossing is snagging
no it not
Snagging is using a lure loaded with trebles and ripped over the fish
Flossing is poaching
No it
They are hatchery fish going to the dog food maker
Good kill all hatchery fish
Now we have master fisher people that have to accompany all fisher uh dudes
But no one knows if those fish were flossed
On the puyallup, had to be
No they don't
I think that about sums it up
So no you did not miss a thing
LOL
Post by: JJB11B on September 14, 2014, 08:30:02 PM
you forgot about bashing the OPJeez did I miss something? All I saw was pics of some nice fish and some suspect English skills. To be honest I have reread a lot of post on huntwa to figure out what the heck someone is trying to say because of terrible English. Not sure how those pics and his post make him flosser, poacher, litter bug who's getting rivers and somehow shooting spots shutdown. There has to be something better to get pissed off about
Just this:
The Puyallup fish can't see, except the few thousands caught in the mouth.
Everyone on the puyallup is a flossed,
No they are not
Yes they are
Flossing is not illegal
Yes it is, flossing is snagging
no it not
Snagging is using a lure loaded with trebles and ripped over the fish
Flossing is poaching
No it
They are hatchery fish going to the dog food maker
Good kill all hatchery fish
Now we have master fisher people that have to accompany all fisher uh dudes
But no one knows if those fish were flossed
On the puyallup, had to be
No they don't
I think that about sums it up
So no you did not miss a thing
LOL
Post by: Bullkllr on September 14, 2014, 08:45:47 PM
you forgot about bashing the OPJeez did I miss something? All I saw was pics of some nice fish and some suspect English skills. To be honest I have reread a lot of post on huntwa to figure out what the heck someone is trying to say because of terrible English. Not sure how those pics and his post make him flosser, poacher, litter bug who's getting rivers and somehow shooting spots shutdown. There has to be something better to get pissed off about
Just this:
The Puyallup fish can't see, except the few thousands caught in the mouth.
Everyone on the puyallup is a flossed,
No they are not
Yes they are
Flossing is not illegal
Yes it is, flossing is snagging
no it not
Snagging is using a lure loaded with trebles and ripped over the fish
Flossing is poaching
No it
They are hatchery fish going to the dog food maker
Good kill all hatchery fish
Now we have master fisher people that have to accompany all fisher uh dudes
But no one knows if those fish were flossed
On the puyallup, had to be
No they don't
I think that about sums it up
So no you did not miss a thing
LOL
And that's where it all started, and probably should have ended.
Post by: KFhunter on September 14, 2014, 09:10:19 PM
since when did a corky, yarn and smelly jelly mean someone is flossing? thats what i fish with and im by no means flossing... now a trebble hook and a buzz bomb that would be flossingThe Puyallup is a flossery all the way. It's legal and I've done it myself so I'm not going to knock it. But anyone who thinks salmon fishing in 1-2" water visibility by drifting an 8' leader across the Puyallup entices fish to bite clearly is not aware of how this fishery works. That rig does nothing more than floss the gaping mouths of salmon swimming up the river and hooking them. The fish are completely unaware of the rig until it hooks them. Color of the corkie and the additional of smelly jelly don't matter one bit.
My personal opinion is that flossing = snagging, the intent is to snag the fish in a manner that appears legal; thereby getting around existing law.
It's almost impossible to prove intent unless you willingly admit you're a flosser/snagger. We have several admitting illegal activity on this thread now :chuckle:
The question is should flossing be made legal? Snagging is already illegal as we all know, but should a method of snagging be made legal (flossing) ??
Post by: Bullkllr on September 14, 2014, 09:16:22 PM
The fact that the intent is basically impossible to prove makes application of the current law almost unenforceable, so in practicality- it is legal.since when did a corky, yarn and smelly jelly mean someone is flossing? thats what i fish with and im by no means flossing... now a trebble hook and a buzz bomb that would be flossingThe Puyallup is a flossery all the way. It's legal and I've done it myself so I'm not going to knock it. But anyone who thinks salmon fishing in 1-2" water visibility by drifting an 8' leader across the Puyallup entices fish to bite clearly is not aware of how this fishery works. That rig does nothing more than floss the gaping mouths of salmon swimming up the river and hooking them. The fish are completely unaware of the rig until it hooks them. Color of the corkie and the additional of smelly jelly don't matter one bit.
My personal opinion is that flossing = snagging, the intent is to snag the fish in a manner that appears legal; thereby getting around existing law.
It's almost impossible to prove intent unless you willingly admit you're a flosser/snagger. We have several admitting illegal activity on this thread now :chuckle:
The question is should flossing be made legal? Snagging is already illegal as we all know, but should a method of snagging be made legal (flossing) ??
