Post by: tikkahunter on October 28, 2014, 08:30:00 AM
Post by: blackdog on October 28, 2014, 06:51:44 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on October 29, 2014, 07:49:04 AM
Post by: h2ofowlr on October 29, 2014, 08:04:39 AM
Post by: Fl0und3rz on October 29, 2014, 10:41:32 AM
it is an unfortunate event that won't be changed by I-594. It will just pose the threat of making more people even more naïve of firearms.
And that is the bottom line. I-594 is purely an attack on culture, a culture that uses and regards firearms as tools to be revered and respected. As some here righteously point out, they are winning the culture war.
Post by: silverdalesauer on October 29, 2014, 03:41:13 PM
https://www.facebook.com/YesOn591?fref=nf (https://www.facebook.com/YesOn591?fref=nf)
Post by: tikkahunter on October 29, 2014, 03:48:01 PM
Post by: HunterStrait on October 29, 2014, 08:30:36 PM
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Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on October 29, 2014, 08:52:39 PM
Post by: Hi-Liter on October 29, 2014, 09:05:56 PM
Post by: ouchfoss on October 30, 2014, 12:14:18 PM
Post by: Fl0und3rz on October 30, 2014, 12:17:18 PM
Post by: splitshot on October 30, 2014, 12:21:59 PM
Post by: ouchfoss on October 30, 2014, 12:23:29 PM
Lawsuit, injunction, court decision, appeal, Supreme Court decision (and maybe more). So a bunch of money and wasted time and effort. Meanwhile DV'rs will keep DV'ing, and felons will keep on obtaining weapons illegally. Yeah!So there is no way to put up another voter initiative that would repeal 594 it once it passes?
I would think that if it were to pass, maybe a year or two down the line once people realize how stupid it is, the majority would be educated enough to not want it anymore.
Post by: ouchfoss on October 30, 2014, 12:25:21 PM
Post by: Curly on October 30, 2014, 12:31:25 PM
Post by: fishinmike on October 30, 2014, 12:35:04 PM
I believe King, Pierce, and Snohomish counties will decide this vote. Westsiders please get No on I-594 word out!These counties decide most votes, that is why this state is so screwed up for outdoor orientated people. Most of the people in these counties have never left the I-5 corridor and have no clue about anything they don't see on the news.
Post by: Fl0und3rz on October 30, 2014, 12:45:36 PM
So there is no way to put up another voter initiative that would repeal 594 it once it passes?
While possible, improbable, IMO. You cannot reason a populace out of a position that they, themselves, were not reasoned into. We were outspent. We'll see if a modicum of sanity can overcome such a flurry of misinformation next week.
I could see the Sherriffs and other LE refuse to enforce it, a la CO magazine restrictions. But is a law that is selectively enforced (IRS) any better than one that is rigorously enforced? People need to feel the pain of their indiscretions, in order for the law to change.
What I-594 supporters will have done is to define your lawful behavior as and indiscretion and make you subject you the subject of any pain. Supporters will never see that pain, because they don't realize what they are voting to give up, and thus, they will have no incentive to vote for a repeal.
Post by: pianoman9701 on October 30, 2014, 01:31:31 PM
Check out the Yes-591 Facebook page and the information about Nick Hanauer's recent quote after the Marysville-Pilchuck shooting. Get the word out.
https://www.facebook.com/YesOn591?fref=nf (https://www.facebook.com/YesOn591?fref=nf)
I wrote to Hanauer today and got a response back. Apparently, he's a mathematical genius when it comes to removing our rights. Mods, I considered censoring his comments and then didn't. I thought it important to post the kind of man we're dealing with here.:
"I apologize. I was overly emotional and in the moment. However.
The difference between that kid in marysville and the same messed up kid
in canada is that in canada, he¹d have gone to school and punched another
kid. And we would never have heard about it. But here in WA, he grabbed
a .40 cal and killed a bunch of people. Is that because our kids are
worse than canadian kids?? No. Kids are screwed up everywhere. And
kids, especially boys, have horrible judgement. Maybe you are a mother or
father and have raised some and can testify to this.
The goal of gun policy is to minimize the chances somewhat that people
turn anger into lethality. We are not a more violent country than any
other. We are more lethal- because of guns.
So a law that make it harder for bad people to buy guns will absolutely
positively save lives. And there is incontrovertible data to show
that-Even if you can imagine a corner case where it might not have helped.
I feely admit that I am an *censored*. Ask my wife. Ask anyone. But I am
very good at math. And 594 will save lives."
Post by: Fl0und3rz on October 30, 2014, 02:03:12 PM
Post by: huntnphool on October 30, 2014, 02:09:52 PM
Post by: Bob33 on October 30, 2014, 02:10:36 PM
The list is endless, but all come with a loss of freedom.
Post by: Fl0und3rz on October 30, 2014, 02:21:38 PM
Post by: Hi-Liter on October 30, 2014, 02:34:27 PM
Passage of 594 may save some lives. Lots of things would save lives: banning swimming pools, bikes, and skis for starters. Ban the plastic shrink wrap that everything comes in now - it's possible to cut an artery doing so. Fast food - gone.
The list is endless, but all come with a loss of freedom.
How do you figure 594 will save lives?
Post by: rim_runner on October 30, 2014, 03:04:41 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on October 30, 2014, 03:15:21 PM
Post by: Bob33 on October 30, 2014, 03:21:32 PM
I said "may", but I suspect that some individuals will be denied firearms who should be.Passage of 594 may save some lives. Lots of things would save lives: banning swimming pools, bikes, and skis for starters. Ban the plastic shrink wrap that everything comes in now - it's possible to cut an artery doing so. Fast food - gone.
The list is endless, but all come with a loss of freedom.
How do you figure 594 will save lives?
Post by: Hi-Liter on October 30, 2014, 03:28:42 PM
I said "may", but I suspect that some individuals will be denied firearms who should be.Passage of 594 may save some lives. Lots of things would save lives: banning swimming pools, bikes, and skis for starters. Ban the plastic shrink wrap that everything comes in now - it's possible to cut an artery doing so. Fast food - gone.
The list is endless, but all come with a loss of freedom.
How do you figure 594 will save lives?
I know what you said "may", don't get all boiled on it. But, in some of your other threads you are admitting to defeat in this initiative 594. I don't like it when people are ready to throw the towel in when the voting hasn't even been counted. No 594 Yes 591
Post by: huntnphool on October 30, 2014, 04:30:32 PM
Quote from: Hi-Literlink=topic=163518.msg2157829#msg2157829 date=1414707321
I don't like it when people are ready to throw the towel in when the voting hasn't even been counted. No 594 Yes 591
A recent poll showed that even 54% of those on the east side approve of 594.
Post by: B Mo on October 30, 2014, 06:02:15 PM
Post by: rim_runner on October 30, 2014, 06:05:48 PM
it was a telephone poll of 600 people. I wouldn't give up hope yet. Only 20% of the ballots have been mailed in so far and there are over 2 million gun owners in Washington state. The more people you can get to read the entire text of I-594 the more that will see it for what it is and vote no. http://sos.wa.gov/_assets/elections/initiatives/FinalText_483.pdf (http://sos.wa.gov/_assets/elections/initiatives/FinalText_483.pdf)Quote from: Hi-Literlink=topic=163518.msg2157829#msg2157829 date=1414707321I don't like it when people are ready to throw the towel in when the voting hasn't even been counted. No 594 Yes 591
A recent poll showed that even 54% of those on the east side approve of 594.
Post by: Kazekurt on November 01, 2014, 09:44:06 AM
My daughter was a first time Hunter this year, and I do not own a legal deer caliber in Washington smaller than .270 so I borrowed a 243 from a close friend. That would now be illegal without getting an FFL involved aswell. Ridiculous!
Post by: Fl0und3rz on November 01, 2014, 10:02:46 PM
Post by: Bob33 on November 01, 2014, 10:37:45 PM
Some buddies and I were talking about some things that would even have to change in the Washington Department of Fish and wildlife Hunter Ed program. We have all seen the video where the hunters are about to cross the fence in the forest and one Hunter hands his rifle to the other so that he could safely cross. Clearly, those Hunters should have called an FFL and made him come all the way out there to conduct a background check before that firearm was "transferred"Your first example would be exempt from a background check. Your second most likely would not.
My daughter was a first time Hunter this year, and I do not own a legal deer caliber in Washington smaller than .270 so I borrowed a 243 from a close friend. That would now be illegal without getting an FFL involved aswell. Ridiculous!
Post by: Hi-Liter on November 02, 2014, 02:48:42 PM
Post by: addicted2hunting on November 02, 2014, 04:54:23 PM
Post by: fishinmike on November 02, 2014, 05:16:55 PM
I was at my daughters house for the game, started talking about 594. My son-in laws brother says, we, him and his wife, voted yes, because we believe in the background checks. Now mind you, he owns 2 guns and shoots fairly often, but has no clue what is in these initiatives. So here is a perfect example of someone who only believes what they see on tv and now that is 2 more votes against us. People need to wake up and realize what the real world is, and stop being sheep. Why can't these people not think for themselves? Once I explained the repercussions of what he just voted for, he was very confused because that is not what tv told him. :bash:
Post by: Stein on November 02, 2014, 09:04:22 PM
My daughter was a first time Hunter this year, and I do not own a legal deer caliber in Washington smaller than .270 so I borrowed a 243 from a close friend. That would now be illegal without getting an FFL involved aswell. Ridiculous!
Actually, the FFL would be involved twice. Once when he transferred it to your daughter (assuming she is 18) and then another FFL background check to give it back to him when you were done.
If she is under 18, he would transfer it to you via a background check, you would allow her to hunt with it (in your immediate control only) and then another check to give it back to your buddy.
That isn't a burden apparently, but asking to see a driver's license at the poll is too much to ask. I still hold that way, way more damage is done at the polling booth than is ever done with a rifle.
Post by: Mrninninnin on November 09, 2014, 08:44:16 AM
TO: All media organizations and groups.
FROM: Gavin Seim, lead organizer of the “I WILL NOT Comply Rally”.
Initiative 594 just passed in Washington State, bringing on residents mandatory gun background checks and making it a felony to privately purchase or even hand a gun to a friend without government permission. We the people of Washington State will not comply with this lawless legislation. The highest law is that of liberty and our Constitution. Our rights will be upheld.
On Dec 13th 2014, just after the law is legally in effect, we stand and disobey the illegal restrictions of i594. We must not wait for our rights to be decided but act swiftly to affirm them. In under 72 hours over 5000 have RSVP’d to this stand on Capital grounds in Olympia and assert their God given rights.
Learn more about this peaceful civil rebellion here: http://callmegav.com/ral/ (http://callmegav.com/ral/)
View the event page here: https://www.facebook.com/events/788109621237033 (https://www.facebook.com/events/788109621237033)
Joining in the event will be speakers, patriots and families from across the State to remind our legislators that lawless legislation will not be obeyed and to teach others about their rights.
Will you bow down and lick the boots of tyrants, or will you stand for the liberty of your children? We are not asking permission, we are not standing silent. Our birthright is not theirs to take. We stand peaceful, principled, firm and resolute for the liberty so many have perished for. We stand to uphold law and we will not comply with lawlessness from government.
We Stand! Stand with us.
In Liberty – Gavin Seim.
gavinforliberty@gmail.com