Post by: Kc_Kracker on September 25, 2014, 07:45:22 PM
second-- That side of the hiway is restricted, no high powered rifles allowed. read the regs.
aaaaaand third, running up and down the powerlines on a mountain bike at 20 MPH isn't exactly beneficial when hunting. read anything..
I hope the gamie found you before you left :rolleyes:
Post by: HHPro on September 25, 2014, 08:11:06 PM
Post by: Bob33 on September 25, 2014, 08:11:36 PM
Post by: Kc_Kracker on September 25, 2014, 08:22:01 PM
Post by: Fl0und3rz on September 25, 2014, 08:23:56 PM
doesnt matter if he was exercising or what he was hunting (but he said he was lookin for deer), either way, its a rifle restricted area
Was he shooting or just riding around?
Post by: Kc_Kracker on September 25, 2014, 08:38:52 PM
Post by: _TONY_ on September 25, 2014, 08:39:56 PM
first-- its not modern season. read the regs
second-- That side of the hiway is restricted, no high powered rifles allowed. read the regs.
aaaaaand third, running up and down the powerlines on a mountain bike at 20 MPH isn't exactly beneficial when hunting. read anything..
I hope the gamie found you before you left :rolleyes:
So he was on the northwest side of the highway?
Post by: Kc_Kracker on September 25, 2014, 08:41:59 PM
Post by: jdb on September 25, 2014, 08:43:17 PM
Post by: Bmcox86 on September 25, 2014, 08:44:09 PM
Post by: Fl0und3rz on September 25, 2014, 08:46:27 PM
he was hunting deer, as he stated, and as i stated.
I guess I don't get the point of the thread. You already educated him on the regs, no?
Post by: Kc_Kracker on September 25, 2014, 08:47:18 PM
Looking for deer and hunting deer are 2 different thingsuhhhhhhhhh ya, lets just pretend the rifle wasnt illegal there and argue over minor details. :rolleyes:
Post by: Kc_Kracker on September 25, 2014, 08:48:26 PM
nope he took off before the convo got that farhe was hunting deer, as he stated, and as i stated.
I guess I don't get the point of the thread. You already educated him on the regs, no?
Post by: Fl0und3rz on September 25, 2014, 08:50:06 PM
Post by: Antlershed on September 25, 2014, 08:52:08 PM
Is it illegal to carry a rifle in a rifle restricted area?
Post by: bankwalker on September 25, 2014, 08:56:42 PM
Post by: Fl0und3rz on September 25, 2014, 08:57:46 PM
Was he shooting the rifle?
Is it illegal to carry a rifle in a rifle restricted area?
No. That's why I asked. But, as answered, the guy said he was hunting, not just carrying.
Post by: Kc_Kracker on September 25, 2014, 08:58:05 PM
I'll hunt with my regs book, you hunt with your attorney, i guess.
Post by: Kc_Kracker on September 25, 2014, 08:58:59 PM
Doesn't matter if he was shooting the rifle or not. If dude says he is hunting deer in a firearm restricted area and is carrying a rifle...also In a area not open to modern firearm deer. Sounds to me like he's breaking quite a few laws and admitting to them.wow a real sportsmen :tup:
Post by: Fl0und3rz on September 25, 2014, 08:59:46 PM
Post by: Antlershed on September 25, 2014, 09:04:20 PM
doesnt matter if he was exercising or what he was hunting (but he said he was lookin for deer), either way, its a rifle restricted areaThis says the guy said he was looking for deer. As mentioned, out looking for deer and hunting deer are very different.
If he said he was hunting deer, then I agree with calling it in. If he said he was looking for deer, then I think ya jumped the gun a lil.
Post by: Fl0und3rz on September 25, 2014, 09:06:36 PM
doesnt matter if he was exercising or what he was hunting (but he said he was lookin for deer), either way, its a rifle restricted areaThis says the guy said he was looking for deer. As mentioned, out looking for deer and hunting deer are very different.
If he said he was hunting deer, then I agree with calling it in. If he said he was looking for deer, then I think ya jumped the gun a lil.
You might as well be a poacher making a statement like that.
