Post by: Tyler_C on October 03, 2014, 01:22:26 PM
With that being said, I want everyones suggestion on the top 9mm pistols on the market.
My budget will be $650 and under.
Thanks a lot.
Post by: dmv9 on October 03, 2014, 01:28:36 PM
Post by: gr8whthunter on October 03, 2014, 01:36:15 PM
Post by: Fl0und3rz on October 03, 2014, 01:42:29 PM
Post by: superdown on October 03, 2014, 01:43:59 PM
Post by: MADMAX on October 03, 2014, 01:55:50 PM
:twocents:
Post by: carpsniperg2 on October 03, 2014, 02:00:47 PM
Post by: superdown on October 03, 2014, 02:03:26 PM
Post by: Blacklab on October 03, 2014, 02:18:33 PM
Post by: Goldy79 on October 03, 2014, 02:21:59 PM
Post by: bowNarrow on October 03, 2014, 02:25:12 PM
Post by: Tyler_C on October 03, 2014, 02:31:05 PM
Post by: Bofire on October 03, 2014, 02:41:43 PM
Post by: lamrith on October 03, 2014, 02:54:42 PM
Post by: jmessmer on October 03, 2014, 03:05:53 PM
Not if I594 passes
Post by: Special T on October 03, 2014, 03:28:30 PM
Post by: lamrith on October 03, 2014, 05:28:51 PM
Can hand to just about anyone and they can handle shooting it.
Not if I594 passes
I was gonna mention that, but figured someone else would catch the between the lines and comment ;-)
VOTE NO ON i594!!
Post by: poopooheaddad on October 03, 2014, 05:52:22 PM
both quality tools to be had and used ones at a decent price. check out armslist I am sure there are a few on there....
Post by: wadu1 on October 03, 2014, 06:30:07 PM
Post by: M40hunter on October 03, 2014, 07:40:38 PM
Ruger SR9
S&W M&P9
Springfield XD9
Glock 17/19
Springfield XDM9
I am not a huge fan of the Sig 2340 or 2022. They are not the same quality as the other guns I listed in my opinion. Don't be too afraid to look at a used gun if you trust the place you are buying it from. You can sometimes buy a gun that would be a little out of your price range if you find it used. Most current designs will handle tens of thousands of rounds and most used guns will have less than 1000. Lots of options out there for you. All of the guns on that list are great quality, the big thing is how they feel in your hand.
Just my .02
Post by: Barbarossa13 on October 03, 2014, 07:57:45 PM
Post by: jay.sharkbait on October 03, 2014, 08:00:43 PM
High power(used)
G-19
Post by: NW-GSP on October 03, 2014, 08:01:24 PM
Post by: Biggerhammer on October 03, 2014, 08:19:57 PM
FNX-9
Post by: NW-GSP on October 03, 2014, 08:47:52 PM
Post by: jasnt on October 03, 2014, 08:57:15 PM
I know nothing about best or worst. Since I've been in the world of 9mm for only a week :chuckle: I just picked up a Ruger SR9c 9mm. This thing is a blast to shoot and will be my main carry holster will be here tomorrow :IBCOOL: $449 b4 tax worth a look :twocents: GL with your search..............
I have a sr9. Little bigger than the sr9c but its my favorite pistol to shoot.
Post by: mountainman on October 03, 2014, 10:54:30 PM
Post by: ribka on October 04, 2014, 11:05:06 AM
Post by: 300rum on October 04, 2014, 02:31:33 PM
Mags (you should have at least 10 or more) are dirt cheap, and last forever. I recently found them online for $22 new (Glock OEM). XD mags are harder to find and are twice as expensive, same with M&P mags only M&P mags are more expensive. I also found 33 round mags a couple months ago, again OEM mags, for under $30, buy at least ten of those too.
Glock triggers are o.k. out of the box, especially the 34, but they can be made much better using stock parts and a little knowledge. XD and M&P triggers are absolutely horrendous.
Just a couple of months ago I bought another 17 for $325 (gen 2). Glock certificates can be purchased for a new Glock for $400-$425 if you know someone who shoots GSSF. GSSF certs, depending on the cert, allow you to redeem the cert for a new Gen 3 or pay a $35 fee for a Gen 4. There are upgrade charges for 34/35 or the large frames. The last one I did (paid $400 for the cert) took 12 weeks or so to show up from Smyrna.
Post by: 300rum on October 04, 2014, 02:35:06 PM
Post by: mountainman on October 04, 2014, 05:29:26 PM
Post by: jay.sharkbait on October 04, 2014, 05:34:38 PM
Apex triggers make the M & P pretty unbeatable! Just ask Chris Costa...
Who's Chris Costa?
Post by: follow maggie on October 04, 2014, 07:32:35 PM
Post by: Jim the Plumber on October 04, 2014, 10:00:38 PM
I would go with a Glock 17/19/34. The 34 is my favorite for having fun/competition, the 17 is great for packing in the woods.
Mags (you should have at least 10 or more) are dirt cheap, and last forever. I recently found them online for $22 new (Glock OEM). XD mags are harder to find and are twice as expensive, same with M&P mags only M&P mags are more expensive. I also found 33 round mags a couple months ago, again OEM mags, for under $30, buy at least ten of those too.
Glock triggers are o.k. out of the box, especially the 34, but they can be made much better using stock parts and a little knowledge. XD and M&P triggers are absolutely horrendous.
Word for word what I would say.
I would add that having shot a few Glock 9mm under water and other sundry torture tests, they are without peer.
Post by: buck man on October 04, 2014, 10:30:03 PM
Post by: Cylvertip on October 05, 2014, 10:37:13 AM
I had talked with a former Thurston County Sheriff about Glocks following my original purchase. He was a certified Armorer who had gone to "Glock School". He was told the gun never needed cleaning by Glock. He said he had about 5K rounds through his weapon at the time of that course and hadn't cleaned it since. At the time we had the conversation, he said he had put over 65K rounds through it with no issues. I believed him, but who knows. I know I have put 6k to 7k through mine with minimal cleaning and no issues. In the the rounds I have shot, I have had one casing caught in the breach following a shot. I believe this was due to bad form rather than an issue with the pistol. I had not tensed up before the shot so my arm ended up taking a lot of the recoil, which didn't let the slide do it's job.
There is also the old "throw it in the dish washer" if you don't want to clean it by hand. I have heard this from more than one dealer and the gentleman mentioned above. Not sure I would go that far, but that's the kind of abuse they are known to handle.
For any pistol or any semi auto, I would stay away from the steel cased ammo. The potential is there for the steel cases to chew away at the feed ramps over many many rounds. :twocents:
Post by: PNW_Hunter on October 06, 2014, 06:05:58 AM
Post by: DoubleJ on October 06, 2014, 06:38:35 AM
Glock 19 gen 3. No other research needed ;)
Fixt
Post by: pilebuck on October 06, 2014, 07:14:32 AM
Post by: Buzz2401 on October 06, 2014, 07:25:48 AM
Post by: Tyler_C on October 06, 2014, 07:41:29 AM
Post by: mountainman on October 06, 2014, 08:45:50 AM
Post by: thinkingman on October 06, 2014, 09:31:29 PM
You can get an STI Spartan 9mm 1911 that will be the envy of all but the Glock guys.
They don't know any better. :chuckle:
Post by: addicted on October 08, 2014, 04:05:31 AM
Post by: lamrith on October 08, 2014, 05:32:29 AM
To the OP, the best thing to make a decision is go to a range with rentals, or shoot with some friends and try as many different models that you can and see what fits for you. Too many opinions can be confusing. Find what works and feels best to you!
Probably the best advice here. Specially if looking for a smaller carry gun. Guns of similar size when small can have very different recoil and feel while firing. Make sure you have one you are comfortable and confident with so you practice and are proficient. The lives of yourself AND everyone around could depend on it.
Post by: Gutpile on October 08, 2014, 06:17:47 AM
Glocks are never a bad choice just the most boring and ugly choice :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
:yeah:
I have several 9mm's but you need to figure this out yourself. I hated the G19 and the way it felt in my hand when compared to my others so I sold it. I love my M&P, Beretta, and CZ 75 though. Never had any problems with either. You need to go fondle a bunch of them and figure out if you want steel, poly, compact, sub, fullsize.
Post by: rtspring on October 08, 2014, 06:31:03 AM
9mm just dont have enough ummph, I switched to .40 back in 2011.
Shoot a bunch of diffrent ones and you will find one you like.
Post by: C-Money on October 08, 2014, 06:43:11 AM
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Post by: Heredoggydoggy on October 10, 2014, 07:48:07 PM
Post by: Mongo Hunter on December 18, 2014, 11:54:43 AM
If its strictly for HD I would recommend the Glock 34. its basicly a G17 with a longer barrel/slide, extended mag and slide release and a slightly lighter trigger. mount a light to it and call it a day, you wont regret it.
However if the Glocks not to your liking try out one of the others I listed. go to a show or store and see which one fits your hand best. If you are digging the Sig I would say go for it, Sigs are great guns.
Post by: splitshot on December 18, 2014, 12:03:29 PM
Post by: Windwalker on December 18, 2014, 06:14:23 PM
Everyone will have an opinion on which is best -
Pick a few to choose from and go to a friendly gun store to handle or better yet shoot them if they have a rental program, see if they fit you.
What you choose will probably be looked back on as one of the first ones...as skills develop you're tastes will change and to complicate matters you may find the gun you choose isn't the one you can shoot as well as say..a Glock 19 for example.
You can look for various surveys of IDPA shooters http://www.idpa.com/blog/?tag=/Equipment+Survey (http://www.idpa.com/blog/?tag=/Equipment+Survey) for their choices.
The guns you like aren't always the 'best' at whatever but may serve your needs just fine.
Lots of haggling over the torture test results.
Since most guns come with a limited lifetime warranty of some sort, the warranty it isn't worth the trouble worrying over.
Most folks simply will not live long enough, or make enough money to buy the ammo to wear one out.
And if you do send it in and they will fix it or give you another new one.
Here is some old data from another site- have seen other tests upwards of 90k rounds-
Go here: http://pistol-training.com/ (http://pistol-training.com/) search for Endurance or Torture Test
SA 1911 (9mm)
64,579rds 15 Stoppages 0 malfunctions 5 Parts Breakages
*Barrel shot out
Glock 17 Gen4
71,260rds 19 Stoppages (+1 non LCI) 0 malfunctions 3 Parts Breakages
*Breachface damage
S&W M&P9
62,333rds 2 Stoppages 0 malfunctions 3 Parts Breakages
*Cracked Slide
H&K P30
91,322rds 13 Stoppages 0 malfunctions 5 Parts Breakages
*Broken Frame
H&K45
50,000rds 1 Stoppages 1 malfunctions 1 Parts Breakage
*unknown why he stopped the test..
Glock had the quickest stoppage at round 62 and the HK45 went the longest to round 31,523.
For those that feel the need for an underwater defense-
The Walther PPQ Navy Torture Test - http://vimeo.com/113106708 (http://vimeo.com/113106708)
Just pick one..easy deal.
My theory..browse the gun counter..pick one up that I like..I buy it..try to shoot a few thousand rounds out of it before passing judgement and repeat the process.
Post by: mountainman on December 18, 2014, 10:51:34 PM
Post by: irish52084 on December 19, 2014, 02:49:02 AM
I love that gun and can't recommend it enough.
A Glick 17, XDM or M&P would all be tied for 2nd on my list. They're all good guns, just pick the one that fits you best and go from there. An XDM 9mm is the home defense gun now as its smallest back strap fit well for my wife.
I'll come out and suggest a full size Glick if you get one, the 19 tend to pinch the crap outta my palm when I reload and don't make a conscience effort to get my hand part way off the grip.
Post by: Tyler_C on December 23, 2014, 04:06:15 PM
Post by: Firedogg on December 23, 2014, 09:41:04 PM
I really like the Sigs, I have the 229 in .40, but I have had a chance to shoot dad's Sig 226 and it shoots real well for me. The 226 comes in several variations so it should be easy to find one you like, if you have the $.
A Beretta 92 is a good home defense pistol since you won't be out getting it all mucked up, nice solid feel, runs pretty smooth. It's a little bulky to carry much if it's warm out and you want to conceal it under light clothes.
The other major brands all make fine home defense weapons. Look at what LE agencies use and you will get a good idea of what works and what does not.
but again, the key is getting something in your hand that "you" can shoot. Doesn't do any good if it's a fine firearm but it does not fit you to the point you can't hit $hit.