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Title: ALW - Stolen SD card, proposal.
Post by: WA1232 on September 24, 2014, 06:17:40 PM
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Humm.....

Well, I suppose you thought you did me a favor by stealing my SD card and not my entire camera? Nope. Instead of stealing my money (camera) you stole my hard work, time, and energy. I packed the camera six miles into the wilderness and 1,500 vertical feet above the trail. I checked the camera twice during the summer; adding more bait and batteries each time.

It had to be one of the Fat-Cat drop camp guys. You know, someone that doesn't appreciate how much work it is to hunt the wilderness.

So, Mr. Fat-Cat, send me my SD card and I will gladly send you my camera. Lets trade. No? Well, Karma is a wonderful thing. Next time you step of that curb and you break an ankle, think of me. Your garage door squished you kids cat? think of me. You car slips out of gear, and takes out the neighbors house? You get the idea.....
Title: Re: ALW - Stolen SD card, proposal.
Post by: SCRUBS on September 24, 2014, 06:24:27 PM
That sucks man.

If you pm me the gps coordinates, I`ll go up there and watch your camera for you  :chuckle:.

Looks like some beautiful country.
Title: Re: ALW - Stolen SD card, proposal.
Post by: trophyhunt on September 24, 2014, 06:25:26 PM
After having my sd card stolen last year, and my cousin's camera stolen this year, I'm wishing bad things on these a holes as well!! Amazing how many camera's are getting stolen, what a bunch of *censored*s out there. 
Title: Re: ALW - Stolen SD card, proposal.
Post by: Thehowler on September 24, 2014, 07:38:04 PM
Guess I have been very lucky with my cams. I do not spend big money on high quality stuff, do not lock anything up, they are not very far off the trails,but I hide them well. Worsted thing that happened was someone stoled pictures off a cam that sat for 1 1/2 months. Good area, I only received the last 2 days of photos. :yike:
Title: Re: ALW - Stolen SD card, proposal.
Post by: Nice Racks on September 24, 2014, 08:11:59 PM
I agree about the hard work, time and energy. Last year I had someone reviewing my pics and then deleting them; hoping I was stupid enough to think nothing was in the area. It may have worked if there wasn't all of these fresh elk tracks everywhere. This year I added and python lock and locked up my access door with a pad lock.
Title: Re: ALW - Stolen SD card, proposal.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on September 24, 2014, 08:36:45 PM
I hate to say it but, anything left on public lands is expected to be stolen. So, all though I feel for you guys, you really can't bitch.
Title: Re: ALW - Stolen SD card, proposal.
Post by: WA1232 on September 24, 2014, 10:40:46 PM
I hate to say it but, anything left on public lands is expected to be stolen. So, all though I feel for you guys, you really can't bitch.

I hope this guy doesn't swing by your camp while you are out hunting. After all, you left you tent and gear unattended on public land....
Title: Re: ALW - Stolen SD card, proposal.
Post by: Thehowler on September 24, 2014, 10:41:59 PM
Really, sounds like the latest thieven news to me being put out there. But thanks anyways for staightening everyone out there campmeat.
Title: Re: ALW - Stolen SD card, proposal.
Post by: huntnnw on September 24, 2014, 10:47:35 PM
 :rolleyes:
Title: Re: ALW - Stolen SD card, proposal.
Post by: huntnnw on September 24, 2014, 10:53:21 PM
 :rolleyes:
Title: Re: ALW - Stolen SD card, proposal.
Post by: bobcat on September 24, 2014, 11:18:54 PM
I hope the guy who stole the camera doesn't plan on using it- that would be illegal.  :yike:

I'm sure he was only trying to do the right thing and remove litter from the wilderness.  :tup:
Title: Re: ALW - Stolen SD card, proposal.
Post by: Hunter Dug on September 25, 2014, 11:13:07 AM
Ill have to admit this year while hunting a wilderness area I found a stand, camera, and bait.  I just so happen to have a small pack camera that can read most sd card formats.  I pulled the card looked at the pics and returned everything the way I found it. No one needs to steal the trail cam just get one of these pack cameras, and check the sd cards, let the other person pack all the bait and crap in and you can just look at the pics.  :tup: Just make sure to put it all back the way you found it.
Title: Re: ALW - Stolen SD card, proposal.
Post by: greenhead_killer on September 25, 2014, 11:25:06 AM
I hate to say it but, anything left on public lands is expected to be stolen. So, all though I feel for you guys, you really can't bitch.
Oh wow! Golly that's a great mindset there dude. I guess if you park on the side of the road and leave your rig, it's on public land so I'll take what I want next time..hmm, I somehow have a problem with this mindset.
Title: Re: ALW - Stolen SD card, proposal.
Post by: 300rum on September 25, 2014, 11:42:59 AM
I am wondering if these "missing" SD cards are from people who don't appreciate their pic being taken.