:chuckle:
Post by: HHPro on September 25, 2014, 09:10:16 PM
Post by: Kc_Kracker on September 25, 2014, 09:11:26 PM
Post by: Kc_Kracker on September 25, 2014, 09:13:04 PM
What if he was new to hunting?With nobody to teach him right or wrong these regs can get confusing,I tend to cut people slack before assuming they are breaking the rules on purpose...so that makes it right? or ok? reading the regs book is his job, if hes too lazy he shouldn't be hunting. but the regs there are very clear. its archery season, how hard is that lol
Post by: Antlershed on September 25, 2014, 09:14:32 PM
So if I take a rifle into the woods while I scout for deer I'm a poacher? Glad to see all the internet wardens are out in force :rolleyes:doesnt matter if he was exercising or what he was hunting (but he said he was lookin for deer), either way, its a rifle restricted areaThis says the guy said he was looking for deer. As mentioned, out looking for deer and hunting deer are very different.
If he said he was hunting deer, then I agree with calling it in. If he said he was looking for deer, then I think ya jumped the gun a lil.
You might as well be a poacher making a statement like that.
:chuckle:
Post by: Antlershed on September 25, 2014, 09:15:44 PM
wow are you an attorney antlershed? thats the grossest loophole i ever did see. pathetic for a sportsmen to say. i didnt say hunter, i said sportsmen.No, but why is it wrong for someone to possess a firearm while scouting? I always have a firearm when I'm in the woods. Hope I never run into you. I'd hate to get called in for poaching. :rolleyes:
Post by: HHPro on September 25, 2014, 09:19:24 PM
Post by: Fl0und3rz on September 25, 2014, 09:19:55 PM
So if I take a rifle into the woods while I scout for deer I'm a poacher? Glad to see all the internet wardens are out in force :rolleyes:doesnt matter if he was exercising or what he was hunting (but he said he was lookin for deer), either way, its a rifle restricted areaThis says the guy said he was looking for deer. As mentioned, out looking for deer and hunting deer are very different.
If he said he was hunting deer, then I agree with calling it in. If he said he was looking for deer, then I think ya jumped the gun a lil.
You might as well be a poacher making a statement like that.
:chuckle:
In case you did not get it, I was being sarcastic.
Post by: Russ McDonald on September 25, 2014, 09:21:26 PM
It isn't but when you in a rifle restricted areas. A place you can't carry a hi powered rifle for any hunting. Pretty illegal to me.wow are you an attorney antlershed? thats the grossest loophole i ever did see. pathetic for a sportsmen to say. i didnt say hunter, i said sportsmen.No, but why is it wrong for someone to possess a firearm while scouting? I always have a firearm when I'm in the woods. Hope I never run into you. I'd hate to get called in for poaching. :rolleyes:
Post by: Bango skank on September 25, 2014, 09:21:44 PM
Post by: bobcat on September 25, 2014, 09:22:09 PM
Also, there are bolt action shotguns that might look a lot like a rifle. Maybe you didn't look close enough.
Either way, he wasn't hunting deer. Deer season is not open.
Post by: Antlershed on September 25, 2014, 09:24:13 PM
Sorry , didn't pick up on that :chuckle:So if I take a rifle into the woods while I scout for deer I'm a poacher? Glad to see all the internet wardens are out in force :rolleyes:doesnt matter if he was exercising or what he was hunting (but he said he was lookin for deer), either way, its a rifle restricted areaThis says the guy said he was looking for deer. As mentioned, out looking for deer and hunting deer are very different.
If he said he was hunting deer, then I agree with calling it in. If he said he was looking for deer, then I think ya jumped the gun a lil.
You might as well be a poacher making a statement like that.
:chuckle:
In case you did not get it, I was being sarcastic.
Post by: Antlershed on September 25, 2014, 09:24:58 PM
But is it illegal if he's not carrying it for hunting?It isn't but when you in a rifle restricted areas. A place you can't carry a hi powered rifle for any hunting. Pretty illegal to me.wow are you an attorney antlershed? thats the grossest loophole i ever did see. pathetic for a sportsmen to say. i didnt say hunter, i said sportsmen.No, but why is it wrong for someone to possess a firearm while scouting? I always have a firearm when I'm in the woods. Hope I never run into you. I'd hate to get called in for poaching. :rolleyes:
Post by: Russ McDonald on September 25, 2014, 09:59:39 PM
Post by: bigtex on September 25, 2014, 10:00:12 PM
No. The firearm restrictions only apply to hunting.But is it illegal if he's not carrying it for hunting?It isn't but when you in a rifle restricted areas. A place you can't carry a hi powered rifle for any hunting. Pretty illegal to me.wow are you an attorney antlershed? thats the grossest loophole i ever did see. pathetic for a sportsmen to say. i didnt say hunter, i said sportsmen.No, but why is it wrong for someone to possess a firearm while scouting? I always have a firearm when I'm in the woods. Hope I never run into you. I'd hate to get called in for poaching. :rolleyes:
Post by: bobcat on September 25, 2014, 10:03:55 PM
Post by: Stickerbush on September 25, 2014, 10:16:00 PM
Post by: Bullets_n_Octane on September 25, 2014, 10:35:47 PM
Post by: bigtex on September 25, 2014, 10:42:28 PM
Read the California regs and talk about confusing, that state has the goofiest regs books I've ever read.You mean like how they don't list the end dates?
