Post by: wolfbait on November 16, 2014, 08:31:44 PM
http://www.spokesman.com/blogs/outdoors/2014/nov/14/teanaway-wolf-shot-feds-confirm/ (http://www.spokesman.com/blogs/outdoors/2014/nov/14/teanaway-wolf-shot-feds-confirm/)
Post by: mfswallace on November 16, 2014, 08:40:51 PM
Post by: BAR C3 on November 16, 2014, 08:41:56 PM
Boy that money could feed a lot of families through holidays but they would rather protect the damn wolves.
Post by: wolfbait on November 16, 2014, 08:46:38 PM
"That’s a lot and that’s huge," he said. "I’ve come across elk that are still alive that have been chewed on by wolves. The wolves just ate the hind end off and the elk can’t walk anymore. I decided I was going to learn how to harvest wolves and try to save some elk."
http://media.spokesman.com/documents/2014/11/Trapper_takes_eight_wolves_in_a_month.pdf (http://media.spokesman.com/documents/2014/11/Trapper_takes_eight_wolves_in_a_month.pdf)
Apparently there are some folks in WA who feel the same! :bfg:
Post by: Bango skank on November 16, 2014, 08:53:07 PM
Post by: Bean Counter on November 16, 2014, 09:02:02 PM
Post by: mfswallace on November 16, 2014, 09:04:34 PM
Mr. Coward estimates by removing eight wolves he’s saved close to 160 elk.
"That’s a lot and that’s huge," he said. "I’ve come across elk that are still alive that have been chewed on by wolves. The wolves just ate the hind end off and the elk can’t walk anymore. I decided I was going to learn how to harvest wolves and try to save some elk."
http://media.spokesman.com/documents/2014/11/Trapper_takes_eight_wolves_in_a_month.pdf (http://media.spokesman.com/documents/2014/11/Trapper_takes_eight_wolves_in_a_month.pdf)
Apparently there are some folks in WA who feel the same! :bfg:
Good article for all wolf advocates, wanting 1 wolf or 105, to realize what is gonna happen :bash:
Post by: idahohuntr on November 16, 2014, 09:31:32 PM
Post by: MerriamMagician on November 16, 2014, 09:54:21 PM
Post by: csaaphill on November 16, 2014, 10:05:53 PM
:hello:
Post by: wolfbait on November 17, 2014, 09:31:11 AM
Post by: idahohuntr on November 17, 2014, 10:09:08 AM
Post by: wolfbait on November 17, 2014, 10:22:33 AM
I don't see anything funny about poaching wb. Also, what illegal wolf introdcution are you referring to? I'm only aware of wolves legally introduced by the USFWS to Idaho and YNP. You remember...the ones that were adjudicated and the 10th cicrcuit upheld as legal :tup: Its fine you disagree with re-introduction decision, I do as well...but continuing to tell the same lie that the introduction was illegal does not make it true.
We have already had this discussion and you came out in second, as far as being funny in the way you described above, you know is BS, but then that's usually the trail you travel.
Post by: rtspring on November 17, 2014, 10:30:04 AM
Here is the line!!! -------- your either on this side or that side.. To hell with any wolf taking my love of hunting away!! I've worked to hard and spent way to much time and money helping out elk, to have some wolf lover try and bash my fellow hunters!! Kill every damn wolf that is alive.... They were brought here in total secrecy from the hunting community, we were lied to and still are being lied to!!!
Dont like my post, go hug a damn wolf and leave hunters alone..
Post by: idahohuntr on November 17, 2014, 10:41:35 AM
Poaching? Anyone and I mean anyone who hunts and still supports wolves is an absolute moron!! These same morons complain about not seeing game! Tag prices to high, not drawing quality tags!! To call these folks who killed this wolf a poacher is absolute ignorance.Your anger is misguided and I don't believe the issue is black and white. Its not a kill them all or don't kill any...those are the sides that get the most attention and as usual the reasoned voices are drowned out. Hunters are the ones who ultimately lose if we are portrayed to the public as supporting any kind of poaching. :twocents:
Here is the line!!! -------- your either on this side or that side.. To hell with any wolf taking my love of hunting away!! I've worked to hard and spent way to much time and money helping out elk, to have some wolf lover try and bash my fellow hunters!! Kill every damn wolf that is alive.... They were brought here in total secrecy from the hunting community, we were lied to and still are being lied to!!!
Dont like my post, go hug a damn wolf and leave hunters alone..
Post by: brianmtsinc on November 17, 2014, 10:43:24 AM
I hope he remembered the third "S"
:yeah: :yeah: :yeah: :yeah:
Post by: rtspring on November 17, 2014, 10:49:44 AM
Poaching? Anyone and I mean anyone who hunts and still supports wolves is an absolute moron!! These same morons complain about not seeing game! Tag prices to high, not drawing quality tags!! To call these folks who killed this wolf a poacher is absolute ignorance.Your anger is misguided and I don't believe the issue is black and white. Its not a kill them all or don't kill any...those are the sides that get the most attention and as usual the reasoned voices are drowned out. Hunters are the ones who ultimately lose if we are portrayed to the public as supporting any kind of poaching. :twocents:
Here is the line!!! -------- your either on this side or that side.. To hell with any wolf taking my love of hunting away!! I've worked to hard and spent way to much time and money helping out elk, to have some wolf lover try and bash my fellow hunters!! Kill every damn wolf that is alive.... They were brought here in total secrecy from the hunting community, we were lied to and still are being lied to!!!
Dont like my post, go hug a damn wolf and leave hunters alone..
Not when some dont consider it poaching! Trying to change a hunters love of hunting to Anti's is a waste of time!! I hear we should do this and do that so that the public dont see this or see that! How far did that get us? No baiting, no dogs? The list goes on and on. If we wait until the antis and pro wolf people have their way our herds will be gone or severly diminished.. Im not willing to take that chance. And yes on the contrary it is black and white..
Post by: wolfbait on November 17, 2014, 11:03:47 AM
Poaching? Anyone and I mean anyone who hunts and still supports wolves is an absolute moron!! These same morons complain about not seeing game! Tag prices to high, not drawing quality tags!! To call these folks who killed this wolf a poacher is absolute ignorance.Your anger is misguided and I don't believe the issue is black and white. Its not a kill them all or don't kill any...those are the sides that get the most attention and as usual the reasoned voices are drowned out. Hunters are the ones who ultimately lose if we are portrayed to the public as supporting any kind of poaching. :twocents:
Here is the line!!! -------- your either on this side or that side.. To hell with any wolf taking my love of hunting away!! I've worked to hard and spent way to much time and money helping out elk, to have some wolf lover try and bash my fellow hunters!! Kill every damn wolf that is alive.... They were brought here in total secrecy from the hunting community, we were lied to and still are being lied to!!!
Dont like my post, go hug a damn wolf and leave hunters alone..
Turn the coin around and look at it from the other side and we see the USFWS brought the wolves into the lower 48 knowing what would happen, and then along with state game agencies lie about the impacts in every state until the wolves prove them liars.
The wolves that were brought in to the lower 48 have a free hand at poaching the game herds/livestock while the USFWS and state game agencies hide behind the ESA implementing mass destruction of hunting and ranching.
Post by: idahohuntr on November 17, 2014, 11:36:49 AM
I think the public generally supports hunting and its because most hunters are legal, ethical, honest people. If we collectively come across as supporting poaching of any kind this public support will erode quickly and it could get even more scary when it comes to the initiative process! I realize many hunters, and I'm one of them, don't believe wolves should be listed as endangered. To work towards de-listing is a better alternative than poaching a state protected species...even (and especially) if you disagree with the current law.Poaching? Anyone and I mean anyone who hunts and still supports wolves is an absolute moron!! These same morons complain about not seeing game! Tag prices to high, not drawing quality tags!! To call these folks who killed this wolf a poacher is absolute ignorance.Your anger is misguided and I don't believe the issue is black and white. Its not a kill them all or don't kill any...those are the sides that get the most attention and as usual the reasoned voices are drowned out. Hunters are the ones who ultimately lose if we are portrayed to the public as supporting any kind of poaching. :twocents:
Here is the line!!! -------- your either on this side or that side.. To hell with any wolf taking my love of hunting away!! I've worked to hard and spent way to much time and money helping out elk, to have some wolf lover try and bash my fellow hunters!! Kill every damn wolf that is alive.... They were brought here in total secrecy from the hunting community, we were lied to and still are being lied to!!!
Dont like my post, go hug a damn wolf and leave hunters alone..
Not when some dont consider it poaching! Trying to change a hunters love of hunting to Anti's is a waste of time!! I hear we should do this and do that so that the public dont see this or see that! How far did that get us? No baiting, no dogs? The list goes on and on. If we wait until the antis and pro wolf people have their way our herds will be gone or severly diminished.. Im not willing to take that chance. And yes on the contrary it is black and white..
As far as impacts...look at other western states...some areas are impacted more than others. Some severely so...others even before wolf hunting/trapping seasons were only marginally or minimally effected. These phrases wolfbait tosses out carelessly about "mass destruction" are totally inaccurate. He likes to sensationalize the impacts to suggest some statewide destruction...talk to guys that actually hunt these various states. Many others have posted on this very forum some very positive reviews of the overall hunting in Idaho recently. I love hunting as much or more than the next guy...I don't want herds destroyed either...there are far more significant troubles on the horizon which will steal your opportunity and your kids opportunity to participate in this heritage than wolves.
Post by: mountainman on November 17, 2014, 12:14:04 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on November 17, 2014, 12:23:01 PM
Post by: bearpaw on November 17, 2014, 12:27:04 PM
I don't see anything funny about poaching wb. Also, what illegal wolf introdcution are you referring to? I'm only aware of wolves legally introduced by the USFWS to Idaho and YNP. You remember...the ones that were adjudicated and the 10th cicrcuit upheld as legal :tup: Its fine you disagree with re-introduction decision, I do as well...but continuing to tell the same lie that the introduction was illegal does not make it true.
You are Incorrect, it is congressional record that USFWS secretly and illegally used Pittman Robertson funds to introduce wolves.
Post by: Bean Counter on November 17, 2014, 12:32:50 PM
Post by: idahohuntr on November 17, 2014, 12:53:53 PM
Game numbers in THIS state in areas wolves are showing up ARE being destroyed..anyone with eyes and a brain and a tank of gas can see that. You say states have been severely impacted, then say hunting is in great shape..which is it? Every person I know that hunted Idaho in areas with wolves have given up hunting there. To say there is no devastation is, well, silliness..I say areas in states have been impacted...overall, hunting from a statewide perspective is in very good shape...some areas are excellent, some areas are under objective, some areas are over objective. This is true for Idaho, for Montana, for Wyoming. Again, its not all or none and I've never suggested its all good or all bad...game populations are very dynamic. They are not static. That is as true before wolves as it is with wolves.
What areas have been destroyed in Washington because of wolves? And what's your definition of destroyed? Maybe its just semantics, but when I see the word destroyed I think there are virtually no animals left...an un-huntable population. Perhaps by destroyed you mean it isn't quite as good or quite as many animals as a few years ago?
Post by: Stein on November 17, 2014, 01:11:50 PM
I noticed Woodland Park Zoo suddenly has a bunch of money to get involved with supporting wolves. Maybe they could stick one in with their animals and let nature take its course.
Post by: bearpaw on November 17, 2014, 01:39:22 PM
:yike: Can you post up a little info about that? I must have missed this.
I don't want to completely derail this topic so I posted info here:
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,165186.0.html (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,165186.0.html)
Post by: GameHunter1959 on November 17, 2014, 01:45:53 PM
Ask yourself....
What can I (we) do to make the impact you so desire?
If it is completely eradicating wolves, then go for it. If you think all wolves should be captured and painted hunter orange; then go for that too. Just saying...all this talk, but no action.
Post by: Stein on November 17, 2014, 01:56:27 PM
If you could paint the deer and elk orange, however, you would have my attention.
Post by: bearpaw on November 19, 2014, 06:43:04 AM
For all the time all of you spend on here arguing about wolves; you could have banned together, come to a mutual understanding, and potentially made an impact on the wolf issue. Arguing and passive aggressively throwing insults out to each other has accomplished nothing. Control the controllable.
Ask yourself....
What can I (we) do to make the impact you so desire?
If it is completely eradicating wolves, then go for it. If you think all wolves should be captured and painted hunter orange; then go for that too. Just saying...all this talk, but no action.
perhaps you don't know how much time some of us have put into writing letters, informing the public, and testifying, what have you done, just sayin... ;)
Post by: GameHunter1959 on November 19, 2014, 09:08:23 AM
For all the time all of you spend on here arguing about wolves; you could have banned together, come to a mutual understanding, and potentially made an impact on the wolf issue. Arguing and passive aggressively throwing insults out to each other has accomplished nothing. Control the controllable.
Ask yourself....
What can I (we) do to make the impact you so desire?
If it is completely eradicating wolves, then go for it. If you think all wolves should be captured and painted hunter orange; then go for that too. Just saying...all this talk, but no action.
perhaps you don't know how much time some of us have put into writing letters, informing the public, and testifying, what have you done, just sayin... ;)
I have done nothing. I have no reason to. At this point I am satisfied with the wolf plan, and would like to see how things play out. I will let the WSDFW manage the wolves, and trust that they know what they are doing. If at some point I think the plan is flawed or a failure; then I will get involved.
Based off what I have read on Hunt Wa; even if I wanted change, it would not happen. They are going to do what they want to do, and we are forced to live with it.
IMO- They should have never reintroduced wolves back into the western states, but there is no way to stop it.
Post by: pianoman9701 on November 19, 2014, 10:56:50 AM
Many of us have been involved with this issue from the start and have put great effort, and still are, into letting the WDFW know what we think about it. For you to say "all talk and no action", means that your head is in the dark places. The action started years ago and continues today. Just because you just jumped off the turnip truck on this issue doesn't mean it's the same for the rest of us.
Post by: AspenBud on November 19, 2014, 11:36:54 AM
After the experiences of both MT and ID, the scope of WA's plan is so ridiculous as to be absurd. Trusting the WDFW to "play this out" is the last thing we should be doing.
Many of us have been involved with this issue from the start and have put great effort, and still are, into letting the WDFW know what we think about it. For you to say "all talk and no action", means that your head is in the dark places. The action started years ago and continues today. Just because you just jumped off the turnip truck on this issue doesn't mean it's the same for the rest of us.
Mark my words, even if you get WDFW turned around on the issue you still have the bigger problem of the voters. Something has to be done to keep wildlife management out of the hands of voters. All it will take is one well worded, and funded, initiative.
Post by: bearpaw on November 19, 2014, 11:41:41 AM
For all the time all of you spend on here arguing about wolves; you could have banned together, come to a mutual understanding, and potentially made an impact on the wolf issue. Arguing and passive aggressively throwing insults out to each other has accomplished nothing. Control the controllable.
Ask yourself....
What can I (we) do to make the impact you so desire?
If it is completely eradicating wolves, then go for it. If you think all wolves should be captured and painted hunter orange; then go for that too. Just saying...all this talk, but no action.
perhaps you don't know how much time some of us have put into writing letters, informing the public, and testifying, what have you done, just sayin... ;)
I have done nothing. I have no reason to. At this point I am satisfied with the wolf plan, and would like to see how things play out. I will let the WSDFW manage the wolves, and trust that they know what they are doing. If at some point I think the plan is flawed or a failure; then I will get involved.
Based off what I have read on Hunt Wa; even if I wanted change, it would not happen. They are going to do what they want to do, and we are forced to live with it.
IMO- They should have never reintroduced wolves back into the western states, but there is no way to stop it.
Point is that you were hardly in a position to say that none of us have not done anything outside the forum. :twocents:
Post by: pianoman9701 on November 19, 2014, 11:46:00 AM
After the experiences of both MT and ID, the scope of WA's plan is so ridiculous as to be absurd. Trusting the WDFW to "play this out" is the last thing we should be doing.
Many of us have been involved with this issue from the start and have put great effort, and still are, into letting the WDFW know what we think about it. For you to say "all talk and no action", means that your head is in the dark places. The action started years ago and continues today. Just because you just jumped off the turnip truck on this issue doesn't mean it's the same for the rest of us.
Mark my words, even if you get WDFW turned around on the issue you still have the bigger problem of the voters. Something has to be done to keep wildlife management out of the hands of voters. All it will take is one well worded, and funded, initiative.
And many of us have said this all along. Especially with the ties the WDFW made with groups like CNW and the Defenders in the development and passing of this outrageous plan, management won't come without stiff resistance. The reaction of those groups will be that of a woman scorned.
Post by: GameHunter1959 on November 19, 2014, 01:57:02 PM
For all the time all of you spend on here arguing about wolves; you could have banned together, come to a mutual understanding, and potentially made an impact on the wolf issue. Arguing and passive aggressively throwing insults out to each other has accomplished nothing. Control the controllable.
Ask yourself....
What can I (we) do to make the impact you so desire?
If it is completely eradicating wolves, then go for it. If you think all wolves should be captured and painted hunter orange; then go for that too. Just saying...all this talk, but no action.
perhaps you don't know how much time some of us have put into writing letters, informing the public, and testifying, what have you done, just sayin... ;)
I have done nothing. I have no reason to. At this point I am satisfied with the wolf plan, and would like to see how things play out. I will let the WSDFW manage the wolves, and trust that they know what they are doing. If at some point I think the plan is flawed or a failure; then I will get involved.
Based off what I have read on Hunt Wa; even if I wanted change, it would not happen. They are going to do what they want to do, and we are forced to live with it.
IMO- They should have never reintroduced wolves back into the western states, but there is no way to stop it.
Point is that you were hardly in a position to say that none of us have not done anything outside the forum. :twocents:
I never said they are doing "nothing". Just making the point that the same group of individuals are on Hunt Wa daily complaining about the wolf plan, etc. They could be using that time to work on their wolf issues outside of the forum. And i am aware of many of the forum members work outside of the forum (including yours Dale).
Unfortunately lots more work is needed to accomplish your goals. Now get to work...
You have my support! Hopefully we can all hunt these predators sooner than later.
Post by: pianoman9701 on November 19, 2014, 02:04:25 PM
For all the time all of you spend on here arguing about wolves; you could have banned together, come to a mutual understanding, and potentially made an impact on the wolf issue. Arguing and passive aggressively throwing insults out to each other has accomplished nothing. Control the controllable.
Ask yourself....
What can I (we) do to make the impact you so desire?
If it is completely eradicating wolves, then go for it. If you think all wolves should be captured and painted hunter orange; then go for that too. Just saying...all this talk, but no action.
perhaps you don't know how much time some of us have put into writing letters, informing the public, and testifying, what have you done, just sayin... ;)
I have done nothing. I have no reason to. At this point I am satisfied with the wolf plan, and would like to see how things play out. I will let the WSDFW manage the wolves, and trust that they know what they are doing. If at some point I think the plan is flawed or a failure; then I will get involved.
Based off what I have read on Hunt Wa; even if I wanted change, it would not happen. They are going to do what they want to do, and we are forced to live with it.
IMO- They should have never reintroduced wolves back into the western states, but there is no way to stop it.
Point is that you were hardly in a position to say that none of us have not done anything outside the forum. :twocents:
I never said they are doing "nothing". Just making the point that the same group of individuals are on Hunt Wa daily complaining about the wolf plan, etc. They could be using that time to work on their wolf issues outside of the forum. And i am aware of many of the forum members work outside of the forum (including yours Dale).
Unfortunately lots more work is needed to accomplish your goals. Now get to work...
And thank you for your support!
So being active on this forum and doing real work on the wolf issue are mutually exclusive? How would you know? You admittedly have done nothing to actively oppose the outrageous wolf plan. Many of us have attended meetings, written letters, gone to hearings, met with our legislators, all the while being members of this forum. In fact, being a member of this forum got me involved in the wolf issue to begin with. Your statements are still coming out of the dark end of your anatomy. You're commenting on something about which you know very little.
Post by: GameHunter1959 on November 19, 2014, 02:11:38 PM
For all the time all of you spend on here arguing about wolves; you could have banned together, come to a mutual understanding, and potentially made an impact on the wolf issue. Arguing and passive aggressively throwing insults out to each other has accomplished nothing. Control the controllable.
Ask yourself....
What can I (we) do to make the impact you so desire?
If it is completely eradicating wolves, then go for it. If you think all wolves should be captured and painted hunter orange; then go for that too. Just saying...all this talk, but no action.
perhaps you don't know how much time some of us have put into writing letters, informing the public, and testifying, what have you done, just sayin... ;)
I have done nothing. I have no reason to. At this point I am satisfied with the wolf plan, and would like to see how things play out. I will let the WSDFW manage the wolves, and trust that they know what they are doing. If at some point I think the plan is flawed or a failure; then I will get involved.
Based off what I have read on Hunt Wa; even if I wanted change, it would not happen. They are going to do what they want to do, and we are forced to live with it.
IMO- They should have never reintroduced wolves back into the western states, but there is no way to stop it.
Point is that you were hardly in a position to say that none of us have not done anything outside the forum. :twocents:
I never said they are doing "nothing". Just making the point that the same group of individuals are on Hunt Wa daily complaining about the wolf plan, etc. They could be using that time to work on their wolf issues outside of the forum. And i am aware of many of the forum members work outside of the forum (including yours Dale).
Unfortunately lots more work is needed to accomplish your goals. Now get to work...
And thank you for your support!
So being active on this forum and doing real work on the wolf issue are mutually exclusive? How would you know? You admittedly have done nothing to actively oppose the outrageous wolf plan. Many of us have attended meetings, written letters, gone to hearings, met with our legislators, all the while being members of this forum. In fact, being a member of this forum got me involved in the wolf issue to begin with. Your statements are still coming out of the dark end of your anatomy. You're commenting on something about which you know very little.
I know plenty and I have attended meetings to learn. I just choose to not engage in arguments about the wolf issue.
Unlike you; I'm not opposed to the wolf plan...yet. Why would I try and change something if I'm not opposed to it...yet?
Perhaps my position will change in the future. Time will tell..
Post by: GameHunter1959 on November 19, 2014, 02:18:55 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on November 19, 2014, 02:33:39 PM
Post by: GameHunter1959 on November 19, 2014, 02:54:53 PM
Your statement was that the people on this forum posting daily did nothing but talk. That was the mud slinging and you threw it. Your statement was not only ignorant, it was wrong. This has nothing to do with whether you agree with the outrageous wolf plan or disagree with the outrageous wolf plan. It has to do with you making inaccurate assessment about the work of people you know nothing about. I could care less whether you support the plan. I do care that you make statements like you did when I know form personal experience that there are a great many people of action on this forum, Dale being one.
I did not read your long winded rant above. I'm guessing your probably insulting me to try and win an argument. I believe insulting a fellow Hunt Wa member is against forum rules, and grounds to be banned. This is a family site. Please keep it clean. I gotta go work now. Take care buddy!
Post by: Bango skank on November 19, 2014, 03:04:52 PM
Your statement was that the people on this forum posting daily did nothing but talk. That was the mud slinging and you threw it. Your statement was not only ignorant, it was wrong. This has nothing to do with whether you agree with the outrageous wolf plan or disagree with the outrageous wolf plan. It has to do with you making inaccurate assessment about the work of people you know nothing about. I could care less whether you support the plan. I do care that you make statements like you did when I know form personal experience that there are a great many people of action on this forum, Dale being one.
I did not read your long winded rant above. I'm guessing your probably insulting me to try and win an argument. I believe insulting a fellow Hunt Wa member is against forum rules, and grounds to be banned. This is a family site. Please keep it clean. I gotta go work now. Take care buddy!
Every time somebody disagrees with you you threaten to ban them. Makes you look like a tool. Quit puffing your chest out.
Post by: Special T on November 19, 2014, 03:08:55 PM
WDFW has often said that they do what they think is best because hunters do not give a clear voice. When as a result of discussion here and elsewhere the 3 big archery organisations came out against the wolf plan it made a statement, even if ignored.
Post by: GameHunter1959 on November 19, 2014, 03:11:58 PM
Your statement was that the people on this forum posting daily did nothing but talk. That was the mud slinging and you threw it. Your statement was not only ignorant, it was wrong. This has nothing to do with whether you agree with the outrageous wolf plan or disagree with the outrageous wolf plan. It has to do with you making inaccurate assessment about the work of people you know nothing about. I could care less whether you support the plan. I do care that you make statements like you did when I know form personal experience that there are a great many people of action on this forum, Dale being one.
I did not read your long winded rant above. I'm guessing your probably insulting me to try and win an argument. I believe insulting a fellow Hunt Wa member is against forum rules, and grounds to be banned. This is a family site. Please keep it clean. I gotta go work now. Take care buddy!
Every time somebody disagrees with you you threaten to ban them. Makes you look like a tool. Quit puffing your chest out.
Naw.. Just when personal attacks start flying. I care about the integrity of Hunt Wa. Others read this (including children). We need to be setting a positive example, and understand we can make our points (arguments) without attacking each other personally. There are great people on here, who work hard to keep it clean. I consider myself one of them. Thank you for your understanding and enjoy the rest of your week.
Post by: mfswallace on November 23, 2014, 03:01:48 PM
Your statement was that the people on this forum posting daily did nothing but talk. That was the mud slinging and you threw it. Your statement was not only ignorant, it was wrong. This has nothing to do with whether you agree with the outrageous wolf plan or disagree with the outrageous wolf plan. It has to do with you making inaccurate assessment about the work of people you know nothing about. I could care less whether you support the plan. I do care that you make statements like you did when I know form personal experience that there are a great many people of action on this forum, Dale being one.
I did not read your long winded rant above. I'm guessing your probably insulting me to try and win an argument. I believe insulting a fellow Hunt Wa member is against forum rules, and grounds to be banned. This is a family site. Please keep it clean. I gotta go work now. Take care buddy!
Every time somebody disagrees with you you threaten to ban them. Makes you look like a tool. Quit puffing your chest out.
Naw.. Just when personal attacks start flying. I care about the integrity of Hunt Wa. Others read this (including children). We need to be setting a positive example, and understand we can make our points (arguments) without attacking each other personally. There are great people on here, who work hard to keep it clean. I consider myself one of them. Thank you for your understanding and enjoy the rest of your week.
Seems that you can dish it out but immediately cry foul if it gets thrown back at ya :cryriver:
Post by: The100Road on November 23, 2014, 03:25:14 PM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on November 23, 2014, 03:28:38 PM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on November 23, 2014, 03:29:54 PM
Post by: VarmintVentilator on November 23, 2014, 04:36:28 PM
Post by: j_h_nimrod on November 23, 2014, 04:48:05 PM
how do they come up with $15,000 for a wolf but only a $5,000 reward for 2 big horn sheep?
:yeah:
A much more majestic and worthy animal trumped by cuddly perceptions. Can't even blame it on Disney this time since he usually portrays wolves in a negative role.
Post by: Dan-o on November 23, 2014, 05:18:15 PM
For all the time all of you spend on here arguing about wolves; you could have banned together, come to a mutual understanding, and potentially made an impact on the wolf issue. Arguing and passive aggressively throwing insults out to each other has accomplished nothing. Control the controllable.
Ask yourself....
What can I (we) do to make the impact you so desire?
If it is completely eradicating wolves, then go for it. If you think all wolves should be captured and painted hunter orange; then go for that too. Just saying...all this talk, but no action.
perhaps you don't know how much time some of us have put into writing letters, informing the public, and testifying, what have you done, just sayin... ;)
I have done nothing. I have no reason to. At this point I am satisfied with the wolf plan, and would like to see how things play out. I will let the WSDFW manage the wolves, and trust that they know what they are doing. If at some point I think the plan is flawed or a failure; then I will get involved.
Based off what I have read on Hunt Wa; even if I wanted change, it would not happen. They are going to do what they want to do, and we are forced to live with it.
IMO- They should have never reintroduced wolves back into the western states, but there is no way to stop it.
Isn't that just a little like trusting your grandparents long term health care to Dr. Kevorkian? :yike: :bdid:
Post by: idahohuntr on November 23, 2014, 05:19:56 PM
Talking with WDFW last week, there has been a change or two with some high employees in the department. :dunno: WDFW wouldn't elaborate to much on the topic. I was also told they're trying to make some changes to the plan itself, but they're dealing with legislature so that could take awhile, or it could fall on deaf ears. Time will tell. Doesn't sound like much and questions left unanswered but better than the whole thing being ignored. Don't ya love politics. :yike:Dave Ware, the Game Division Manager for the past 17 years, will be stepping into a new Wolf Policy Lead position created by WDFW...he will still be part of the wildlife senior staff.
Post by: lokidog on November 23, 2014, 09:32:30 PM
After the experiences of both MT and ID, the scope of WA's plan is so ridiculous as to be absurd. Trusting the WDFW to "play this out" is the last thing we should be doing.
Many of us have been involved with this issue from the start and have put great effort, and still are, into letting the WDFW know what we think about it. For you to say "all talk and no action", means that your head is in the dark places. The action started years ago and continues today. Just because you just jumped off the turnip truck on this issue doesn't mean it's the same for the rest of us.
Mark my words, even if you get WDFW turned around on the issue you still have the bigger problem of the voters. Something has to be done to keep wildlife management out of the hands of voters. All it will take is one well worded, and funded, initiative.
And this, herein, lies the problem. We (conservatives) will have a majority in the WA legislature next year, will we not? Maybe this is the time to pass a law that game management is done by professionals, not the general public via ballot initiatives????
Post by: wolfbait on November 24, 2014, 04:13:50 AM
Talking with WDFW last week, there has been a change or two with some high employees in the department. :dunno: WDFW wouldn't elaborate to much on the topic. I was also told they're trying to make some changes to the plan itself, but they're dealing with legislature so that could take awhile, or it could fall on deaf ears. Time will tell. Doesn't sound like much and questions left unanswered but better than the whole thing being ignored. Don't ya love politics. :yike:Dave Ware, the Game Division Manager for the past 17 years, will be stepping into a new Wolf Policy Lead position created by WDFW...he will still be part of the wildlife senior staff.
If Dave manages the wolves like he has game herds we should be out of wolves in a few years. :tup: Highly doubtful as Dave is a pro-wolfer.
"WDFW Game Division Manager Dave Ware said wildlife managers have not seen a decline in deer and elk populations in northeast Washington, where the state’s 52 wolves are concentrated."
http://www.capitalpress.com/Washington/20141031/washington-peeks-ahead-to-life-after-wolves-recover?utm_source=Capital+Press+Newsletters&utm_campaign=ac0278a542-Top_Stories_of_the_Week&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_4b7e61b049-ac0278a542-69636365 (http://www.capitalpress.com/Washington/20141031/washington-peeks-ahead-to-life-after-wolves-recover?utm_source=Capital+Press+Newsletters&utm_campaign=ac0278a542-Top_Stories_of_the_Week&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_4b7e61b049-ac0278a542-69636365)
Post by: idahohuntr on November 24, 2014, 09:50:36 AM
Post by: j_h_nimrod on November 24, 2014, 01:08:31 PM
After the experiences of both MT and ID, the scope of WA's plan is so ridiculous as to be absurd. Trusting the WDFW to "play this out" is the last thing we should be doing.
