Post by: longrangehunter338 on October 05, 2014, 09:40:34 PM
“When I got into camp that night, my outfitter and guide mentioned that they had seen the bull before I arrived but that he was a long way off, and if he stayed where he was, it was going to be a tough hunt. I knew there was simply no way to know where he would be the next morning. Anxious and prepared for whatever was in store for the first day of my hunt, I went to bed excited, anxious and nervous…and as usual, I didn’t sleep much.
We left camp in our pickup around 5:20 the next morning, and within 30 minutes, my guide Corey Reynard spotted a large group of elk feeding on an open hillside about a half mile from the road. While we waited in the pickup for the sun to come closer to the horizon so we would have enough daylight to get a better look on that clear eastern Washington September morning, Corey had the binocs up and excitedly said, “I can’t believe it, that’s him! I’ve never seen him up here on this open ridge and he’s got a bunch of cows. We’d better get moving.”
A 15-minute stalk ensued and a good piece of shooting by Dan had the bull down early on the first day of the hunt. He had planned to stay upwards of a month or longer if necessary to find the bull whose notoriety had drifted far beyond the mountains of Washington where he was hunting.
Post by: huntnphool on October 05, 2014, 09:44:08 PM
Post by: longrangehunter338 on October 06, 2014, 12:21:31 AM
Post by: Skillet on October 06, 2014, 12:49:27 AM
So, why the negative commentary 5 years after the bull was killed?
Post by: longrangehunter338 on October 06, 2014, 04:31:43 AM
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on October 06, 2014, 06:49:22 AM
Post by: 2MANY on October 06, 2014, 07:22:51 AM
Post by: irishevox on October 06, 2014, 07:30:53 AM
Plus AWESOME bull!
Post by: jackelope on October 06, 2014, 07:51:12 AM
Let it go already.
Post by: Hunterman on October 06, 2014, 08:09:49 AM
Hunterman(Tony)
Post by: pianoman9701 on October 06, 2014, 08:19:41 AM
Post by: westsidehntr on October 06, 2014, 08:28:38 AM
Post by: nw_bowhunter on October 06, 2014, 10:12:34 AM
Post by: h20hunter on October 06, 2014, 10:14:12 AM
Post by: elkmtngear on October 06, 2014, 10:18:28 AM
Post by: ELKBURGER on October 06, 2014, 12:10:05 PM
Post by: idahohuntr on October 06, 2014, 12:32:49 PM
Post by: rossthebear on October 06, 2014, 12:43:55 PM
Post by: Taco280AI on October 06, 2014, 01:21:08 PM
With that said, that's one hell of a bull!
Where I think the negativity comes from is that he didn't do anything (other than earn money) to earn that bull. Guides did the work. They know the land, they know the bull, they have a good idea where to find him. That guy shows up, makes a 15 minute stalk, and is done. He didn't do anything other than pay a lot of money for that bull.
To me a bull that scored 200 points less that was DIY on public land would hold more value. Just like a guy who makes a longbow by hand vs buying one. Or putting together a classic car vs being the highest bidder at an auction. Nothing wrong with using the money you earned to get you things, but when you put in all the effort on your own and do it all yourself it just means more.
Post by: jackelope on October 06, 2014, 01:34:52 PM
"I woke up, put on my boots, walked 100 yards and dropped him. What a hunt!"
Great 1st post.
Welcome to the site.
Post by: westsidehntr on October 06, 2014, 01:51:34 PM
Post by: WapitiTalk1 on October 06, 2014, 01:58:37 PM
Post by: nwhunter on October 06, 2014, 05:45:05 PM
Post by: billythekidrock on October 06, 2014, 05:57:31 PM
Posts like this are why many many bulls dont get posted on here anymore!! Dan was nice enough to send an email with his pic and story of his San Carlos bull a few weeks back asking to have it posted on here for us to enjoy. When he sees stuff like this Im sure it makes him think twice about sharing his success. We dont all hunt the same or have the same opportunities as each other no doubt about it but it doesnt always make the other guys way of doing it wrong. People are all excited and supportive about guided hunts in Alaska and elsewhere but when they smell a gov tag and money the negativity skyrockets. Seems a little hypocritical to me. What an awesome bull and a lot of time and effort went into that thing. Let it go. nwhunter
Why didn't he post it himself?
Post by: trophyhunt on October 06, 2014, 06:18:04 PM
The whole jealousy argument is a joke. Is like playing the race card. It's the argument that is used when you have no valid argument.:yeah:Agree, the hunt we had this weekend after lots of scouting, hiking and prep work was what it's all about. The bull wasn't the biggest on the mountain but the hunt and day was epic. I have no negative thoughts about Dan's bull, but I highly doubt he felt the spirit of the elk like we did. Again, no negative remarks for him, I would love to hunt big bulls every year like he can. Heck, he's put a ton of money back into the system, almost as much as my permit and license fee's the last few years!! :chuckle:
With that said, that's one hell of a bull!
Where I think the negativity comes from is that he didn't do anything (other than earn money) to earn that bull. Guides did the work. They know the land, they know the bull, they have a good idea where to find him. That guy shows up, makes a 15 minute stalk, and is done. He didn't do anything other than pay a lot of money for that bull.
To me a bull that scored 200 points less that was DIY on public land would hold more value. Just like a guy who makes a longbow by hand vs buying one. Or putting together a classic car vs being the highest bidder at an auction. Nothing wronghttp://hunting-washington.com/smf/Smileys/default/chuckle.gif with using the money you earned to get you things, but when you put in all the effort on your own and do it all yourself it just means more.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on October 06, 2014, 06:22:36 PM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on October 06, 2014, 06:53:24 PM
Post by: 724wd on October 06, 2014, 07:40:14 PM
Where I think the negativity comes from is that he didn't do anything (other than earn money) to earn that bull. Guides did the work. They know the land, they know the bull, they have a good idea where to find him. That guy shows up, makes a 15 minute stalk, and is done. He didn't do anything other than pay a lot of money for that bull.
so guided hunts aren't REAL hunting now? :dunno: :dunno:
Post by: bearpaw on October 06, 2014, 07:54:40 PM
Posts like this are why many many bulls dont get posted on here anymore!! Dan was nice enough to send an email with his pic and story of his San Carlos bull a few weeks back asking to have it posted on here for us to enjoy. When he sees stuff like this Im sure it makes him think twice about sharing his success. We dont all hunt the same or have the same opportunities as each other no doubt about it but it doesnt always make the other guys way of doing it wrong. People are all excited and supportive about guided hunts in Alaska and elsewhere but when they smell a gov tag and money the negativity skyrockets. Seems a little hypocritical to me. What an awesome bull and a lot of time and effort went into that thing. Let it go. nwhunter
I agree whole heartedly and appreciate him sharing his success with those of us who appreciate it. Thanks for sharing your adventures Dan! :hello:
Negative posts will be removed!
Post by: MountainWalk on October 06, 2014, 08:07:44 PM
But now, hell, I dont care. Im not likely to ever draw a bada@@ tag or buy a gov tag. Its cool. Like Campmeat said, records aiint my style. But good for the guy. It was just a stroke of luck the entourage spotted him there. Im sure the hunter fully expected a hike and a hunt. Instead, he got lucky. When Lady Luck looks your way and smiles, dont kick sand in her face!
I think it was TR(pretty sure im wrong) who said " no fair chance shall be refused".
Post by: coachcw on October 06, 2014, 08:22:48 PM
Post by: jason stevens on October 06, 2014, 08:32:34 PM
Post by: 270Shooter on October 06, 2014, 08:50:44 PM
Post by: buckhorn2 on October 06, 2014, 09:11:27 PM
Post by: huntnphool on October 06, 2014, 10:14:17 PM
I'd shoot that bull as fast as I could get out of the truck and legally off the road. Monster.
+1
Post by: csaaphill on October 06, 2014, 10:35:40 PM
2008 though is 6 years not five and oh yes I'd shoot that big old stag heck ya doesn't matter the work they did to get it out more than made up for the five minutes out of the truck!
Post by: ROCKWHEELER on October 06, 2014, 11:14:11 PM
Post by: huntnphool on October 06, 2014, 11:21:09 PM
Last Friday my dad and me helped dan and his brother Bob drag out and load Dan's moose he got near colville. Both those guys are way cool and down to earth and really appreciated the help.
He's going to find that eats better than his elk. :tup:
Post by: ROCKWHEELER on October 06, 2014, 11:27:28 PM
Post by: rasbo on October 07, 2014, 04:21:00 AM
Post by: longrangehunter338 on October 07, 2014, 09:35:41 AM
Its all good gents.
Post by: westsidehntr on October 07, 2014, 09:46:04 AM
From the comments, hunting is hunting whether it is a game ranch that grows 500+ bull elk or 200+ deer. If all I got to do is walk out and shoot it I guess that is all that counts right? I mean who really wants to spend the time scouting anyway.
Its all good gents.
I guess I missed the part that says this was on a game ranch. So lrh would you shoot a trophy if you spotted it while driving?
Post by: bearpaw on October 07, 2014, 09:56:29 AM
Post by: westsidehntr on October 07, 2014, 09:59:35 AM
Post by: blackveltbowhunter on October 07, 2014, 10:36:35 AM
Personally, I look at fully guided/private land/Mossback type hunts in the exact same way I look at baiting and trailcams. Not the type of hunting I want to do, but if it works for others and they enjoy it I certainly won't oppose it and in most cases would offer my support as well. One thing that does always seem to come from these threads and I find laughable are the comments "if you had the money you would do the same thing". Not even close. If ( in dream land :chuckle: ) the opportunity to aquire a governor tag ever arose, I would jump on it. How I would hunt with said tag would be exactly the same as I hunt any other OTC public land tag. My health, kids, friends, family, land access, time etc.... MIGHT all be factors in me changing the way I hunt. But the amount of money in my wallet? Not even on the list.
Post by: boneaddict on October 07, 2014, 10:43:11 AM
Post by: PlateauNDN on October 07, 2014, 10:52:20 AM
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on October 07, 2014, 11:27:08 AM
So correct me if I'm wrong , but this bull was miles from a road and had never been seen near a road and they set out to get him only to find him near a road unexpectedly??? Sounds like right timing by a man who was ready to walk to get it and didn't have to. :tup:
:yeah: GETEM WHERE YOU GETEM! :tup:
Post by: idahohuntr on October 07, 2014, 11:46:59 AM
I used to be publicly against this hunt, even being quoted in Eastmans Journal.?? Against the sale of a governors tag in general or you specifically were critical of the actual hunt that resulted in the harvest of this 436 bull?
Post by: boneaddict on October 07, 2014, 11:50:39 AM
Post by: coachcw on October 07, 2014, 12:16:31 PM
Post by: idahohuntr on October 07, 2014, 12:31:21 PM
Govenor tags in general, not any specific hunt.Gotcha. Yea, I think at the root of some of these negative comments is a legitimate criticism/concern about selling these tags. The criticism should definitely be directed at the system/process that allows sale of tags (i.e., wdfw)...not the hunters who buy and use them. :twocents:
I'm on the fence about whether governors tags are a good thing or not...actually probably more to the side of not a good thing. I'm not sure the benefit to sportsman is quite there in terms of auctioning our most prized resources to the highest bidder.
Post by: vandeman17 on October 07, 2014, 12:40:57 PM
Post by: jackelope on October 07, 2014, 12:52:07 PM
Post by: vandeman17 on October 07, 2014, 01:12:49 PM
Pretty positive that Mossback had nothing to do with this bull.
I can't recall but even if they didn't, my point is that I would rather a smaller bull experienced with friends and family versus paying guides to find one for me but to each their own. I have 100% no problem with what he did. Hopefully that bull passed his genes on to numerous cows too!
Post by: longstevo on October 07, 2014, 02:35:35 PM
I was admiring the life sized mount, and then read the tag on the ground with the information. Something about "Washington State Record, the score, Dan Agnew, 2008"
It is a nice bull.
Didn't he get it with the Governor's tag?
Post by: Legacy on October 07, 2014, 04:25:40 PM
Post by: longrangehunter338 on October 07, 2014, 06:29:31 PM
From the comments, hunting is hunting whether it is a game ranch that grows 500+ bull elk or 200+ deer. If all I got to do is walk out and shoot it I guess that is all that counts right? I mean who really wants to spend the time scouting anyway.
Its all good gents.
I guess I missed the part that says this was on a game ranch. So lrh would you shoot a trophy if you spotted it while driving?
No I would not shoot a trophy nor have I shot at large bucks as well as the oryx in new mexico when driving out in the desert.
Post by: Odell on October 07, 2014, 06:53:55 PM
Post by: longrangehunter338 on October 07, 2014, 07:08:15 PM
Govenor tags in general, not any specific hunt.Gotcha. Yea, I think at the root of some of these negative comments is a legitimate criticism/concern about selling these tags. The criticism should definitely be directed at the system/process that allows sale of tags (i.e., wdfw)...not the hunters who buy and use them. :twocents:
I'm on the fence about whether governors tags are a good thing or not...actually probably more to the side of not a good thing. I'm not sure the benefit to sportsman is quite there in terms of auctioning our most prized resources to the highest bidder.
Like bighorn sheep tags-for A hunter from Utah has raised the value of big-game hunting with a record bid of $480,000 for a special Montana bighorn sheep permit.
Selling coveted bighorn tags to the rich generates fallout from some hunters who’ve failed for decades to get a permit the regular-guy way – in a lottery drawing.
Tree farm prices will just contine to go up.
Post by: ELKBURGER on October 07, 2014, 09:47:41 PM
Noted Rockwheeler's post and pictures on here indicating that "Dan" had been on a moose hunt with the inference that its the same Dan Agnew whose elk is the subject of this post. Must be a different "Dan" as I spoke to Dan Agnew after he returned from 2 weeks of elk hunting on the San Carlos Res in AZ and he indicated he had no additional hunts this year other than for mule deer in AZ and NM. So, not sure who the "Dan" was that Rockwheeler was talking involved on the moose hunt.I thought he had the SE Raffle that got him a moose as well as elk :dunno:
Post by: ROCKWHEELER on October 07, 2014, 09:56:59 PM
Noted Rockwheeler's post and pictures on here indicating that "Dan" had been on a moose hunt with the inference that its the same Dan Agnew whose elk is the subject of this post. Must be a different "Dan" as I spoke to Dan Agnew after he returned from 2 weeks of elk hunting on the San Carlos Res in AZ and he indicated he had no additional hunts this year other than for mule deer in AZ and NM. So, not sure who the "Dan" was that Rockwheeler was talking involved on the moose hunt.
Its the same guy he was telling me and my dad about that bull while we were skinning his moose.
Post by: jackelope on October 07, 2014, 10:14:47 PM
Noted Rockwheeler's post and pictures on here indicating that "Dan" had been on a moose hunt with the inference that its the same Dan Agnew whose elk is the subject of this post. Must be a different "Dan" as I spoke to Dan Agnew after he returned from 2 weeks of elk hunting on the San Carlos Res in AZ and he indicated he had no additional hunts this year other than for mule deer in AZ and NM. So, not sure who the "Dan" was that Rockwheeler was talking involved on the moose hunt.I thought he had the SE Raffle that got him a moose as well as elk :dunno:
The SE raffle the doesn't get you a moose and Mr. Agnew doesn't have either the SE or the NE raffles.
I wonder if Mr. Agnew gave up buying auction tags in Washington after all the unfortunate smack talk he's taken from this forum over the last several years.
Rockwheeler- Id bet a dollar that if Legacy said Mr. Agnew didn't have a moose tag, he didn't have a moose tag.
Just my :2cent:
Post by: ROCKWHEELER on October 07, 2014, 10:28:18 PM
Post by: bone head on October 08, 2014, 04:32:34 PM
Negativity=Jealousy
Post by: billythekidrock on October 08, 2014, 04:54:40 PM
Noted Rockwheeler's post and pictures on here indicating that "Dan" had been on a moose hunt with the inference that its the same Dan Agnew whose elk is the subject of this post. Must be a different "Dan" as I spoke to Dan Agnew after he returned from 2 weeks of elk hunting on the San Carlos Res in AZ and he indicated he had no additional hunts this year other than for mule deer in AZ and NM. So, not sure who the "Dan" was that Rockwheeler was talking involved on the moose hunt.I thought he had the SE Raffle that got him a moose as well as elk :dunno:
The SE raffle the doesn't get you a moose and Mr. Agnew doesn't have either the SE or the NE raffles.
I wonder if Mr. Agnew gave up buying auction tags in Washington after all the unfortunate smack talk he's taken from this forum over the last several years.
Rockwheeler- Id bet a dollar that if Legacy said Mr. Agnew didn't have a moose tag, he didn't have a moose tag.
Just my :2cent:
:yeah:
Post by: rosscrazyelk on October 08, 2014, 05:07:26 PM
I'd buy it every year if I could but of course i'd rotate states to keep it fresh :chuckle: It's unbelievably addicting to be able to pass animals and hunt for the one and almost becomes a curse.Why are you on here, Shouldn't you be hunting? You have alot of tags to fill
Post by: huntnphool on October 08, 2014, 05:16:45 PM
Rockwheeler- Id bet a dollar that if Legacy said Mr. Agnew didn't have a moose tag, he didn't have a moose tag.Noted Rockwheeler's post and pictures on here indicating that "Dan" had been on a moose hunt with the inference that its the same Dan Agnew whose elk is the subject of this post. Must be a different "Dan" as I spoke to Dan Agnew after he returned from 2 weeks of elk hunting on the San Carlos Res in AZ and he indicated he had no additional hunts this year other than for mule deer in AZ and NM. So, not sure who the "Dan" was that Rockwheeler was talking involved on the moose hunt.I thought he had the SE Raffle that got him a moose as well as elk :dunno:
Just my :2cent:
:chuckle:
Post by: coachcw on October 08, 2014, 05:25:26 PM
You tell me some of us have to try and make a living and hunt . I'm stretching every weekend out as long as possible if I Had the money some of these guys did my shop would be a ghost town for three months ....I'd buy it every year if I could but of course i'd rotate states to keep it fresh :chuckle: It's unbelievably addicting to be able to pass animals and hunt for the one and almost becomes a curse.Why are you on here, Shouldn't you be hunting? You have alot of tags to fill
Post by: rosscrazyelk on October 08, 2014, 05:31:39 PM
I was just teasing I hope you know..You tell me some of us have to try and make a living and hunt . I'm stretching every weekend out as long as possible if I Had the money some of these guys did my shop would be a ghost town for three months ....I'd buy it every year if I could but of course i'd rotate states to keep it fresh :chuckle: It's unbelievably addicting to be able to pass animals and hunt for the one and almost becomes a curse.Why are you on here, Shouldn't you be hunting? You have alot of tags to fill
Post by: coachcw on October 08, 2014, 05:52:03 PM
Post by: jackelope on October 08, 2014, 08:48:56 PM
Post by: boneaddict on October 09, 2014, 07:43:05 AM
Post by: coachcw on October 09, 2014, 09:34:00 AM
I'll run the shop for you.be careful you may have too if your not careful.
Post by: coachcw on October 09, 2014, 09:35:22 AM
I'll fill your tag for you....oh ya, that's probably illegal.Sorry bone no companion card here ... pretty sure I will be crippled by the end of the season so next year is a option :chuckle:
Post by: Legacy on October 09, 2014, 10:58:23 AM
Post by: westsidehntr on October 09, 2014, 11:43:58 AM
From the comments, hunting is hunting whether it is a game ranch that grows 500+ bull elk or 200+ deer. If all I got to do is walk out and shoot it I guess that is all that counts right? I mean who really wants to spend the time scouting anyway.
Its all good gents.
I guess I missed the part that says this was on a game ranch. So lrh would you shoot a trophy if you spotted it while driving?
No I would not shoot a trophy nor have I shot at large bucks as well as the oryx in new mexico when driving out in the desert.
Well hats off to you for passing up easy shots on animals to go for harder more rewarding kills. But I still don't see the need to bash others for taking whats available.
Post by: boneaddict on October 09, 2014, 12:37:29 PM
Quote
longrangehunter338.
Just making a point about different viewpoints. :)
Post by: boneaddict on October 09, 2014, 12:39:19 PM
Post by: longrangehunter338 on October 09, 2014, 11:14:08 PM
Its all good, whether is money or time people invest into hunting. In my own opinion, if someone pays a large some of money for someone to put them infront of a trophy so be it. Same thing has been said about lee & tiffany lawkosky, food plots and huge whitetails in their backyard. To each their own and we have the freedom to do so.
Side note, interesting read as to how hunters are shooting themselves out of deer.
http://www.wideopenspaces.com/top-10-worst-deer-hunting-states/ (http://www.wideopenspaces.com/top-10-worst-deer-hunting-states/)
Post by: jackelope on October 10, 2014, 08:20:15 AM
Its more rewarding to bust something at 800 yards.Quotelongrangehunter338.
Just making a point about different viewpoints. :)
Well said. There could be a whole new rant thread about that if we wanted. Some may call long range hunting lazy or not hunting or whatever. Oh wait. That's already been aired out a few dozen times just like this bull and hunt's story has over the last 6 years. Different strokes for different folks. Division and disdain between hunters will be the death of us as a group. Please keep that in mind.
Post by: BABackcountryBwhntr on October 13, 2014, 04:01:18 PM
The whole jealousy argument is a joke. Is like playing the race card. It's the argument that is used when you have no valid argument.
With that said, that's one hell of a bull!
Where I think the negativity comes from is that he didn't do anything (other than earn money) to earn that bull. Guides did the work. They know the land, they know the bull, they have a good idea where to find him. That guy shows up, makes a 15 minute stalk, and is done. He didn't do anything other than pay a lot of money for that bull.
To me a bull that scored 200 points less that was DIY on public land would hold more value. Just like a guy who makes a longbow by hand vs buying one. Or putting together a classic car vs being the highest bidder at an auction. Nothing wrong with using the money you earned to get you things, but when you put in all the effort on your own and do it all yourself it just means more.
Spot on.
Post by: Reidus on October 18, 2014, 08:02:34 PM
Post by: greatnw on October 20, 2014, 09:59:55 PM
I love the fence post looking beams on this elk and the crowns are just amazing!
Post by: longrangehunter338 on October 21, 2014, 07:48:20 AM
Post by: Taco280AI on October 21, 2014, 10:47:16 AM
I'm sure your wife appreciates you taking her out on the town with a great meal at a fancy restaurant now and then. She appreciates that you can do that with the money you've earned and you should be proud of that. But what she appreciates even more, is when she gets home, you tell her to go take a hot, relaxing bath while you cook dinner for her. When you look up a recipe, go to the store to get all the little ingredients you need to make it, when you do all the prep work, when you cook it, and serve this home cooked meal that you put so much thought, time, and effort into. Then when you clean the kitchen yourself while letting her relax some more. That means more to her than you simply picking up the tab at a restaurant. It's the thought, the effort, the meaning behind it all.
I was thinking about the elk I've taken and my biggest bull was almost forgotten. My first means a lot to me. My first archery bull means a lot as well, especially when I called him in from 300 yards down to 42 yards after all the effort I put into simply finding him. I put in a lot of effort to get him. There was a bull that I never even saw, but interacted with him three separate days trying to get him - he means more to me than the five point I got. Not that I don't appreciate the meat and all the meals he provided, I absolutely do! But in terms of memories, he's last. Why? Because I didn't do anything to get him. It was pure, dumb luck. Opening day I was with my neighbor and we were driving to another location to go still hunt some stick stuff. Unknown to us, there was a couple hunting that very plot of trees who had pushed a herd out into the open. We came around the corner, there were the elk. I jumped out, went off the road and shot him. That was it.
I hope that bull means the world to him and he's proud of him. Nothing wrong with using your money to get you things. I just judge my hunt from the hunt itself and not the size of the rack, which is why my best bull ranks dead last in memories and satisfaction.
Post by: pianoman9701 on October 21, 2014, 11:02:01 AM
Post by: bankwalker on October 21, 2014, 11:14:26 AM
So i need to get this straight from you guys making this stupid argument.
If you hunt an area for 10+ years, you learn every inch of said land and you see every big bull. This land is not a bull legal area and you have to draw a permit for said land.
Your buddy draws this permit for your hard hunted and learned land. You offer to take him into this area and help him get the shot at a once in a life time bull...which you know is there and have seen him year after year.
He shows up in camp and kills that bull the same day on the first stalk.
Your buddy did no work at all. So his trophy is worthless??
Post by: 334OKH on October 21, 2014, 11:53:17 AM
Post by: Landowner on October 21, 2014, 01:01:50 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on October 21, 2014, 04:05:23 PM
Each to their own. Apparently it has not hurt his chances at trophy bulls because he has the mounts to prove it, but buying tags for big money and using that type of crew hunting will keep you from getting permission to hunt a lot of prime private ground in the Dayton area.
I'm sure that hurts him deeply. :chuckle: :chuckle: The money from Governor's tags is essential for supplementing the funding of wildlife management and conservation. I can't afford it but I'm glad someone can.
Post by: Landowner on October 22, 2014, 06:51:03 PM
Each to their own. Apparently it has not hurt his chances at trophy bulls because he has the mounts to prove it, but buying tags for big money and using that type of crew hunting will keep you from getting permission to hunt a lot of prime private ground in the Dayton area.
I'm sure that hurts him deeply. :chuckle: :chuckle: The money from Governor's tags is essential for supplementing the funding of wildlife management and conservation. I can't afford it but I'm glad someone can.
So many things come back to money. Traditional hunting---take a backseat.
Post by: ctwiggs1 on October 24, 2014, 07:54:26 AM
Each to their own. Apparently it has not hurt his chances at trophy bulls because he has the mounts to prove it, but buying tags for big money and using that type of crew hunting will keep you from getting permission to hunt a lot of prime private ground in the Dayton area.
I'm sure that hurts him deeply. :chuckle: :chuckle: The money from Governor's tags is essential for supplementing the funding of wildlife management and conservation. I can't afford it but I'm glad someone can.
There has got to be a meme for this... :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: gr8whthunter on October 24, 2014, 08:16:02 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on October 24, 2014, 08:39:10 AM
Each to their own. Apparently it has not hurt his chances at trophy bulls because he has the mounts to prove it, but buying tags for big money and using that type of crew hunting will keep you from getting permission to hunt a lot of prime private ground in the Dayton area.
I'm sure that hurts him deeply. :chuckle: :chuckle: The money from Governor's tags is essential for supplementing the funding of wildlife management and conservation. I can't afford it but I'm glad someone can.
So many things come back to money. Traditional hunting---take a backseat.
We all hunt differently. Some of us spend the week in an RV and some of us do back country hunts sleeping little tube tents. Some have three days to hunt every year and hire guides who find their game for them ahead of time. Who says your way is the only way except you? Your phrase "traditional hunting" means absolutely nothing to anyone unless you're telling us that you hunt with a spear which has an obsidian head that you chipped yourself. Other than actually running the animal down until it collapses from exhaustion, that's the only true traditional hunting. The important thing is that we hunt, not how we legally do it.
And yes, it does all come back to money, even your idea of traditional hunting, whatever that might be. It takes money to run our DFW - big shocker. I know that many on here including myself, do their part toward conservation in other ways. But for you to thumb your nose at someone because he's put $50K into our wildlife is crazy. That's enough money to hire another biologist or other needed employee. It's enough to make up the difference in one of the hatcheries being shut down, or enough to purchase another vehicle for LE. The department sells those tags because it needs that money. You might consider thanking that guy instead of being sour grapes because he didn't ask you how he should hunt. Just my :twocents:
Post by: Jonathan_S on October 24, 2014, 09:02:49 AM
Each to their own. Apparently it has not hurt his chances at trophy bulls because he has the mounts to prove it, but buying tags for big money and using that type of crew hunting will keep you from getting permission to hunt a lot of prime private ground in the Dayton area.
I'm sure that hurts him deeply. :chuckle: :chuckle: The money from Governor's tags is essential for supplementing the funding of wildlife management and conservation. I can't afford it but I'm glad someone can.
So many things come back to money. Traditional hunting---take a backseat.
We all hunt differently. Some of us spend the week in an RV and some of us do back country hunts sleeping little tube tents. Some have three days to hunt every year and hire guides who find their game for them ahead of time. Who says your way is the only way except you? Your phrase "traditional hunting" means absolutely nothing to anyone unless you're telling us that you hunt with a spear which has an obsidian head that you chipped yourself. Other than actually running the animal down until it collapses from exhaustion, that's the only true traditional hunting. The important thing is that we hunt, not how we legally do it.
And yes, it does all come back to money, even your idea of traditional hunting, whatever that might be. It takes money to run our DFW - big shocker. I know that many on here including myself, do their part toward conservation in other ways. But for you to thumb your nose at someone because he's put $50K into our wildlife is crazy. That's enough money to hire another biologist or other needed employee. It's enough to make up the difference in one of the hatcheries being shut down, or enough to purchase another vehicle for LE. The department sells those tags because it needs that money. You might consider thanking that guy instead of being sour grapes because he didn't ask you how he should hunt. Just my :twocents:
Boom. :yeah:
I am on your team.
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on October 24, 2014, 09:15:57 AM
That said, I call any hunter a fool who chooses to bash on the wealthy people who choose to spend more money than necessary because that money goes to benefit the resources we all love. There are about a billion other ways wealthy people choose to spend their time and money that harm wildlife, habitat and hunting traditions. I'd much rather dump on the guys who fence off migration corridors, shut down hunting, and build golf courses and resorts on crucial mule deer and bighorn sheep winter ranges - but hey, to each his own.
Post by: pianoman9701 on October 24, 2014, 09:54:07 AM
Each to their own. Apparently it has not hurt his chances at trophy bulls because he has the mounts to prove it, but buying tags for big money and using that type of crew hunting will keep you from getting permission to hunt a lot of prime private ground in the Dayton area.
I'm sure that hurts him deeply. :chuckle: :chuckle: The money from Governor's tags is essential for supplementing the funding of wildlife management and conservation. I can't afford it but I'm glad someone can.
So many things come back to money. Traditional hunting---take a backseat.
We all hunt differently. Some of us spend the week in an RV and some of us do back country hunts sleeping little tube tents. Some have three days to hunt every year and hire guides who find their game for them ahead of time. Who says your way is the only way except you? Your phrase "traditional hunting" means absolutely nothing to anyone unless you're telling us that you hunt with a spear which has an obsidian head that you chipped yourself. Other than actually running the animal down until it collapses from exhaustion, that's the only true traditional hunting. The important thing is that we hunt, not how we legally do it.
And yes, it does all come back to money, even your idea of traditional hunting, whatever that might be. It takes money to run our DFW - big shocker. I know that many on here including myself, do their part toward conservation in other ways. But for you to thumb your nose at someone because he's put $50K into our wildlife is crazy. That's enough money to hire another biologist or other needed employee. It's enough to make up the difference in one of the hatcheries being shut down, or enough to purchase another vehicle for LE. The department sells those tags because it needs that money. You might consider thanking that guy instead of being sour grapes because he didn't ask you how he should hunt. Just my :twocents:
Boom. :yeah:
I am on your team.
Only if you hunt archery with a Hoyt. Otherwise, no way! :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: 2MANY on October 24, 2014, 10:02:43 AM
I agree.
People bashing on others who buy auction tags are jealous.
Plain and simple.
They are the same ones that bash on someone for wearing Sitka clothes or buying a new rig, etc.
Ultimately it will be man's inability to manage his penis that will be the down fall of wildlife. Over population will eventually ruin this rock.
Until then some will do more than others to slow the process.
Post by: ctwiggs1 on October 24, 2014, 10:05:34 AM
:bash: :bash: :bash:
Ultimately it will be man's inability to manage his penis that will be the down fall of wildlife. Over population will eventually ruin this rock.
Thanks a lot jerk, I am now cleaning up my desk after spitting up some of my burrito from laughing so hard.
Post by: Rainier10 on October 24, 2014, 10:25:40 AM
"That said, I call any hunter a fool who chooses to bash on the wealthy people who choose to spend more money than necessary because that money goes to benefit the resources we all love. There are about a billion other ways wealthy people choose to spend their time and money that harm wildlife, habitat and hunting traditions. I'd much rather dump on the guys who fence off migration corridors, shut down hunting, and build golf courses and resorts on crucial mule deer and bighorn sheep winter ranges - but hey, to each his own.":yeah:
I agree.
People bashing on others who buy auction tags are jealous.
Plain and simple.
They are the same ones that bash on someone for wearing Sitka clothes or buying a new rig, etc.
Ultimately it will be man's inability to manage his penis that will be the down fall of wildlife. Over population will eventually ruin this rock.
Until then some will do more than others to slow the process.
I would rather they spend there money on something that goes back to managing the wildlife.
What bugs me is the rich guys pouring tons of money into I 594. :bash:
Post by: Landowner on October 24, 2014, 09:58:35 PM
Each to their own. Apparently it has not hurt his chances at trophy bulls because he has the mounts to prove it, but buying tags for big money and using that type of crew hunting will keep you from getting permission to hunt a lot of prime private ground in the Dayton area.
I'm sure that hurts him deeply. :chuckle: :chuckle: The money from Governor's tags is essential for supplementing the funding of wildlife management and conservation. I can't afford it but I'm glad someone can.
So many things come back to money. Traditional hunting---take a backseat.
We all hunt differently. Some of us spend the week in an RV and some of us do back country hunts sleeping little tube tents. Some have three days to hunt every year and hire guides who find their game for them ahead of time. Who says your way is the only way except you? Your phrase "traditional hunting" means absolutely nothing to anyone unless you're telling us that you hunt with a spear which has an obsidian head that you chipped yourself. Other than actually running the animal down until it collapses from exhaustion, that's the only true traditional hunting. The important thing is that we hunt, not how we legally do it.
And yes, it does all come back to money, even your idea of traditional hunting, whatever that might be. It takes money to run our DFW - big shocker. I know that many on here including myself, do their part toward conservation in other ways. But for you to thumb your nose at someone because he's put $50K into our wildlife is crazy. That's enough money to hire another biologist or other needed employee. It's enough to make up the difference in one of the hatcheries being shut down, or enough to purchase another vehicle for LE. The department sells those tags because it needs that money. You might consider thanking that guy instead of being sour grapes because he didn't ask you how he should hunt. Just my :twocents:
I contribute in a substantial way to conservation every day on my ranch and farm, so no need to lecture me about that topic. It involves the land, the wildlife, the water, the natural resources. You are the first person I have run into who wants to argue about what traditional hunting is, and offers up silly arguments about hunting with spears in a loin cloth. Surely your grandpa or father taught you how to hunt? Whether with a spear as you mention, a rifle or other weapon of choice, you go out into the woods and put up your skills against the game you hunt, and hope for a little luck to go with it. But I see that you are instead focused on the money. That's your right to do. No sour grapes here. I could buy a hunt, but like 99 percent of the hunters I know ----I like tradition. On the other hand, if someone wants to hire a crew of people to hunt for them and pay thousands of dollars, it's their money and their choice.
Post by: pianoman9701 on October 25, 2014, 06:50:45 AM
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on October 25, 2014, 08:56:30 AM
Each to their own. Apparently it has not hurt his chances at trophy bulls because he has the mounts to prove it, but buying tags for big money and using that type of crew hunting will keep you from getting permission to hunt a lot of prime private ground in the Dayton area.
:tup:
Post by: JWEBB on December 03, 2014, 10:49:49 PM
Post by: groundhog on December 04, 2014, 07:09:15 AM
I wonder how many of you that are bashing Dan Agnew would buy the Governors tag for $50 bucks? What about $500.00? A $1,000??? How about $5,000?? If you would buy it for $50 bucks you can't bash Agnew for buying it for $50,000 or whatever he paid.
I am sure that Dan Agnew has been on many long tough hunts just like the rest of us. If you hunt hard and long enough you will eventually have an easy one. I have found that the best time to kill a big bull or buck is when you see him. If you pass they have a way of walking out of your life, never to be seen again.
Post by: Chukarhead on December 04, 2014, 10:21:01 AM
Good for Dan that he got that monster bull but it is completely ridiculous that it is in the B and C and it is ranked number 1 in the state non typ. They should have a totally seperate scoring-record division for governors tag bulls. I didn't kill my big bulls in sept with a rifle wearing camo with 5+ guides with me.
Awwwwww, muffin!
You resurrected this dead horse just to squish sour grapes?
Post by: huntnphool on December 04, 2014, 10:24:49 AM
I didn't kill my big bulls in sept with a rifle wearing camo with 5+ guides with me.
Good for you, keep patting yourself on the back while you have another glass of whine! :tup:
Post by: idahohuntr on December 04, 2014, 10:25:21 AM
I think it is good to question the value of offering up any of these auction/raffle tags. In Washington, the public places severe restrictions on ourselves such that some of our elk herds contain a number of trophy class bulls. Our collective desire to manage elk this way creates a demand that can generate revenue of what 30 or 40k for a special tag? My concern is...what do we get for that 30 or 40k and is that benefit higher than allowing the public to have equal access to those public resources?
I guess my question really boils down to: What program/project etc. will go away if we took those auction tags away and put them in the regular draw? Presumably, budgets would be prioritized such that the most critical and important projects would not be cut if this funding went away...so what are we really getting? Anytime an agency comes up with a new auction plan I think the first question should be...can we cut something less critical or unimportant to get the money we would with an auction? If that answer is no, then question 2 is the cost/benefit piece. :twocents:
Post by: huntnphool on December 04, 2014, 10:27:52 AM
The issue should not focus on who would or does buy the tag, but the system that allows for such a transaction to take place.
I think it is good to question the value of offering up any of these auction/raffle tags. In Washington, the public places severe restrictions on ourselves such that some of our elk herds contain a number of trophy class bulls. Our collective desire to manage elk this way creates a demand that can generate revenue of what 30 or 40k for a special tag? My concern is...what do we get for that 30 or 40k and is that benefit higher than allowing the public to have equal access to those public resources?
I guess my question really boils down to: What program/project etc. will go away if we took those auction tags away and put them in the regular draw? Presumably, budgets would be prioritized such that the most critical and important projects would not be cut if this funding went away...so what are we really getting? Anytime an agency comes up with a new auction plan I think the first question should be...can we cut something less critical or unimportant to get the money we would with an auction? If that answer is no, then question 2 is the cost/benefit piece. :twocents:
Great post :tup:
Post by: Katmai Guy on December 04, 2014, 10:31:10 AM
Good for Dan that he got that monster bull but it is completely ridiculous that it is in the B and C and it is ranked number 1 in the state non typ. They should have a totally seperate scoring-record division for governors tag bulls. I didn't kill my big bulls in sept with a rifle wearing camo with 5+ guides with me.
Why should they have a different division? The record books are for recognizing exceptional animals, not the hunter. A first day hunter has as good a chance of shooting a record book animal as a 75yr veteran if they are hunting the same area.
Post by: Bob33 on December 04, 2014, 10:33:37 AM
The issue should not focus on who would or does buy the tag, but the system that allows for such a transaction to take place.Agreed. One consideration needs to be the perception that many hunters have today that hunting is becoming a rich man's sport. The end result is hunters giving up. Draw odds for trophy animals in Washington are ridiculously small, and yet if you have enough money you can hunt trophy bulls in Washington every year (or two trophy rams in Idaho ;)).
Post by: Katmai Guy on December 04, 2014, 10:39:04 AM
Since 1994, auctions have been conducted by conservation organizations via a contract with WDFW, whereas most raffles are conducted by WDFW. Over five million dollars have been generated solely for the management of the respective big game species. This revenue typically funds activities that would otherwise not occur due to budget limitation, including surveys, status reviews, animal captures, transplants, habitat improvement projects, research projects, and disease monitoring
They tell us on the WDFW website what would go away. Is it worth it?
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on December 04, 2014, 10:41:20 AM
Post by: Elkrunner on December 04, 2014, 10:43:13 AM
Post by: 6x6in6 on December 04, 2014, 10:48:32 AM
Except he paid $65,000 for the tag. :chuckle:
Thank you for your financial contribution for our state's wildlife Dan Agnew and congratulations on an epic bull..........again! :tup:
Post by: 6x6in6 on December 04, 2014, 10:49:39 AM
Post by: Tbar on December 04, 2014, 11:05:11 AM
Heck, this years eastside auction tag was almost a bargain at $35k :chuckle:That is a bargain. If I could I would love to buy either west or east tag. I appreciate the contributions made by the people buying the tags, I truly believe the revenue generated makes a difference. Thank you Dan, Kevin, and others who continue to support conservation in our state.
On a side not 6x6in6, what did the Westside tag go for?
Post by: JimmyHoffa on December 04, 2014, 11:26:29 AM
The issue should not focus on who would or does buy the tag, but the system that allows for such a transaction to take place.Yeah, that would be interesting to see where the revenue benefits. My hope is that elk auction proceeds go solely to elk. And that they could show that money has resulted in more elk/opportunity available on a whole--such that the loss of an auction bull from the pool results in multiple permits or longer seasons for the rest of hunters. If that were the case, one would wonder what a few more auction tags could do for the herd.
I think it is good to question the value of offering up any of these auction/raffle tags. In Washington, the public places severe restrictions on ourselves such that some of our elk herds contain a number of trophy class bulls. Our collective desire to manage elk this way creates a demand that can generate revenue of what 30 or 40k for a special tag? My concern is...what do we get for that 30 or 40k and is that benefit higher than allowing the public to have equal access to those public resources?
I guess my question really boils down to: What program/project etc. will go away if we took those auction tags away and put them in the regular draw? Presumably, budgets would be prioritized such that the most critical and important projects would not be cut if this funding went away...so what are we really getting? Anytime an agency comes up with a new auction plan I think the first question should be...can we cut something less critical or unimportant to get the money we would with an auction? If that answer is no, then question 2 is the cost/benefit piece. :twocents:
Post by: 6x6in6 on December 04, 2014, 11:47:58 AM
$25kHeck, this years eastside auction tag was almost a bargain at $35k :chuckle:That is a bargain. If I could I would love to buy either west or east tag. I appreciate the contributions made by the people buying the tags, I truly believe the revenue generated makes a difference. Thank you Dan, Kevin, and others who continue to support conservation in our state.
On a side not 6x6in6, what did the Westside tag go for?
Here's the historical lowdown on all of them....
http://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/permits/raffles/big_game_auctions_proceeds.pdf (http://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/permits/raffles/big_game_auctions_proceeds.pdf)
Post by: Bob33 on December 04, 2014, 11:52:36 AM
The individuals that bid on these auctions already know what animals are out there. If there's a record class animal they know it when bidding.Heck, this years eastside auction tag was almost a bargain at $35k :chuckle:That is a bargain. If I could I would love to buy either west or east tag. I appreciate the contributions made by the people buying the tags, I truly believe the revenue generated makes a difference. Thank you Dan, Kevin, and others who continue to support conservation in our state.
On a side not 6x6in6, what did the Westside tag go for?
Post by: HntnFsh on December 04, 2014, 04:55:20 PM
The individuals that bid on these auctions already know what animals are out there. If there's a record class animal they know it when bidding.Heck, this years eastside auction tag was almost a bargain at $35k :chuckle:That is a bargain. If I could I would love to buy either west or east tag. I appreciate the contributions made by the people buying the tags, I truly believe the revenue generated makes a difference. Thank you Dan, Kevin, and others who continue to support conservation in our state.
On a side not 6x6in6, what did the Westside tag go for?
Yep!
Post by: HntnFsh on December 04, 2014, 04:56:41 PM
This must be the $50,000.00 Bull Elk?
Looks like a beautiful mount. Other than it looks like the horns werent placed right!
Post by: jackelope on December 04, 2014, 05:32:52 PM
The issue should not focus on who would or does buy the tag, but the system that allows for such a transaction to take place.
I think it is good to question the value of offering up any of these auction/raffle tags. In Washington, the public places severe restrictions on ourselves such that some of our elk herds contain a number of trophy class bulls. Our collective desire to manage elk this way creates a demand that can generate revenue of what 30 or 40k for a special tag? My concern is...what do we get for that 30 or 40k and is that benefit higher than allowing the public to have equal access to those public resources?
I guess my question really boils down to: What program/project etc. will go away if we took those auction tags away and put them in the regular draw? Presumably, budgets would be prioritized such that the most critical and important projects would not be cut if this funding went away...so what are we really getting? Anytime an agency comes up with a new auction plan I think the first question should be...can we cut something less critical or unimportant to get the money we would with an auction? If that answer is no, then question 2 is the cost/benefit piece. :twocents:
An even bigger issue for me is where the money goes from these auctions. That's the big grey area. The system that allows for these sales to take place happens in nearly every state in the west and a few in the east. Now as of recently we've got the big money hunters buying up all the raffle tickets too, to where we've got a guy this year and in years past with an auction tag and a raffle tag, or another guy with multiple raffle tags. I respect the guys who are buying them because I'd like to think their money is going to a good cause, although I'm really not sure.
Post by: link on December 04, 2014, 05:44:49 PM
Post by: idahohuntr on December 04, 2014, 07:24:27 PM
Post by: bigbeamhunter on December 06, 2014, 11:03:30 AM
He spent big money to get that bull. If he doesn't get it he fails. If we don't an elk he still had a good time hunting. If I had the money I'd do it every year!!!
Post by: Bob33 on December 06, 2014, 11:20:08 AM
I can't believe people still talk about this.Well...
Post by: bigbeamhunter on December 06, 2014, 12:12:44 PM
Post by: GameHunter1959 on December 06, 2014, 12:14:47 PM
Posts like this are why many many bulls dont get posted on here anymore!! Dan was nice enough to send an email with his pic and story of his San Carlos bull a few weeks back asking to have it posted on here for us to enjoy. When he sees stuff like this Im sure it makes him think twice about sharing his success. We dont all hunt the same or have the same opportunities as each other no doubt about it but it doesnt always make the other guys way of doing it wrong. People are all excited and supportive about guided hunts in Alaska and elsewhere but when they smell a gov tag and money the negativity skyrockets. Seems a little hypocritical to me. What an awesome bull and a lot of time and effort went into that thing. Let it go. nwhunter
Why didn't he post it himself?
I'm guessing he paid somebody else to post it for him.
Post by: GameHunter1959 on December 06, 2014, 01:19:39 PM
I can't believe people still talk about this. It wasn't suppose to be an easy hunt the day before the bull was at the bottom of the canyon but as bulls do can came up and got greedy to get some more cows, and showed himself. Here's my two cents. Dan is a good guy I went to school with his daughters
He spent big money to get that bull. If he doesn't get it he fails. If we don't an elk he still had a good time hunting. If I had the money I'd do it every year!!!
What does going to school with his daughters have to do with anything? :dunno:
Post by: link on December 06, 2014, 03:07:19 PM
I don't care who buys these tags and how much they spend on them. My only concern is that I would hope the majority of the money raised by these tags goes to benefit the game therefore benefiting the rest of us hunters. Like I said, It would be pretty *censored*ty if all this big money raised goes into some sort of a state general fund for other departments to dip their greedy little hands into.
Post by: jackelope on December 07, 2014, 11:50:22 AM
I can't believe people still talk about this. It wasn't suppose to be an easy hunt the day before the bull was at the bottom of the canyon but as bulls do can came up and got greedy to get some more cows, and showed himself. Here's my two cents. Dan is a good guy I went to school with his daughters
He spent big money to get that bull. If he doesn't get it he fails. If we don't an elk he still had a good time hunting. If I had the money I'd do it every year!!!
What does going to school with his daughters have to do with anything? :dunno:
I'd guess it was a reference to knowing the man and maybe a little of his character maybe.
You obviously don't like the idea of these tags or Mr. Agnew or both. How much have you donated to conservation lately? How much have you contributed to preserving our sport?
Post by: GameHunter1959 on December 07, 2014, 12:16:27 PM
I donate $3500 to the Rocky Mtn. Elk Foundation annually. I also donate $1000 to Washingtonians For Wildlife Conservation annually. I would have liked to of donated more this year, but my son passed away at Seattle Children's Hospital a few month back, which resulted in over $300,000 in medical bills. Not to mention I donated $5000 to SCH in my sons name.
I think my wife and I have done our part this year.
Post by: jackelope on December 07, 2014, 12:23:37 PM
Josh; not sure where you came up with the idea that I don't like these tags, or Mr. Agnew? Your really reaching on this one-lol
I donate $3500 to the Rocky Mtn. Elk Foundation annually. I also donate $1000 to Washingtonians For Wildlife Conservation annually. I would have liked to of donated more this year, but my son passed away at Seattle Children's Hospital a few month back, which resulted in over $300,000 in medical bills. Not to mention I donated $5000 to SCH in my sons name.
I think my wife and I have done our part this year.
I would agree that you have done your part. Really sorry for the loss of your child. I can't imagine.
My assumption was based on your comments in this thread. Mentioning that he likely paid someone to post the pics of his bull, etc. Seemed like a bit of a passive aggressive comment to me. Pretty sure Mr. Agnew has made his own fair share of posts on this forum. He doesn't have to pay anyone.
Post by: GameHunter1959 on December 07, 2014, 12:31:24 PM
Post by: jackelope on December 07, 2014, 01:07:22 PM
Post by: GotMyTag on December 09, 2014, 06:18:33 AM
And thanks for those who contribute to make hunting better for us all.
horrible that a son was lost recently. Sorry for that.
Post by: Calvin Rayborn on December 13, 2014, 02:32:27 AM
Good for Dan that he got that monster bull but it is completely ridiculous that it is in the B and C and it is ranked number 1 in the state non typ. They should have a totally seperate scoring-record division for governors tag bulls. I didn't kill my big bulls in sept with a rifle wearing camo with 5+ guides with me.
I agree with JWEBB, he doesn't directly put hunter Dan down (although a posse of expert hunting guides and beautiful September weather does sound awful posh...hehe), but simply states that he believes the bull shouldn't be in B&C, which honors traditional hunting methods and fair chase. B&C defines "fair chase" in a quote from their website, as the "taking of any free-ranging wild, native North American big game animal in a manner that does not give the hunter an improper advantage over such animals." Knowing the exact location of the animal before you even start the hunt thanks to an army of paid professionals might just be a bit of an "improper advantage" in my humble opinion!
Post by: GameHunter1959 on December 13, 2014, 01:46:34 PM
That is one really beautiful bull.
And thanks for those who contribute to make hunting better for us all.
horrible that a son was lost recently. Sorry for that.
I appreciate your kind words. It is a very tough thing to have your son pass in your arms. Back on topic thou. Nice bull and congrats to Mr. Agnew.
Post by: Houndhunter on December 13, 2014, 02:30:48 PM
Good for Dan that he got that monster bull but it is completely ridiculous that it is in the B and C and it is ranked number 1 in the state non typ. They should have a totally seperate scoring-record division for governors tag bulls. I didn't kill my big bulls in sept with a rifle wearing camo with 5+ guides with me.
I agree with JWEBB, he doesn't directly put hunter Dan down (although a posse of expert hunting guides and beautiful September weather does sound awful posh...hehe), but simply states that he believes the bull shouldn't be in B&C, which honors traditional hunting methods and fair chase. B&C defines "fair chase" in a quote from their website, as the "taking of any free-ranging wild, native North American big game animal in a manner that does not give the hunter an improper advantage over such animals." Knowing the exact location of the animal before you even start the hunt thanks to an army of paid professionals might just be a bit of an "improper advantage" in my humble opinion!
How do you guys feel about tribal B&C kills? 8)