Example:
Season opens the 3rd Saturday in September and continues for 35 days.....
Post by: Kc_Kracker on September 25, 2014, 10:47:46 PM
It isn't but when you in a rifle restricted areas. A place you can't carry a hi powered rifle for any hunting. Pretty illegal to me.ok now we have a whopping 2 people total that get it :tup:
Post by: Kc_Kracker on September 25, 2014, 10:50:33 PM
Post by: Bango skank on September 25, 2014, 10:52:04 PM
Washington's regs are probably the easiest to read in the country... because we are restricted so much. Read the California regs and talk about confusing, that state has the goofiest regs books I've ever read.
Alaska game pamphlet is so easy a 4 year old couldn't complain. Each unit has its own section. It is a model of efficiency. "Where would you like to hunt? Okay here are the rules."
Post by: bobcat on September 25, 2014, 10:53:21 PM
Post by: Kc_Kracker on September 25, 2014, 10:55:25 PM
if you read the regs or even tried to know them you couldn't possibly miss the repeated NO... not even for personal protection during archery unless its a handgun. no, no , no , no and again its still a no. thats why your repeated arguments have been laughed at bevause i keep stating no its not allowed. not even allowed to be with you while hunting, ESPECIALLY in a rifle restricted area. BTW restricted means NOT ALLOWED.
But is it illegal if he's not carrying it for hunting?
this dude was acting on a triple whammy no-no
Post by: bobcat on September 25, 2014, 10:56:13 PM
In your second post, you said he was looking for deer.
Looking for deer is not illegal. I'll be doing that tomorrow. And, I'll have a rifle with me. :yike: (For bear)
Post by: Kc_Kracker on September 25, 2014, 10:56:34 PM
Must have been a tribal member then. Or he was a poacher. The type of gun is irrelevant if he's hunting deer out of season.tribal or not he still couldnt have a rifle there, not allowed for anyone. and its not a tribal hunting area anyways last i knew
Post by: Kc_Kracker on September 25, 2014, 10:57:42 PM
Post by: bobcat on September 25, 2014, 10:59:30 PM
Post by: Fl0und3rz on September 25, 2014, 11:02:34 PM
Post by: Kc_Kracker on September 25, 2014, 11:04:07 PM
Post by: Hawgdawg on September 25, 2014, 11:13:53 PM
Post by: Kc_Kracker on September 25, 2014, 11:15:31 PM
Were you picking shrooms or looking for your meds? Only game in that area is Mountain bikers! and I am allergic to spandex. lolmeds? :dunno: where i was there is nobody especially in spandex
Post by: bigtex on September 25, 2014, 11:20:14 PM
The Hwy 18 corridor is definitely a tribal hunting area. And if they were tribal then they could use any firearm.Must have been a tribal member then. Or he was a poacher. The type of gun is irrelevant if he's hunting deer out of season.tribal or not he still couldnt have a rifle there, not allowed for anyone. and its not a tribal hunting area anyways last i knew
The firearm restrictions you are referring to only applies to hunters hunting under WA laws, not tribal. If they were tribal and had a loaded firearm in a vehicle it would be a different story.
Post by: bankwalker on September 25, 2014, 11:23:26 PM
Post by: Fl0und3rz on September 25, 2014, 11:26:12 PM
For argument sake. If he was only looking for deer, while out bear hunting (reason carrying the rifle) he was still in a firearm restricted area. ...........
For arguments sake, if we could ask a question without having our ethics impugned . . . .
Post by: Kc_Kracker on September 25, 2014, 11:28:05 PM
For argument sake. If he was only looking for deer, while out bear hunting (reason carrying the rifle) he was still in a firearm restricted area. ...........:yeah:
Post by: Kc_Kracker on September 25, 2014, 11:31:52 PM
Post by: csaaphill on September 25, 2014, 11:52:16 PM
I had a guy swear up and down one time I was violating some fishing law and I wipped out my fishing pamphlet and showed him exaclty what it said and no in fact I was not. So point is people may read something and take a total different view of what is and what isn't being said.
Not taking sides just saying.
Post by: hunterrcc on September 26, 2014, 12:27:30 AM
Post by: grundy53 on September 26, 2014, 04:37:02 AM
So if I take a rifle into the woods while I scout for deer I'm a poacher? Glad to see all the internet wardens are out in force :rolleyes:doesnt matter if he was exercising or what he was hunting (but he said he was lookin for deer), either way, its a rifle restricted areaThis says the guy said he was looking for deer. As mentioned, out looking for deer and hunting deer are very different.
If he said he was hunting deer, then I agree with calling it in. If he said he was looking for deer, then I think ya jumped the gun a lil.
You might as well be a poacher making a statement like that.
:chuckle:
:yeah: I generally have a rifle if I'm scouting.
Post by: boneaddict on September 26, 2014, 06:13:32 AM
Shark probably had the most accurate assessment.
Post by: billythekidrock on September 26, 2014, 06:21:39 AM
The Hwy 18 corridor is definitely a tribal hunting area. And if they were tribal then they could use any firearm.Must have been a tribal member then. Or he was a poacher. The type of gun is irrelevant if he's hunting deer out of season.tribal or not he still couldnt have a rifle there, not allowed for anyone. and its not a tribal hunting area anyways last i knew
The firearm restrictions you are referring to only applies to hunters hunting under WA laws, not tribal. If they were tribal and had a loaded firearm in a vehicle it would be a different story.
:yeah:
Post by: sthd system on September 26, 2014, 06:32:05 AM
Post by: jackelope on September 26, 2014, 06:42:01 AM
i bet if one of the "cool kids" on hunt wa posted this it would be 17 pages of "those dirty sob's" by now, I guess this is what I get for refusing to be a sheep. Imagine that, sheep on a sheep hunting site :chuckle:No sheep, KC. It's like this. Nobody broke any laws. That same guy could have walked down Main St and not have broken any laws.
Who are the cool kids?
Post by: PA BEN on September 26, 2014, 07:06:54 AM
Post by: Antlershed on September 26, 2014, 07:34:18 AM
for the 10th time, the man said he was HUNTING DEER, he had no bow, just a high caliber rifle, its not modern season and its a rifle restricted area, and if all that was allowed he had no orange. lord didnt i say all this in the "opening" post :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:Not really. You said he stated he was looking for deer and you interpreted it to mean hunting deer. As bigtex stated, the firearm restriction only applies if you are hunting. Also, last time I checked, you don't have to wear orange to carry a gun.
Post by: Antlershed on September 26, 2014, 07:36:08 AM
For argument sake. If he was only looking for deer, while out bear hunting (reason carrying the rifle) he was still in a firearm restricted area. ...........I never said he was looking for bear. Maybe he was simply scouting (LOOKING FOR) deer like the second post of this thread states that is what the man said. :dunno:
Post by: Curly on September 26, 2014, 07:42:35 AM
Post by: gr8whthunter on September 26, 2014, 07:45:12 AM
Post by: Rick on September 26, 2014, 07:48:26 AM
Post by: TheHunt on September 26, 2014, 08:00:27 AM
Now if you were nice and approached him he would have responded like wise. But if you came at him with respect my authority I bet he was just messing with you. If he was messing with you I think he won...
Post by: baker5150 on September 26, 2014, 08:19:47 AM
for the 10th time, the man said he was HUNTING DEER, he had no bow, just a high caliber rifle, its not modern season and its a rifle restricted area, and if all that was allowed he had no orange. lord didnt i say all this in the "opening" post :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:Not really. You said he stated he was looking for deer and you interpreted it to mean hunting deer. As bigtex stated, the firearm restriction only applies if you are hunting. Also, last time I checked, you don't have to wear orange to carry a gun.
One thing to keep in mind is that KC actually talked to the guy. So he was able to get an impression from the guys body language, demeanor, and tone when he talked. A lot can be determined by all that when speaking to someone that can't be relayed in an internet post.
Post by: Killmore on September 26, 2014, 08:39:27 AM
Post by: Seahawk12 on September 26, 2014, 08:48:21 AM
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One thing to keep in mind is that KC actually talked to the guy. So he was able to get an impression from the guys body language, demeanor, and tone when he talked. A lot can be determined by all that when speaking to someone that can't be relayed in an internet post.
:yeah:
Funny how many people are inventing scenarios out of the few sentences of the OP.
Argue for the sake of argument? :dunno:
Post by: fastdam on September 26, 2014, 08:55:30 AM
Post by: KFhunter on September 26, 2014, 08:56:46 AM
Post by: lokidog on September 26, 2014, 09:14:31 AM
However, many, many, many people (from personal experience with crabbers and fishermen) do NOT read the regulations, or maybe understand them.
Some people like to mess with other folks, especially if they know they can't really get into trouble for it ("officer, is there a dead deer that I shot? I'm getting in shape for my hunt later in the month. I'm also sighting my rifle in... I was just messing with this guy that started yelling at me and assumed I was doing something wrong.").
Fastdam, I'm sorry that you are not willing to get involved in preserving the good name of hunters or preserving our wildlife resources from thieves. I think we should all be willing to let people know if they are indeed doing something wrong. Even if it just appears that they are, a polite conversaion might not be out of order.
I "confront" (politely and with the intent to inform not scold) people all the time out here on the water when I KNOW they are doing something illegally (crabbing on closed day, keeping small crabs, salmon fishing in a closed area - all seen this summer). I have never called a warden, but if I saw someone shoot a deer, or bonk a salmon illegally, I would.
KC, good on you for being concerned, however, with that being said, calling a warden on this guy, in this scenario, was probably a waste of the warden's time.
Post by: baker5150 on September 26, 2014, 09:23:28 AM
Im amazed at how many people are willing to work for the wdfw for free. I know why gamies. Enfore the laws, statutes, and regulations, the get compensated very well, but they have trained some people to run and report to them for free. That i dont get. We learned to mind our own business when i grew up and i still admire a person who doesnt concern themselves with everyone elses activities but rather minds thier own business. Who cares what he was doing. Sounds like he was doing what he wanted and it had no impact on the OPs activity. Plain and simple. Even my 10 year old daughter understands. Minding your own business.
I was taught the same thing growing up. Other peoples business is just that. But I was also taught to stand up for something. Personally I think that's what is wrong with this country. Too many people stand by and just watch as others get away with murder. If KC takes it upon himself to do something for the good of the whole then good on him, at least he did something, Those who just look the other way are part of the problem, and deep down they know it.
Rant over......
Post by: bigtex on September 26, 2014, 09:26:15 AM
Just to expand on Bigtex's post, it is NOT illegal to carry a modern rifle in a firearm restricted area, it is NOT illegal to target shoot with a MR in a restricted area, it is NOT illegal to sight in a MR in a firearm restriced area, and it is not illegal for me to shoot racoons going after my chickens with a modern rifle in a firearm restricted area.:yeah:
The only thing I will add is that the area KC mentioned is a DNR area. DNR does not allow target shooting in this area, or basically any DNR land in King County. So had he just been there to target shoot he would be in violation.
Also, many of the WDFW firearm restricted areas overlap with county no shooting areas. So in some cases, yes it would be a violation to discharge the weapon, however you would be cited under a county offense, not a hunting offense.
Post by: 206 on September 26, 2014, 09:31:38 AM
YOU MAD BRO?
Post by: KFhunter on September 26, 2014, 09:32:12 AM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on September 26, 2014, 09:34:48 AM
i bet if one of the "cool kids" on hunt wa posted this it would be 17 pages of "those dirty sob's" by now, I guess this is what I get for refusing to be a sheep. Imagine that, sheep on a sheep hunting site :chuckle:
I'm with you. There is a certain amount of, cool guys , on here that can't ever be wrong. If and when I'm in the woods, or whatever, it's NUNYA....... :tup:
Post by: KFhunter on September 26, 2014, 09:38:47 AM
Post by: singleshot12 on September 26, 2014, 09:57:39 AM
Post by: haugenna on September 26, 2014, 10:09:27 AM
putting out all kinds of sarcasm from another thread.
