Post by: subagang707 on October 20, 2014, 08:01:24 AM
Get the rifle and camera and head back down to the river. As I approach the area I saw the "coyote" I slow and sneak a little closer with the camera at the ready.
Then reality slaps me in the face as I see not one, but three wolves that have a mule deer doe pinned in the middle of the river. Absolutely no doubt that they are wolves, size alone tells me no way in H E double hockey sticks that these are coyotes. I take a couple pictures that don't turn out for crap (I am not very good with the camera, that is my daughters job). I will post one later on today if you promise not to make fun of the crappy photo!!
I have no idea what to do as these wolves continue to lunge at the deer for a few minutes trying to get it closer to the bank of the river. I know what I want to do, but my morals, integrity, and honor interfere with my true desire to give these critters a dirt knap. I could yell at them :bdid:, or I could just shoot and scare them off. :dunno:
The doe is not having a good time and I finally decide that I have seen enough. I shoot a round into the river bank and all 3 wolves turn and look at me, they didn't run, walk off, or even really flinch, they just stopped and looked right through me. Great, now what do I do. I chamber and fire three more rounds into the river bank and that was enough to drive the wolves off. The poor little doe didn't know what to do and remained in the river. I walked up to the river and was no more than 10 feet from her and talked to her and told her she was okay now and she could go away, she was safe. I got back to our camp on an adrenaline high and told the story to the family.
I have reported the sighting on the WDFW website and maybe they will acknowledge more than 5 breeding pairs!! I doubt it though :bash: :bash:
Looking forward to getting back up there!!!
Post by: KFhunter on October 20, 2014, 08:26:46 AM
WDFW would not look kindly on you firing rounds anywhere near their precious wolves, and as you can guess Naches has probably already dialed the 800 number to rat you out.
In the end that doe isn't long for this world, in shock standing in the river. Even if she does climb out of the water and gets normalized the wolves are in her territory and it won't be long until they encounter her again, and all the other deer in that vicinity :bash:
I'd love to see your pics, not a lot of guys see what you seen.
Post by: PlateauNDN on October 20, 2014, 08:28:47 AM
Negligently shooting and harrassing wildlife. Wow.
Make sure to take pictures if you shoot one. Hunt-wa would love to see pictures
:yeah: I get your intentions but I'd leave the part of your story where you fired 4 rounds at the wolves. Just my 2 cents. Glad you called wdfw though with the info.
Post by: PlateauNDN on October 20, 2014, 08:30:37 AM
Post by: subagang707 on October 20, 2014, 08:34:37 AM
Negligently firing my rifle?? I know exactly where I was shooting!
Harrassing wildlife?? Hind site being 20/20, probably not a good choice. I wanted to save the doe...
I will gladly take pictures of any animal I shoot and post them on this site! But I will never shoot an animal illegally so no wolf pictures will be posted by me.
As I stated earlier, my morals, integrity, and honor prevent me from doing stupid stuff. I am a law abiding citizen and morals, integrity, and honor are all required when decisions are made!! I have been an active duty military member for 22 years and counting and I am not about to throw all of that away by breaking game laws, or any law for that matter.
Post by: subagang707 on October 20, 2014, 08:35:41 AM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on October 20, 2014, 08:37:06 AM
Now there will be a huge fight about them friggin' killing machines.......wolves !!
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on October 20, 2014, 08:40:36 AM
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on October 20, 2014, 08:44:25 AM
Some things shouldn't be shared on here because of the internet Nazi's.
Now there will be a huge fight about them friggin' killing machines.......wolves !!
:yeah:
And I read no where that he shot at the wolves, but only into the river bank to scare them off.
Post by: boneaddict on October 20, 2014, 08:50:25 AM
They have no intention of acknowledging them. It will be 5 more years before they gather enough data.
Post by: KFhunter on October 20, 2014, 08:52:13 AM
Where in my post did I say that I was eager to poach a wolf???
Negligently firing my rifle?? I know exactly where I was shooting!
Harrassing wildlife?? Hind site being 20/20, probably not a good choice. I wanted to save the doe...
I will gladly take pictures of any animal I shoot and post them on this site! But I will never shoot an animal illegally so no wolf pictures will be posted by me.
As I stated earlier, my morals, integrity, and honor prevent me from doing stupid stuff. I am a law abiding citizen and morals, integrity, and honor are all required when decisions are made!! I have been an active duty military member for 22 years and counting and I am not about to throw all of that away by breaking game laws, or any law for that matter.
I'm a law abiding citizen too with a lot to loose. That said I'm glad it wasn't me being tempted on that river bank. I'd feel like crap walking away and not doing anything save trying to get a crappy pic or two. It would be a hard thing to watch and even harder thing to not take any illegal action.
First round was for their benefit. 2nd third and 4th if needed would have been for my benefit. Glad you did what you did and I see no problem with your report.
They have no intention of acknowledging them. It will be 5 more years before they gather enough data.
I can't condemn the guy either and I think he showed a lot of restraint. Shame on WDFW for putting law abiding citizens in these positions as it's so much tougher to not shoot a wolf when you lack confidence in WDFW's managing of wolves. If WDFW was pro-active and aggressive in wolf documentation it'd be easier to walk away from a scene like this, but when you know your reporting the wolves lands on deaf ears........
Post by: predatorpro on October 20, 2014, 08:52:45 AM
Post by: Goldy79 on October 20, 2014, 09:18:06 AM
We ran into a doe carcass a couple of days after I filled my Elk tag, EA. Had it's throat ripped out and some of the guts exposed.... thought at the time that it was just a cougar but now that I think about it I the wounds appeared like they were stretched open, as if two animals were pulling it apart. No tracks. It was right next to a creek and we spent about an hour looking for any suspects... nada. I'm heading back over shortly and will keep my eyes peeled.
Any pics to share? Even crappy ones....
Post by: 92xj on October 20, 2014, 09:59:55 AM
Post by: h2ofowlr on October 20, 2014, 10:01:46 AM
Post by: wafisherman on October 20, 2014, 10:06:42 AM
Post by: Watimberghost on October 20, 2014, 10:07:25 AM
Post by: mulehunter on October 20, 2014, 10:12:16 AM
Post by: rtspring on October 20, 2014, 10:13:17 AM
To the OP, thank you for being honest. Alot here would not of just shot dirt..
You wolf lovers think hunting sucks now? Wait until these wolves take over like they did Idaho.
Post by: boneaddict on October 20, 2014, 10:24:54 AM
Post by: grundy53 on October 20, 2014, 10:28:04 AM
I read your account again. Really the only thing I have to lecture you about is that you spent 4 rounds presumably of 5 and you have 3 wolves that could want to eat your bacon. Other than that, I think you did good. Crud photo or not, I'd love for you to post:yeah:
Post by: bowhunterwa87 on October 20, 2014, 10:32:42 AM
The only mistake you made was not gut shootin all 3 then rollin....:yeah:
Post by: subagang707 on October 20, 2014, 10:36:28 AM
I normally have extra rounds with me, but didn't this time, won't happen again.
Post by: Elkrunner on October 20, 2014, 10:43:14 AM
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Post by: cooltimber on October 20, 2014, 11:12:44 AM
Post by: boneaddict on October 20, 2014, 11:20:00 AM
I know of someone who saw a breading pair with 3 pups in that unit last year. The female was grey with a collar and the male was black.
They were just passing thru obviously. (insert sarcasm emoticon here)
Post by: b23 on October 20, 2014, 12:20:51 PM
So, can one of the people that say wolves are good for the ecosystem please riddle me this; In the years to come when their numbers become much more substantial and they continue to only grow in population and the deer and elk numbers continue to dwindle at alarming rates, how then will the wolves be good for the ecosystem??? Remember, wolves never ever stop killing and the animals they kill have absolutely no defense against them. So how can a perfect killing machine that never stops, continually reproduces at a considerabally faster rate than anything they kill, be good for the ecosystem??? Please do tell!!!
And to the OP, kudos to you sir for having a moral conscience!! Even if it went against what, some, choose to call the natural balance of the ecosystem.
Post by: bullchaser on October 20, 2014, 12:36:34 PM
Nice guy but I don't like his kind of logic, unfortunately its going to get worse before it gets better.
Post by: bracer40 on October 20, 2014, 12:40:08 PM
So from reading your story, you are eager to poach a wolf. Doesnt seem right. Wolves are good for the ecosystems. Leave them alone
And from the Pullman wolf thread:
somebody forgot to shovel and shut up. what an idiot.
Interesting.
Post by: wafisherman on October 20, 2014, 12:47:43 PM
I think there is some merit to the whole 'balancing the ecosystem' mantra. Like in parts of Alaska, BC, and other very remote and wild places. But here in the mainland USA, that ship has sailed. Too many humans and nothing will change that. we can barely manage the deer and elk numbers and habitat as it is. Introducing more alpha predators who will kill for sport with no regard for, or concept of, 'balance' is just a pipe dream. Something will have to give. And deer and elk and farm animals, pets, coyotes, and anything else in the wolves path will wind up paying for it. All because of some false sense of 'balance' that may come. It is just an environmentalist wolf worshiping romantic pipe dream. Balance. Right....
Post by: sirmissalot on October 20, 2014, 12:49:27 PM
So from reading your story, you are eager to poach a wolf. Doesnt seem right. Wolves are good for the ecosystems. Leave them alone
And from the Pullman wolf thread:somebody forgot to shovel and shut up. what an idiot.
Interesting.
Nice catch!
Post by: h2ofowlr on October 20, 2014, 12:51:21 PM
I read your account again. Really the only thing I have to lecture you about is that you spent 4 rounds presumably of 5 and you have 3 wolves that could want to eat your bacon. Other than that, I think you did good. Crud photo or not, I'd love for you to post
Those things could have killed you. Your lucky you made it out alive. :chuckle: I hope you had a side arm to defend yourself.
Post by: cougarbart on October 20, 2014, 01:00:20 PM
Post by: subagang707 on October 20, 2014, 01:10:16 PM
And he is calling me a poacher and the other guy an idiot. Who is the idiot??
Post by: boneaddict on October 20, 2014, 01:14:15 PM
Post by: bracer40 on October 20, 2014, 01:26:26 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on October 20, 2014, 01:27:07 PM
We've been working on his personality for a couple years now. :chuckle: It is a work in progress. :chuckle:. More like a lost cause!
Post by: rtspring on October 20, 2014, 01:52:31 PM
We've been working on his personality for a couple years now. :chuckle: It is a work in progress. :chuckle:. More like a lost cause!
Best post I have seen in a long long time.
Post by: Raul Duke on October 20, 2014, 03:28:08 PM
Post by: boneaddict on October 20, 2014, 03:44:06 PM
Post by: gasman on October 20, 2014, 04:10:50 PM
I had a camera out for a few moths up on top of Pine Grass, and know of a few other cameras that are still up there, its only time before one of those cams get a pic of one of the wolfs.
Cant wait to see pic, good or bad :tup:
Im with you, on you doing the right thing, but to avoid the wolf lovers tearing in to you, just leave shooting or harassing part of the story out.
Im sure there a some on here that are probably sending the WDFW a link to this thread to try and get you in to trouble for admitting that you harassed the wolfs :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash:
Post by: ribka on October 20, 2014, 04:12:48 PM
:tup: :o
Post by: Slamadoo on October 20, 2014, 04:27:23 PM
Post by: trapper1 on October 20, 2014, 04:31:34 PM
Post by: yakimarcher on October 20, 2014, 04:38:42 PM
Post by: h2ofowlr on October 20, 2014, 04:51:59 PM
Great to see they have their own special defender in Yakima
:tup:
That picture looks like there is little to much heavy petting going on. :dunno:
Post by: Karl Blanchard on October 20, 2014, 04:59:39 PM
Pretty sure I heard a wolf in the Little Naches last weekend.When you hear a wolf there is no pretty sure about it, it will send chills down your spine and you will say out loud, "Holy S@#t! That was a wolf". :chuckle:
Post by: Bigshooter on October 20, 2014, 05:02:35 PM
Pretty sure I heard a wolf in the Little Naches last weekend.When you hear a wolf there is no pretty sure about it, it will send chills down your spine and you will say out loud, "Holy S@#t! That was a wolf". :chuckle:
:yeah:
Post by: mfswallace on October 20, 2014, 06:09:47 PM
So from reading your story, you are eager to poach a wolf. Doesnt seem right. Wolves are good for the ecosystems. Leave them alone
Hope your really not that ignorant but you do make sure everyone knows what a great saver of garbage you are and what slobs hunters are without knowing who really left the trash. Seems like you are batting for the other side so maybe not ignorant just an anti at heart :bash:
Post by: Pinetar on October 20, 2014, 06:51:13 PM
Thank you sir for your 22 years of service.
Naches Sportsman - You are clueless.
Post by: grousefether on October 20, 2014, 07:39:28 PM
So from reading your story, you are eager to poach a wolf. Doesnt seem right. Wolves are good for the ecosystems. Leave them alone
Hope your really not that ignorant but you do make sure everyone knows what a great saver of garbage you are and what slobs hunters are without knowing who really left the trash. Seems like you are batting for the other side so maybe not ignorant just an anti at heart :bash:
Just sounds like some granoly tryin to bait people into getting all fired up......good on you for savin that doe... even if it was just temporarily
Post by: ribka on October 20, 2014, 08:26:53 PM
Mind boggling a few supposed lovers of wildlife (sportsmen) celebrate the introduction of Canadian grey wolves
Into this area after what has happened in ID, MT WY and NE Washington
So from reading your story, you are eager to poach a wolf. Doesnt seem right. Wolves are good for the ecosystems. Leave them alone
Hope your really not that ignorant but you do make sure everyone knows what a great saver of garbage you are and what slobs hunters are without knowing who really left the trash. Seems like you are batting for the other side so maybe not ignorant just an anti at heart :bash:
Just sounds like some granoly tryin to bait people into getting all fired up......good on you for savin that doe... even if it was just temporarily
Post by: _TONY_ on October 20, 2014, 09:09:21 PM
Post by: tluns on October 20, 2014, 09:09:36 PM
Post by: b23 on October 20, 2014, 09:42:51 PM
Post by: Slamadoo on October 20, 2014, 09:52:01 PM
That's what happened. I only say that I am pretty sure it was a wolf because the sound that I heard didn't sound like any of the wolf howls you hear on tv or the internet. It was nothing I have ever heard before. Definitely a canine and not yippy like a coyote. The other evidence that points in the direction of a wolf is that the bull elk that had been bugling all night and morning directly above our camp shut up as soon as I heard this "wolf." He had literally had been bugling two minutes prior and as soon as I heard this noise that elk shut up. I never heard from him again.
I'm pretty sure it was a wolf.
Post by: gasman on October 21, 2014, 07:04:35 AM
Interesting that some are blaming the WDFW for wanting more wolves. When I spoke with them about my sighting they implied something different. Right now they have no jurisdiction concerning wolves as long as they are listed by the Feds. WDFW said they want all the reports they can get so they can document as many as possible. If they document enough, wolves can be de-listed in the state and WDFW can set up a tag system to hunt some. Maybe I got fed a line of BS, but I get the feeling WDFW would just as soon not deal with this any more than we do.
Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but I do believe I read some where that the wolf's are de-listed by the Feds and are listed as Endangered by WA state.
Post by: boneaddict on October 21, 2014, 07:06:45 AM
Post by: gasman on October 21, 2014, 07:13:08 AM
I believe that is correct Gasman. Its in the states hands, at least in Eastern Washington. Might be different on the Westside.
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Post by: PlateauNDN on October 21, 2014, 07:19:50 AM
Post by: jackelope on October 22, 2014, 05:30:13 PM
I watched three wolves in the blues chase my Bull and his cows from last year for five full minutes. when I talked to the Game warden about it he told that they where just passing through. He said if there was a pack living in the era he would be hearing more reports, so obviously they where just moving through.
Nice guy but I don't like his kind of logic, unfortunately its going to get worse before it gets better.
Fortunately, the biologist knows what's up and it's not the game warden who makes those sorts of management decisions.
Post by: huntnphool on October 22, 2014, 05:43:00 PM
but there needs to be a population built up in the east slopes central cascades before having a oil lottery system established.
I'd prefer he killed all three of them and we never have enough to establish a oil lottery system. :twocents:
Post by: actionshooter on October 22, 2014, 06:19:15 PM
Post by: huntandjeep on October 22, 2014, 06:32:28 PM
Post by: tluns on October 22, 2014, 10:09:15 PM
Wolves are still federally protected in 2/3 of wa st. The state has jurisdiction over the far eastern 1/3 of the state (n.e.)
I was incorrect. The state does have jurisdiction over the eastern 1/3 of the state. However they are between a bit of a rock and a hard place. If they don't continue to manage for recovery the feds will step in and take it back over. Not easy to appease the hunters, ranchers, and feds at the same time (not to mention the unknowing in King county....) I do believe them however when they say the more confirmed documentation the sooner they can take some action.
Post by: westside Elkhunter on November 05, 2014, 07:45:37 PM
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Post by: subagang707 on November 06, 2014, 09:15:31 AM
It would be sweet if one of you guys knew how to capture them and train them to eat the liberals in Washington state :twocents:. That is a good use for them, but I have a feeling liberals don't taste good.
NACHES SPORTSMAN, you crack me up!!
Post by: subagang707 on November 06, 2014, 09:20:31 AM
Post by: mfswallace on November 06, 2014, 09:24:33 AM
While I was back in Rimrock during elk season I was sitting in camp butchering my elk when the WDFW called (Scott Becker) and wanted to discuss my wolf sighting. I talked to him for about 15 or 20 minutes and he convinced me to send the crappy picture in to him. So when I returned home from camp this last Monday I sent him the picture and got a reply email on Tuesday confirming that it was a wolf I took a picture of. I will post the picture on here as long as you all promise to not make fun :chuckle: of the perfectly focused twig and blurry wolf!! And Naches has to promise to never comment on any wolf thread again or any thread...:chuckle:
Picture :drool:
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