Post by: wolfbait on November 16, 2014, 08:30:00 PM
http://media.spokesman.com/documents/2014/11/Trapper_takes_eight_wolves_in_a_month.pdf (http://media.spokesman.com/documents/2014/11/Trapper_takes_eight_wolves_in_a_month.pdf)
Post by: Bullkllr on November 16, 2014, 08:45:40 PM
Post by: mkcj on November 16, 2014, 08:58:01 PM
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on November 16, 2014, 09:08:39 PM
Hopefully Washington will follow suit.
Of course, I wonder if you can catch a wolf in a cage trap....
Post by: zwickeyman on November 16, 2014, 09:09:49 PM
Post by: kodiak 907 on November 16, 2014, 09:19:41 PM
Post by: mfswallace on November 16, 2014, 09:22:35 PM
Trapper takes eight wolves in a month
http://media.spokesman.com/documents/2014/11/Trapper_takes_eight_wolves_in_a_month.pdf (http://media.spokesman.com/documents/2014/11/Trapper_takes_eight_wolves_in_a_month.pdf)
Anyone who advocates for a single wolf as a good thing for ungulates should read this article and wake up!!!
Wolves :bdid: :bdid: :bdid: Wolf Advocates :bash: :bash: :bash:
Post by: Dan-o on November 16, 2014, 09:42:00 PM
Post by: bearpaw on November 16, 2014, 10:02:13 PM
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The 2014-2015 trapping season for wolves opened more than a month earlier than the traditional season, Brad Corkill, an Idaho Fish and Game commissioner, said.
"The traditional trapping season doesn’t open until Nov. 15, but we opened it up Oct. 10. It’s a very important part of our management plan," he said, "especially in the area of the upper St. Joe drainage. We opened it early to give trappers the opportunity to get into that country before the snow gets too deep and shuts off access."
The elk herd in the St. Joe River drainage, which is in Unit 9, used to have numbers close to 3,000, Mr. Corkill said.
"Our numbers are now showing that the herd is below 500. Restoring the herd to that area is very important," he added.
Tony McDermott, who served as a Fish and Game commissioner from 2005 to 2013, is the sportsman’s representative on Governor Butch Otter’s wolf control board.
"We have a wolf problem," Mr. McDermott said. "And it has cost the state millions of dollars."
In an article he wrote last year, Mr. McDermott spoke to David and Tina Banderob, who are the owners of Banderob’s Wild Meat Processing Plant in St. Maries.
In 2005, the Banderob’s processed 205 elk, the majority for nonresident hunters. In 2013, they processed 31 elk for mostly resident hunters.
"Tina reported that nonresident elk hunters have quit coming to St. Maries because the elk are gone," Mr. McDermott wrote.
Mr. McDermott said there are close to 1,000 wolves in Idaho if not more which is far more than what was agreed upon. In 2002, the Idaho Legislature approved a Wolf Management Plan that called for 150 wolves and 15 breeding pairs.
"Over the last five years, the state has lost in excess of $100 million," Mr. McDermott said. "Elk populations in the Lolo Zone have gone from 1,500 to less than 700 and there are less than 500 elk in the St. Joe drainage, down from 2,000 or more. That is due to the addition of the wolf."
According to the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation a wolf will kill 20 to 30 elk each year, he added.
Mr. Coward estimates by removing eight wolves he’s saved close to 160 elk.
Post by: wolfbait on November 17, 2014, 09:43:22 AM
Add the St Joe to the list of wolf devastated herds!QuoteThe 2014-2015 trapping season for wolves opened more than a month earlier than the traditional season, Brad Corkill, an Idaho Fish and Game commissioner, said.
"The traditional trapping season doesn’t open until Nov. 15, but we opened it up Oct. 10. It’s a very important part of our management plan," he said, "especially in the area of the upper St. Joe drainage. We opened it early to give trappers the opportunity to get into that country before the snow gets too deep and shuts off access."
The elk herd in the St. Joe River drainage, which is in Unit 9, used to have numbers close to 3,000, Mr. Corkill said.
"Our numbers are now showing that the herd is below 500. Restoring the herd to that area is very important," he added.
Tony McDermott, who served as a Fish and Game commissioner from 2005 to 2013, is the sportsman’s representative on Governor Butch Otter’s wolf control board.
"We have a wolf problem," Mr. McDermott said. "And it has cost the state millions of dollars."
In an article he wrote last year, Mr. McDermott spoke to David and Tina Banderob, who are the owners of Banderob’s Wild Meat Processing Plant in St. Maries.
In 2005, the Banderob’s processed 205 elk, the majority for nonresident hunters. In 2013, they processed 31 elk for mostly resident hunters.
"Tina reported that nonresident elk hunters have quit coming to St. Maries because the elk are gone," Mr. McDermott wrote.
Mr. McDermott said there are close to 1,000 wolves in Idaho if not more which is far more than what was agreed upon. In 2002, the Idaho Legislature approved a Wolf Management Plan that called for 150 wolves and 15 breeding pairs.
"Over the last five years, the state has lost in excess of $100 million," Mr. McDermott said. "Elk populations in the Lolo Zone have gone from 1,500 to less than 700 and there are less than 500 elk in the St. Joe drainage, down from 2,000 or more. That is due to the addition of the wolf."
According to the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation a wolf will kill 20 to 30 elk each year, he added.
Mr. Coward estimates by removing eight wolves he’s saved close to 160 elk.
See now, it took 14 years for IDFG to finally admit that the wolves were impacting the game herds, how long will it take for WDFW to be honest? What will the impacts on WA game herds look like by that time?
Remember WDFW are protecting other predators by not having more robust hunting seasons, so add up an uncontrolled wolf population and excessive cougars/bears, impacts which so far WDFW refuse to acknowledge. By the time delisting rolls around will there be anything left in WA to hunt?
Post by: MR5x5 on November 17, 2014, 11:39:40 AM
I made my crew join as a condition of hunting Idaho this year.
Post by: cougarbart on November 17, 2014, 12:01:39 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on November 17, 2014, 12:28:48 PM
Post by: bearpaw on November 17, 2014, 12:37:58 PM
A biologist called me last Friday and I asked her where the most wolves are killed in the Panhandle. She said the Joe, unit 4.
Not surprised....
Post by: idahohuntr on November 17, 2014, 12:44:26 PM
Well I have been up the joe the last 10 years and good luck trying to hear a bugle now! But that's probably because of the harsh winters! Cause people blame the wolves!Hunting was still pretty good through about 07...09 and 10 is when I would say things went south quickly.
IDFG is on top of wolves because the people proved the impacts, at first IDFG denied impacts, I have the old news stories to prove it. :twocents:Post 'em up...I would love to see the details of what evidence you believe supports the notion that IDFG was denying or hiding impacts. Maybe I missed it :dunno:
Post by: cougarbart on November 17, 2014, 02:51:02 PM
Post by: bearpaw on November 17, 2014, 03:57:16 PM
Well I have been up the joe the last 10 years and good luck trying to hear a bugle now! But that's probably because of the harsh winters! Cause people blame the wolves!Hunting was still pretty good through about 07...09 and 10 is when I would say things went south quickly.IDFG is on top of wolves because the people proved the impacts, at first IDFG denied impacts, I have the old news stories to prove it. :twocents:Post 'em up...I would love to see the details of what evidence you believe supports the notion that IDFG was denying or hiding impacts. Maybe I missed it :dunno:
Let me say, I am in full support of IDFG more aggressive management the last couple years, but here are a few examples of IDFG ignoring wolf impacts in years past before the people of Idaho got IDFG on the right page:
Tom Bergerud top wolf expert from BC told the IDFG the following:
"I predict that you´re going to have major impacts from wolves in this state," (Idaho) he said. I predict a major elk decline.
He said that he saw wolves "repeatedly depress moose, caribou and elk populations while studying them throughout Canada and in some cases they wiped out local populations of caribou."
"I've watched herd after herd (of caribou) go EXTINCT across Canada," he said. The problem: wolves have no known predators to keep them in balance with the ecosystem..”
"In general, elk herds are doing very well in Idaho," Niemeyer said, pointing out that elk herds were in decline in some areas before the wolves were released. He disputed that there is any scientific evidence that wolves have reduced elk herds. Fish and Game Department wildlife biologist Steve Nadeau said the issue is more complex and that both extremes -- those predicting wolves will annihilate big game and those claiming the predators are harmless to big game are wrong."...........Steve Nadeau, IDFG /Carter Niemeyer (USFWS), 5-16-2002
"There are so many factors affecting elk populations, and wolves are only one of them, and likely not the most important one," said biologist Steve Nadeau, Fish and Game's large carnivore coordinator. Nadeau said Fish and Game has attempted to learn more about the impacts of wolves, especially in places where elk numbers are declining. He hears many complaints from hunters. He said it's likely the numbers aren't decreasing, the elk are more wary with wolves around. They don't spend as much time in the open and are more careful about making their presence known, he said. "The majority of what hunters are seeing are behavioral changes rather than population changes," Nadeau said"..........Steve Nadeau IDFG large carnivore coordinator 6-24-2004
http://graywolfnews.com/pdf/Outdoorsman_No_39%20May_2010.pdf (http://graywolfnews.com/pdf/Outdoorsman_No_39%20May_2010.pdf)
IDFG Continues to Deny It Violated Idaho Law
The Truth about Idaho’s Declining Elk Harvests
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I have worked closely with Idaho Fish and Game issues since 1957 and, despite the clear requirements in I.C. Sec. 36-104(b), I have never seen the F&G Commission listen to citizen testimony and then decide game declines require season changes or other emergency action until biologists finally admit it is necessary. This is usually one or several years later and then only after citizens have sought help from their legislators to force the action.
The claims by IDFG biologists and wolf advocates that all is well in the majority of elk units are patently false. In the following pages you will learn that every elk unit or zone in Idaho with a significant wolf population also has severe ongoing declines in annual hunter harvests.
http://graywolfnews.com/pdf/Outdoorsman_No_38_Feb-April_2010_IdahoFG_Director_Warns_FG_Commission_Not_to_Show_Controversial_Wolf_Documents_to_Public.pdf (http://graywolfnews.com/pdf/Outdoorsman_No_38_Feb-April_2010_IdahoFG_Director_Warns_FG_Commission_Not_to_Show_Controversial_Wolf_Documents_to_Public.pdf)
Idaho F&G Director Warns F&G Commission Not to Show Controversial Wolf Documents to Public
By George Dovel
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Despite Existing Proof, F&G Continues to Hide: 1) Its Role in Wolf Introduction and 2) Its Failure to Legally Remove Wolves Decimating Elk and Deer Populations
http://magicvalley.com/news/local/wood-river/article_64d3fe91-1afd-5794-b5a0-62129c6f11ca.html?mode=story (http://magicvalley.com/news/local/wood-river/article_64d3fe91-1afd-5794-b5a0-62129c6f11ca.html?mode=story)
F&G: Wolves not causing most elk losses
July 31, 2010
Post by: wolfbait on November 17, 2014, 04:27:19 PM
Post by: cougarbart on November 17, 2014, 04:55:45 PM
Post by: hollymaster on November 17, 2014, 05:10:34 PM
Nothing more complicated than simply one state vs another. Legal there, protected here.
Hopefully Washington will follow suit.
Of course, I wonder if you can catch a wolf in a cage trap....
And release it in Seattle. :dunno: :chuckle:
Post by: idahohuntr on November 17, 2014, 05:16:25 PM
Post by: idahohuntr on November 17, 2014, 05:34:35 PM
At least you are now willing to admit IDFG is doing a good job...many aren't even willing to admit that...baby steps I guess. :tup:
Post by: bearpaw on November 17, 2014, 05:40:34 PM
These "changes in management" and "proving IDFG wrong" are all in your head. :chuckle: IDFG has no illusions about predators and predator management...they also understand what has to be done when dealing with federally listed species. While you say you now approve of what they are doing...those are the same folks that were in place in the late 90's and early 2000's that were doing the ground work to establish the predator management program in place today. Its unfortunate you can only see what's right in front of you...thank goodness we have public servants in many of these state agencies that can see farther down the road than next weeks hunt.
At least you are now willing to admit IDFG is doing a good job...many aren't even willing to admit that...baby steps I guess. :tup:
Maybe you don't realize it but the director has changed many times. :rolleyes:
Post by: idahohuntr on November 17, 2014, 05:47:25 PM
What you don't realize is the last several directors (and all of the directors since wolves have been a significant issue) spent nearly their entire careers working up IDFG ranks and have been involved in most of the significant agency activities...Virgil Moore, Cal Groen, Steve Huffaker...lifetime IDFG staff...the deputy directors Kiefer and Unsworth...been there a long, long time.These "changes in management" and "proving IDFG wrong" are all in your head. :chuckle: IDFG has no illusions about predators and predator management...they also understand what has to be done when dealing with federally listed species. While you say you now approve of what they are doing...those are the same folks that were in place in the late 90's and early 2000's that were doing the ground work to establish the predator management program in place today. Its unfortunate you can only see what's right in front of you...thank goodness we have public servants in many of these state agencies that can see farther down the road than next weeks hunt.
At least you are now willing to admit IDFG is doing a good job...many aren't even willing to admit that...baby steps I guess. :tup:
Maybe you don't realize it but the director has changed many times. :rolleyes:
Post by: bearpaw on November 17, 2014, 08:05:33 PM
https://fishandgame.idaho.gov/content/sites/default/files/Open%20Letter%20From%20Director%20Virgil%20Moore.pdf
Post by: Landowner on November 17, 2014, 08:58:37 PM
Post by: bugs n bones on November 19, 2014, 06:38:15 AM
Post by: bearpaw on November 19, 2014, 11:29:27 AM
Post by: Curly on November 19, 2014, 11:35:24 AM
Hats off to the guy getting 8 wolves. Go get more.
:yeah:
I hope he gets some help with expenses too.