Post by: NRA4LIFE on September 26, 2014, 10:11:29 AM
Post by: Antlershed on September 26, 2014, 10:23:53 AM
Follow him next time. If he sets anything down on the ground and leaves it unattended to go to the bathroom, it is yours to take, vandalize, and inspect/alter, take his ammo, you do whatever you want to it. Then post it on here and you will have all kinds of support :chuckle: :chuckle:I just hope he wasn't up there setting up a dummy camp to save his spot for modern deer season. Maybe we should send a search party and of we find a tent we can steal it :chuckle:
putting out all kinds of sarcasm from another thread.
And to recap, I am all for hunters keeping their eyes out for people breaking the laws/poaching. However, it has been stated numerous times that this guy didn't break any laws. By DFW definition, he wasn't hunting based on the words of the OP. I don't think he broke the speed limit on the mt bike. Next we'll probably see the OP bashing DFW for wasting resources and taxpayer dollars...
Last question I will raise, how do I get a cool kid badge that I keep hearing about? :IBCOOL:
Post by: Woodchuck on September 26, 2014, 10:35:05 AM
:yeah: I want one to, they must be SUPER COOL. :tup:Follow him next time. If he sets anything down on the ground and leaves it unattended to go to the bathroom, it is yours to take, vandalize, and inspect/alter, take his ammo, you do whatever you want to it. Then post it on here and you will have all kinds of support :chuckle: :chuckle:
putting out all kinds of sarcasm from another thread.
Last question I will raise, how do I get a cool kid badge that I keep hearing about? :IBCOOL:
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Post by: Stein on September 26, 2014, 10:49:56 AM
Washington's regs are probably the easiest to read in the country... because we are restricted so much. Read the California regs and talk about confusing, that state has the goofiest regs books I've ever read.
Check out Montana regs.
I agree, the guy broke no law. It's illegal to shoot a pistol in Seattle, but I carry one all the time.
Maybe he was intending to break a law but didn't get a chance. Maybe he didn't know better or maybe he knew exactly what he was doing. Maybe, maybe.
I run into guys like this, usually on the water. I simply ask, "Do you know such and such is closed?" Most of the time, it is some guy out there trying to do something legally and didn't read the regs. Every time I go salmon fishing, I read the regs three times and check the emergency orders before knowing for certain that I have a 20% chance of actually knowing what is legal or not.
You have the regs, then changes or corrections to the regs (hard to locate or search, particularly in the field unless you print them and take a copy - and hope they don't change after you print). Then, you have emergency orders which can and do change daily - fun when you are out of cell range. Then, you have the good old "standard practices" like not shooting from the road right of way even though it isn't called out as such anywhere in the regs, we can also group leaning a rifle against the front bumper as having a firearm in the vehicle. Finally, the regs aren't even law, you really need to look up the Washington code which is impossible to navigate and even tougher to read.
Post by: Woodchuck on September 26, 2014, 10:51:16 AM
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Post by: hrd2fnd on September 26, 2014, 10:51:52 AM
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I'm with you. There is a certain amount of, cool guys , on here that can't ever be wrong. If and when I'm in the woods, or whatever, it's NUNYA.......:yeah: :tup:
Post by: Bob33 on September 26, 2014, 11:10:37 AM
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Then, you have the good old "standard practices" like not shooting from the road right of way even though it isn't called out as such anywhere in the regs.That is prohibited in both the regs and the RCW.
Post by: HUNT-HARD on September 26, 2014, 11:19:38 AM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on September 26, 2014, 11:22:51 AM
The guy on the bicycle was all NUNYA too; until someone stopped him - interrogated him - and then reported him to WDFW.
..................sounds like unlawful search and seizure. His 4th Amendment rights were violated. He didn't have to answer to anybody. right KF ?
Post by: Stein on September 26, 2014, 11:25:06 AM
QuoteThen, you have the good old "standard practices" like not shooting from the road right of way even though it isn't called out as such anywhere in the regs.That is prohibited in both the regs and the RCW.
Police are prohibited by the same RCW from speeding unless they are responding or pursuing. I am prohibited from trapping moles in my back yard.
Lean a loaded rifle against any part of your truck within sight of the warden and see what happens.