They didn't take or destroy the camera, i am guessing they just didn't want their pic on there. 
Title: Re: ALW - Stolen SD card, proposal.
Post by: Skyvalhunter on September 25, 2014, 11:43:50 AM
Well sounds like you might have to take additional precautions just to be safe.
Title: Re: ALW - Stolen SD card, proposal.
Post by: boneaddict on September 25, 2014, 11:48:47 AM
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They didn't take or destroy the camera, i am guessing they just didn't want their pic on there

That was my thought, especially in a wilderness area. 
Title: Re: ALW - Stolen SD card, proposal.
Post by: CarbonHunter on September 25, 2014, 11:56:08 AM
One point to think about is that ALW is the #1 most visited wilderness area in America. You guys might think you are deep in the woods away from anywhere someone might travel but so does the other hunters and hikers and we all know that there is more than a handful of people out there who do not appreciate finding cameras and bait piles in the wilderness.

I decided this year not to waste my time putting out my camera and bait because the truth is if you really want to know what is in the area you can probably find someone else's camera within a 1/4 mile.  I also find it much easier to carry a digital camera than to pack a gallon of stump licker and a game camera in the woods.
Title: Re: ALW - Stolen SD card, proposal.
Post by: birddogdad on September 25, 2014, 11:57:17 AM
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They didn't take or destroy the camera, i am guessing they just didn't want their pic on there

That was my thought, especially in a wilderness area.
:yeah:
Title: Re: ALW - Stolen SD card, proposal.
Post by: brianmtsinc on September 25, 2014, 11:58:01 AM
Sorry to hear about your camera!   :bash: :bash:

And even more sorry to hear there are guys on hear that sound as though they almost support it.   :dunno: :dunno: ...  I see it on almost every "trail cam stolen thread" and it baffles me every time.   :dunno: :bash: :bash:

Title: Re: ALW - Stolen SD card, proposal.
Post by: CarbonHunter on September 25, 2014, 12:15:43 PM
Does anyone on here think that LEO's might be taking some of these cameras and SD cards?
Title: Re: ALW - Stolen SD card, proposal.
Post by: irishevox on September 25, 2014, 12:20:02 PM
ok so i am not for it at all, but  my question is why wasn;t your cam locked? or did they cut the lock?  And if you camera is on public land it can happen, i have stumbled on a trail cam in a public area and i just left it alone.... went back same place a week later and it was gone... i am saying that theft of any kind is wrong but if you put it on public land you can;t really be upset it got messed with like people said before at least no one stole you camera
Title: Re: ALW - Stolen SD card, proposal.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on September 25, 2014, 12:47:43 PM
I hate to say it but, anything left on public lands is expected to be stolen. So, all though I feel for you guys, you really can't bitch.

I hope this guy doesn't swing by your camp while you are out hunting. After all, you left you tent and gear unattended on public land....


Wrong.....
Title: Re: ALW - Stolen SD card, proposal.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on September 25, 2014, 12:51:56 PM
Some of you guys kill me. Your attitude is, leave my stuff alone, it's mine, unattended for weeks on end, and you expect people not to steal it, grow up.........
Title: Re: ALW - Stolen SD card, proposal.
Post by: trophyhunt on September 25, 2014, 01:03:17 PM
Sorry to hear about your camera!   :bash: :bash:

