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Title: Unit 11 Sheep hunter shoots 2 rams
Post by: huntnnw on October 20, 2014, 06:24:05 AM
This is BS and sounds like nobody is getting in trouble..slaps on the hand! Not to include the guy that drew the tag didnt even check his results in 2012 and got a rain check to hunt this year :yike:

http://lmtribune.com/outdoors/article_2aabe41d-c145-5a2e-999f-dae313baa69b.html (http://lmtribune.com/outdoors/article_2aabe41d-c145-5a2e-999f-dae313baa69b.html)
Title: Re: Unit 11 Sheep hunter shoots 2 rams
Post by: Jingles on October 20, 2014, 07:08:41 AM
IMO he should loose his hunting privileges for life.
Title: Re: Unit 11 Sheep hunter shoots 2 rams
Post by: combs338 on October 20, 2014, 07:41:06 AM
 :yeah:
Title: Re: Unit 11 Sheep hunter shoots 2 rams
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on October 20, 2014, 08:02:15 AM
No sense in convicting someone until you know the whole story  :dunno:  Heck maybe the bullet passed threw one and hit another ... :dunno: :twocents:
Title: Re: Unit 11 Sheep hunter shoots 2 rams
Post by: BULLBLASTER on October 20, 2014, 03:12:18 PM
Can you copy amd paste the artical? I cant open it.
Title: Re: Unit 11 Sheep hunter shoots 2 rams
Post by: h20hunter on October 20, 2014, 03:13:03 PM
F&G looks into case of hunter dropping two bighorns



 





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Posted: Friday, October 17, 2014 12:00 am

By ERIC BARKER of the Tribune | 0 comments




Conservation officers at the Idaho Department of Fish and Game are investigating two bighorn sheep rams that were allegedly shot by the same hunter in Unit 11 south of Lewiston.

Mark Hill, the department's senior conservation officer at Lewiston, said the hunter had a tag for a ram and the initial information indicates the hunter did not intend to shoot more than one animal.
Title: Re: Unit 11 Sheep hunter shoots 2 rams
Post by: jrebel on October 20, 2014, 03:15:07 PM
I think what H2O posted is just an intro.  You need to have a subscription to read the whole article.  I would like to know more before commenting so if someone has more info that would be great.
Title: Re: Unit 11 Sheep hunter shoots 2 rams
Post by: Todd_ID on October 20, 2014, 03:15:33 PM
F&G looks into case of hunter dropping two bighorns


Posted: Friday, October 17, 2014 12:00 am
By ERIC BARKER of the Tribune | 0 comments
Conservation officers at the Idaho Department of Fish and Game are investigating two bighorn sheep rams that were allegedly shot by the same hunter in Unit 11 south of Lewiston.
Mark Hill, the department's senior conservation officer at Lewiston, said the hunter had a tag for a ram and the initial information indicates the hunter did not intend to shoot more than one animal.
 
 
"Every single bit of evidence suggests it was an accidental shooting and it was self-reported to us," he said.
Hill said hunters sometimes shoot at an animal, and when it doesn't drop, they take a second shot only to discover the first shot was on target and the second shot was directed at a second animal. Hunting ethics require people to investigate after pulling the trigger to determine whether their shot was successful. Although it is a violation of hunting regulations and protocol, Hill said it's not uncommon for warnings rather than citations to be issued when hunters report themselves under such circumstances.
"I deal with similar circumstances fairly regularly," he said. "It just (normally) involves species that aren't quite so high profile."
Bighorn sheep tags for Unit 11, which regularly produce record-book quality rams, are highly sought after and sometimes fetch six-figures when auctioned.
The incident remains under investigation and no decisions have been made on charges. Hill declined to release the hunter's name or to say if he was being guided by an outfitter.
In 1999, a Washington hunter mistakenly shot two bighorn rams under similar circumstances. He picked out a ram in a group of bighorns and shot. All the rams ran over a hill and he followed. When the rams came back into view, he thought the ram he initially shot at was still standing and shot again. The ram dropped and when he approached, he found he had shot two rams. He was charged by Washington wildlife officials with exceeding his bag limit.
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Title: Re: Unit 11 Sheep hunter shoots 2 rams
Post by: jrebel on October 20, 2014, 03:35:38 PM
Trophy animal and he will probably get a slap on the wrist.   :bash:

Farmer in Pullman shoots a wolf and will be put through the ringer.   :bash: :bash: :bash:

Our system is messed up.  If what is said is true (I don't know the whole story) he should be charged with multiple violations.  The farmer shoots a wolf to protect his family, livelihood, and livestock / animals and he and well.....you know.   :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash:  That is dumb. 

Wonder if the hunter that shot the rams was a high profile auction winner that is being given leniency???   
Title: Re: Unit 11 Sheep hunter shoots 2 rams
Post by: boneaddict on October 20, 2014, 03:39:41 PM
Not sure what to say........

off the cuff remark.  Give him the ram and fine him what the last gov tag brought in.  Put all money back into the sheep.
Title: Re: Unit 11 Sheep hunter shoots 2 rams
Post by: RadSav on October 20, 2014, 03:50:46 PM
I once glassed three rams that were less than 150 yards away.  Took me nearly an hour to decide if one was different than the other two.  After I shot they bumped into one another getting to heck and gone.  Luckily my shot was true and the ram I chose went down within view.  When the other two came out into the open again there was blood on each ram.  No chance of hitting either of them as I made sure each was clear before I took the shot.  But I could definitely see how someone who thought they had wounded one would have taken another shot.

Sounds like the hunter did the right thing and turned himself in.  He should receive some benefit of the doubt when it comes down to sentencing, I think.  Could definitely have been avoided.  But crap happens.  Doesn't mean you are a bad person.  Just did something stupid in the heat of the moment. 

Punishment?  Absolutely!  Thrown into the fire?  I want more details before I agree with that!
Title: Re: Unit 11 Sheep hunter shoots 2 rams
Post by: Bob33 on October 20, 2014, 03:52:33 PM
"Be sure of your target and what lies beyond it."
Title: Re: Unit 11 Sheep hunter shoots 2 rams
Post by: Bango skank on October 20, 2014, 04:17:06 PM
Interesting how everybody is calling for this guys head, compared to the love this one got.  http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,134347.msg1788796.html#msg1788796 (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,134347.msg1788796.html#msg1788796)
Title: Re: Unit 11 Sheep hunter shoots 2 rams
Post by: boneaddict on October 20, 2014, 04:23:16 PM
Comparing an OIL sheep to "vermin".   I don't think so.
Title: Re: Unit 11 Sheep hunter shoots 2 rams
Post by: jrebel on October 20, 2014, 04:27:36 PM
Interesting how everybody is calling for this guys head, compared to the love this one got.  http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,134347.msg1788796.html#msg1788796 (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,134347.msg1788796.html#msg1788796)

Not sure anyone is calling for his head.....

Title: Re: Unit 11 Sheep hunter shoots 2 rams
Post by: Bango skank on October 20, 2014, 04:39:57 PM
Comparing an OIL sheep to "vermin".   I don't think so.

Haha not really, I'm just noting that a similar scenario with cougars and the guys a hero.  Personally I do think this dude should be held accountable, and i think we would be a lot better off if every arrow or bullet that passed through a cougar came out the other side and landed in another.
Title: Re: Unit 11 Sheep hunter shoots 2 rams
Post by: lokidog on October 20, 2014, 05:35:53 PM
My dad was down in Mexico a few years back hoping to get a 30" buck or one that scored really well.  He and his guide were out and saw a shooter, my dad fired, the guide said shoot again you missed, so he did.  Got down there and there were two bucks side by side in the bushes.  One met each of his criteria and, luckily, there he could just pay for a second tag.  He got a gorgeous double pedestal mount out of it and had to pay for one less hunt.   :chuckle:

I do believe a person should make sure of the target and what is beyond/behind it though.
Title: Re: Unit 11 Sheep hunter shoots 2 rams
Post by: huntnnw on October 20, 2014, 05:41:47 PM
Sorry this guy never deserved the tag! Mental midget from 2012 till now! How the hell do you just forget to see results of your sheep app? Then gets a rain check! For this year ! Sorry if you didn't care to check your results you don't need the tag jeep applying buddy
Title: Re: Unit 11 Sheep hunter shoots 2 rams
Post by: JODakota on October 20, 2014, 06:42:35 PM
I once glassed three rams that were less than 150 yards away.  Took me nearly an hour to decide if one was different than the other two.  After I shot they bumped into one another getting to heck and gone.  Luckily my shot was true and the ram I chose went down within view.  When the other two came out into the open again there was blood on each ram.  No chance of hitting either of them as I made sure each was clear before I took the shot.  But I could definitely see how someone who thought they had wounded one would have taken another shot.

Sounds like the hunter did the right thing and turned himself in.  He should receive some benefit of the doubt when it comes down to sentencing, I think.  Could definitely have been avoided.  But crap happens.  Doesn't mean you are a bad person.  Just did something stupid in the heat of the moment. 

Punishment?  Absolutely!  Thrown into the fire?  I want more details before I agree with that!

I agree with you radsav. The full story of what happened isn't even out. The guy made a mistake, turned himself in, and will be repaying his debt to society. I guess that's one benefit he gets of doing the right thing after the wrong thing. At least he had the stones to make the phone call, instead of walking off. :twocents:
Title: Re: Unit 11 Sheep hunter shoots 2 rams
Post by: blacktailer on October 20, 2014, 08:55:49 PM
Probably doesn't really matter, but I'd like to know if the second was was much bigger than the first.  I personally don't think he should be able to keep either of the rams, though will resere my judgement till all the details come out...
Title: Re: Unit 11 Sheep hunter shoots 2 rams
Post by: Stein on October 20, 2014, 09:07:29 PM
This isn't that much different than the guy who takes a shot and can't find the animal.  Maybe he hit it, maybe not, but then he shoots another one.  Some would do this and think nothing of it.

The guy did make a mistake and owned up to it.  It isn't too hard to do, take the shot and then all hell breaks loose.  Doing the right thing requires you to finish off the animal, so he should have shot twice - just at the same animal.

He could have easily bailed out and they never would have found it - or been able to trace it back to him.  It sounds very plausible that he did his best and then when he found out he screwed up he did the right thing and turned himself in.

It is easy to say never shoot unless you are 100% and never miss the double lung shot.  That doesn't reflect reality in every case.
Title: Re: Unit 11 Sheep hunter shoots 2 rams
Post by: coachcw on October 21, 2014, 01:11:12 PM
I know of an instance where a guy shot a deer through and through and hit a second deer in the hind quarter about sixty yards behind it. luckly there was a second hunter who finished it off and tagged it , crazy happens but the hunter is the one who needs to own up and take the penalty.
Title: Re: Unit 11 Sheep hunter shoots 2 rams
Post by: huntnnw on October 21, 2014, 09:20:30 PM
whats funny is people trying to compare it to a deer or a elk..this is a very limited resource! and for this to happen is inexcuseable! not only did this guy rob someone this year of possibly drawing a tag due to his lack of awareness in 2012 this will now take a tag away next year!  :bash:
Title: Re: Unit 11 Sheep hunter shoots 2 rams
Post by: super186 on October 21, 2014, 10:02:34 PM
Can someone tell me why he is being investigated by WDFW for shooting two rams in Idaho unit 11? I know its close to the border but isn't it Idaho that should be investigating?
Title: Re: Unit 11 Sheep hunter shoots 2 rams
Post by: huntnnw on October 21, 2014, 10:07:53 PM
where does it say WDFW? All I see is IDFG
Title: Re: Unit 11 Sheep hunter shoots 2 rams
Post by: super186 on October 21, 2014, 10:15:55 PM
Last sentence. Says he's being prosecuted by Washington for exceeding his bag limits?
Title: Re: Unit 11 Sheep hunter shoots 2 rams
Post by: huntnnw on October 21, 2014, 10:20:40 PM
Thats a refernece to a similar case in WA years ago
Title: Re: Unit 11 Sheep hunter shoots 2 rams
Post by: super186 on October 21, 2014, 10:46:56 PM
Your right. Next time I'll read more closely!
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