Post by: Bob33 on September 26, 2014, 11:27:14 AM
Shooting negligently from a road right of way is prohibited. I'm not sure how moles got into the picture.QuoteThen, you have the good old "standard practices" like not shooting from the road right of way even though it isn't called out as such anywhere in the regs.That is prohibited in both the regs and the RCW.
Police are prohibited by the same RCW from speeding unless they are responding or pursuing. I am prohibited from trapping moles in my back yard.
Lean a loaded rifle against any part of your truck within sight of the warden and see what happens.
Post by: Stein on September 26, 2014, 12:32:43 PM
Shooting negligently from a road right of way is prohibited. I'm not sure how moles got into the picture.QuoteThen, you have the good old "standard practices" like not shooting from the road right of way even though it isn't called out as such anywhere in the regs.That is prohibited in both the regs and the RCW.
Police are prohibited by the same RCW from speeding unless they are responding or pursuing. I am prohibited from trapping moles in my back yard.
Lean a loaded rifle against any part of your truck within sight of the warden and see what happens.
My point was that just because the law says something doesn't mean that is reality, plus I really hate moles. Here is the RCW for loaded weapons in a vehicle.
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(1) A person is guilty of unlawful possession of a loaded rifle or shotgun in a motor vehicle, as defined in RCW 46.04.320, or upon an off-road vehicle, as defined in RCW 46.04.365, if:
(a) The person carries, transports, conveys, possesses, or controls a rifle or shotgun in a motor vehicle, or upon an off-road vehicle, except as allowed by department rule
Any informed hunter or warden will tell you that if you are hunting and lay the loaded rifle against any part of your truck you will get a ticket (or warning if you are incredibly lucky). On the tire, on the bumper, touching the fender, whatever. The law says "in", the law enforcers and court have defined "in" as "on" or "against". If you read the regs and comply to the letter, you still get a ticket due to the unpublished case law (historical prosecutions).
Post by: Curly on September 26, 2014, 01:06:08 PM
Shooting negligently from a road right of way is prohibited. I'm not sure how moles got into the picture.QuoteThen, you have the good old "standard practices" like not shooting from the road right of way even though it isn't called out as such anywhere in the regs.That is prohibited in both the regs and the RCW.
Police are prohibited by the same RCW from speeding unless they are responding or pursuing. I am prohibited from trapping moles in my back yard.
Lean a loaded rifle against any part of your truck within sight of the warden and see what happens.
My point was that just because the law says something doesn't mean that is reality, plus I really hate moles. Here is the RCW for loaded weapons in a vehicle.Quote(1) A person is guilty of unlawful possession of a loaded rifle or shotgun in a motor vehicle, as defined in RCW 46.04.320, or upon an off-road vehicle, as defined in RCW 46.04.365, if:
(a) The person carries, transports, conveys, possesses, or controls a rifle or shotgun in a motor vehicle, or upon an off-road vehicle, except as allowed by department rule
Any informed hunter or warden will tell you that if you are hunting and lay the loaded rifle against any part of your truck you will get a ticket (or warning if you are incredibly lucky). On the tire, on the bumper, touching the fender, whatever. The law says "in", the law enforcers and court have defined "in" as "on" or "against". If you read the regs and comply to the letter, you still get a ticket due to the unpublished case law (historical prosecutions).
That law was changed recently. It is now legal to shoot across your hood, lay a loaded weapon on your vehicle or lean it against your tire.......but the vehicle needs to be off the road or it can be on private property.
Post by: Woodchuck on September 26, 2014, 01:09:17 PM
Post by: Curly on September 26, 2014, 01:16:39 PM
I would love to see a quote of that RCW.
I read about it on Hunt-Wa so it must be true.
Actually, I wish I was good at looking up the RCW's. Maybe Bob33 can find it?
Post by: Fl0und3rz on September 26, 2014, 01:17:58 PM
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(4) This section [RCW 77.15.460 Loaded rifle or shotgun in vehicle] does not apply if the person:
(c) Discharges the rifle or shotgun from upon a nonmoving motor vehicle, as long as the engine is turned off and the motor vehicle is not parked on or beside the maintained portion of a public road, except as authorized by the commission by rule. This subsection (4)(c) does not apply to off-road vehicles, which are unlawful to use for hunting under RCW 46.09.480, unless the person has a department permit issued under RCW 77.32.237.
http://app.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=77.15.460 (http://app.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=77.15.460)
Post by: Curly on September 26, 2014, 01:19:23 PM
Post by: Woodchuck on September 26, 2014, 01:26:41 PM
Post by: Fl0und3rz on September 26, 2014, 01:33:20 PM
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(1) A person is guilty of unlawful possession of a loaded rifle or shotgun in a motor vehicle, as defined in RCW 46.04.320 . . . , if:
(a) The person carries, transports, conveys, possesses, or controls a rifle or shotgun in a motor vehicle . . . ; and
(b) The rifle or shotgun contains shells or cartridges in the magazine or chamber, or is a muzzle-loading firearm that is loaded and capped or primed.
