Post by: Mrninninnin on November 09, 2014, 08:38:47 AM
TO: All media organizations and groups.
FROM: Gavin Seim, lead organizer of the “I WILL NOT Comply Rally”.
Initiative 594 just passed in Washington State, bringing on residents mandatory gun background checks and making it a felony to privately purchase or even hand a gun to a friend without government permission. We the people of Washington State will not comply with this lawless legislation. The highest law is that of liberty and our Constitution. Our rights will be upheld.
On Dec 13th 2014, just after the law is legally in effect, we stand and disobey the illegal restrictions of i594. We must not wait for our rights to be decided but act swiftly to affirm them. In under 72 hours over 5000 have RSVP’d to this stand on Capital grounds in Olympia and assert their God given rights.
Learn more about this peaceful civil rebellion here: http://callmegav.com/ral/ (http://callmegav.com/ral/)
View the event page here: https://www.facebook.com/events/788109621237033 (https://www.facebook.com/events/788109621237033)
Joining in the event will be speakers, patriots and families from across the State to remind our legislators that lawless legislation will not be obeyed and to teach others about their rights.
Will you bow down and lick the boots of tyrants, or will you stand for the liberty of your children? We are not asking permission, we are not standing silent. Our birthright is not theirs to take. We stand peaceful, principled, firm and resolute for the liberty so many have perished for. We stand to uphold law and we will not comply with lawlessness from government.
We Stand! Stand with us.
In Liberty – Gavin Seim.
gavinforliberty@gmail.com
Post by: swinters on November 09, 2014, 09:15:33 AM
Post by: rim_runner on November 09, 2014, 10:01:39 AM
Post by: h20hunter on November 09, 2014, 10:06:51 AM
Post by: billythekidrock on November 09, 2014, 10:19:28 AM
That's what we need......guys with an AR on their back. The media will use pics of the biggest idiots making the dumbest statements.
:yeah:
AR's, fatigues and camo will be all over the news. :bash:
Post by: Stalker on November 09, 2014, 10:22:38 AM
I do believe that if the bulk of participants show up in "business" type attire this could throw a wrench into the media coverage, but again they will go out of their way to highlight others that fit their stereotype.
In any case doing something is better then doing nothing.
Post by: trophyhunt on November 09, 2014, 10:50:56 AM
Post by: rim_runner on November 09, 2014, 11:00:21 AM
Post by: PolarBear on November 09, 2014, 11:08:32 AM
We attended a gun rights rally and a Tea Party rally at the Capitol and the people who were open carrying or had AR's hanging across their backs were the folks who made the headlines in the paper and TV. They tried to make them look like irrational, militant extremists and their message was completely lost.That's what we need......guys with an AR on their back. The media will use pics of the biggest idiots making the dumbest statements.
:yeah:
AR's, fatigues and camo will be all over the news. :bash:
Post by: robodad on November 09, 2014, 11:13:26 AM
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I do believe that if the bulk of participants show up in "business" type attire this could throw a wrench into the media coverage, but again they will go out of their way to highlight others that fit their stereotype.
Wouldn't surprise me if the anti's and the media plant their own stereotypical gun toting whackos just to be sure to have something news worthy :bash:
Post by: buckfvr on November 09, 2014, 11:24:00 AM
QuoteI do believe that if the bulk of participants show up in "business" type attire this could throw a wrench into the media coverage, but again they will go out of their way to highlight others that fit their stereotype.
Wouldn't surprise me if the anti's and the media plant their own stereotypical gun toting whackos just to be sure to have something news worthy :bash:
They will get the photos they want, and some suitable dialogue to go with it, I'm sure. Many of us are more than hunters.....we are into shooting sports...we shoot guns and bows year'round. They need to see shooting sports enthusiast first, not hunters......hunting may be something many of us do, but it is not all we do, and I believe shooting sports enthusiasts should be as bent over this as hunters...........so anyone from clubs like Tacoma Sportsmans, recruit there please...........
Post by: Eli346 on November 09, 2014, 12:39:26 PM
Post by: npaull on November 09, 2014, 12:55:07 PM
Post by: Bean Counter on November 09, 2014, 01:06:21 PM
What I find off base is that this is going to protest the legislature in Olympia when the good guys won in Olympia a few years ago. Didn't the legislature turn this 594 crap down? Why go protest them now? This initiative was passed by the people. I think I'd rather shout cat calls at the gun owners who didn't bother to vote. Not sure how to go about doing that though... accost people at the gun range or Sportsmans Warehouse? Put on a bumper sticker?
Post by: T Pearce on November 09, 2014, 05:28:09 PM
Eli and rimrunner are right about this. No one should show up with guns. Like it or not, a bunch of armed people protesting looks INTRINSICALLY violent, even if they are in fact being peaceful.This is very important! And I totally agree.
March on this liberal capital with firearms and risk destroying our message.
T
Post by: 300rum on November 09, 2014, 07:44:49 PM
Post by: rim_runner on November 10, 2014, 09:38:32 AM
Post by: PolarBear on November 10, 2014, 10:19:24 AM
Post by: T Pearce on November 10, 2014, 12:56:22 PM
Perception is everything. I 594 was sold with the perception that only the bad guys have and use guns.
i.e.; Sheep cant tell the wolf from the sheep dog........ they are afraid of both.
I'm unable to participate due to impending surgery. (the reason I'll stay home) I thank those that are able to deliver the voice of the firearms enthusiast for me.
Shame on the Hunters/users/enthusiast that didn't vote.
Signed, at home pouting
Post by: csaaphill on November 10, 2014, 01:37:07 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on November 10, 2014, 01:46:02 PM
Post by: h20hunter on November 10, 2014, 01:48:54 PM
ya don't let the naysayers talk you guys out of it civil disobedience is always better than nothing.
Absurd statement.
Civil disobedience will only paint the entire group in a negative light. Lots of good points already made...I won't bother repeating the obvious.
Post by: stevemiller on November 10, 2014, 02:28:45 PM
Post by: T Pearce on November 10, 2014, 05:50:02 PM
Maybe your right.it has served us so well in the passed.Gay pride did what they did and won because nice didnt work.I don't remember the gays (kind words come hard sometimes) marching on the capital with guns..... they voted for the types that would support their agenda (Think Democrats).
I don't want to start bashing anyone's beliefs so I'm going to leave the keyboard for awhile 'til I can think nice thoughts. 8)
Post by: JODakota on November 10, 2014, 06:05:45 PM
ya don't let the naysayers talk you guys out of it civil disobedience is always better than nothing.
Absurd statement.
Civil disobedience will only paint the entire group in a negative light. Lots of good points already made...I won't bother repeating the obvious.
What a ridiculous statement. Grow a pair. I'm sure the folks who participated in the Boston Tea Party thought they would be perceived in a negative way. Do you think they cared, I doubt it. They knew what was right and how they could help the cause. You may think that was different times and we are lore civilized, but I promise we are not. Washington state just rolled over and gave up a big chunk of their gun rights. It is time time to be aggressive, not passive.
Post by: Rugburn on November 10, 2014, 07:23:23 PM
Cheers :)
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on November 10, 2014, 07:35:05 PM
Post by: rtspring on November 10, 2014, 07:38:49 PM
Grow some balls!!! When we stop caring about how we are perceived we will win... Guns over the back? Camo? I say to hell with what anyone thinks! You guys just keep trying to be nice and wear suit and ties and these people will take everything you got!!! Quit hiding the fact that you like guns and you like to hunt..
Rtspring
Post by: T Pearce on November 10, 2014, 07:44:46 PM
Opening day draws a lot of folks over from the west side of the state, I guess there must be more folks over there that hate you for your desire to feed you and your family wild game.
I stepped out of the truck at the Rye Grass rest area last sat afternoon forgetting the large frame revolver in a high ride pancake holster.
My buddy said the old gray hippy type parked 30 ft away in his Saturn and sweat pants liked to have crapped himself. Said his eyes got big.
Realizing my jacket had ridden up I covered up prior to returning to the truck.
Now, this fella followed me in......... but at first blush I believe he was spooked. Had I chosen a different means of carry that day he may not have soiled himself, and Its not that I care really.
I would like to be a fly on the wall and hear how he described me to his circle of friends.
I guess what I'm trying to say is we scare people. The same folks that will pose their young children beside a bear or buffalo at jellystone are afraid of a regular Joe wearing a smile and a gun. Go figure.
I'm not ranting. I was raised and still believe the "Hunters Welcome" attitude is the way.
It's saddening that emotion and impulse rule the polls.
Wish you all the best.
T
Post by: HighlandLofts on November 10, 2014, 08:14:15 PM
I'll be there on the 13th with a handgun strapped on my hip, I live in the Arlington (Everett) area, any one in thearea wanting to go PM me and we can line up the transportation to accommodate everyone. It's time to stand up and be heard, This 594 innititive was just the frosting on the cake.The very next day they were starting up new anti-gun laws since they took ths one so easy with no resistance to speak of. There is a big fight brewing and we need every one on board no matter what your gun interest is. They'll take every gun right you have and shove it up deep where the sun don't shine. They have the funds and the Democrap sheeple to back them.
Post by: hub on November 10, 2014, 08:20:43 PM
Post by: HighlandLofts on November 10, 2014, 08:39:28 PM
We already have laws on the books about convicted criminalsfrom buying guns. They don't buy them, they steal them or get them from the street fence. When a felon gets caught with a gun, give hime twenty years extra with no good time or parole. But the Dems don't want it that way, let them out, put them on a social program that is way over taxed & under staffed and forget about them, BUT give them their voting rights back so they can vote Democrap.
Every gun owner needs to go to this and bring a friend. Bring a cardboard sign. BE THERE ON THE 13TH!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: wolfbait on November 11, 2014, 10:32:36 AM
I think my sign will say "CRIMINAL CONTROL - NOT GUN CONTROL" if they kept these law baeaking scumbags in jail and prison where they belong, there wouldn't be hardly any new crimes commited. They get caught and plea deal down to a misdermeanor and released to re-offend. The cycle never stops.
We already have laws on the books about convicted criminalsfrom buying guns. They don't buy them, they steal them or get them from the street fence. When a felon gets caught with a gun, give hime twenty years extra with no good time or parole. But the Dems don't want it that way, let them out, put them on a social program that is way over taxed & under staffed and forget about them, BUT give them their voting rights back so they can vote Democrap.
Every gun owner needs to go to this and bring a friend. Bring a cardboard sign. BE THERE ON THE 13TH!!!!!!!!!!
We got a phone call to vote for 594, I answered the phone, the lady on the other end wanted to talk to my wife, she made it quite clear she did not want to talk to me. I finally got her to tell me what it was she wanted to talk to my wife about, She started in on why my wife should vote for 594, she said that more women and police officers would be save if this 594 was passed. I ask her if it was just women and police officers or would others be saved also? It took her a couple of seconds to come up with that perhaps others would be saved.
I ask her if she followed the news at all and she said she did, I then ask her what she thought of Chicago and all the gun violence with the strongest gun laws and what she thought happened there? She jumped right back to how women and police would be saved if 594 were passed.
Since it was her dime for the phone call we discussed "Fast and Furious" the "Sandy Hook shooting" and a few others, she got off track a few times and was agreeing with me, then she would snap back to her original intent and head off to the women and police officers being saved by 594. After a half hour I could see neither one of us was gaining any ground, so I told her that my wife would not be voting for 594, Click and she was gone. :chuckle:
I overheard LE talking about this 594, they said that many in WA would not enforce it, but instead look the other way, I also heard that some on the westside would enforce it to the fullest extent for political purposes.
The folks who think setting back and doing nothing because of what the mainstream media might say should be able to see how well that has worked with the wolf agenda etc. in WA. Afraid to make a statement etc. do to the fact that the environmentalists or pro-wolf crowd will get upset or use it against them in some way. Too many people sitting on their hands is probably what got us to where we are today.
Post by: h20hunter on November 11, 2014, 10:45:19 AM
ya don't let the naysayers talk you guys out of it civil disobedience is always better than nothing.
Absurd statement.
Civil disobedience will only paint the entire group in a negative light. Lots of good points already made...I won't bother repeating the obvious.
What a ridiculous statement. Grow a pair. I'm sure the folks who participated in the Boston Tea Party thought they would be perceived in a negative way. Do you think they cared, I doubt it. They knew what was right and how they could help the cause. You may think that was different times and we are lore civilized, but I promise we are not. Washington state just rolled over and gave up a big chunk of their gun rights. It is time time to be aggressive, not passive.
I applaud everyones passion. However, I'll stand by my statement. This isn't the Boston Tea Party. This isn't a revolution. This is legislation that was passed. Do I like it...nope. Do I agree with it...nope. Do I think for one second that beating my chest, making big bold look at me statements about wearing whatever colored panties or if I'm a man or not will make a lick of difference...nope again. Do I think that playing the part of a gun toting, look at me, inflamatory demonstration where the media will make exactly what they want out if will be the further downfall of even more rights...yes I do. I've said it before, not ashamed and don't mind the chest thumping that a few of our members enjoy......Open carry demonstrations and any other type of inflammatory demonstration, regardless of cause, with only be a further detriment to the cause.
One quick edit that I was thinking about......A few make statements such as "I don't care what others think" followed by whatever. Really, you should care exactly about that. Typically, in this case...."others" make up the voting majority. Yes, you of course have every right to make your opinion heard. But, do it wrong and the voting majority will hear you loud and clear.
Post by: SCRUBS on November 11, 2014, 11:12:13 AM
Time and money might be better spent organizing all of these people to pay for a Supreme Court challenge to the law. It's the most restrictive background check on the books. It may well be beatable.
:yeah: :yeah: :tup:
Post by: Bean Counter on November 11, 2014, 12:13:56 PM
Post by: RG on November 11, 2014, 12:41:20 PM
ya don't let the naysayers talk you guys out of it civil disobedience is always better than nothing.
Absurd statement.
Civil disobedience will only paint the entire group in a negative light. Lots of good points already made...I won't bother repeating the obvious.
What a ridiculous statement. Grow a pair. I'm sure the folks who participated in the Boston Tea Party thought they would be perceived in a negative way. Do you think they cared, I doubt it. They knew what was right and how they could help the cause. You may think that was different times and we are lore civilized, but I promise we are not. Washington state just rolled over and gave up a big chunk of their gun rights. It is time time to be aggressive, not passive.
I applaud everyones passion. However, I'll stand by my statement. This isn't the Boston Tea Party. This isn't a revolution. This is legislation that was passed. Do I like it...nope. Do I agree with it...nope. Do I think for one second that beating my chest, making big bold look at me statements about wearing whatever colored panties or if I'm a man or not will make a lick of difference...nope again. Do I think that playing the part of a gun toting, look at me, inflamatory demonstration where the media will make exactly what they want out if will be the further downfall of even more rights...yes I do. I've said it before, not ashamed and don't mind the chest thumping that a few of our members enjoy......Open carry demonstrations and any other type of inflammatory demonstration, regardless of cause, with only be a further detriment to the cause.
One quick edit that I was thinking about......A few make statements such as "I don't care what others think" followed by whatever. Really, you should care exactly about that. Typically, in this case...."others" make up the voting majority. Yes, you of course have every right to make your opinion heard. But, do it wrong and the voting majority will hear you loud and clear.
I agree. My panties aren't pink but I do have the ability to see the big picture. All of this came about because more voters in Washington chose yes than no on their ballot. If it is to be overturned then a bunch of those voters must change their mind and move to the position held by those of us who are gun owners. The legislators in Olympia are influenced by majority opinion or special interests. The media is predominately anti gun but they are motivated by controversy, disasters, and viewer numbers. They will spin the news to make it interesting and exciting so more people view it. The people who view it believe it because they don't think for themselves. My point? If you wish to influence future votes don't go stomping up there like you are going to teach them all a big lesson and win over all these people who we need on our side by intimidating them. They are going to give you the high sign and laugh in your face while shaking the hand of the rich guys. Remember what this is about. It's not a street fight it's a debate which will be won by convincing our opponents to join our side. I agree with the rally. I don't agree with making it some big show of force. They already think the gun is compensating for a shortage somewhere else. Make it peaceful and repeat it often. And it really is about appearance, impressions are going to be made. Important voters will join us or leave us depending upon how they feel about us more than how they feel about our message. They are already afraid of us or they would not have voted yes think about it.
My opinion only obviously.
An additional thought on this... The pro gun control people would love to have something to point to that would give them the chance to say "see, we told you they were like that, you better let us pass more laws to keep them under control". Remember, voters didn't do the homework on 594 and won't on the next one. They vote by how they feel and by what the TV tells them to do.
Post by: timberfaller on November 11, 2014, 09:32:50 PM
And check out the Thread:
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,164549.0.html (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,164549.0.html)
If you can't attend, or can't bring yourself to associate START calling those people!!