And even more sorry to hear there are guys on hear that sound as though they almost support it.   :dunno: :dunno: ...  I see it on almost every "trail cam stolen thread" and it baffles me every time.   :dunno: :bash: :bash:
i agree, I also don't get!  It's really no different than putting up a tent in the backcountry and expecting it to be left the hell alone.  It's really not hard to see someone camera or what ever in the woods and leave it the F alone.
Title: Re: ALW - Stolen SD card, proposal.
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on September 25, 2014, 01:34:26 PM
Don't leave your crab pots out, campmeat might snag em.... Make sure you lock your whole camp up, coolers, generator, etc. hell lets go shoot some free range angus while were at it, they are on public land!!! The farmers have to expect some to get shot right? I'm gonna laugh when you leave your beloved side by side alone while hunting and it gets stolen or vandalized, that is if you ever leave it?.....
Title: Re: ALW - Stolen SD card, proposal.
Post by: 92xj on September 25, 2014, 01:38:29 PM
No personal property can be left unattended for more than 48 hours in the wilderness. I did not know this until a ranger taught me on mile three into the wilderness with a cam and food block. Made me walk them back out. Could be an Leo putting a case together for illegal wilderness activity.
Title: Re: ALW - Stolen SD card, proposal.
Post by: trophyhunt on September 25, 2014, 01:41:40 PM
Don't leave your crab pots out, campmeat might snag em.... Make sure you lock your whole camp up, coolers, generator, etc. hell lets go shoot some free range angus while were at it, they are on public land!!! The farmers have to expect some to get shot right? I'm gonna laugh when you leave your beloved side by side alone while hunting and it gets stolen or vandalized, that is if you ever leave it?.....
:chuckle: funny but spot on.
Title: Re: ALW - Stolen SD card, proposal.
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on September 25, 2014, 01:49:16 PM
I wouldn't ever leave that fandangled thing behind.  I bet it has heated seats...   :hello:  I wouldn't steal the side by side, but I might tear the ignition out and hotwire it, to warm up on the heated seats though. 
Title: Re: ALW - Stolen SD card, proposal.
Post by: irishevox on September 25, 2014, 01:49:33 PM
Some of you guys kill me. Your attitude is, leave my stuff alone, it's mine, unattended for weeks on end, and you expect people not to steal it, grow up.........

 :yeah: 
Agreed
Title: Re: ALW - Stolen SD card, proposal.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on September 25, 2014, 02:12:49 PM
I just love it how you guys complain about a $100 camera to stealing and vandalizing a $15000 SxS or a $55000 truck. You guys really show your colors. There's a huge, huge difference.
Title: Re: ALW - Stolen SD card, proposal.
Post by: jackelope on September 25, 2014, 02:22:11 PM
:rolleyes:

Don't believe me? huh? there are laws for almost anything...sure, call me a :tree1:, but I like peace, quiet, and a natural wilderness. Not a wilderness with technology hidden in it.

You have posted trail camera pictures on this forum. The same forum you just posted that you don't like technology in the woods.
 :dunno:
I guess maybe your cameras are not in the wilderness areas, just the woods. Is that the (miniscule)difference?
Title: Re: ALW - Stolen SD card, proposal.
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on September 25, 2014, 02:22:21 PM
I just love it how you guys complain about a $100 camera to stealing and vandalizing a $15000 SxS or a $55000 truck. You guys really show your colors. There's a huge, huge difference.

Yeah about a 14950 dollar difference.  But that makes it ok...?  If I only left a few hundred dollars in damage by hotwiring that side by side for a little heat then its the exact same thing.
Title: Re: ALW - Stolen SD card, proposal.
Post by: 300rum on September 25, 2014, 02:23:24 PM
Any of you been to paradise, at the base of Rainier?  I expect to see a lot of cameras there, I even expect a few people to get a few picks of me and my family in the background, unintended.  I have no expectation of privacy or being alone.   

I do go to certain places in the mountains and expect privacy and don't expect to have my picture taken at all.  Whether you are behind the camera or not, I liken it to someone following me around with a camera.  Unattended camera's in public spaces are way out of control, if you spend much time at all in the woods both on and off the trails, you will find them easily.   
Title: Re: ALW - Stolen SD card, proposal.
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on September 25, 2014, 02:41:40 PM
Any of you been to paradise, at the base of Rainier?  I expect to see a lot of cameras there, I even expect a few people to get a few picks of me and my family in the background, unintended.  I have no expectation of privacy or being alone.   

I do go to certain places in the mountains and expect privacy and don't expect to have my picture taken at all.  Whether you are behind the camera or not, I liken it to someone following me around with a camera.  Unattended camera's in public spaces are way out of control, if you spend much time at all in the woods both on and off the trails, you will find them easily.   





Yeah these trail cams are really out of control.   :bdid:  give me a break!  its public land no expectation of privacy.  Its public.  Like the poparatzy takes photos of all those people in PUBLIC, legally.  then sells them.  Your photos are taken at most stop signs and in almost every business.  Get over it. 
Title: Re: ALW - Stolen SD card, proposal.
Post by: boneaddict on September 25, 2014, 03:00:57 PM
I don't need to get over anything.
Title: Re: ALW - Stolen SD card, proposal.
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on September 25, 2014, 03:16:50 PM

I don't need to get over anything.

My comment was not directed at your post.  I had yet to read your opinion on the matter.



Not wanting your pic taken is fine by me.  But trail cams being out of control...  Come on.  Because you may have had your pic taken on public land?   

Are you in support of Trail Cams being banned Bone?  If so, may I ask why?

Are you against of all the video and pics that are taken within the city by business owners, the city,the county, the police, the parks and rec, satellites, media ect, ect ,ect.  Those are the pics and video I consider out of control and if anyone wants more privacy they should direct there efforts towards those sources.  Not towards the guy who just wants a pic of an animal.

Title: Re: ALW - Stolen SD card, proposal.
Post by: coyotestalker22250 on September 25, 2014, 03:30:01 PM
A lot of interesting posts here. The bottom line is stealing is wrong in any way, shape, or form. Yeah it sucks but it's the chance you take whenever you put out a trail cam. The thing some of us have to understand is this is a place people like to vent to people with the same interest and not to take things personal :twocents:.
Title: Re: ALW - Stolen SD card, proposal.
Post by: 300rum on September 25, 2014, 03:35:18 PM
He's probably a bit smarter then me, not wanting to feed the trolls.    :chuckle:


I don't need to get over anything.

My comment was not directed at your post.  I had yet to read your opinion on the matter.



Not wanting your pic taken is fine by me.  But trail cams being out of control...  Come on.  Because you may have had your pic taken on public land?   

Are you in support of Trail Cams being banned Bone?  If so, may I ask why?

Are you against of all the video and pics that are taken within the city by business owners, the city,the county, the police, the parks and rec, satellites, media ect, ect ,ect.  Those are the pics and video I consider out of control and if anyone wants more privacy they should direct there efforts towards those sources.  Not towards the guy who just wants a pic of an animal.
Title: Re: ALW - Stolen SD card, proposal.
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on September 25, 2014, 03:36:21 PM
A lot of interesting posts here. The bottom line is stealing is wrong in any way, shape, or form. Yeah it sucks but it's the chance you take whenever you put out a trail cam. The thing some of us have to understand is this is a place people like to vent to people with the same interest and not to take things personal :twocents:.

well said.
Title: Re: ALW - Stolen SD card, proposal.
Post by: haugenna on September 25, 2014, 03:56:47 PM
I just love it how you guys complain about a $100 camera to stealing and vandalizing a $15000 SxS or a $55000 truck. You guys really show your colors. There's a huge, huge difference.

There are a lot of true colors being shown on here. If it is not yours, leave it alone. Don't open it, vandalize it, or steal it.  Someday someone will get caught in the act and something bad could happen.  Stealing or tampering with someone's property is wrong on every level.  Everyone know the property is not abandoned whether a tent, camera, or side by side. Treat others and their property how you would want you and yours treated.

when you leave property out there, you run the risk of something happening to it but I don't get some of the attitudes on here.

To the OP.  If you enjoy solitude, I wouldn't suggest a photo of a legal buck with background photos on theInternet.
Title: Re: ALW - Stolen SD card, proposal.
Post by: haugenna on September 25, 2014, 04:02:57 PM
Some of you guys kill me. Your attitude is, leave my stuff alone, it's mine, unattended for weeks on end, and you expect people not to steal it, grow up.........

I have also found that the further you get away from roads or quad trails the more respect people have for the wilderness and property.  This comment/avatar confirms that.
Title: Re: ALW - Stolen SD card, proposal.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on September 25, 2014, 04:04:32 PM
I hate thieves. I just stated a fact then I get my butt chewed out for telling the truth.
Title: Re: ALW - Stolen SD card, proposal.
Post by: vandeman17 on September 25, 2014, 04:06:12 PM
I just love it how you guys complain about a $100 camera to stealing and vandalizing a $15000 SxS or a $55000 truck. You guys really show your colors. There's a huge, huge difference.

There are a lot of true colors being shown on here. If it is not yours, leave it alone. Don't open it, vandalize it, or steal it.  Someday someone will get caught in the act and something bad could happen.  Stealing or tampering with someone's property is wrong on every level.  Everyone know the property is not abandoned whether a tent, camera, or side by side. Treat others and their property how you would want you and yours treated.

when you leave property out there, you run the risk of something happening to it but I don't get some of the attitudes on here.

To the OP.  If you enjoy solitude, I wouldn't suggest a photo of a legal buck with background photos on theInternet.

My feelings as well. I know that I risk losing my cameras every time I put them out but in no way shape or form does it make it ok for someone to steal them or make me "at fault" for leaving something out on public land. I have agreed with the majority of your posts Campmeat but this one I 100% disagree with. How ANYONE can even remotely justify theft is beyond comprehension.
Title: Re: ALW - Stolen SD card, proposal.
Post by: boneaddict on September 25, 2014, 04:06:22 PM
I share your opinion 300, that's why I said I don't need to get over anything.   When I am pounding the concrete I expect to be on vid surveillance for security purpose.    When I am in the Wilderness I don't expect to be photo'd necessarily.   I head for the woods for solitude, alone time, whatever you want to call it.  I head for the wilderness when I really want that.   I cant even use a chainsaw or pedal a bike in the wilderness.   Do you think there might be a reason for those rules? 

That being said, no I am not for banning trailcams.  They are a hobby that folks enjoy.   There might be a time when this attitude of its mine and leave alone will get to be too much when you find them scattered all over the place.   I try to recognize them and leave them alone, but that public land is also there for me to enjoy, not to tiptoe around folks setups.  I had an occasion where I drew a special elk permit and USO oufitters put a trailcam on every waterhole in a unit.  I saw the truck as I was standing by a waterhole when he pulled up.  There were over a 100 trailcams filling the back of his truck.   I thought that was over the top but as far as I know perfectly legal.  Does that mean he owned the rights to every water hole?

  I do not support thievery, or vandalism, but I don't think  you should be surprised if this happens to your setup.  Especially if you do leave it for weeks on end.  I do not compare this to your vehicle, wheeler, or camp. 

I appreciate the photos that I have seen from these cameras.  SOme are outstanding, some are of outstanding critters.  I have even thought about asking for one for my birthday so I can put it on a couple crossings I know have giant bucks around them every fall.   

Title: Re: ALW - Stolen SD card, proposal.
Post by: boneaddict on September 25, 2014, 04:08:58 PM
by the way, I love the photo from the OP and wish he did have more and am sorry he lost his card.  I did think that might be a plausible reason why it was just the card and not the camera, unless of course he packed in a log chain.
Title: Re: ALW - Stolen SD card, proposal.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on September 25, 2014, 04:12:33 PM
I just love it how you guys complain about a $100 camera to stealing and vandalizing a $15000 SxS or a $55000 truck. You guys really show your colors. There's a huge, huge difference.

There are a lot of true colors being shown on here. If it is not yours, leave it alone. Don't open it, vandalize it, or steal it.  Someday someone will get caught in the act and something bad could happen.  Stealing or tampering with someone's property is wrong on every level.  Everyone know the property is not abandoned whether a tent, camera, or side by side. Treat others and their property how you would want you and yours treated.

when you leave property out there, you run the risk of something happening to it but I don't get some of the attitudes on here.

To the OP.  If you enjoy solitude, I wouldn't suggest a photo of a legal buck with background photos on theInternet.

My feelings as well. I know that I risk losing my cameras every time I put them out but in no way shape or form does it make it ok for someone to steal them or make me "at fault" for leaving something out on public land. I have agreed with the majority of your posts Campmeat but this one I 100% disagree with. How ANYONE can even remotely justify theft is beyond comprehension.


Show me where I JUSTIFIED theft. I said, it's going to happen, so expect it. Then jerks say they'll vandalize my SxS or truck to make an assnine point.
Title: Re: ALW - Stolen SD card, proposal.
Post by: vandeman17 on September 25, 2014, 04:16:11 PM
Saying its our fault for putting it out on public land and it is to be expected is you justifying it. I don't care if someone steals something worth $5 versus $50,000. Theft is wrong and nobody ever deserves it period.
Title: Re: ALW - Stolen SD card, proposal.
Post by: boneaddict on September 25, 2014, 04:18:20 PM
I'm probably saying the same thing.

I do not support thievery, or vandalism, but I don't think  you should be surprised if this happens to your setup.  Especially if you do leave it for weeks on end.  I do not compare this to your vehicle, wheeler, or camp. 
Title: Re: ALW - Stolen SD card, proposal.
Post by: vandeman17 on September 25, 2014, 04:19:47 PM
I know exactly what you are getting at Bone but why don't you compare it to something like a camp? A thief is a thief and my personal property is my personal property no matter what the value.  :twocents:
Title: Re: ALW - Stolen SD card, proposal.
Post by: boneaddict on September 25, 2014, 04:29:42 PM
In my mind its a type of boundary or use I think. I treat someones camp as personal space and wouldn't violate that.   If a camp was abandoned for 4 weeks (illegal), then maybe I would walk through.      Difference between borrowing the land versus squatting on it maybe?    Not justifying any thievery, just stating I think you could expect it, especially if its defined as illegal.   You park your vehicle alongside the road (Yakima River) for 4 weeks, you can expect to have your vehicle stolen.   Do it for 3 hours, I would think that was horrible.   Does that make sense? 
Title: Re: ALW - Stolen SD card, proposal.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on September 25, 2014, 04:34:01 PM
Saying its our fault for putting it out on public land and it is to be expected is you justifying it. I don't care if someone steals something worth $5 versus $50,000. Theft is wrong and nobody ever deserves it period.


I didn't say it was your fault. I said to expect it, there's a difference. So, I disagree 100% with you. And, public land would be a start not to expect it won't get stolen. If I left my truck in the woods for a month, I'd expect it would get stolen, vandalized, whatever people do. So, I couldn't really bitch about my problem of leaving it there, I'd expect it when I went to get it.  :tup:
Title: Re: ALW - Stolen SD card, proposal.
Post by: vandeman17 on September 25, 2014, 04:36:32 PM
In my mind its a type of boundary or use I think. I treat someones camp as personal space and wouldn't violate that.   If a camp was abandoned for 4 weeks (illegal), then maybe I would walk through.      Difference between borrowing the land versus squatting on it maybe?    Not justifying any thievery, just stating I think you could expect it, especially if its defined as illegal.   You park your vehicle alongside the road (Yakima River) for 4 weeks, you can expect to have your vehicle stolen.   Do it for 3 hours, I would think that was horrible.   Does that make sense?

I understand the logic for sure and can see how in a wilderness area being that it is already illegal but just feels like it is taking away from the severity of the actual "crime" when we say anything how it could be expected. If I walk down the street alone at night and get jumped is it ok because it could have been expected? Again, its an extreme example but I don't view this type of debate in terms of severity. Any theft is complete garbage in my book and I would want to pummel a person stealing my camera just as much as someone stealing my vehicle.  :boxin:
Title: Re: ALW - Stolen SD card, proposal.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on September 25, 2014, 04:43:59 PM
In my mind its a type of boundary or use I think. I treat someones camp as personal space and wouldn't violate that.   If a camp was abandoned for 4 weeks (illegal), then maybe I would walk through.      Difference between borrowing the land versus squatting on it maybe?    Not justifying any thievery, just stating I think you could expect it, especially if its defined as illegal.   You park your vehicle alongside the road (Yakima River) for 4 weeks, you can expect to have your vehicle stolen.   Do it for 3 hours, I would think that was horrible.   Does that make sense?

I understand the logic for sure and can see how in a wilderness area being that it is already illegal but just feels like it is taking away from the severity of the actual "crime" when we say anything how it could be expected. If I walk down the street alone at night and get jumped is it ok because it could have been expected? Again, its an extreme example but I don't view this type of debate in terms of severity. Any theft is complete garbage in my book and I would want to pummel a person stealing my camera just as much as someone stealing my vehicle.  :boxin:


Me too................ :tup:
Title: Re: ALW - Stolen SD card, proposal.
Post by: jackelope on September 25, 2014, 04:44:29 PM
In my mind its a type of boundary or use I think. I treat someones camp as personal space and wouldn't violate that.   If a camp was abandoned for 4 weeks (illegal), then maybe I would walk through.      Difference between borrowing the land versus squatting on it maybe?    Not justifying any thievery, just stating I think you could expect it, especially if its defined as illegal.   You park your vehicle alongside the road (Yakima River) for 4 weeks, you can expect to have your vehicle stolen.   Do it for 3 hours, I would think that was horrible.   Does that make sense?

My truck was parked along the Yakima River for 8 hours and it got stolen.
You need to pick a better location to use in your example, Doug.
 :chuckle:
 :sry:
Title: Re: ALW - Stolen SD card, proposal.
Post by: luckyman on September 25, 2014, 04:49:36 PM
I've had at less 6  cameras stolen. The only one that really bothered me was one taking from my house.
The ones I had out in use I just shook my head and replaced it in a better spot.
Title: Re: ALW - Stolen SD card, proposal.
Post by: Lincoln4 on September 25, 2014, 05:20:06 PM
Does anyone on here think that LEO's might be taking some of these cameras and SD cards?
Not this LEO.  I've had mine stolen as well...
Title: Re: ALW - Stolen SD card, proposal.
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on September 25, 2014, 06:23:22 PM
I share your opinion 300, that's why I said I don't need to get over anything.   When I am pounding the concrete I expect to be on vid surveillance for security purpose.    When I am in the Wilderness I don't expect to be photo'd necessarily.   I head for the woods for solitude, alone time, whatever you want to call it.  I head for the wilderness when I really want that.   I cant even use a chainsaw or pedal a bike in the wilderness.   Do you think there might be a reason for those rules? 

That being said, no I am not for banning trailcams.  They are a hobby that folks enjoy.   There might be a time when this attitude of its mine and leave alone will get to be too much when you find them scattered all over the place.   I try to recognize them and leave them alone, but that public land is also there for me to enjoy, not to tiptoe around folks setups.  I had an occasion where I drew a special elk permit and USO oufitters put a trailcam on every waterhole in a unit.  I saw the truck as I was standing by a waterhole when he pulled up.  There were over a 100 trailcams filling the back of his truck.   I thought that was over the top but as far as I know perfectly legal.  Does that mean he owned the rights to every water hole?