Thanks, braintrusts in government.
Post by: ballpark on September 26, 2014, 01:44:58 PM
And no, in your first post you said nothing about whether he was hunting or not.
In your second post, you said he was looking for deer.
Looking for deer is not illegal. I'll be doing that tomorrow. And, I'll have a rifle with me. :yike: (For bear)
first-- its not modern season. read the regs
second-- That side of the hiway is restricted, no high powered rifles allowed. read the regs.
aaaaaand third, running up and down the powerlines on a mountain bike at 20 MPH isn't exactly beneficial when hunting. read anything..
I hope the gamie found you before you left
Bobcat,
If you are going to quote someone, make sure you are accurate, he did say it was a restricted firearm area. :tup:
Post by: bobcat on September 26, 2014, 01:48:35 PM
Regardless, there's no law that says that guy can't carry a gun- any kind of gun.
What part of what I said was "not accurate?"
Post by: xXLojackXx on September 26, 2014, 01:53:16 PM
Post by: ballpark on September 26, 2014, 01:55:09 PM
Post by: stevemiller on September 26, 2014, 01:56:16 PM
Post by: Fl0und3rz on September 26, 2014, 01:59:38 PM
Post by: runamuk on September 26, 2014, 02:00:49 PM
And no, in your first post you said nothing about whether he was hunting or not.
In your second post, you said he was looking for deer.
Looking for deer is not illegal. I'll be doing that tomorrow. And, I'll have a rifle with me. :yike: (For bear)
first-- its not modern season. read the regs
second-- That side of the hiway is restricted, no high powered rifles allowed. read the regs.
aaaaaand third, running up and down the powerlines on a mountain bike at 20 MPH isn't exactly beneficial when hunting. read anything..
I hope the gamie found you before you left
Bobcat,
If you are going to quote someone, make sure you are accurate, he did say it was a restricted firearm area. :tup:
you can hunt bear with rifle during archery season. However hunting in firearm restriction area would require he be using a shotgun or revolver instead of a rifle. During archery season bears may be hunted with any legal weapon until Nov 15 when the bear season ends.
page 64
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Hunting Method:
Hunters may use any lawful big game
modern firearm, archery, or muzzleloader
equipment for hunting black bear
The use
of hounds and/or bait to hunt black bear is
prohibited statewide
Post by: ballpark on September 26, 2014, 02:05:50 PM
Hey, do the Seahawks have a bye this week? What other games are on TV? I like the Mariners.
Yes and so do I. How come I get the feeling your sitting close by? :chuckle: Way to break up a topic :tup:
Post by: bobcat on September 26, 2014, 02:07:00 PM
Post by: Curly on September 26, 2014, 02:31:06 PM
Oh, wait.....wrong thread. My mistake.....carry on.
Post by: Bob33 on September 26, 2014, 02:34:52 PM
http://app.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=77.15.460 (http://app.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=77.15.460)I would love to see a quote of that RCW.
I read about it on Hunt-Wa so it must be true.
Actually, I wish I was good at looking up the RCW's. Maybe Bob33 can find it?
(4) This section does not apply if the person:
(c) Discharges the rifle or shotgun from upon a nonmoving motor vehicle, as long as the engine is turned off and the motor vehicle is not parked on or beside the maintained portion of a public road, except as authorized by the commission by rule. This subsection (4)(c) does not apply to off-road vehicles, which are unlawful to use for hunting under RCW 46.09.480, unless the person has a department permit issued under RCW 77.32.237.
Post by: hrd2fnd on September 26, 2014, 02:38:11 PM
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Lets put a twist on this,How would you respond to some guy asking you questions,When they obviously have 0 authority to do so?I would acknowledge the person or people with a howdy do, then just continue on my way
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Some people dont need or want people they dont know trying to tell them how they should do things.:yeah: