Hunting Washington Forum
Big Game Hunting => Bow Hunting => Topic started by: Rock7 on November 02, 2014, 03:13:25 PM
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I am watching a show that the PRO has to get help drawing her bow. The camera man holds the stabilizer and pushes her draw arm back. W-T-H is that? To much draw weight possibly? :bash:
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Weird. Sounds risky too :dunno:
She needs to hit the weights a little bit.
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What is the name of the show?
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TV hunting porn is a blight on archery hunting.
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I used to love watching "The Buck Masters" with Jackie Bushman back in the 80's and 90's, but not so much anymore. Back then you could actually get some good tips and learn something about hunting. Some of the characters such as Bubba (Jim Varney) and Shotgun Red were really entertaining as well. Now it's like they sit and talk with one of those other "pros" for half the show and then see a 90 second clip of the kill. However; I do like what they do for disabled veterans and disabled children.
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If that "Pro" can't draw her own bow, then she probably shouldn't be shooting it. Crazy!
Sometimes I just shake my head when I see stuff like that.:dunno: I usually just watch them shows when I can't hunt or in the off-season.
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If they need a guide why are they called pro's? If I could afford a $10,000 guided hunt and filmed it, does that make me a pro? :-)
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Hunting show= entitled. Silver spoon in their mouths
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I like the ones where they bring some guy along who is a big wig of some hunting magazine or some other sort and show him shooting a bow for the first time ever right before they go out for the hunt then they miss or make a bad shot. Its like wtf do you expect. That just really gets me. IMO thats entirely unethical and unfair to the game.
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If they need a guide why are they called pro's? If I could afford a $10,000 guided hunt and filmed it, does that make me a pro? :-)
:yeah:
That's why I like the DIY folks, gives me some hope on my limited budget.
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In this context, Pro is just a term to give the show some authenticity. Or put another way, it's like buying something on TV that comes with a "Certificate of Authenticity". Somehow that is supposed to make it more valuable. Like the "Pro" advise you get from these dumb hunting shows.
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College ball players are pro's the moment they get that signing check. Doesn't make them an expert at anything. Pretty much the same thing on TV. To assume someone must be God's gift to hunting or shooting to make a living on a hunting TV show doesn't really add up. How many crappy pro quarterbacks have you seen in Seahawks uniforms over the years? And don't forget we have a president in the Whitehouse that isn't qualified to manage a McDonalds. :chuckle: If you look good, talk good, or raise enough money...sometimes that's enough!
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:chuckle:
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Y'all are a bunch of haters. It takes real skill to kill a 380" bull at peak rut on a 20,000 acre ranch with nobody else on it except for guides :twocents:
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College ball players are pro's the moment they get that signing check. Doesn't make them an expert at anything. Pretty much the same thing on TV. To assume someone must be God's gift to hunting or shooting to make a living on a hunting TV show doesn't really add up. How many crappy pro quarterbacks have you seen in Seahawks uniforms over the years? And don't forget we have a president in the Whitehouse that isn't qualified to manage a McDonalds. :chuckle: If you look good, talk good, or raise enough money...sometimes that's enough!
I'm with you except for your slam on college basketball players! A D1 basketball player has tens of thousands of hours perfecting their skill and if you ever tried to match up with one you would understand just how good the pros are. And I would say many of them who never go pro are experts, they actually know more about basketball than the ones who do go pro, they just don't have the height or the physical ability. That's why so many great coaches are former college players who never went pro.
Just a personal pet peeve! I hate it when I hear armchair jocks claim they could do better than what they see on TV. The other day my 70 yr old father in law who is 100 lbs overweight claimed he could throw a football better than a qb on tv that made a bad throw. When I tried to explain he wouldn't even be able to take a snap from center he wasn't happy with me.
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Just because they are on TV doesn't' necessarily mean they are a pro. It doesn't take much to get a show and hunt behind a high fence.
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Just because they are on TV doesn't' necessarily mean they are a pro. It doesn't take much to get a show and hunt behind a high fence.
I don't think there are many hunts other than exotic hunts that are high-fenced.