  I do not support thievery, or vandalism, but I don't think  you should be surprised if this happens to your setup.  Especially if you do leave it for weeks on end.  I do not compare this to your vehicle, wheeler, or camp. 

I appreciate the photos that I have seen from these cameras.  SOme are outstanding, some are of outstanding critters.  I have even thought about asking for one for my birthday so I can put it on a couple crossings I know have giant bucks around them every fall.   

I completely agree with your opinion on this bone and this post.


I just love it how you guys complain about a $100 camera to stealing and vandalizing a $15000 SxS or a $55000 truck. You guys really show your colors. There's a huge, huge difference.

There are a lot of true colors being shown on here. If it is not yours, leave it alone. Don't open it, vandalize it, or steal it.  Someday someone will get caught in the act and something bad could happen.  Stealing or tampering with someone's property is wrong on every level.  Everyone know the property is not abandoned whether a tent, camera, or side by side. Treat others and their property how you would want you and yours treated.

when you leave property out there, you run the risk of something happening to it but I don't get some of the attitudes on here.

To the OP.  If you enjoy solitude, I wouldn't suggest a photo of a legal buck with background photos on theInternet.

My feelings as well. I know that I risk losing my cameras every time I put them out but in no way shape or form does it make it ok for someone to steal them or make me "at fault" for leaving something out on public land. I have agreed with the majority of your posts Campmeat but this one I 100% disagree with. How ANYONE can even remotely justify theft is beyond comprehension.


Show me where I JUSTIFIED theft. I said, it's going to happen, so expect it. Then jerks say they'll vandalize my SxS or truck to make an assnine point.

I wasn't saying I would actually vandalize your rig.  Just an example.  I wasn't trying to flame you for your opinion either.  Just state mine.

Title: Re: ALW - Stolen SD card, proposal.
Post by: boneaddict on September 25, 2014, 06:46:52 PM
I did that on purpose, I knew you were watching :chuckle:        That was horrible.  Now if you left it parked there for 3 weeks I'd expect you to find nothing but the frame maybe. :chuckle:

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You need to pick a better location to use in your example, Doug.
Title: Re: ALW - Stolen SD card, proposal.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on September 25, 2014, 06:53:04 PM
I share your opinion 300, that's why I said I don't need to get over anything.   When I am pounding the concrete I expect to be on vid surveillance for security purpose.    When I am in the Wilderness I don't expect to be photo'd necessarily.   I head for the woods for solitude, alone time, whatever you want to call it.  I head for the wilderness when I really want that.   I cant even use a chainsaw or pedal a bike in the wilderness.   Do you think there might be a reason for those rules? 

That being said, no I am not for banning trailcams.  They are a hobby that folks enjoy.   There might be a time when this attitude of its mine and leave alone will get to be too much when you find them scattered all over the place.   I try to recognize them and leave them alone, but that public land is also there for me to enjoy, not to tiptoe around folks setups.  I had an occasion where I drew a special elk permit and USO oufitters put a trailcam on every waterhole in a unit.  I saw the truck as I was standing by a waterhole when he pulled up.  There were over a 100 trailcams filling the back of his truck.   I thought that was over the top but as far as I know perfectly legal.  Does that mean he owned the rights to every water hole?

  I do not support thievery, or vandalism, but I don't think  you should be surprised if this happens to your setup.  Especially if you do leave it for weeks on end.  I do not compare this to your vehicle, wheeler, or camp. 

I appreciate the photos that I have seen from these cameras.  SOme are outstanding, some are of outstanding critters.  I have even thought about asking for one for my birthday so I can put it on a couple crossings I know have giant bucks around them every fall.   

I completely agree with your opinion on this bone and this post.


I just love it how you guys complain about a $100 camera to stealing and vandalizing a $15000 SxS or a $55000 truck. You guys really show your colors. There's a huge, huge difference.

There are a lot of true colors being shown on here. If it is not yours, leave it alone. Don't open it, vandalize it, or steal it.  Someday someone will get caught in the act and something bad could happen.  Stealing or tampering with someone's property is wrong on every level.  Everyone know the property is not abandoned whether a tent, camera, or side by side. Treat others and their property how you would want you and yours treated.

when you leave property out there, you run the risk of something happening to it but I don't get some of the attitudes on here.

To the OP.  If you enjoy solitude, I wouldn't suggest a photo of a legal buck with background photos on theInternet.

My feelings as well. I know that I risk losing my cameras every time I put them out but in no way shape or form does it make it ok for someone to steal them or make me "at fault" for leaving something out on public land. I have agreed with the majority of your posts Campmeat but this one I 100% disagree with. How ANYONE can even remotely justify theft is beyond comprehension.


Show me where I JUSTIFIED theft. I said, it's going to happen, so expect it. Then jerks say they'll vandalize my SxS or truck to make an assnine point.

I wasn't saying I would actually vandalize your rig.  Just an example.  I wasn't trying to flame you for your opinion either.  Just state mine.


I don't anything against anyone when we're discussing subjects. We all have our opinions and don't hold it against one. All's good.
Title: Re: ALW - Stolen SD card, proposal.
Post by: hunterrcc on September 26, 2014, 12:08:46 AM
I just love it how you guys complain about a $100 camera to stealing and vandalizing a $15000 SxS or a $55000 truck. You guys really show your colors. There's a huge, huge difference.

So its ok to steal something off your truck that is a couple hundred dollars just not the whole truck.. Got it I will remember that next time I am in the woods and see how people think about that. 

If it is not yours then leave it alone. 
Title: Re: ALW - Stolen SD card, proposal.
Post by: csaaphill on September 26, 2014, 12:53:39 AM
I hate thieves. I just stated a fact then I get my butt chewed out for telling the truth.

 :chuckle:
Title: Re: ALW - Stolen SD card, proposal.
Post by: jnutzalot on September 29, 2014, 02:17:15 PM
That's some BS. It happens too often, although usually there is a whole camera and tree stand to go with it. I have walked past many a unlocked trail cam and I do what any respectful hunter would do...moon it and trek on.
Title: Re: ALW - Stolen SD card, proposal.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on September 29, 2014, 05:23:20 PM
I just love it how you guys complain about a $100 camera to stealing and vandalizing a $15000 SxS or a $55000 truck. You guys really show your colors. There's a huge, huge difference.

So its ok to steal something off your truck that is a couple hundred dollars just not the whole truck.. Got it I will remember that next time I am in the woods and see how people think about that. 

If it is not yours then leave it alone.


Your statement doesn't make one lick of sense there buddy boy............ if a truck is left in the woods for a month, I'd expect some thief to steal it or something off of it......if not the entire truck. :bash:
Title: Re: ALW - Stolen SD card, proposal.
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on September 29, 2014, 05:43:14 PM
But like we have established, expecting it to be gone doesn't make it right.  I don't see items in the woods and  try to establish if they have  been left there.  I know it's not mine and I leave it be.   If my truck broke down I'd be pissed if some low life took advantage and stole or messed it up cause I couldn't get back there in time to not fall under abandoned free to take timeline you keep referring to.  I'm considering hanging my trail cam just to park in the woods.  Hopefully the thieves are ok with their pics taken.
Title: Re: ALW - Stolen SD card, proposal.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on September 29, 2014, 05:51:38 PM
But like we have established, expecting it to be gone doesn't make it right.  I don't see items in the woods and  try to establish if they have  been left there.  I know it's not mine and I leave it be.   If my truck broke down I'd be pissed if some low life took advantage and stole or messed it up cause I couldn't get back there in time to not fall under abandoned free to take timeline you keep referring to.  I'm considering hanging my trail cam just to park in the woods.  Hopefully the thieves are ok with their pics taken.


Thieves will always steal no matter what, even with trail cameras and high tech gubmint cameras watching us.......
Title: Re: ALW - Stolen SD card, proposal.
Post by: ballpark on September 30, 2014, 07:42:25 AM
I just love it how you guys complain about a $100 camera to stealing and vandalizing a $15000 SxS or a $55000 truck. You guys really show your colors. There's a huge, huge difference.
Yeah huge difference, stealing isn't stealing until you reach $5500 :o  Not your brightest statement on here :hello:
Title: Re: ALW - Stolen SD card, proposal.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on September 30, 2014, 08:06:39 AM
I just love it how you guys complain about a $100 camera to stealing and vandalizing a $15000 SxS or a $55000 truck. You guys really show your colors. There's a huge, huge difference.
Yeah huge difference, stealing isn't stealing until you reach $5500 :o  Not your brightest statement on here :hello:



Learn how to read...........
Title: Re: ALW - Stolen SD card, proposal.
Post by: ballpark on September 30, 2014, 12:01:36 PM
Stealing is a sin, that is the "true color" I'm talking about.  What true colors are you talking about?
Title: Re: ALW - Stolen SD card, proposal.
Post by: Seahawk12 on September 30, 2014, 12:08:05 PM
That's some BS. It happens too often, although usually there is a whole camera and tree stand to go with it. I have walked past many a unlocked trail cam and I do what any respectful hunter would do...moon it and trek on.
lol  :chuckle:

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