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on September 14, 2014, 09:17:35 PM
Post by: jnevs23 on September 14, 2014, 09:19:38 PM
Post by: JJB11B on September 14, 2014, 09:21:12 PM
yawn...wake me up when he has a flashlight strapped to his rod and he is fishing the c postBigfoot already fishes c post
Post by: jnevs23 on September 14, 2014, 09:59:35 PM
Post by: wildmanoutdoors on September 15, 2014, 07:26:34 AM
:chuckle:
Post by: singleshot12 on September 15, 2014, 07:40:59 AM
Post by: bullcanyon on September 15, 2014, 07:56:08 AM
Post by: h20hunter on September 15, 2014, 08:15:45 AM
This place is more pathetic than General Hospital. Must be all the tag soup a bunch of people are eating.....
:cryriver:
Post by: Alchase on September 15, 2014, 08:44:42 AM
yawn...wake me up when he has a flashlight strapped to his rod and he is fishing the c post
You forgot "lighted eyelets" I hear they are all the rage. :chuckle:
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on September 15, 2014, 08:50:21 PM
yawn...wake me up when he has a flashlight strapped to his rod and he is fishing the c post
You forgot "lighted eyelets" I hear they are all the rage. :chuckle:
Lighted eyelets! :yike:
What next tracer rounds for rifles. :o
Or lighted knocks. :chuckle:
Post by: JJB11B on September 15, 2014, 08:54:39 PM
Fiber Optic fishing lineyawn...wake me up when he has a flashlight strapped to his rod and he is fishing the c post
You forgot "lighted eyelets" I hear they are all the rage. :chuckle:
Lighted eyelets! :yike:
What next tracer rounds for rifles. :o
Or lighted knocks. :chuckle:
Post by: Alchase on September 16, 2014, 12:19:08 PM
Fiber Optic fishing lineyawn...wake me up when he has a flashlight strapped to his rod and he is fishing the c post
You forgot "lighted eyelets" I hear they are all the rage. :chuckle:
Lighted eyelets! :yike:
What next tracer rounds for rifles. :o
Or lighted knocks. :chuckle:
Now your talkin!
I use that bright green flourescent line so I can tell when my wife's line is about to go into the prop, lighted line would be even better :tup:
:chuckle:
Post by: Kc_Kracker on September 16, 2014, 06:33:45 PM
Post by: Dan-o on September 16, 2014, 06:55:06 PM
He hasn't called anyone names.
Post by: Bullkllr on September 16, 2014, 07:26:41 PM
a post fl of hypocrites, calling yourself sportsmen, you pretend to be so by the rules when it comes to hunting poachers, but you openly support flossers and say leave him alone it takes skill. illegal is illegal. snagging is snagging. sickening to see all these hypocrites, what a bunch of fake sportsmen i see coming out if the woodwork :puke: take it how ya like i dont care 2 spits :stup: :mor: :lol4:
Well, the fact that it is legal (as long as you didn't try to do it) and it happens accidentally all the time (even if you're not trying to) kinda complicates the matter, so...
And I don't know this guy except from a couple pictures of fish, so...
Post by: Kc_Kracker on September 16, 2014, 07:40:29 PM
Post by: FC on September 16, 2014, 07:48:30 PM
no flossing is not legal. learn the regs if you think it is.
You are arguing something that cannot even be proven. If someone hooks a fish inside the mouth but swears he felt it bite it is ok while the guy who says he felt the fish shake its head when it blundered into the line much like you or I do into a spider's web hooks it inside the mouth is a dirty nasty poacher that shouldn't be allowed to live free or fish bla bla bla. I would be willing to bet that 90+% of the salmon caught in rivers are "flossed". The difference is whether or not the person catching the fish is actually experienced enough to know the difference! Hooked in the mouth is hooked in the mouth, sportsmen need to stop picking nits with each other.
Post by: thegeneral on September 16, 2014, 08:22:44 PM
Post by: Soady on September 16, 2014, 08:25:04 PM
Thank you!
Post by: jay.sharkbait on September 16, 2014, 08:25:46 PM
I nominate ODH for Fishing Board Moderator.
He hasn't called anyone names.
2nd
Post by: thegeneral on September 16, 2014, 08:27:58 PM
So prove to me that anyone has ever landed a fish that you can prove took the hook voluntarily. What a crazy law. All hatchery fish must die.
Post by: thegeneral on September 16, 2014, 08:29:32 PM
I nominate ODH for Fishing Board Moderator.
He hasn't called anyone names.
2nd
3rd
Post by: Bullkllr on September 16, 2014, 09:32:48 PM
:yeah:no flossing is not legal. learn the regs if you think it is.
You are arguing something that cannot even be proven. If someone hooks a fish inside the mouth but swears he felt it bite it is ok while the guy who says he felt the fish shake its head when it blundered into the line much like you or I do into a spider's web hooks it inside the mouth is a dirty nasty poacher that shouldn't be allowed to live free or fish bla bla bla. I would be willing to bet that 90+% of the salmon caught in rivers are "flossed". The difference is whether or not the person catching the fish is actually experienced enough to know the difference! Hooked in the mouth is hooked in the mouth, sportsmen need to stop picking nits with each other.
Straight from the regs:
"Snagging: Attempting to take fish with a hook and line in such a way that the fish does not
voluntarily take the hook(s) in its mouth. In freshwater, it is illegal to possess any fish
hooked anywhere other than inside the mouth or on the head".
Believe me, I've had it memorized for decades. And the "attempting" is impossible to prove when normal type gear is used for drift fishing, as is incidental flossing as described above.
Yes, the horse has passed away...
Post by: Soady on September 16, 2014, 09:53:24 PM
Post by: offdahook on September 17, 2014, 01:53:24 PM
Post by: Hi-Liter on September 17, 2014, 02:33:37 PM
Post by: h20hunter on September 17, 2014, 02:37:58 PM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on September 17, 2014, 02:45:54 PM
Post by: bowhunterwa87 on September 17, 2014, 02:49:54 PM
I nominate ODH for Fishing Board Moderator.
He hasn't called anyone names.
2nd
3rd
4th vote
Post by: wildmanoutdoors on September 17, 2014, 03:04:13 PM
Post by: kodiak 907 on September 17, 2014, 03:14:28 PM
:yeah:I nominate ODH for Fishing Board Moderator.
He hasn't called anyone names.
2nd
Post by: thegeneral on September 17, 2014, 03:49:58 PM
Post by: bowjunkie on September 17, 2014, 06:28:20 PM
Post by: bearpaw on September 17, 2014, 06:45:34 PM
:yeah:
Straight from the regs:
"Snagging: Attempting to take fish with a hook and line in such a way that the fish does not
voluntarily take the hook(s) in its mouth. In freshwater, it is illegal to possess any fish
hooked anywhere other than inside the mouth or on the head".
I'm just trying to understand what the law really says? I wish a WDFW officer would comment on flossing.
Looking at the language in bold it seems that even if the fish is hooked outside the mouth, if you are fishing in fresh water and the fish is hooked anywhere on the head it is legal unless it can be proven the fish did not take the bait voluntarily.
Am I wrong?
Post by: jay.sharkbait on September 17, 2014, 06:58:28 PM
:yeah:
Straight from the regs:
"Snagging: Attempting to take fish with a hook and line in such a way that the fish does not
voluntarily take the hook(s) in its mouth. In freshwater, it is illegal to possess any fish
hooked anywhere other than inside the mouth or on the head".
I'm just trying to understand what the law really says? I wish a WDFW officer would comment on flossing.
Looking at the language in bold it seems that even if the fish is hooked outside the mouth, if you are fishing in fresh water and the fish is hooked anywhere on the head it is legal unless it can be proven the fish did not take the bait voluntarily.
Am I wrong?
Way I see it is as long as there is no elevator video or statements from a pissed off ex wife the evil flosser is good to go.....
Post by: FC on September 17, 2014, 07:16:51 PM
I'm just trying to understand what the law really says? I wish a WDFW officer would comment on flossing.
Looking at the language in bold it seems that even if the fish is hooked outside the mouth, if you are fishing in fresh water and the fish is hooked anywhere on the head it is legal unless it can be proven the fish did not take the bait voluntarily.
Am I wrong?
Nope, you are reading it correctly.
Post by: bearpaw on September 17, 2014, 07:30:48 PM
I'm just trying to understand what the law really says? I wish a WDFW officer would comment on flossing.
Looking at the language in bold it seems that even if the fish is hooked outside the mouth, if you are fishing in fresh water and the fish is hooked anywhere on the head it is legal unless it can be proven the fish did not take the bait voluntarily.
Am I wrong?
Nope, you are reading it correctly.
I don't like laws like this, it really causes problems like you see in this topic of separating sportsmen and creating gray area, I wish they would use more precise language!
Post by: wildmanoutdoors on September 17, 2014, 08:00:26 PM
The only way they can really ticket you for flossing is if you're ripping hooksets at the end of every drift constantly. then hook a fish and keep it if it's outside the mouth or face that's what they look for on areas like it's Skok and what not and where they patrolling these lining fisheries.
:yeah:
Straight from the regs:
"Snagging: Attempting to take fish with a hook and line in such a way that the fish does not
voluntarily take the hook(s) in its mouth. In freshwater, it is illegal to possess any fish
hooked anywhere other than inside the mouth or on the head".
I'm just trying to understand what the law really says? I wish a WDFW officer would comment on flossing.
Looking at the language in bold it seems that even if the fish is hooked outside the mouth, if you are fishing in fresh water and the fish is hooked anywhere on the head it is legal unless it can be proven the fish did not take the bait voluntarily.
Am I wrong?
Post by: wildmanoutdoors on September 17, 2014, 08:01:38 PM
Post by: Soady on September 17, 2014, 08:27:48 PM
Originally Posted by RI4B07
Ah the good old days, when the standard set up on the Fraser was a 12' aluminium with a 9.9, loaded with a cooler of sandwiches, lawn chairs, and a couple thick rods with knuckle dusters on them. I think it was in the early 90s when I was introduced to it, and was taken out to grassy bar one august morning. Chinook fishing was just re-opened, as it was closed for some time prior. People were camped out, having a good time and fish were being caught.
I think what happened was the economic down fall of the 1980s ended, and the economy began to recover. Interest rates fell and mortgages were refinanced. People began having disposable income again, which means more people started getting in to various hobbies. A HUGE influx of new anglers came into the sport. I personally blame the popularity of the movie, "A River Runs Through It" for a lot of the recent popularity of fishing.
Also around this time it was found that bottom bouncing could catch sockeye on the fraser. Chinook fishing had been re-opened for some time, but Sockeye were believed to be the most tight lipped fish out there. Some figured out that apparently they loved green wool and by bouncing a line and hook through the river they hooked sockeye. So with a little pressure from the angling community (the same group of guys who got the river opened for chinook) a sport fishery for sockeye was opened.
Now real bottom bouncing, which is called drift fishing, is practiced through out the west coast. A small slinky with a short leader with some kind of presentation on it was then and is still today, an effective way of getting a presentation in front of a fish and triggering a bite. Keep this in mind. Bottom bouncing isn't a dirty word. Flossing is what is being practiced on the Fraser. There is a difference. In bottom bouncing, the goal is to have your weight balanced with the depth and flow of the river so that every so often the rig just 'ticks' the river bed. Then you lift your rod and the rig continues on and hopefully a fish sees this presentation and bites it. The goal in bottom bouncing on the fraser is to run a leader out through a school of fish, have that leader run through a fish's mouth, dragging along a hook and piercing the fish's mouth.
Back when sockeye first opened, it was stupid easy to catch them (and it still is.) There were also -way- more fish. You could go down to peg leg at any time during the openings, and in less than 30 minutes have your limit and be gone. People knew that the sockeye were in close to shore and nobody waded out to their waist in the water. They just made their cast and hooked fish in the slower shallows. Big schools of fish? Just cast in front of them and hold on! It was just that easy. Why was it so easy? Because the fish aren't biting. They're being flossed. Plain and simple. Bare hooks were just as effective as any colour of wool or corkie. The schools were so thick, you just had to pass a line through them and a fish would be hooked. I think i've done it a total of 4 times. Once in 2000 and then next summer in 2001. I caught fish, but it wasn't fun and certainly wasn't a sport. It was bloody hard work!
This 'new' method of fishing brought with it large group of new anglers. This stupid easy way of catching fish brewed up a perfect storm so to speak. The word spread fast. Sockeye! It's easy! Come on out and catch a salmon! Sportfishing BC did a show about it. Tackle shops were selling fishing licenses and gear to everyone and anyone. "We have green wool!" and "Bouncing Betties In Stock!" were common signs out front of some tackle shops. Everyone got pumped up about this method of fishing. The crowds began to form, everyone came down to "get their two socks" as if they were entitled to these fish. It was, and is still, a gold rush mentality.
This is where the conflict begins. With so many 'new' anglers, most did not know the etiquette and mores (that's pronounced more-ays) of sport fishing. The more experienced group (to which I lay no claim) did not like johnny newrod and his wife coming down to the river. Johnny newrod had all the brand new gear but didn't know what to do with it. He didn't say hello. He didn't have ethics. He was just there for meat.
People began tangling lines, breaking off on snags and leaving more garbage in and around the river. The crowds got thicker and thicker as more and more people came to harvest their share of the bounty. Instead of standing on the shore, people waded out further and further into the river. Crowds so thick that if you moved from your spot to take a pee, someone jumped right in behind you.
Fights broke out over stupid things like "hey! that's my spot!" I have never confirmed this story, but legend says some guy got stabbed at scale bar in a fight like this. When you landed a fish there may be two or three lines attached to the fish as people kept casting over each other. You had to reel right down to the fish to find out who's fish it was. More and more people came. The crowds spilled out from the walk-in bars, and people bought boats with low interest loans to get away from the crowds, only to form other types of crowds further out there.
More and more anglers came and found out how easy it was, and how much they liked 'fishing' and catching a fish. The hero stories of being able to floss a sockeye were everywhere. The internet fishing forums grew and grew bringing more anglers in to the sport. Digital cameras made it easy to put up pics of people hoisting their catches. The bright silvery fish drawing in more to the banks of rivers. The crowds got even thicker. As people waded out, and leaders got longer, as people tried new spots, more and more chinook were being caught too.
That's where i think the morph begins. People started ironically catching chinook as a by-catch of sockeye. They realized that you can catch chinook in the early times of the summer too. At times that when traditionally the fraser is still in freshet and too turbid for fish to see any sort of presentation. Just as easy as flossing two sockeye in august, you can floss a chinook in june. It doesn't matter what the water conditions are really, because the fish isn't biting. So now there are people out there at the moment that DFO says "go" and they're flossing chinook until sockeye opens, then they floss both.
This same new group moved to other rivers too. Salmon season didn't end in September! There were salmon in many rivers: vedder, capilano, chehalis, stave, suicide, harrison, squamish. They all had salmon in them, runs that started in may lasted into december. The greatest thing about it all was that it really didn't matter if the fish bit the hook or not, because flossing takes that out of the formula.
Funniest thing is that it actually takes a bit of skill to be an effective flosser. You have to know what size of weight to use, how much wool or size of corkie to float which ever length of leader your tossing. Where and how to cast. If the goal is to get the line stretched out as long as possible, and floated high enough to pass through a fish's mouth then it actually takes some skill to set up and effective rig. That's why you see some people who are good flossers, and some who are not. It's the ultimate laugh to me about it all. None of these fish are biting, but it takes some skill to dial in to them. If people are that keen on fishing, why not just try to get the fish to bite?
I think the worst part is how there are fewer and fewer fish. This only creates more pressure on fish and the anglers trying to catch them. The gold rush mentality makes it much more ugly. People start thinking they're entitled to two sockeye a day. You can see the racism coming out. People don't like natives exercising their constitutional rights. If someone on the river doesn't speak english, or isn't white, they're put down as a poacher. Less people say hello or help each other out. Few teach new people the ethics and mores of angling, because there are so few that practice them anymore. Those that do are too jaded to help out the new breed.
There's probably a lot more in to the history of flossing on the fraser, but that's kinda how i know it to be. To this day, I'm always amazed at how upset people get when you point out to them that their flossed fish didn't bite the hook. Internet forums are a great example of this. Anyone who stirs up the tempest in the teapot about this topic gets black listed and banned. The controversy seems to come in that one fact, these fish didn't bite. People take such offense to it and I just don't know why. I guess if you look at fishing like you would basketball or golf. In those sports the object is to get a ball through a hoop or in to a hole. In flossing the goal is to get the hook into the fish's mouth. Maybe that's the sport that I don't see.
The truth is that you can keep any fish that has been hooked -inside- the mouth, so it's not an illegal method so long as the fish is hooked inside the mouth. When I kept sockeye almost ten years ago now, they were all hooked inside the mouth so i know it's doable. I also know they didn't bite, but they were legal catches nonetheless. I choose not to floss fish. I believe the sport in sport fishing is in tricking or fooling a fish to bite. I would hope other make the same choice as me.
Now I'm off to the vedder in hopes of tricking a chinook to bite my jiggy, so i can have a nice bbq and some bait for sturgeon!
Post by: Soady on September 17, 2014, 08:46:52 PM
Those values must be developed on an individual basis where education is the key not division, chastising, screaming, yelling and so on. And guess what it takes a long time to arrive in one camp to the other and some will never leave, those that will seem to choose the latter method of fishing and continue to educate the other camp quietly and respectfully.
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on September 17, 2014, 08:52:05 PM
Any wording in the regs. that seem shady is written on purpose So they can write tickets ..You know ...that college stuff :dunno: :chuckle: :chuckle:I'm just trying to understand what the law really says? I wish a WDFW officer would comment on flossing.
Looking at the language in bold it seems that even if the fish is hooked outside the mouth, if you are fishing in fresh water and the fish is hooked anywhere on the head it is legal unless it can be proven the fish did not take the bait voluntarily.
Am I wrong?
Nope, you are reading it correctly.
I don't like laws like this, it really causes problems like you see in this topic of separating sportsmen and creating gray area, I wish they would use more precise language!
Post by: Igottanewknee on September 17, 2014, 08:53:19 PM
Post by: FC on September 17, 2014, 09:01:00 PM
I'm just trying to understand what the law really says? I wish a WDFW officer would comment on flossing.
Looking at the language in bold it seems that even if the fish is hooked outside the mouth, if you are fishing in fresh water and the fish is hooked anywhere on the head it is legal unless it can be proven the fish did not take the bait voluntarily.
Am I wrong?
Nope, you are reading it correctly.
I don't like laws like this, it really causes problems like you see in this topic of separating sportsmen and creating gray area, I wish they would use more precise language!
Here is the thing, the law is actually pretty clear! The issue at hand is that some sportsmen have taken it upon themselves to attach their own morals to the sport we all love and decided to take up arms against it. I would compare it to how some people felt about hound hunting. The difference is that "flossing" is impossible to prove. Ripping hooksets at the end of every drift could easily be construed as snagging but still can't be proven until a person retains a foul hooked fish.
If any of the people so against the idea of flossing think that anything positive is going to come of this they are severely deluded.
FWIW a long leader isn't necessarily the best way to floss. The correct length for conditions is!
This is possibly an even dumber argument than one over which religion is best... Anti-fishing/hunting people are active enough in trying to screw us out of fish and game STOP helping them!
Post by: Bullkllr on September 17, 2014, 09:11:50 PM
And Soady gave a pretty good synopsis also.
I would add the popular Kenai/Russian River fisheries in AK as other prime examples. Those, the Fraser, and the Puyallup are probably the most extreme proliferations of flossing being the preferred method that I'm aware of.
But it happens all the time in many/most river salmon fisheries. Even if the leader is shorter and the guy holding the rod isn't attempting to floss. The Dick Nite trick on kegged up silvers is another example where flossing accounts for a lot of the "bites". Swinging a fly is actually quite effective for flossing also.
How can a law prevent a something that happens when even the most ethical of anglers fishes in a river with numbers of salmon? and when even the fisherman can't be sure of how the fish was hooked? The situation (as posted by Soady) has had unfortunate side effects. But the legality is not normally enforceable, and the ethics are about as clear as mud.
Post by: rasbo on September 17, 2014, 09:14:27 PM
I get the "flossin aint fishing" movement...I most fly fish the rivers... but, given that flossing is legal in this state...this guy doesnt do anything illegal and I havent ever seen him be rude back to all the people that are rude to him. I HATE to see sportsmen bashing legal sportsmen...just because they use a different technique.TaT man how the heck are ya
We have enough attacks from non-sportsmen...lets slow our roll on fellow legal sportsmen guys.
-dave
Post by: DoubleJ on September 18, 2014, 06:03:22 AM
Post by: thegeneral on September 18, 2014, 08:22:47 AM
Flossin'/fishin' I don't care. I just want to learn to catch fish like ODH does as consistantly as he does. Teach me ODH, teach me!!!
:yeah:
Post by: 206 on September 18, 2014, 09:02:09 AM
Post by: Todd~Mod on September 18, 2014, 11:59:06 AM
You guys have been totally bamboozled by this troll :yike:. His M.O. is exactly what he did here. Comes on and starts a blaze fire, then watches all the board members go into a uproar. Basically a BB arsonist.
As for the flossing subject it happens everywhere! I don't believe ODH is a unethical fisherman. Just a troll.
Post by: CP on September 18, 2014, 12:06:17 PM
1st post here, :chuckle: . I'm a Moderator on FishChan a very low end but highly visited site. So I'm very familiar with this Asian character OffDaHook. He trolls EVERY BB that has a fishing forum. He lives in Tacoma and fishes every river from the Cowlitz to the Puyallup. All his pics have his tongue out and some black pen "Paint option" over his face. He likes to post in broken English.
You guys have been totally bamboozled by this troll :yike:. His M.O. is exactly what he did here. Comes on and starts a blaze fire, then watches all the board members go into a uproar. Basically a BB arsonist.
As for the flossing subject it happens everywhere! I don't believe ODH is a unethical fisherman. Just a troll.
What’s his race have to do with it Toss~Mod? Are you a racist?
Post by: Todd~Mod on September 18, 2014, 12:23:20 PM
I'll go back edit that.
Post by: PolarBear on September 18, 2014, 12:23:30 PM
Post by: MtnMuley on September 18, 2014, 12:23:48 PM
Post by: MADMAX on September 18, 2014, 12:28:13 PM
Bann him and be done with it
:twocents:
Post by: Todd~Mod on September 18, 2014, 12:28:46 PM
Post by: thegeneral on September 18, 2014, 12:42:16 PM
The guy types like a moron and gets everyone spun up.
Bann him and be done with it
:twocents:
Why would you want to ban a guy that catches fish and post pictures. The owner of the board might be paying him to post here this one thread is already 5 pages. Good business to have him here and it sure brings out the best in a few men.
Post by: JimmyHoffa on September 18, 2014, 12:47:29 PM
Post by: Band on September 18, 2014, 12:55:40 PM
.....and why would he be a racist? Is it wrong to call somebody an Asian? I can think of a lot worse. :dunno:When inserting race into a comment where race is 100% not important to the issue, yes, absolutely.
Post by: FC on September 18, 2014, 01:40:00 PM
Do you people wake up in the morning just looking for something to get your feelings hurt over or what?!?!?
Post by: MtnMuley on September 18, 2014, 03:17:12 PM
.....and why would he be a racist? Is it wrong to call somebody an Asian? I can think of a lot worse. :dunno:When inserting race into a comment where race is 100% not important to the issue, yes, absolutely.
LOL, must be an Auburn thing. I guess I'm a racist then in your eyes, because I refer to people all the time by their nationality when it is not 100% not important. :hello:
Post by: Todd~Mod on September 18, 2014, 04:47:56 PM
.....and why would he be a racist? Is it wrong to call somebody an Asian? I can think of a lot worse. :dunno:When inserting race into a comment where race is 100% not important to the issue, yes, absolutely.
LOL, must be an Auburn thing. I guess I'm a racist then in your eyes, because I refer to people all the time by their nationality when it is not 100% not important. :hello:
My neighbor is Asian. He too refers to those from Asia as, well, you guessed it Asians! :yeah:
Post by: Woodchuck on September 18, 2014, 05:25:20 PM
Or maybe he was using it as identifying charachteristic of the individual. Like say if I called someone out for trying to stir a pot that don't need stirring, others may be able to identify that person. :twocents:.....and why would he be a racist? Is it wrong to call somebody an Asian? I can think of a lot worse. :dunno:When inserting race into a comment where race is 100% not important to the issue, yes, absolutely.
Post by: JJB11B on September 18, 2014, 05:29:48 PM
The guy types like a moron and gets everyone spun up.You spelled Ban incorrectly
Bann him and be done with it
:twocents:
Post by: billythekidrock on September 18, 2014, 05:36:35 PM
The guy types like a moron and gets everyone spun up.You spelled Ban incorrectly
Bann him and be done with it
:twocents:
LOL
Post by: JJB11B on September 18, 2014, 05:40:01 PM
Post by: jay.sharkbait on September 18, 2014, 06:21:29 PM
Post by: Bullkllr on September 18, 2014, 06:32:32 PM
Post by: JODakota on September 18, 2014, 06:41:58 PM
The guy types like a moron and gets everyone spun up.You spelled Ban incorrectly
Bann him and be done with it
:twocents:
Hahahaha hilarious!!
Post by: JJB11B on September 18, 2014, 07:35:00 PM
Why should he be banned? Because of how he choses to write? Maybe he talks that way all the time or maybe it is just for the internet, unless you know him personally, it is all speculation.
He doesn't call people names, I don't think any of his posts have "censored" show up in them because he used a cuss word.
He doesn't make fun of people or insult them.
Yes, his posts can be tiring to read or decifer at times, but I do enjoy seeing the pictures of his fish.
I agree.
Not my fav topics to read but he isn't hurting anyone.
For those who have called for his ban or saying that he drags the site down (in other threads)...just know that we have had the same requests for a couple of you in the past. But we try to give everyone the benefit of the doubt.
No one is forcing anyone to read the posts. If you don't like it, don't read it or put the member on your ignore list.
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on September 18, 2014, 07:48:47 PM
Post by: Alchase on September 18, 2014, 07:59:55 PM
I can't decide if this is a car wreck or really bad theater.........
So like what are you trying to say?
That we are all "character" actors who can't drive 👀
Post by: Band on September 18, 2014, 08:45:41 PM
Just curious how you feel about the media pointing out that the police officer is white and the guy he shot is black? :dunno: See what I mean?.....and why would he be a racist? Is it wrong to call somebody an Asian? I can think of a lot worse. :dunno:When inserting race into a comment where race is 100% not important to the issue, yes, absolutely.
LOL, must be an Auburn thing. I guess I'm a racist then in your eyes, because I refer to people all the time by their nationality when it is not 100% not important. :hello:
Post by: Lucky1 on September 18, 2014, 08:50:35 PM
I can't decide if this is a car wreck or really bad theater.........
Train wreck.
Post by: JJB11B on September 18, 2014, 08:53:26 PM
Post by: Todd~Mod on September 18, 2014, 09:24:17 PM
I just can't stand people acting like this guy is a threat to society becuase he types in ebonics. lol. The guy obviously loves to fish and likes to share in his success whats so wrong with it? It's not like he's hurting anyone. as the admin said, if you dont like his posts ignore him. Personally I get a kick out of his excitement becuase thats what its all about. LOVING what we do as sportsmen, not hating on someone for the way they talk. :twocents:
Do you not know the term "TROLL"? :P
Post by: JJB11B on September 18, 2014, 09:26:20 PM
Post by: hunt_fish on September 18, 2014, 09:40:53 PM
I just can't stand people acting like this guy is a threat to society becuase he types in ebonics. lol. The guy obviously loves to fish and likes to share in his success whats so wrong with it? It's not like he's hurting anyone. as the admin said, if you dont like his posts ignore him. Personally I get a kick out of his excitement becuase thats what its all about. LOVING what we do as sportsmen, not hating on someone for the way they talk. :twocents:
He's typing like that on purpose, hence Todd calling him a troll. It'll get annoying, just like Swede on one of the other forums posting 100 emoticons during a post a couple of years ago. I find ODH funny though, he types like my filipino friends did BaCk N dA 90'z 0n AiM.
Post by: Lucky1 on September 18, 2014, 10:29:37 PM
Just curious how you feel about the media pointing out that the police officer is white and the guy he shot is black? :dunno: See what I mean?.....and why would he be a racist? Is it wrong to call somebody an Asian? I can think of a lot worse. :dunno:When inserting race into a comment where race is 100% not important to the issue, yes, absolutely.
LOL, must be an Auburn thing. I guess I'm a racist then in your eyes, because I refer to people all the time by their nationality when it is not 100% not important. :hello:
I think that the race of the people involved is part of the "news" in many cases. It does not bother me at all to know their race. :twocents:
Post by: DoubleJ on September 19, 2014, 06:36:10 AM
It'll get annoying, just like BOWHUNTER45 on THIS forum posting 100 emoticons during a post
Fixed :chuckle:
Post by: singleshot12 on September 19, 2014, 08:09:21 AM
I just can't stand people acting like this guy is a threat to society becuase he types in ebonics. lol. The guy obviously loves to fish and likes to share in his success whats so wrong with it? It's not like he's hurting anyone. as the admin said, if you dont like his posts ignore him. Personally I get a kick out of his excitement becuase thats what its all about. LOVING what we do as sportsmen, not hating on someone for the way they talk. :twocents:
Do you not know the term "TROLL"? :P
:yeah: Even worse he fits the same description as the same mentality
:stup:
Post by: MADMAX on September 19, 2014, 08:26:16 AM
The guy types like a moron and gets everyone spun up.You spelled Ban incorrectly
Bann him and be done with it
:twocents:
Hahahaha hilarious!!
I did, didnt I ?
hmmm
Post by: Soady on September 19, 2014, 08:43:37 AM
I just can't stand people acting like this guy is a threat to society becuase he types in ebonics. lol. The guy obviously loves to fish and likes to share in his success whats so wrong with it? It's not like he's hurting anyone. as the admin said, if you dont like his posts ignore him. Personally I get a kick out of his excitement becuase thats what its all about. LOVING what we do as sportsmen, not hating on someone for the way they talk. :twocents:
Do you not know the term "TROLL"? :P
:yeah: Even worse he fits the same description as the same mentalitywe allmost of us despise on the river. It's the same mentality and charactor that contributes to the loss of fishing opportunity! :tdown:
:stup:
Yes he does yet I can go through the list here with members who have some differing opinions who some some of us don't see the same way in regards to hunting. Where is the lynch mob to get those members banned for their ideology? :dunno:
Post by: thegeneral on September 19, 2014, 10:10:41 AM
Post by: hunt_fish on September 19, 2014, 11:30:46 AM
Almost to page 7, how many pages will it go. I hope it breaks records. Keep posting ODH.We could always bring the beloved dog lover on here for you. I'm sure that would break records. Lol
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on September 19, 2014, 11:57:31 AM
The guy types like a moron and gets everyone spun up.You spelled Ban incorrectly
Bann him and be done with it
:twocents:
Hahahaha hilarious!!
I did, didnt I ?
hmmm
Fershizzle...Brah!! :rockin:
Post by: mainer78 on September 19, 2014, 12:03:36 PM
Post by: Alchase on September 19, 2014, 12:18:36 PM
I sit back and watch everyone judge this guy... Sure he types funny, and probably talks like he types, but what has he done wrong... I have never seen a picture of him "snagging". I like many on here use corky, yarn, hook setup of some sort. That's what i have been taught... I have also seen people litterly "snagging" fish so hard i had to move for fear of getting stuck with a hook. Have you seen off da hook doing this?. Is it because you think he listens to rap music, and is that so bad to have at the river.. Im sorry i wear my flat bill flipped back as well, like to chill in my dickie shorts that are probably baggy, that does not make me a bad person. It seems that there are some here that are just plain uncomfortable with then new breed of fisherman, were rap listening, counrty loving, flatbill wearing, slang talking, x-games loving, jmiltary severd or serving, jacked up truck driving, fish and game killing 20 and 30 year olds. Believe me.. Get over it, fish, make friends and dont be a stuck in the mud judgemental dumb *censored*.....
were rap listening, counrty loving
You need treatment, you are conflicted .................... :hello:
:chuckle:
Post by: runamuk on September 19, 2014, 01:14:30 PM
I can't decide if this is a car wreck or really bad theater.........
its awesome isnt it :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: b0bbyg on September 19, 2014, 01:25:57 PM
Just seems too easy ......
But instead I will just look for the popcorn emoticon
Post by: Bullkllr on September 19, 2014, 04:46:48 PM
Threads like this tempt me to troll ......
Just seems too easy ......
But instead I will just look for the popcorn emoticon
I think you are trolling with that post.
Wait...I just did, too :DOH:
Post by: MADMAX on September 19, 2014, 04:49:56 PM
The guy types like a moron and gets everyone spun up.You spelled Ban incorrectly
Bann him and be done with it
:twocents:
Hahahaha hilarious!!
I did, didnt I ?
hmmm
Fershizzle...Brah!! :rockin:
I am truly sorry for my judgemental approach and posting which was mispelled
thank god he didnt have a flashlight taped to the fish
:stirthepot:
Post by: JJB11B on September 19, 2014, 11:23:08 PM
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Post by: Hawgdawg on September 20, 2014, 08:28:02 AM