Premium private land is one thing but an actual 10' fence holding in bred and raised animals is another
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I don't have a tv. :tup:
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I don't have a tv. :tup:
:chuckle: neither do I.
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My girlfriend made it on a hunting show when she was 14. She's a lot more of a pro now than she was then!
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I am watching a show that the PRO has to get help drawing her bow. The camera man holds the stabilizer and pushes her draw arm back. W-T-H is that? To much draw weight possibly? :bash:
I saw this episode the other day, and you are right - it looked really stupid.
I don't remember which show, but they were in a blind and she was crouched which might account for why she needed help.
Still, I would have edited it just out of embarrassment.
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I love watching hunting shows as much as the next guy but they are really not a true representation of what a normal public land hunt is, ANYBODY can hunt private land and score on undisturbed animals that are just going about thier business as they have all year long because they haven't been pushed. Esp when they are being fed by deer feeders or hanging out over a food plot, not much skill is needed to harvest a animal beyond sighting your bow or rifle in at the beginning of the season. The hunters who I respect the most are the guys like myself that bust their ass in the hills on public land and tend to score year after year on animals that have been pushed, shot at, disrupted in their daily routines, and require strategy and lots of skill to be able to get a chance to harvest them. I've passed ranches in Montana where hunting shows like to film and there 50-100 deer are hanging out every morning and dusk in the same fields, to me this is not much of a challenge, hunting in fields like that where you can choose between 50-100 deer that are just feeding in a field and calling yourself a "Expert" hunter really doesn't ring true to me......But thats just me :dunno:
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Just because they are on TV doesn't' necessarily mean they are a pro. It doesn't take much to get a show and hunt behind a high fence.
I don't think there are many hunts other than exotic hunts that are high-fenced.
Premium private land is one thing but an actual 10' fence holding in bred and raised animals is another
watched a show last year I think with Tred Barta on Elk... Was a very interesting place, fenced in ELk ranch and for his situation acceptable IMO. After his life changing medical emergency, he still does as much as he is physically capable of, even shooting his bow to try and stay strong enough to hunt with it. He was very clear with his opinion on the hunt, even almost apologizing for the hunt to the viewers but shooting a bull with his re curve bow was a long time vision to fulfill. IMO, his situation makes fenced in hunts acceptable for ONLY those who really cant.
Premium private land is still mostly a pay to play situation and mostly only available to a select few who can afford thousands of dollars to gain access (look at western extreme and there advertising for Tuchodi River Outfitters in BC. That hunt is a 20+K hunt for us (I researched a couple years back) Private mountains, very limited hunters, backcountry with a 5X minimum. Of course when there are thousands of animals and tens of hunters, success is almost certain advertising over a 95% success rate. But, this is not quite shooting fish in a barrel, merely game behind every tree... Some of these "Pros" get invited to these "premium" places as the owners see the value in advertising. Most of these situations include driving to a permanent blind, over a daily fed herd of whatever on a private ranch, which can make anyone look "professional"...Absolutely NOT what most of us experience in the field.... Oh and a "pro" just means they get paid for this, not that they have a damn clue what they are doing.....Boom shaka laka T bone....
I think if I had to choose a show that is not like what I have discussed above I would say Solo Hunters seems as close to what I see as "our" actual situations....
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The ONLY thing I get out of hunting shows is what I can gather of shot placement and how it affects the animal after it is hit. Post production editing usually tries to hide poor hits in a variety of ways so I spend time reviewing the cues I see and reading between the lines. The only hunting shows I actually enjoy are the ones where they are clearly on a DIY hunt on public land which is how I hunt.
I used to watch a couple of shows regularly that became nothing more than a "look at me" soap opera, you know, because they had to put out a show but had no kills so they simply blathered on while traveling to other states and joked abound. Good lord, what a waste of time. I fast forward through the majority of hunting shows I watch and usually only pay attention to about 5 minutes of footage.
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I don't watch too many of them but I've noticed over the years that many of them have concentratedt their efforts on celebrity guests rather than true hunting. Most are not worth my time any more. Way too many commercials and fake footage as they aproach their animal while being filmed from the other side of the animal and then they act suprized.
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I miss Tred Barta! That guy was like a likable Ted Nugent that wasn't hunting on a farm, and a Randy Newberg with more passion (or insanity).
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I like Randy Newburg's show. (spelling??)
He only hunts public land out West, doesn't apologize for shooting nice legal animals, does a lot of good research and sort of shares how, and he's willing to pack stuff way out.
* I absolutely HATE when some of these jokers apologize for not shooting a monster...... It happens way too much. If you're embarrassed to shoot that 160 "mgmt buck" off the private feedlot in Texas (because you know that have 170 bucks that come to the corn most days) then just don't shoot it.
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I miss Tred Barta! That guy was like a likable Ted Nugent that wasn't hunting on a farm, and a Randy Newberg with more passion (or insanity).
:yeah: Barta was the man ..funny as can be and a fishing and hunting machine ..Loved watching his shows !
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whoa.!.!.! are you trying to tell me that tv "hunting" shows may not be all that they are cracked up to be ? sorry to burst your bubble but i dont think Santa Claus is real either.......really ?
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i dont think Santa Claus is real either.......really ?
You are right. Santa is nothing more than a marketing tool to get non-Christians to buy gifts and stimulate the world economy! The Easter Bunny...now that's a different story!!
Pretty dang hard to make 6, 8 or 10 TV shows a year without using a guide or a fenced hunt or two. These shows are suppose to be entertaining. How many entertaining TV shows do folks think they could make in a year going DIY public land in the West?
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This is super cool and many of you may not know this...if you never turn them on and do not watch them they all go away. I mean who knew :dunno: :dunno: it is that simple to make bad tv not exist.
Wait i think Iceman has been trying to tell ya all that for years :chuckle:
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This is super cool and many of you may not know this...if you never turn them on and do not watch them they all go away. I mean who knew :dunno: :dunno: it is that simple to make bad tv not exist.
Better yet, I have basic cable! Couldn't watch these shows if I wanted to. My cable bill in under $14 a month and I think the Roku box is another $8! I can watch the news and all the Magnum P.I., Chuck and Eureka re-runs I want for less than $25 a month :whoo:
I have a few friends who ask me for money every month. They are usually the same guys that text me 20 times an hour from their I-Phones during Monday night football. :chuckle:
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And don't forget we have a president in the Whitehouse that isn't qualified to manage a McDonalds. :chuckle: If you look good, talk good, or raise enough money...sometimes that's enough!
Bet he'd love to be in Ferguson ransacking a liquor store with Al Pinhead!
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I would love to take a few of the Pro's on a blacktail Hunt and turn them loose and see what they come up with :chuckle:
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I would love to take a few of the Pro's on a blacktail Hunt and turn them loose and see what they come up with :chuckle:
A spike...maybe.
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There are several rich folks on television that are very average hunters in my opinion. One such show is The Chase with Leigh and Travis. Leigh had really never hunted before and her husban appears to be very wealthy and can afford the guided hunts and to pay cameramen.
Pretty much any bowhunter with some basic skill and knowledge couple with money could be in instant Pro Hunter. There really is not a whole lot more to it.
I have a couple of friends that are Professional hunters and they are not any better than a lot of other guys, they simply get more opportunity.
Just my :twocents:
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................it's not what we're looking for.
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I'm sick of all the"yea baby, that's what I'm talkin' about. And most of these "pro's" have their own little gimmicks they have to do after they shoot something. Like can't catch their breath, or "give me a minute", or they shake or just scream and yell like banshee's . GIVE ME A BREAK!!!
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I would love to take a few of the Pro's on a blacktail Hunt and turn them loose and see what they come up with :chuckle:
Broken ankle, lost, comes to mind first off.
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I would love to take a few of the Pro's on a blacktail Hunt and turn them loose and see what they come up with :chuckle:
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Broken ankle, lost, comes to mind first off.
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3 things wrong.
1) Most African hunts show their hunters carrying their guns over their shoulders loaded and pointed at everyone in front of them. Just watched one yesterday. The arrogant hunter worked the bolt on his gun, chambering a round, then threw it over his shoulder, pointing it at his PH on an Asiatic buffalo hunt.
2) They are indirectly or unknowingly driving up the cost of hunting for all of us.
3)Too many of them are simply entertaining themselves and using us to pay for it. They laugh at themselves and their own jokes even when it's not funny.
These things drive me nuts but I also hate it when they re-show the same footage twice or more just to drag out the show.
I also like it when they say, "Yeah, we've put in a lot of miles today..........." and they've been glassing from a PU truck all day.
I'm envious. I wish I could afford hunts like that.
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I would love to take a few of the Pro's on a blacktail Hunt and turn them loose and see what they come up with :chuckle:
:yeah:
I guarantee that those Realtree folk couldn't pull it off. There is no way Lee and Tiffany could. Hell. I doubt that Tiff has ever killed a buck that was not either in a food plot, bait station, on farm or in front of half dozen guides.
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3 things wrong.
1) Most African hunts show their hunters carrying their guns over their shoulders loaded and pointed at everyone in front of them. Just watched one yesterday. The arrogant hunter worked the bolt on his gun, chambering a round, then threw it over his shoulder, pointing it at his PH on an Asiatic buffalo hunt.
2) They are indirectly or unknowingly driving up the cost of hunting for all of us.
3)Too many of them are simply entertaining themselves and using us to pay for it. They laugh at themselves and their own jokes even when it's not funny.
These things drive me nuts but I also hate it when then re-show the same footage twice or more just to drag out the show.
I also like it when they say, "Yeah, we've put in a lot of miles today..........." and they've been glassing from a PU truck all day.
I'm envious. I wish I could afford hunts like that.
:yeah:
Even the so called "local" shows. I feel that Titan is legit though and that's about it..
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I don't have TV but every now and then I am at a friends house and get to catch some shows. Solo Hunter is pretty awesome, Remi Warren is a BOSS! Jim Shockey makes the best t.v. out there and has been on the most brutal hunts on planet earth. Randy Newberg is a genuinely outstanding human and a dang hard hunter. He puts in the time and effort and does it just like any of us would. Ryan Hatfield and Nate Simmons on Western Hunter lay down some great animals and some amazing footage. Lee and Tiffany may not fair well in the blacktail woods but the time and effort they put into their whitetail hunting trumps the effort that probably 98% of us put into our species of choice. Comparing Midwest whitetails to hunting out west where we have literally millions of acres at our disposal is an unfair comparison. There is definitely some tools out there though! :twocents:
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I don't watch any hunting on television anymore.
YouTube is where its at.
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3 things wrong.
1) Most African hunts show their hunters carrying their guns over their shoulders loaded and pointed at everyone in front of them. Just watched one yesterday. The arrogant hunter worked the bolt on his gun, chambering a round, then threw it over his shoulder, pointing it at his PH on an Asiatic buffalo hunt.
2) They are indirectly or unknowingly driving up the cost of hunting for all of us.
3)Too many of them are simply entertaining themselves and using us to pay for it. They laugh at themselves and their own jokes even when it's not funny.
These things drive me nuts but I also hate it when then re-show the same footage twice or more just to drag out the show.
I also like it when they say, "Yeah, we've put in a lot of miles today..........." and they've been glassing from a PU truck all day.
I'm envious. I wish I could afford hunts like that.
:yeah:
Even the so called "local" shows. I feel that Titan is legit though and that's about it..
:yeah:
I know Chris, met several people that have hunts on his videos and heard the stories... Completely 100% legit.
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3 things wrong.
1) Most African hunts show their hunters carrying their guns over their shoulders loaded and pointed at everyone in front of them. Just watched one yesterday. The arrogant hunter worked the bolt on his gun, chambering a round, then threw it over his shoulder, pointing it at his PH on an Asiatic buffalo hunt.
2) They are indirectly or unknowingly driving up the cost of hunting for all of us.
3)Too many of them are simply entertaining themselves and using us to pay for it. They laugh at themselves and their own jokes even when it's not funny.
These things drive me nuts but I also hate it when then re-show the same footage twice or more just to drag out the show.
I also like it when they say, "Yeah, we've put in a lot of miles today..........." and they've been glassing from a PU truck all day.
I'm envious. I wish I could afford hunts like that.
:yeah:
Even the so called "local" shows. I feel that Titan is legit though and that's about it..
:yeah:
I know Chris, met several people that have hunts on his videos and heard the stories... Completely 100% legit.
Completely 100% Legit................... What does that mean exactly? That they didn't poach? Most hunting shows are probably legit but that isn't what we're talking about. Pointing your rifle at your PH while carrying it over your shoulder is legit but is definitely dangerously ignorant also.
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I don't watch any hunting on television anymore.
YouTube is where its at.
True story. Shorter commercial breaks too. There is a reason YouTube is the second largest site in the world (owned by the largest site) :chuckle:
There are Primos episodes for days on YouTube. Will Primos is one of the few hosts that doesn't make me foam at the mouth :tup: and their camera work is usually better than average.
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I have a new pet peeve with tv "hunters". Talking to the camera with a big, sloppy dip in their lip! I watched a few minutes of a show on dall sheep this morning and the host sounded like he has had a stroke with a big fatty dip in his lower lip. It made him look very unprofessional. If you are going to "chew", fine, just don't do it while talking on camera. :dunno:
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3 things wrong.
1) Most African hunts show their hunters carrying their guns over their shoulders loaded and pointed at everyone in front of them. Just watched one yesterday. The arrogant hunter worked the bolt on his gun, chambering a round, then threw it over his shoulder, pointing it at his PH on an Asiatic buffalo hunt.
2) They are indirectly or unknowingly driving up the cost of hunting for all of us.
3)Too many of them are simply entertaining themselves and using us to pay for it. They laugh at themselves and their own jokes even when it's not funny.
yup.. you guys should be seeing some of our stuff in the next few years with them.. mostly unguided but we are doing a idaho bear hunt this year.
These things drive me nuts but I also hate it when then re-show the same footage twice or more just to drag out the show.
I also like it when they say, "Yeah, we've put in a lot of miles today..........." and they've been glassing from a PU truck all day.
I'm envious. I wish I could afford hunts like that.
:yeah:
Even the so called "local" shows. I feel that Titan is legit though and that's about it..
:yeah:
I know Chris, met several people that have hunts on his videos and heard the stories... Completely 100% legit.
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3 things wrong.
1) Most African hunts show their hunters carrying their guns over their shoulders loaded and pointed at everyone in front of them. Just watched one yesterday. The arrogant hunter worked the bolt on his gun, chambering a round, then threw it over his shoulder, pointing it at his PH on an Asiatic buffalo hunt.
2) They are indirectly or unknowingly driving up the cost of hunting for all of us.
3)Too many of them are simply entertaining themselves and using us to pay for it. They laugh at themselves and their own jokes even when it's not funny.
These things drive me nuts but I also hate it when then re-show the same footage twice or more just to drag out the show.
I also like it when they say, "Yeah, we've put in a lot of miles today..........." and they've been glassing from a PU truck all day.
I'm envious. I wish I could afford hunts like that.
:yeah:
Even the so called "local" shows. I feel that Titan is legit though and that's about it..
:yeah:
I know Chris, met several people that have hunts on his videos and heard the stories... Completely 100% legit.
chris is a cool cat, hopefully some of our footage from this year will be on a upcoming dvd. mostly unguided but we are doing a guided hunt in idaho for bear this spring.
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My girlfriend made it on a hunting show when she was 14. She's a lot more of a pro now than she was then!
How old is she now ? Just checkin'.... :chuckle:
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My girlfriend made it on a hunting show when she was 14. She's a lot more of a pro now than she was then!
How old is she now ? Just checkin'.... :chuckle:
:chuckle: I mean it's a fair question. I doubt this was last year :chuckle: