Post by: Mr Mykiss on November 16, 2014, 11:03:09 AM
Post by: ICEMAN on November 16, 2014, 11:13:38 AM
Instead how about appreciating other hunters for their successes no matter the difficulty.
I hope you were just joking.
Edit: we have packed many a muley out whole, from many god forsaken places, even way downhill or over hundreds of windfalls... you need to pack yours out in pieces?
Post by: grundy53 on November 16, 2014, 11:14:01 AM
Post by: billythekidrock on November 16, 2014, 11:22:04 AM
Most of the time people are driving, on roads of all things, while entering and leaving the woods. Oh, and when they drive from one location to another. Are they road hunters or hunters driving on the road? To most, it appears as there is no difference. Now if they are creeping along in granny gear and won't let you by, then you might be right in calling them road hunters, BUT just because they stop to glass or creep slow along a cut on their way to another area... that does not mean they are road hunter.
And if you are in the woods, who cares if they road hunt? Is it because road hunters shoot animals spooked by hunters in the woods? lol Not often, and if you spooked a deer to a road hunter then maybe you need to work on your own methods rather than bash someone else's.
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on November 16, 2014, 11:31:26 AM
It is ashamed that anti groups like PETA can just sit back and let the "my way is better than your way," hollier than thou hunters attact and belittle fellow hunters. Driving a wedge from inside and seperating user groups.
As much as I hate to say it, it will eventually all go away, one little piece at a time. If you don't believe that, you are living with your heads in the sand. And tearing down others choice or style of hunting just gives them that much more encouragement and has been shown time and time again, every November, we loose a little more.
For example, I can guarantee you, if the issue of baiting deer and elk isn't removed by the Comission, it will appear on the ballot as an initative, just like hounds/baiting for bear & cats, and trapping.
And we should all know by now how that will turn out...
So keep on trashing your fellow sportsman, because it will eventually catch up and effect your way of doing things, but then it will be way past too late.
Post by: Pinetar on November 16, 2014, 11:41:01 AM
Can't believe you just wrote all this like you are better than someone else. Everyone has different techniques when it comes to hunting and most of them work. I just had knee surgery a week ago and I road hunted all weekend. Wasn't going to stay home while their was a hunt going on that's for sure. I guess I wasn't a hunter and just a killer while my knee was mending? lol
Post by: jackelope on November 16, 2014, 11:47:17 AM
PS is that a picture of a whole elk in your avatar? Must have been a road hunt.
Post by: jackelope on November 16, 2014, 11:49:23 AM
Get over yourself man...
Unreal.
Post by: bowhunterwa87 on November 16, 2014, 11:50:03 AM
I felt as if you were talking down on us as if you were better as well...
Post by: Magnum_Willys on November 16, 2014, 11:50:20 AM
Post by: Timberstalker on November 16, 2014, 11:50:53 AM
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on November 16, 2014, 12:04:08 PM
I rarely bring a deer out any way other than whole because I like to keep my meat clean and bacteria free. The more hide you remove and the more pieces you cut your meat into, the harder that job is. Especially if you are one of those "lazy" back country hunters who bones everything out. How are you going to hurt after the hunt if you don't pack out the hide and bones? Slacker! (I've seen some of the carcasses guys like you leave behind and I'd be embarrassed to leave that much good eating behind.)
See.......... that elitist, my way is better than any other way knife cuts both ways.
And not to burst your bubble (OK I want to burst your bubble), but those back country animals you hunt? They are way easier to kill than the ones who live their lives in the vicinity of roads and road hunters. Those back country animals haven't learned to fear two legged predators like the ones down in civilization have. Many times they will stand and look at you and wonder if they are supposed to be afraid of the new critter in the neighborhood. While civilized animals know they'd best find the ugliest hidey hole around, and disappear before daylight happens.
I've hunted back country that would make you pucker up. And not because it's harder to hunt there, but the odds of success are usually greater. As for getting deer out whole, in my younger days, I'd slit the hind legs and slip the front legs through and toggle them to make a pack out of a whole animal. Then I learned the joys of using a deer drag which is way easier on my back. You learn to plan your hunt so the pack or drag is mostly down hill and it's not so bad. Mile to two mile drags are not uncommon. Then there are closed gate hunts where you may not be able to drive up to your kill, but you can still take a bike in and pack one out whole on your back or bring a cart in to lug it out. Or you can still use your deer drag.
This is about the dumbest attempt to try to denigrate other hunters I've ever seen. Your whole thought process is flawed.
Post by: rtspring on November 16, 2014, 12:06:41 PM
Post by: mfswallace on November 16, 2014, 12:10:51 PM
What a poor example of a hunter :twocents: To turn on others whom share in the thrill of the hunting experience, however they are able 2 is despicable !!! :bash: :bdid:
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on November 16, 2014, 12:12:27 PM
Post by: Bean Counter on November 16, 2014, 12:14:07 PM
Post by: 6x6in6 on November 16, 2014, 12:17:36 PM
So I'll just leave it with what a moronic post was started here. :bash:
Post by: grundy53 on November 16, 2014, 12:19:51 PM
I'd get a ban for multiple reasons if I posted what I really thought.I agree. I actually had to take a minute to calm down before I wrote my post. I didn't want to have to ban myself. :chuckle: :chuckle:
So I'll just leave it with what a moronic post was started here. :bash:
Post by: Bigshooter on November 16, 2014, 12:20:52 PM
Post by: 6x6in6 on November 16, 2014, 12:21:13 PM
:chuckle:I'd get a ban for multiple reasons if I posted what I really thought.I agree. I actually had to take a minute to calm down before I wrote my post. I didn't want to have to ban myself. :chuckle: :chuckle:
So I'll just leave it with what a moronic post was started here. :bash:
I lost track how many times I wiped my typing out and started over. :chuckle:
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on November 16, 2014, 12:23:14 PM
Post by: jay.sharkbait on November 16, 2014, 12:26:26 PM
Excuse my rant. I'll try and keep myself contained. So this is the backcountry forum...what comes to mind when you read the subject "Whole Deer"? I'll expand...whole deer in the back of a truck, whole deer on the back of an ATV, whole deer on the side of a logging road. What are your thoughts?
The first things that come to my mind are: road hunters, you sure worked hard for that one, tough pack out eh?, and again, road hunters...
By my nature I jump to negative conclusions. I know there are circumstances when you simply get a whole animal out due to sheer luck (e.g. you blast one near uphill of a logging road, shoot an elk in an open field on the coast, you're driving down a road in the mountains, etc). Also I understand that not all hunts can be backcountry hunts, see Entiat late hunts or other hunts with roads everywhere.
I understand that some (many) people don't hunt hardcore or pack into the backcountry but I've found that nowadays any picture of whole deer (other than those in the field) draw virtually no interest for me. Not that their not nice animals but am I supposed to admire your hunting skill because you filled the truck/ATV with gas that morning? That being said I killed a deer road hunting this year but I'm not bragging about it and my partner and I admitted that we were "Dirtbag road hunters" before the got in the truck, not to mention we were on our way home after we'd spend 4 days camping in the snow at 9,500' and actually hunting. I also feel like I don't want to be a killer. I want to be a hunter, I want it to be difficult, I want to be hurt afterwards, if I am to take another life I should suffer as well.
Also with a relatively new wife and a new kid (aka baby) my future undoubtedly holds many hours of finding easy, non-backcountry, killing hunts. Of course the great hope is those easy hunts will lead to a desire for more hunting and less killing...
So I guess the easy answer is "To each their own", right? And maybe we should be happy that tens of thousands more people don't know that backcountry hunting isn't "hunting" at all, it's a religion. Perhaps going against the spirit of organized religion I should not condemn people who don't have the same beliefs as I do. -Backcountry Addict
PS: BLUEBULLS is 100% responsible for this uppity post because he created a monster when he made me go on a backpack hunt with him
Consider yourself lucky sir.....Someday you won't be able to be all *censored* and cool. Someday you might just consider yourself lucky to just get through a work week without barfing.
The shiny slick stuff in your hips, knees and shoulders won't be there forever...Are you still gonna be all cool then?
My guess is at some point you will be faced with a decision. Either Quit hunting or join the evil ranks of Roadhunters you hate so much.
Post by: 2labs on November 16, 2014, 12:52:43 PM
Guess that makes me lazy " boat hunter" but my drags are down hill.
Post by: h20hunter on November 16, 2014, 01:08:43 PM
Post by: Alan K on November 16, 2014, 01:08:54 PM
Wow, who whizzed in yur mountain house? At 51 years old and 20 plus deer and 1 elk All came out whole! As stated, it's really not that tough to get a deer out whole. As I've gotten older and wiser, I plan better. A lot of my hunting now is out of my boat.
Guess that makes me lazy " boat hunter" but my drags are down hill.
:chuckle:
Post by: Jonathan_S on November 16, 2014, 01:16:38 PM
I've never quartered a deer in my life until I'm back to camp.
Post by: Toptwo on November 16, 2014, 01:26:07 PM
I am 57, and hunt almost exclusively by myself. Got my deer last year about 2.5 miles back behind a gate. Managed to get it out whole all by myself. A 1000 yard drag up to the road from the bottom of a cut, (took me about 2 hours) a 2.5 mile walk back to the truck to drop my stuff off and get my wheel barrow, 2.5 mile walk back in to the deer, and then 2.5 mile wheel out. Guess I am just lazy! Should have shot it farther from the road, and farther behind the gate. :dunno:
Post by: huntnfmly on November 16, 2014, 01:27:05 PM
what a tool.
Post by: Hilltop123 on November 16, 2014, 01:34:32 PM
Post by: Mr Mykiss on November 16, 2014, 03:35:13 PM
Post by: bowhunterwa87 on November 16, 2014, 03:43:05 PM
Post by: 6x6in6 on November 16, 2014, 03:58:27 PM
Post by: 7mag. on November 16, 2014, 04:05:54 PM
Post by: jackmaster on November 16, 2014, 04:12:30 PM
Post by: Hilltop123 on November 16, 2014, 04:25:02 PM
Post by: Pinetar on November 16, 2014, 04:37:49 PM
Post by: grundy53 on November 16, 2014, 04:52:24 PM
That's what I needed I suppose, a good butt-whooping As I said to each their own and I don't hate anyone, and I really don't want to be the enemy of us, that makes me feel horrible. And of course there are 18 other things I didn't consider. I'm a *censored*. Also I just helped a disabled veteran hunter get a doe last weekend. Having a bad day doesn't give me an excuse to be a *censored* but maybe a reason to be forgiven...eventually?Good on you! We all have those days. At least you're man enough to own up to it. I just think we should all keep an open mind when it comes to other people's hunting methods.
Post by: Pinetar on November 16, 2014, 04:56:55 PM
Post by: Jonathan_S on November 16, 2014, 04:59:00 PM
Not because you agree or disagree with me but because you are able to say, "maybe it's just one of those days..."
I've been there, done that and got the T-Shirt to prove it :chuckle:
Post by: Magnum_Willys on November 16, 2014, 05:02:51 PM
Post by: mfswallace on November 16, 2014, 06:25:25 PM
It's better to let others think you a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt :chuckle:
Post by: steen on November 16, 2014, 10:11:41 PM
Post by: idahohuntr on November 16, 2014, 10:21:12 PM
Post by: csaaphill on November 16, 2014, 10:46:01 PM
I find it funny when people complain about "road hunters".:yeah:
Most of the time people are driving, on roads of all things, while entering and leaving the woods. Oh, and when they drive from one location to another. Are they road hunters or hunters driving on the road? To most, it appears as there is no difference. Now if they are creeping along in granny gear and won't let you by, then you might be right in calling them road hunters, BUT just because they stop to glass or creep slow along a cut on their way to another area... that does not mean they are road hunter.
And if you are in the woods, who cares if they road hunt? Is it because road hunters shoot animals spooked by hunters in the woods? lol Not often, and if you spooked a deer to a road hunter then maybe you need to work on your own methods rather than bash someone else's.
so here it si the anual I hate road hunter thread ok so were banning road hunters now? make it a felony?
If so I want in Ban baiting all together If you can't walk and look for deer without putting out apples and or such then your not hunting you baiting and shooting.
Treestands ban em if your too darned fat to walk then your too darned fat for that small tree.
Blinds Oh my dont' even get me started on that people sit in a small tent or building and shoot an animal how low you gota be.
People that use 4 wheelers and or motorcycles while hunting get off the darned things and walk down the hill.
Heres one how about you leave people alone then.
Road hunting done right is a valuable tool it's more than ust drinking beer and joy riding which btw joy riding isn't against the law drinking and driving is but not joy riding. But road hunting doesn't neccessarily mean all your doing is driving slow it means you might be looking at the road to see where an animal might have crossed and then go after it if it's fresh enough. Old fashioned road hunting is that not just joy riding. But even if so whats wrong with that? seems to me you've got it all wrong we used to make fun of all the ones who drove so fast they missed things like a deer standing not 50 yards away.
so again shutt the heck up or we all lose. >:(
Post by: csaaphill on November 16, 2014, 11:11:11 PM
wow didn't realise this was the original post.Excuse my rant. I'll try and keep myself contained. So this is the backcountry forum...what comes to mind when you read the subject "Whole Deer"? I'll expand...whole deer in the back of a truck, whole deer on the back of an ATV, whole deer on the side of a logging road. What are your thoughts?
The first things that come to my mind are: road hunters, you sure worked hard for that one, tough pack out eh?, and again, road hunters...
By my nature I jump to negative conclusions. I know there are circumstances when you simply get a whole animal out due to sheer luck (e.g. you blast one near uphill of a logging road, shoot an elk in an open field on the coast, you're driving down a road in the mountains, etc). Also I understand that not all hunts can be backcountry hunts, see Entiat late hunts or other hunts with roads everywhere.
I understand that some (many) people don't hunt hardcore or pack into the backcountry but I've found that nowadays any picture of whole deer (other than those in the field) draw virtually no interest for me. Not that their not nice animals but am I supposed to admire your hunting skill because you filled the truck/ATV with gas that morning? That being said I killed a deer road hunting this year but I'm not bragging about it and my partner and I admitted that we were "Dirtbag road hunters" before the got in the truck, not to mention we were on our way home after we'd spend 4 days camping in the snow at 9,500' and actually hunting. I also feel like I don't want to be a killer. I want to be a hunter, I want it to be difficult, I want to be hurt afterwards, if I am to take another life I should suffer as well.
Also with a relatively new wife and a new kid (aka baby) my future undoubtedly holds many hours of finding easy, non-backcountry, killing hunts. Of course the great hope is those easy hunts will lead to a desire for more hunting and less killing...
So I guess the easy answer is "To each their own", right? And maybe we should be happy that tens of thousands more people don't know that backcountry hunting isn't "hunting" at all, it's a religion. Perhaps going against the spirit of organized religion I should not condemn people who don't have the same beliefs as I do. -Backcountry Addict
PS: BLUEBULLS is 100% responsible for this uppity post because he created a monster when he made me go on a backpack hunt with him
Consider yourself lucky sir.....Someday you won't be able to be all *censored* and cool. Someday you might just consider yourself lucky to just get through a work week without barfing.
The shiny slick stuff in your hips, knees and shoulders won't be there forever...Are you still gonna be all cool then?
My guess is at some point you will be faced with a decision. Either Quit hunting or join the evil ranks of Roadhunters you hate so much.
To be fair if this was parof the archery or other pars of this forum most who lambasted this guy would yay his ran't against road hunters.
SOme of you I have seen do just that too >:(
but ya this guy needs unknot his undies and leave people alone.
I got a decent 4pt two years ago and got it whole to the truck, but wasn't road hunting. I'd gotten lucky and seen this deer coming over a ridge about 200 yards or so from where I started out at. So I walked more like trotted over to where I'd seen it but keeping my head low so as to not scare it off. I got to the draw it went in at and stood and waited in hopes he'd jump out of the brush which is exactly what he did. so had a 200 yard drag by myself just 10-20 yard at a time. So guess just because I seen him not 20 yards from pickup but had to walk 200 yards to where and drag him back woudl make me a dirt bag road hunter.
I say leave it all alone if you don't want it banned hunting itself is to fail anyhows but don't need your help.
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on November 16, 2014, 11:15:21 PM
I think mykiss' posts are usually very reasonable and thoughtful...he apologized for a post he apparently did not think through after a bad day...that is very admirable imo.
:yeah:
:tup:
Post by: csaaphill on November 16, 2014, 11:16:35 PM
carry on but truth remains we hang together or hang seperatly.
Post by: Stein on November 18, 2014, 08:55:15 AM
oh ok so he was ranitng :chuckle: and appologised ok didn't quite catch that
carry on but truth remains we hang together or hang seperatly.
:yeah:
This day and age, we seem to equate "different" with "bad." I road hunted with my eleven year old daughter last weekend in 5 degree weather and declare that as pretty extreme and cool.
Unless you head into the woods with nothing but a loincloth and an attitude, there will always be someone more "extreme" than you. There are tribal dudes who run animals down until exhaustion and slit their throats. There is plenty of room in the world for all types of hunters.
Post by: csaaphill on November 19, 2014, 01:29:07 AM
oh ok so he was ranitng :chuckle: and appologised ok didn't quite catch that
carry on but truth remains we hang together or hang seperatly.
:yeah:
This day and age, we seem to equate "different" with "bad." I road hunted with my eleven year old daughter last weekend in 5 degree weather and declare that as pretty extreme and cool.
no worries by me at least hopeyou two had fun
Unless you head into the woods with nothing but a loincloth and an attitude, there will always be someone more "extreme" than you. There are tribal dudes who run animals down until exhaustion and slit their throats. There is plenty of room in the world for all types of hunters.
Post by: Mr Mykiss on November 20, 2014, 03:00:35 PM
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,165411.0.html (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,165411.0.html)
Post by: Call em in on November 20, 2014, 03:44:51 PM