Post by: Jingles on September 16, 2014, 07:31:38 AM
If 9 days is good enough for modern deer season then it is good enough for Archery and ML. The heck with this crap of the entire month then another season for late without having to draw special tags......
Post by: westsidehntr on September 16, 2014, 07:38:37 AM
Post by: wildmanoutdoors on September 16, 2014, 07:47:15 AM
Coarse then we dont need 3 seasons. Soooooo lets just keep it how it is. ;)
You must have never bow hunted? Do you realise how many stalks get blown trying to get to a good bow shooting distance?
Post by: Machias on September 16, 2014, 07:56:51 AM
Post by: RadSav on September 16, 2014, 08:15:58 AM
Post by: hughjorgan on September 16, 2014, 08:30:32 AM
Yea this is gonna get a lot of flak and I'm probably gonna be called all kinds of things but I seriously believe that they should restrict the archery and Ml seasons to the same amount of time they allow for Modern.
If 9 days is good enough for modern deer season then it is good enough for Archery and ML. The heck with this crap of the entire month then another season for late without having to draw special tags......
Modern firearm has great opportunity; you start off with a high hunt in September, follow that with the general season and then you have late hunts for blacktails and whitetails. What's not to like or equitable about opportunity? That is nearly a month spread out through out the fall to hunt deer without drawing a special permit.
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on September 16, 2014, 08:34:40 AM
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on September 16, 2014, 08:36:02 AM
You only have this kind of discussion in a "choose your weapon" state. Most states the archery season is 3+ months long. Nary a whisper of envy from the modern folks, because they can hunt with a bow if they want to.
And there still are quite a few of us left that remember how much BETTER it was before that was crammed down or throats, right Dave? (W)
Post by: bobcat on September 16, 2014, 08:38:20 AM
Post by: buglebrush on September 16, 2014, 08:45:25 AM
Once bows can shoot hundreds of yards with optics and muzzies can use scopes and shoot hundreds of yards then we can change it.
Coarse then we dont need 3 seasons. Soooooo lets just keep it how it is. ;)
You must have never bow hunted? Do you realise how many stalks get blown trying to get to a good bow shooting distance?
:yeah:
We could've easily killed 9 different bulls this year with a gun before finally getting an arrow in one. :twocents:
Post by: snowpack on September 16, 2014, 08:45:50 AM
You only have this kind of discussion in a "choose your weapon" state. Most states the archery season is 3+ months long. Nary a whisper of envy from the modern folks, because they can hunt with a bow if they want to.:yeah:
Fighting for the scraps to get that last bump in harvest percent, number of mature animals, rut timing, antlerless as general vs permit.....
Post by: elkoholic1 on September 16, 2014, 08:46:53 AM
Post by: Bucks2Ducks on September 16, 2014, 08:56:19 AM
Post by: justyhntr on September 16, 2014, 09:03:39 AM
Post by: Katmai Guy on September 16, 2014, 09:08:00 AM
Post by: snowpack on September 16, 2014, 09:29:07 AM
Post by: elk247 on September 16, 2014, 09:33:56 AM
Post by: HornHoarder on September 16, 2014, 09:36:36 AM
Post by: washelkhunter on September 16, 2014, 09:37:36 AM
Post by: elk247 on September 16, 2014, 09:56:24 AM
Post by: bobcat on September 16, 2014, 09:57:03 AM
Post by: lamrith on September 16, 2014, 09:59:44 AM
Already stated how archery is harder to harvest due to weapon range. Wdfw data confirms it with only 22% success for archery and 4500 animals. Vs modern with 28% success and wait for it.... wait.. 26750+ animals taken. So how is it archery harvest needs to be reduced?
Post by: Billdos Uncle on September 16, 2014, 10:02:33 AM
Post by: HornHoarder on September 16, 2014, 10:04:49 AM
What I always tell people is if you think another method other than the one you're currently hunting has a better season and better opportunity, then switch to that method. It's kind of hard to complain when YOU chose your method.
:yeah: You make a great point Bobcat.
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on September 16, 2014, 10:17:22 AM
What I always tell people is if you think another method other than the one you're currently hunting has a better season and better opportunity, then switch to that method. It's kind of hard to complain when YOU chose your method.
Expected from a hunter that has known no other. I was complaining about having to choose in the first place But now they have found a way to extract more $$ from us with SP App. fees and 3 figures for the license. Since most have never been able to pick up any weapon and head out hunting...... this is a wonderful thing
PS................... to the antis........ hunters bickering is a win for them.....
Post by: steeliedrew on September 16, 2014, 10:20:49 AM
Yea this is gonna get a lot of flak and I'm probably gonna be called all kinds of things but I seriously believe that they should restrict the archery and Ml seasons to the same amount of time they allow for Modern.
If 9 days is good enough for modern deer season then it is good enough for Archery and ML. The heck with this crap of the entire month then another season for late without having to draw special tags......
I lol'd right there.
Post by: Katmai Guy on September 16, 2014, 10:22:40 AM
Post by: bobcat on September 16, 2014, 10:29:08 AM
What I always tell people is if you think another method other than the one you're currently hunting has a better season and better opportunity, then switch to that method. It's kind of hard to complain when YOU chose your method.
Expected from a hunter that has known no other. I was complaining about having to choose in the first place But now they have found a way to extract more $$ from us with SP App. fees and 3 figures for the license. Since most have never been able to pick up any weapon and head out hunting...... this is a wonderful thing
PS................... to the antis........ hunters bickering is a win for them.....
A deer license and tag is $44.90. Special permit applications are optional.
And I don't see how a discussion like this is any kind of a "win" for anti hunters.
We will always discuss different ideas on wildlife management issues. This occurs in every state in the country, we are not unique in that regard.
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on September 16, 2014, 10:32:31 AM
I remember when everybody walked when they hunted, didn't ride quads. ;) Times, they are a changin!:chuckle:Actually have never hunted off of either of those, Now when I carry my partners companion card I have hunted out of that other red thing in the background since they cannot hike. :chuckle:
And BC I was talking multi season ..Also " Divide and conquer" ever heard it?
Post by: pianoman9701 on September 16, 2014, 10:37:05 AM
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on September 16, 2014, 10:41:36 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on September 16, 2014, 10:58:56 AM
Post by: Billdos Uncle on September 16, 2014, 11:24:30 AM
Oh yes, I realize that. Hunters without a unified voice because they're too busy trying to hang onto their own stuff.That's what my great great great granddaddy would say
Post by: westsidehntr on September 16, 2014, 12:05:04 PM
Oh yes, I realize that. Hunters without a unified voice because they're too busy trying to hang onto their own stuff.That's what my great great great granddaddy would say
Sounds like your great great great granddaddy had a lot to say. Please tell us more.
Post by: Billdos Uncle on September 16, 2014, 12:09:14 PM
Post by: Mxracer532 on September 16, 2014, 12:16:53 PM
Post by: bobcat on September 16, 2014, 12:20:16 PM
Post by: whacker1 on September 16, 2014, 12:24:26 PM
What I always tell people is if you think another method other than the one you're currently hunting has a better season and better opportunity, then switch to that method. It's kind of hard to complain when YOU chose your method.
and with opportunities for multi-season tags for anyone that wants to pay $180 for deer......the subject is dead.
Post by: Mxracer532 on September 16, 2014, 12:33:09 PM
If you're talking "average" for archery, being 40 yards, rifle would be more like 250 yards, and muzzleloader 75 yards.
Ur right on average, now long the side.
Archery 80 yards
ML 200 yards (know a guy who killed his bull over 200 yards)
Rifle 700+ like I said a well setup gun and very little practice its more than possible.
Post by: idahohuntr on September 16, 2014, 12:49:51 PM
:yeah:
And I don't see how a discussion like this is any kind of a "win" for anti hunters.
We will always discuss different ideas on wildlife management issues. This occurs in every state in the country, we are not unique in that regard.
Hunters should not turn into lemmings and sheep and blindly follow one another. Self regulation, discussion on management goals, informed decision making, equitable resource allocation...all of this demonstrates how responsible hunters are at policing themselves and showing sound stewardship for wildlife resources...which as bobcat said is not any kind of a "win" for the anti's.
Post by: jasnt on September 16, 2014, 12:51:46 PM
like stated if one method seems better in your book than use it. Personally I'd rather we all get 2 weeks but I'm not sure our heards could handle that much pressure now that there's more predators
Post by: pianoman9701 on September 16, 2014, 01:00:38 PM
Post by: bone collector 12 on September 16, 2014, 01:31:46 PM
Post by: TommyH on September 16, 2014, 01:41:32 PM
Post by: spin05 on September 16, 2014, 01:57:56 PM
I want the 11 day ML season back, and i want to be able to hunt in the same gmus with the same liberal take as the AR season. If AR wants to start a week earlier in Sept they should be willing to trade time and also go to an 11 day season. There is really no longer a credible arguement about effectiveness of weapons, ar v ml. AR guys here regular brag about shooting out to and past 80-100 yds at animals. And I believe they wound far more than they kill and recover. What I would really like to see is a true primitive season combined. Hunters limited to sidelock ML,s of the hawken kentucky rifle variety and archers limited to wood long bows-recurves only and lets have a 20 day season. Relegate the inlines, compounds and crossbows to modern only. Return to the original intent of ml and ar seasons in Wa.
Using this logic then modern guys should go back to iron sights and a .30-30 or maybe what was it paper patch bullets they had back in the day......
Post by: washelkhunter on September 16, 2014, 02:11:55 PM
Post by: lamrith on September 16, 2014, 02:28:59 PM
So let's limit season for a hunting format that only accounts for 13% of annual harvest to give a longer season to the format that accounts for over 79% of the harvest a longer season?
Are you just wanting to decimate the herds so then there is no season for anyone?
Post by: westsidehntr on September 16, 2014, 03:01:24 PM
Maybe so. Something is going to have to give. The technology across all weapons are greatly reducing the chance for escapement which impacts opty for all. Couple that with increases in hunters, and reduction in habitat and something has to give. I'd gladly go to strictly primitive weapons for all in Wa. if it meant we would all have great opty and generous seasons. :tup:
So are harvest numbers going way up? I havent checked either but I'm willing to bet you are assuming that more animals are being killed due to more technology. I highly doubt it.
Post by: lamrith on September 16, 2014, 03:14:34 PM
For now here is a link to the huntwa Data
http://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/harvest/ (http://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/harvest/)
The root of what I am trying to say is that if you want to have a meaning full change in the harvest numbers, you need to address the method with the largest harvest numbers. We are talking a 300% higher harvest for modern than archery and ML COMBINED. But can't have that season any shorter or then the Modern folks would really be upset...
Post by: Bango skank on September 16, 2014, 03:27:47 PM
How many blown stalks do rifle guys have a season? None because there is no such thing,even the weekend warrior type rifle hunter can shoot anything with 500 yards,I had 5 legal bucks I could have killed with a rifle in the first 30 minutes of light on opening day of archery,I think we should be like Idaho and get a month for elk
You really believe every dingbat out there with a rifle is proficient at 500 yards? Wow you must believe all the b.s. people claim on these forums.
Post by: buglebrush on September 16, 2014, 03:29:39 PM
I think it all evens out. In my area( NE)I think modern gets the best deer season(nothing better than mid Nov in the whitetail woods!) muzzy seems to get the best elk but its short. Archery seems to get 2nd place with both deer and elk seasons.
like stated if one method seems better in your book than use it. Personally I'd rather we all get 2 weeks but I'm not sure our heards could handle that much pressure now that there's more predators
I probably shouldn't even go here, but..... longer seasons spread out pressure not increase it. I hunt NE WA and Idaho. much better experience in Idaho, but very similar harvest percentages for NE & Panhandle. :twocents:
Post by: woodswalker on September 16, 2014, 04:13:27 PM
Using this logic then modern guys should go back to iron sights and a .30-30 or maybe what was it paper patch bullets they had back in the day......
That would work...Iron sights and a 30-40 Krag with good CBs and let fly!
Post by: Holg3107 on September 16, 2014, 04:27:48 PM
Post by: Mxracer532 on September 16, 2014, 04:48:44 PM
How many blown stalks do rifle guys have a season? None because there is no such thing,even the weekend warrior type rifle hunter can shoot anything with 500 yards,I had 5 legal bucks I could have killed with a rifle in the first 30 minutes of light on opening day of archery,I think we should be like Idaho and get a month for elk
You really believe every dingbat out there with a rifle is proficient at 500 yards? Wow you must believe all the b.s. people claim on these forums.
Yup pretty much any dingbat (CAN) be proficient at 500. Just like any nimrod can be proficient with archery equipment at say 60 yards with the right equipment and practice. Overall far more potential to be lethal at 500 with a rifle.
Post by: RadSav on September 16, 2014, 05:25:40 PM
Apply for a multi season deer tag, nobody is denied, it seems.
So you are calling me a "Nobody", huh? That hurts man! >:(
:chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: jasnt on September 16, 2014, 05:34:16 PM
Post by: RadSav on September 16, 2014, 05:44:52 PM
You really believe every dingbat out there with a rifle is proficient at 500 yards? Wow you must believe all the b.s. people claim on these forums.
Yup pretty much any dingbat (CAN) be proficient at 500. Just like any nimrod can be proficient with archery equipment at say 60 yards with the right equipment and practice. Overall far more potential to be lethal at 500 with a rifle.
Any dingbat can shoot 500 yards. But proficient at 500 yards is another story! I think if you were to poll Bearpaw and all the experienced guides and former guides on here you would find differently. I would expect less than one in 50 are proficient beyond 300 yards! Even with a lot of practice I'm not sure that would change much at 500 yards.
I do agree that you will have a lot more failures when stalking and still hunting with the bow. No question about that. Last year my wife was inside 80 yards of good muledeer bucks every day of the archery season and no shots taken. She ended up shooting the first nice buck she saw during rifle season at 225 yards.
Post by: grundy53 on September 16, 2014, 05:51:23 PM
:yeah:You really believe every dingbat out there with a rifle is proficient at 500 yards? Wow you must believe all the b.s. people claim on these forums.
Yup pretty much any dingbat (CAN) be proficient at 500. Just like any nimrod can be proficient with archery equipment at say 60 yards with the right equipment and practice. Overall far more potential to be lethal at 500 with a rifle.
Any dingbat can shoot 500 yards. But proficient at 500 yards is another story! I think if you were to poll Bearpaw and all the experienced guides and former guides on here you would find differently. I would expect less than one in 50 are proficient beyond 300 yards! Even with a lot of practice I'm not sure that would change much at 500 yards.
I do agree that you will have a lot more failures when stalking and still hunting with the bow. No question about that. Last year my wife was inside 80 yards of good muledeer bucks every day of the archery season and no shots taken. She ended up shooting the first nice buck she saw during rifle season at 225 yards.
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Post by: Dan-o on September 16, 2014, 06:19:17 PM
the animals are killed by modern rifle.
No need to mess with archery or ML seasons.
Post by: lamrith on September 16, 2014, 08:02:59 PM
Threw some numbers in spreadsheet. I did not put any days into the past years as I do not have that information, plus the number of huntable days varies greatly by unit. pretty clear cut that Modern takes the majority of animals on both elk and deer, but a HUGE margin.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1GBald-T-SyPecyMsmeD-xO1HtmANVfyD3Av1oGm2r8A/edit?usp=sharing
Post by: Kazekurt on September 16, 2014, 08:24:06 PM
Post by: Jingles on September 16, 2014, 09:17:22 PM
Dude, REALLY??? Rifle (now days 500+ yards isnt uncommon perfect example last yr my sister shot her deer with my FULLY SETUP LONG RANGE .243 at 520 yards) muzzy 150 yards or so and the average archer 40 yards or so??? Cry me a damn river and make sure its filled with fish.Well if you have to shoot 500+yards to get a deer or any game in WA it just shows that you lack real hunting abilities to be able to get closer Cripes why not just lob a howitzer round downrange.
As for those that say get a bow I have one and was extremely proficient with it. Why should archers get so much time??? just because they supposedly can't shoot 250 yards?. Get out do some scouting and become a hunter instead of an arrow slinger and quit being so dayum lazy.
Post by: Mtn.Ghost on September 16, 2014, 09:35:52 PM
Yea this is gonna get a lot of flak and I'm probably gonna be called all kinds of things but I seriously believe that they should restrict the archery and Ml seasons to the same amount of time they allow for Modern.
If 9 days is good enough for modern deer season then it is good enough for Archery and ML. The heck with this crap of the entire month then another season for late without having to draw special tags......
For most, modern is not so much hunting as it is killing. Take that easy 100, 200, 300 yd+ shot on that animal you glassed in the clearing from your truck. You don't need more than 9 days to accomplish that :rolleyes: That's why I made the choice over 10 yrs ago to switch to archery, it's actually has put the hunt back in hunting. You have the choice to try something new if you could be open minded. Who knows you might like it if you tried it :dunno: probably more than we current bow hunter's like your bonehead idea of stripping us of the opportunities we have based on the method we choose to hunt :tup:
Post by: Sliverslinger on September 16, 2014, 09:55:16 PM
:dunno:
Post by: bobdog86 on September 16, 2014, 10:03:25 PM
Post by: Woods_Warrior on September 16, 2014, 10:22:16 PM
I think some short primitive seasons would be fun and challenging without impacting total harvest numbers too much.
Post by: csaaphill on September 16, 2014, 10:23:48 PM
Dude, REALLY??? Rifle (now days 500+ yards isnt uncommon perfect example last yr my sister shot her deer with my FULLY SETUP LONG RANGE .243 at 520 yards) muzzy 150 yards or so and the average archer 40 yards or so??? Cry me a damn river and make sure its filled with fish.Well if you have to shoot 500+yards to get a deer or any game in WA it just shows that you lack real hunting abilities to be able to get closer Cripes why not just lob a howitzer round downrange.
As for those that say get a bow I have one and was extremely proficient with it. Why should archers get so much time??? just because they supposedly can't shoot 250 yards?. Get out do some scouting and become a hunter instead of an arrow slinger and quit being so dayum lazy.
:chuckle: :yeah:
never anything out more than a 100yds.
I've layed my :twocents: to WDFW many times doesn't seem to matter the status quoe rules no matter what.
One said the divide and conquer statement which i get. for now you have three factions each trying to hang on to their own, and isn't in our best interests,
Seems like the only voices ever heard are those that live or are close enough to olympia to make the public meetings and that sucks.
I've emailed our regional office many times over the 3pt restrictions on how there are way too many two pts rather than 3pt or better but all they say is ill pass it on then nothing.
I think WDFW are closet anti hunters who just dont' give a rats a__ .
I'd agree this weapons allocation thing has been a total washout.
I can remember gettign a deer tag and beign able to hunt almost anywhere you wanted. I remember too being able to get a elk tag and not have to chose weather you want west side or eastside.
you could if you had the money hit the eastside then head to the Olympics for a few days, but now can't if you chose Eastern.
personally get rid of this weapons allocation thing lengthen the total season and if you want to hunt with all those other weapons.
or bring back the idea you can hunt all the seasons if you chose to.
Jingles you were right you are catching flak but think if they didn't have so they have to hang on to what they have then you wouldn't be near as much.
FYI being able to hunt all seasons instead of only chosing one method does not mean more animals just more opportunity to hunt if you didn't tag out in one season go after them in the other.
'I've hunted with a bow it's ok just too damned hot and too far to go in the late season so chose the modern seasone but agree change need to happen!
Post by: Mtn.Ghost on September 16, 2014, 10:37:31 PM
I never had to work very hard to harvest animals with a rifle that were well beyond any bow range. I have had to work my butt of to get into bow range many times though. I personally wont shoot over 50 yds max even though I'm capable of it, I don't but that's my ethics.
I agree with other statements. We need to be supporting all methods and promoting ethical hunting not trashing on each other for our chosen method/weapon :tup:
Post by: csaaphill on September 16, 2014, 10:39:35 PM
easy to say it's bad to have a bit of a longer rifle season when you never knew it exhisted.
But isnt that what all this is about to get us all to use muzzloaders. or bows and your all falling for it too.
:yike: :bash: :bash: :bash:
Post by: csaaphill on September 16, 2014, 10:42:32 PM
I agree with other statements. We need to be supporting all methods and promoting ethical hunting not trashing on each other for our chosen method/weapon :tup:
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Post by: Billdos Uncle on September 17, 2014, 06:31:38 AM
Dude, REALLY??? Rifle (now days 500+ yards isnt uncommon perfect example last yr my sister shot her deer with my FULLY SETUP LONG RANGE .243 at 520 yards) muzzy 150 yards or so and the average archer 40 yards or so??? Cry me a damn river and make sure its filled with fish.Well if you have to shoot 500+yards to get a deer or any game in WA it just shows that you lack real hunting abilities to be able to get closer Cripes why not just lob a howitzer round downrange.
As for those that say get a bow I have one and was extremely proficient with it. Why should archers get so much time??? just because they supposedly can't shoot 250 yards?. Get out do some scouting and become a hunter instead of an arrow slinger and quit being so dayum lazy.
If your so proficient with a bow then u should be 100% proficient with a muzzloader or modern... Its common sense! The hunt in general is harder and it seems like people all over the nation see that... That's why every state has a longer archery season DUH... :dunno: :chuckle:
Post by: westsidehntr on September 17, 2014, 09:06:32 AM
Dude, REALLY??? Rifle (now days 500+ yards isnt uncommon perfect example last yr my sister shot her deer with my FULLY SETUP LONG RANGE .243 at 520 yards) muzzy 150 yards or so and the average archer 40 yards or so??? Cry me a damn river and make sure its filled with fish.Well if you have to shoot 500+yards to get a deer or any game in WA it just shows that you lack real hunting abilities to be able to get closer Cripes why not just lob a howitzer round downrange.
As for those that say get a bow I have one and was extremely proficient with it. Why should archers get so much time??? just because they supposedly can't shoot 250 yards?. Get out do some scouting and become a hunter instead of an arrow slinger and quit being so dayum lazy.
Live defiant die defiant i guess
Post by: pianoman9701 on September 17, 2014, 09:37:24 AM
Dude, REALLY??? Rifle (now days 500+ yards isnt uncommon perfect example last yr my sister shot her deer with my FULLY SETUP LONG RANGE .243 at 520 yards) muzzy 150 yards or so and the average archer 40 yards or so??? Cry me a damn river and make sure its filled with fish.Well if you have to shoot 500+yards to get a deer or any game in WA it just shows that you lack real hunting abilities to be able to get closer Cripes why not just lob a howitzer round downrange.
As for those that say get a bow I have one and was extremely proficient with it. Why should archers get so much time??? just because they supposedly can't shoot 250 yards?. Get out do some scouting and become a hunter instead of an arrow slinger and quit being so dayum lazy.
Live defiant die defiant i guess
If you didn't have to wait until November to hunt, maybe you wouldn't be like this to other hunters in September. Pick up the bow you're so proficient at and possibly you wouldn't need all the Advil Extra Strength PMS and Stress pills. Just sayin', Jingles.
Post by: KimberRich on September 17, 2014, 09:59:15 AM
Dude, REALLY??? Rifle (now days 500+ yards isnt uncommon perfect example last yr my sister shot her deer with my FULLY SETUP LONG RANGE .243 at 520 yards) muzzy 150 yards or so and the average archer 40 yards or so??? Cry me a damn river and make sure its filled with fish.Well if you have to shoot 500+yards to get a deer or any game in WA it just shows that you lack real hunting abilities to be able to get closer Cripes why not just lob a howitzer round downrange.
As for those that say get a bow I have one and was extremely proficient with it. Why should archers get so much time??? just because they supposedly can't shoot 250 yards?. Get out do some scouting and become a hunter instead of an arrow slinger and quit being so dayum lazy.
Live defiant die defiant i guess
If you didn't have to wait until November to hunt, maybe you wouldn't be like this to other hunters in September. Pick up the bow you're so proficient at and possibly you wouldn't need all the Advil Extra Strength PMS and Stress pills. Just sayin', Jingles.
Was that supposed to read Advil Extra Strength PMS or Advil Extra Strength PM's? Either way I laughed. :chuckle:
Post by: TriggerMike on September 17, 2014, 11:16:34 AM
Post by: whacker1 on September 17, 2014, 02:22:48 PM
It was said on here one time, by a moderator.
- Some hunters hunt for meat and are perfectly content with that
- Some hunters choose a weapon based on the season as an opportunist
- Some hunters select the weapon method due to their love for that particular weapon
- Some hunters select season based on time off or GMU of choice
- Some hunters select species to hunt based on opportunity
- Some hunters are trophy hunters and looking for the largest possible animal.
- Some hunters use tree stands, ground blinds, still hunting, spot and stalk, or run and gun
- Some hunters like the kill.
- Some hunters like the chase
- Some hunters just like to be away from the rat race and be out in the woods with birds chirping and chipmunks giving away their location.
- Some hunters like to be gear whores and buy the newest fangled gadget.
- Some hunters hunt the areas they do with the weapons and styles of choice based on the way their families and mentors did it. It is what they know.
My point is that it is wrong to put down one method, reason, etc., just because you don't agree with it, and it isn't the way you would do it. I have spent the last 4 years since I read this statement trying to understand why I do what I do. It wasn't until I looked inward and tried different methods that I gained an appreciation for the entire sport and different methods. I think it is very short sighted to put each other against one another over methods, ideas, and reasons for doing what we do. Nothing is to gain from it. This entire thread is designed to start an argument between us. :stirthepot:
If you want to have a real discussion on the subject, let's talk about why we do what we do. Is it the thrill of the chase? Is it the rush of the bugle in your face from 12 paces away? is it the meat on the table? Or is it a blend of all these things with some ranked higher than others?
If I were a moderator, I would lock this thread unless the direction changes, because so far there is no postive input in the discussion.
Post by: washelkhunter on September 17, 2014, 02:31:44 PM
I find this whole thread ridiculous, If I were a moderator, I would lock this thread unless the direction changes, because so far there is no postive input in the discussion.
GOD! Lets all just hope you never become a mod, tho you'd fit right in im sure.
Post by: Billdos Uncle on September 17, 2014, 02:34:55 PM
:yeah:I find this whole thread ridiculous, If I were a moderator, I would lock this thread unless the direction changes, because so far there is no postive input in the discussion.
GOD! Lets all just hope you never become a mod, tho you'd fit right in im sure.
Post by: Kazekurt on September 17, 2014, 05:53:03 PM
Post by: Kazekurt on September 17, 2014, 06:07:47 PM
Post by: bobcat on September 17, 2014, 07:32:13 PM
Post by: Jingles on September 17, 2014, 08:32:01 PM
Post by: hughjorgan on September 17, 2014, 08:36:50 PM
Ok maybe not shorten archery season but then Do away with limiting what hunting method you are going to use. If you purchase a deer tag you get to go hunting with the weapon during the appropriate "Season" why restrict modern or ML to a few days when archery has all dayum late summer and fall....
So get rid of the choose your weapon regulation?
Post by: Dan-o on September 17, 2014, 08:44:59 PM
That would leave lots of game for us archers and muzzleloaders?
(sorry, but I thought as long as we were picking on each other that this actually made more sense, because we could all have longer seasons.)
Post by: Kazekurt on September 17, 2014, 08:45:15 PM
Ok maybe not shorten archery season but then Do away with limiting what hunting method you are going to use. If you purchase a deer tag you get to go hunting with the weapon during the appropriate "Season" why restrict modern or ML to a few days when archery has all dayum late summer and fall....
They are kind of moving in this direction as they've increased the multi tags several times. Unfortunately, I think it's more about generating money then it is about allowing more access. At least, they rarely seem to sell out so you can do it it just cost you $180. I pay it every year and always seem to get my moneys worth as days afield are important to me. Montana has the running season with no weapon restrictions and it's nice. It might cause a little crowding in Washington but you would still only get one deer. I think the multi success rate runs about 10% higher so it would result in a few more animals being killed but that could be accounted for. I don't see the state ever giving up the increased tag fee though
Post by: lamrith on September 17, 2014, 08:50:04 PM
Ok maybe not shorten archery season but then Do away with limiting what hunting method you are going to use. If you purchase a deer tag you get to go hunting with the weapon during the appropriate "Season" why restrict modern or ML to a few days when archery has all dayum late summer and fall....
So a deer tag automatically is a multi-season tag. Never happen.. Takes revenue away from the state! :sry:
What exactly is your point or desired result from this Jingles, are you looking to lower harvest numbers, or just pissed because Modern has a shorter season? If the latter, as has been said, then pick up your bow and enjoy the earlier and longer season! If the former, then going multi-season makes no sense as you would drastically increase the pressure over a longer period of time on the herds so hunting quality for all would go down.
Post by: Kazekurt on September 17, 2014, 08:51:15 PM
Why not just do away with modern rifle seasons?
That would leave lots of game for us archers and muzzleloaders?
(sorry, but I thought as long as we were picking on each other that this actually made more sense, because we could all have longer seasons.)
I'm pretty sure you meant this as a joke but I would never be in favor of this. The moment we don't need guns for hunting the Libs will think we don't need them period. Plus, some hunters have injuries and such where muzzle loader and archery are not really options for them. We certainly don't want to reduce our numbers or the antis will overrule us. everybody deserves the right to play we just have to find a happy balance. If it were up to me, we would do more for the youth hunters though.
Post by: Bean Counter on September 17, 2014, 09:08:31 PM
You only have this kind of discussion in a "choose your weapon" state. Most states the archery season is 3+ months long. Nary a whisper of envy from the modern folks, because they can hunt with a bow if they want to.
To give an example of this, here's how it works in Arizona:
On January 1, you can buy an OTC archery deer tag. You can hunt January 1-31, 3 weeks in Late Aug/Early Sept, and then last two weeks of December with it. When the June rifle drawing comes out, you can put in for a rifle tag in hopes of drawing an Oct, Nov, or Dec rifle deer tag. If you draw it, you can still hunt the Aug/Sept season with the bow and tag out then if you want to, and also hunt your October tag if you haven't killed one with a bow by then. If you don't manage to kill one in October, you can kill one in December with the bow again. Bag limit is one deer per hunter per year, but you effectively have two interwoven hunting options. Some travel in from out of state for the last few days of the year and kill two deer in one trip, one for the 2014 OTC archery tag and then a few days later with the 2015 OTC tag.
Post by: no.cen.wa on September 17, 2014, 09:20:02 PM
That being said,,, WDFW is trying to make MONEY! count the MR licenses, thats where they make the money and it won't change. Just the fact, they want the MONEY!
John
Post by: Snapshot on September 17, 2014, 09:26:27 PM
...What I would really like to see is a true primitive season combined. Hunters limited to sidelock ML,s of the hawken kentucky rifle variety and archers limited to wood long bows-recurves only and lets have a 20 day season. Relegate the inlines, compounds and crossbows to modern only. Return to the original intent of ml and ar seasons in Wa.
:yeah:
Post by: Dan-o on September 17, 2014, 09:31:44 PM
Why not just do away with modern rifle seasons?
That would leave lots of game for us archers and muzzleloaders?
(sorry, but I thought as long as we were picking on each other that this actually made more sense, because we could all have longer seasons.)
I'm pretty sure you meant this as a joke but I would never be in favor of this. The moment we don't need guns for hunting the Libs will think we don't need them period. Plus, some hunters have injuries and such where muzzle loader and archery are not really options for them. We certainly don't want to reduce our numbers or the antis will overrule us. everybody deserves the right to play we just have to find a happy balance. If it were up to me, we would do more for the youth hunters though.
You are correct.... I was not serious. I just get tired of one group of hunters trying to take away from another.... so I thought I'd try it.
Good night.
Post by: Seahawk12 on September 17, 2014, 09:42:10 PM
I have not seen a great reason for reducing the number of days in the archery season. I have seen several good reasons for keeping it like it is or even extending it out further.
1: Harvest numbers are miniscule as compared to the modern firearms numbers.
2: Hunters travel throughout the state and help many small communities economies.
3: A radical reduction in time allowed would cause many bow hunters to switch to MF. Considering the success rate of hunting MF the WDFW would then be forced to reduce the number of days for MF in order to maintain a sustainable herd size. (Then this debate could start over and we could go full circle.)
4: Extending the archery season may lure some more MF and ML hunters to switch to archery. Because of the vast difference in success rates the WDFW could then extend the seasons of all other hunting methods in order to keep the herd sizes manageable.
Those are just a few of the reasons that I personally find the most compelling.
This year, and for the last several years I have hunted modern, but I began hunting and hunted for many years with a bow. I still have the bow and find time to practice with it occasionally. I imagine I will use it again in the next few years. For this reason I don't think I am too biased one way or the other. Except maybe against those pesky ML people. (JK! I think ML looks fun too.)
Post by: csaaphill on September 17, 2014, 09:46:10 PM
Ok maybe not shorten archery season but then Do away with limiting what hunting method you are going to use. If you purchase a deer tag you get to go hunting with the weapon during the appropriate "Season" why restrict modern or ML to a few days when archery has all dayum late summer and fall....:yeah:
ya go back to how it was years ago when you had a good long season for all and didn't have to chose just one weapon.
Post by: bobcat on September 17, 2014, 10:06:09 PM
Ok maybe not shorten archery season but then Do away with limiting what hunting method you are going to use. If you purchase a deer tag you get to go hunting with the weapon during the appropriate "Season" why restrict modern or ML to a few days when archery has all dayum late summer and fall....:yeah:
ya go back to how it was years ago when you had a good long season for all and didn't have to chose just one weapon.
Then let's just go back to before there were any seasons at all.
Post by: idahohuntr on September 17, 2014, 10:15:29 PM
:chuckle:Ok maybe not shorten archery season but then Do away with limiting what hunting method you are going to use. If you purchase a deer tag you get to go hunting with the weapon during the appropriate "Season" why restrict modern or ML to a few days when archery has all dayum late summer and fall....:yeah:
ya go back to how it was years ago when you had a good long season for all and didn't have to chose just one weapon.
Then let's just go back to before there were any seasons at all.
Post by: bobcat on September 17, 2014, 10:34:18 PM
:chuckle:Ok maybe not shorten archery season but then Do away with limiting what hunting method you are going to use. If you purchase a deer tag you get to go hunting with the weapon during the appropriate "Season" why restrict modern or ML to a few days when archery has all dayum late summer and fall....:yeah:
ya go back to how it was years ago when you had a good long season for all and didn't have to chose just one weapon.
Then let's just go back to before there were any seasons at all.
That's right. No hunting licenses, no tags, no seasons, no limits! It's gonna be great! All the OPPORTUNITY! I won't even have time to work anymore, I'll quit my job and hunt full time, year around! Isn't that what we all want? :IBCOOL:
Post by: Skinnyguts on September 17, 2014, 10:44:27 PM
Dude, REALLY??? Rifle (now days 500+ yards isnt uncommon perfect example last yr my sister shot her deer with my FULLY SETUP LONG RANGE .243 at 520 yards) muzzy 150 yards or so and the average archer 40 yards or so??? Cry me a damn river and make sure its filled with fish.Well if you have to shoot 500+yards to get a deer or any game in WA it just shows that you lack real hunting abilities to be able to get closer Cripes why not just lob a howitzer round downrange.
As for those that say get a bow I have one and was extremely proficient with it. Why should archers get so much time??? just because they supposedly can't shoot 250 yards?. Get out do some scouting and become a hunter instead of an arrow slinger and quit being so dayum lazy.
Since you're apparently the Chuck Norris of hunting, why are you whining about how much time people get to hunt? You sound like you only need one day.
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on September 17, 2014, 11:27:07 PM
Yea this is gonna get a lot of flak and I'm probably gonna be called all kinds of things but I seriously believe that they should restrict the archery and Ml seasons to the same amount of time they allow for Modern.
If 9 days is good enough for modern deer season then it is good enough for Archery and ML. The heck with this crap of the entire month then another season for late without having to draw special tags......
You're comparing apples to road apples, but of course you know that. Also, if you think primitive weapons hunters have some sort of an advantage over modern hunters, then just buy a primitive tag and go for it. There is nothing stopping you except your own stubbornness. We all have the same choices and make our decision on what is important to us. You sound like a guy who wants to have all the advantages of modern technology when you are hunting, like say a weapon that's going to go off every time you pull the trigger and a super powerful scope for next zip code killing. So you choose modern season. Some guys like more time or a challenge or maybe the season fits their schedule better than modern season, so they go with a primitive tag.
But it's pretty selfish and self centered to make your choice, then decide since you didn't want to choose differently that you get to pick the rules for the guys who chose differently than you.
I'll make a counter proposal. I say modern rifle hunters should be restricted to the same rules as primitive hunters just to make things equal. That means you have to hunt with a single shot and open sights because that's what muzzle loader hunters are restricted to. you also have to hunt deer with a .45 caliber or larger gun and other big game must be hunted with .50 caliber or larger.
Post by: bobcat on September 17, 2014, 11:32:59 PM
Post by: washelkhunter on September 17, 2014, 11:43:06 PM
:dunno:
I'll make a counter proposal. I say modern rifle hunters should be restricted to the same rules as primitive hunters just to make things equal. That means you have to hunt with a single shot and open sights because that's what muzzle loader hunters are restricted to. you also have to hunt deer with a .45 caliber or larger gun and other big game must be hunted with .50 caliber or
larger.
Post by: Woods_Warrior on September 17, 2014, 11:44:08 PM
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on September 17, 2014, 11:55:08 PM
Dang, so my 338 Ultra Mag won't be big enough for deer? :o
Sorry Bobcat, that little pea shooter will be worthless when I am king.
Post by: RadSav on September 18, 2014, 12:09:02 AM
Violators lose hunting privileges for life!
We just want to make things fare...right?
Post by: elkoholic1 on September 19, 2014, 12:51:14 PM
Post by: Woods_Warrior on September 20, 2014, 11:19:46 AM
Post by: bigbeamhunter on September 20, 2014, 09:45:08 PM
Post by: Billdos Uncle on September 22, 2014, 07:55:25 AM
If you are talking deer, I wouldn't. The most productive time of the early season is the first few days when you can take advantage of the bucks being in their velvet stages.Look at his name... Elk is in it so he is probably referring to elk which I agree I would take 9 days in late September or early October instead of the first week of September... :twocents:
Post by: bobcat on September 22, 2014, 07:56:40 AM
Post by: Billdos Uncle on September 22, 2014, 08:03:02 AM
This is the "Deer Hunting" board.If u look at the title u will see its general talk in my opinion... doesn't refer to either season
Post by: Billdos Uncle on September 22, 2014, 08:04:10 AM
Post by: PA BEN on September 23, 2014, 07:09:53 AM
Yea this is gonna get a lot of flak and I'm probably gonna be called all kinds of things but I seriously believe that they should restrict the archery and Ml seasons to the same amount of time they allow for Modern.Stop your whining, out of all the groups ML guys are getting screwed, but I don't see them on here trying to cut your season.
If 9 days is good enough for modern deer season then it is good enough for Archery and ML. The heck with this crap of the entire month then another season for late without having to draw special tags......
Modern Firearm General Deer Seasons
High Buck Hunts 11 days
General Season
9, 14 and 21 days depending on where you hunt.
Late General Season
4 and 12 days depending on where you hunt. 44 days
Early Archery General Deer Seasons
10,15, 21 and 26 days depending on where you hunt.
Late Archery General Deer Seasons
6,10,13,16,19, 20, 23, 36, days depending on where you hunt. 72 days
ML High Buck Hunts
10, 11 days depending on where you hunt
Early Muzzleloader General Deer Seasons
9 days all units
Late Muzzleloader General Deer Seasons
9, 10, 11, 15,19, days depending on where you hunt. 28 days.
Post by: Billdos Uncle on September 23, 2014, 07:15:17 AM
Hahaha I would take ML elk season and switch it with archery any day of the week. U make a lot of sense :bash:... :chuckle: YOUR ELK SEASON IS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE RUT!!! ALONG WITH DEER SEASON TOO... IF U CANT GET A BUCK WITH AN ML IN 9 DAYS U SHOULD QUIT AND GO BACK TO MODERNYea this is gonna get a lot of flak and I'm probably gonna be called all kinds of things but I seriously believe that they should restrict the archery and Ml seasons to the same amount of time they allow for Modern.Stop your whining, out of all the groups ML guys are getting screwed, but I don't see them on here trying to cut your season.
If 9 days is good enough for modern deer season then it is good enough for Archery and ML. The heck with this crap of the entire month then another season for late without having to draw special tags......
Modern Firearm General Deer Seasons
High Buck Hunts 11 days
General Season
9, 14 and 21 days depending on where you hunt.
Late General Season
4 and 12 days depending on where you hunt. 44 days
Early Archery General Deer Seasons
10,15, 21 and 26 days depending on where you hunt.
Late Archery General Deer Seasons
6,10,13,16,19, 20, 23, 36, days depending on where you hunt. 72 days
ML High Buck Hunts
10, 11 days depending on where you hunt
Early Muzzleloader General Deer Seasons
9 days all units
Late Muzzleloader General Deer Seasons
9, 10, 11, 15,19, days depending on where you hunt. 28 days.
Post by: bobcat on September 23, 2014, 07:39:47 AM
Just like mule deer and blacktail deer- no general season the first two weeks of November.
Post by: Billdos Uncle on September 23, 2014, 07:50:08 AM
Post by: Billdos Uncle on September 23, 2014, 07:53:01 AM
There is no general elk season "in the middle of the rut." The peak of the rut is after archery season and before muzzleloader season. And that's obviously set that way intentionally to protect the bulls at the time that they are most vulnerable.So for dates pre rut end of august to mid September and mid sepetmber to mid October is rut then mid October to November is post rut...
Just like mule deer and blacktail deer- no general season the first two weeks of November.
Post by: Billdos Uncle on September 23, 2014, 07:54:36 AM
And I believe this varies by a week depending on weather...There is no general elk season "in the middle of the rut." The peak of the rut is after archery season and before muzzleloader season. And that's obviously set that way intentionally to protect the bulls at the time that they are most vulnerable.So for dates pre rut end of august to mid September and mid sepetmber to mid October is rut then mid October to November is post rut...
Just like mule deer and blacktail deer- no general season the first two weeks of November.
Post by: Bookworm007 on September 23, 2014, 10:36:56 AM
I used to hunt modern firearm but now hunt muzzleloader. I changed because there are less hunters in the field. I could care less about harvest numbers, I care more about being able to hunt without rubbing elbows will every other bubba out there. Also we get a lot less special draw options, but we also get to hunt a little earlier. I don't see anyway to balance it better that will not cause more confusing regulations or cost the average hunting more money.
just my :twocents:
Post by: Billdos Uncle on September 23, 2014, 10:40:23 AM
I will admit that I have not been around to witness the changes from how hunting used to be in washington to how they are now, but I will tell you what I have noticed. First there are a lot of hunter and not a lot of animals......... this means somebody is not going to get a buck. It doesn't matter what your weapon is that is just how it goes. Next whenever something gets changed with the government whether it is taxes, regs, whatever we seem to be worse off. They are going to restrict you more, charge you more for less ect ect. And lastly I like the way the seasons are set up personally. I believe they do a good job balancing the advantages of each season. Archery folks have to get pretty darn close to have a comfortable shot which is not easy, also pulling back and aiming that bow is a heck of a lot harder than looking down a scope on a stump. Muzzleloaders have to have open sights, you really only have one shot, limited range, and oh yeah when that powder or cap gets wet you are just screwed. Then there are the modern guys, the army of orange. Yeah you get last pick but you get the easiest method and a late season that is generally the rut for deer.the only people that aren't happy is the modern guys in my opinion.... Have yet to see an archery guy complain or a muzzy guy besides the last guy who is just off his rocker... :yeah:
I used to hunt modern firearm but now hunt muzzleloader. I changed because there are less hunters in the field. I could care less about harvest numbers, I care more about being able to hunt without rubbing elbows will every other bubba out there. Also we get a lot less special draw options, but we also get to hunt a little earlier. I don't see anyway to balance it better that will not cause more confusing regulations or cost the average hunting more money.
just my :twocents:
Post by: Billdos Uncle on September 23, 2014, 10:43:14 AM
One more thing to add on is that elk season for archery overlaps with deer season! that's every single day of elk.. If u look a muzzy u only have the 4 and 5 of October overlap with deer so re do ur calculationsYea this is gonna get a lot of flak and I'm probably gonna be called all kinds of things but I seriously believe that they should restrict the archery and Ml seasons to the same amount of time they allow for Modern.Stop your whining, out of all the groups ML guys are getting screwed, but I don't see them on here trying to cut your season.
If 9 days is good enough for modern deer season then it is good enough for Archery and ML. The heck with this crap of the entire month then another season for late without having to draw special tags......
Modern Firearm General Deer Seasons
High Buck Hunts 11 days
General Season
9, 14 and 21 days depending on where you hunt.
Late General Season
4 and 12 days depending on where you hunt. 44 days
Early Archery General Deer Seasons
10,15, 21 and 26 days depending on where you hunt.
Late Archery General Deer Seasons
6,10,13,16,19, 20, 23, 36, days depending on where you hunt. 72 days
ML High Buck Hunts
10, 11 days depending on where you hunt
Early Muzzleloader General Deer Seasons
9 days all units
Late Muzzleloader General Deer Seasons
9, 10, 11, 15,19, days depending on where you hunt. 28 days.
Post by: Jonathan_S on September 23, 2014, 10:51:08 AM
Dude, REALLY??? Rifle (now days 500+ yards isnt uncommon perfect example last yr my sister shot her deer with my FULLY SETUP LONG RANGE .243 at 520 yards) muzzy 150 yards or so and the average archer 40 yards or so??? Cry me a damn river and make sure its filled with fish.Well if you have to shoot 500+yards to get a deer or any game in WA it just shows that you lack real hunting abilities to be able to get closer Cripes why not just lob a howitzer round downrange.
As for those that say get a bow I have one and was extremely proficient with it. Why should archers get so much time??? just because they supposedly can't shoot 250 yards? Get out do some scouting and become a hunter instead of an arrow slinger and quit being so dayum lazy.
??? supposedly?
:party1:
Post by: Billdos Uncle on September 23, 2014, 11:12:50 AM
total number of days of elk and deer..
Modern(if u have east side elk)-53
Modern(if u have west side elk)-56
Muzzy(if u have east side elk)-68
Muzzy(if u have west side elk)-66
Archery(if u have east side elk)-74
Archery(if u have west side elk)-72
1. if u look at the late season for muzzy and archery for elk they overlap or are the same exact days... And who would have the advantage during those days.. the guy that can shoot farther so muzzy
2. archery elk and deer overlap so if u have an eastside elk tag and are hunting deer on the west it takes away your hunting for either elk or deer, so the actual days for archery is less... Unless u are hunting elk and deer in the same spot.. (which I don't) I hunt deer over east elk on the west.. so u can take away for me 13 days of hunting for deer because I would rather be hunting elk... so my number would be 59 days of hunting..
Post by: huntnnw on September 23, 2014, 09:30:06 PM
Post by: jasnt on September 23, 2014, 09:35:31 PM
So I went thru and did my own calculations...
total number of days of elk and deer..
Modern(if u have east side elk)-53
Modern(if u have west side elk)-56
Muzzy(if u have east side elk)-68
Muzzy(if u have west side elk)-66
Archery(if u have east side elk)-74
Archery(if u have west side elk)-72
1. if u look at the late season for muzzy and archery for elk they overlap or are the same exact days... And who would have the advantage during those days.. the guy that can shoot farther so muzzy
2. archery elk and deer overlap so if u have an eastside elk tag and are hunting deer on the west it takes away your hunting for either elk or deer, so the actual days for archery is less... Unless u are hunting elk and deer in the same spot.. (which I don't) I hunt deer over east elk on the west.. so u can take away for me 13 days of hunting for deer because I would rather be hunting elk... so my number would be 59 days of hunting..
well around here we get 7 days to hunt elk with a smokepole!
yup and 9 days for modern.
Post by: csaaphill on September 23, 2014, 11:30:23 PM
Post by: huntnnw on September 23, 2014, 11:38:07 PM
Post by: PA BEN on September 26, 2014, 06:15:16 AM
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on September 26, 2014, 07:47:53 AM
Just my :twocents: With all the hunters and the time spent in the woods by all the hunter groups, the game right now gets pushed pretty hard before going into winter. If we all could hunt every season w/one over the counter tag the game would suffer for it. Again just my :twocents:
Agreed. Unless of course the State then reduced all seasons, which they would of course.
Seasons are regulated by length for one purpose and one purpose only and it isn't to favor one group over another. The reason is to hit a target harvest number and to do that they have to consider the number of hunters likely to participate, and the traditional success rate of whatever method of hunting is used. The reason Primitive seasons are longer is because the success rate and participation is lower than in Modern hunts. The more hunters and the more successful they are, the shorter seasons have to be to stay within the target harvest range. It's simple math really.
The seasons are set well before a hunter needs to choose which method he'll use. So if you think one method has an advantage, there is nothing to stop you from choosing that method when you buy your tag.
Post by: pianoman9701 on September 26, 2014, 08:33:53 AM
Just my :twocents: With all the hunters and the time spent in the woods by all the hunter groups, the game right now gets pushed pretty hard before going into winter. If we all could hunt every season w/one over the counter tag the game would suffer for it. Again just my :twocents:
I wonder why that isn't the case in other states that allow hunting in all seasons for all hunters? I don't think you can make that statement without backing it up with scientific data. The fact that we would still only be able to bag one big game animal and the fact that many don't have the implements to hunt all seasons, and the fact that hunter numbers are declining more rapidly in WA than in the US as a whole might bring a different conclusion.
Post by: bobcat on September 26, 2014, 04:46:31 PM
Just my :twocents: With all the hunters and the time spent in the woods by all the hunter groups, the game right now gets pushed pretty hard before going into winter. If we all could hunt every season w/one over the counter tag the game would suffer for it. Again just my :twocents:
I wonder why that isn't the case in other states that allow hunting in all seasons for all hunters? I don't think you can make that statement without backing it up with scientific data. The fact that we would still only be able to bag one big game animal and the fact that many don't have the implements to hunt all seasons, and the fact that hunter numbers are declining more rapidly in WA than in the US as a whole might bring a different conclusion.
The fact is, most people don't kill a deer or an elk every year, so the point that we could still only harvest one of each means nothing. If people are given more time to hunt, the success rate will go up, and more animals will be harvested, period.