Many of us have been involved with this issue from the start and have put great effort, and still are, into letting the WDFW know what we think about it. For you to say "all talk and no action", means that your head is in the dark places. The action started years ago and continues today. Just because you just jumped off the turnip truck on this issue doesn't mean it's the same for the rest of us.
Mark my words, even if you get WDFW turned around on the issue you still have the bigger problem of the voters. Something has to be done to keep wildlife management out of the hands of voters. All it will take is one well worded, and funded, initiative.
And this, herein, lies the problem. We (conservatives) will have a majority in the WA legislature next year, will we not? Maybe this is the time to pass a law that game management is done by professionals, not the general public via ballot initiatives????
That makes no sense, why let a few experts make the decisions! A majority of the populace always knows best!
Post by: thatdamguy on November 25, 2014, 04:54:30 AM
Post by: AspenBud on November 26, 2014, 07:19:11 AM
After the experiences of both MT and ID, the scope of WA's plan is so ridiculous as to be absurd. Trusting the WDFW to "play this out" is the last thing we should be doing.
Many of us have been involved with this issue from the start and have put great effort, and still are, into letting the WDFW know what we think about it. For you to say "all talk and no action", means that your head is in the dark places. The action started years ago and continues today. Just because you just jumped off the turnip truck on this issue doesn't mean it's the same for the rest of us.
Mark my words, even if you get WDFW turned around on the issue you still have the bigger problem of the voters. Something has to be done to keep wildlife management out of the hands of voters. All it will take is one well worded, and funded, initiative.
And this, herein, lies the problem. We (conservatives) will have a majority in the WA legislature next year, will we not? Maybe this is the time to pass a law that game management is done by professionals, not the general public via ballot initiatives????
I absolutely agree. I've been saying for a while now that the model in Michigan is one to eye for Washington. HSUS can fund their anti wolf hunt initiatives there but the results have no teeth since the legislature put game management in the hands of the NRC and out of the hands of voters. Something like that could even put hound hunting back on the map here.
Post by: AspenBud on November 26, 2014, 07:27:19 AM
Game management should be done by the Individual counties. There is way to much voting power in King county. :twocents:
Game management shouldn't be done based on politics. It should be based on sound science by qualified professionals. I doubt most counties have the budget to pay for such people in the numbers needed let alone for wardens. Fracturing agencies like that sounds great until everyone realizes how much costs are actually distributed across the entire state's population.
Post by: AspenBud on November 26, 2014, 07:30:11 AM
Are you saying were out of deer in NE Wa?
:chuckle:
Post by: timberfaller on November 26, 2014, 10:03:21 AM
:yike: He must not know about what the herds were like in the 70's :yike: pre-doe hunts!!
Not knowing his "age" ignorance is bliss they say!! after all that was 40 years ago.
Post by: billythekidrock on November 26, 2014, 10:08:33 AM
Post by: Bango skank on November 26, 2014, 10:10:16 AM
Post by: stromdiddily on November 26, 2014, 11:34:56 AM
After the experiences of both MT and ID, the scope of WA's plan is so ridiculous as to be absurd. Trusting the WDFW to "play this out" is the last thing we should be doing.
Many of us have been involved with this issue from the start and have put great effort, and still are, into letting the WDFW know what we think about it. For you to say "all talk and no action", means that your head is in the dark places. The action started years ago and continues today. Just because you just jumped off the turnip truck on this issue doesn't mean it's the same for the rest of us.
Mark my words, even if you get WDFW turned around on the issue you still have the bigger problem of the voters. Something has to be done to keep wildlife management out of the hands of voters. All it will take is one well worded, and funded, initiative.
And this, herein, lies the problem. We (conservatives) will have a majority in the WA legislature next year, will we not? Maybe this is the time to pass a law that game management is done by professionals, not the general public via ballot initiatives????
I absolutely agree. I've been saying for a while now that the model in Michigan is one to eye for Washington. HSUS can fund their anti wolf hunt initiatives there but the results have no teeth since the legislature put game management in the hands of the NRC and out of the hands of voters. Something like that could even put hound hunting back on the map here.
What? Voters just shot down two separate wolf management initiatives in Michigan...
Post by: wolfbait on November 26, 2014, 01:40:37 PM
They're still claiming 52 wolves huh?
It's a numbers game depending on the topic.
Post by: AspenBud on November 26, 2014, 05:57:25 PM
After the experiences of both MT and ID, the scope of WA's plan is so ridiculous as to be absurd. Trusting the WDFW to "play this out" is the last thing we should be doing.
Many of us have been involved with this issue from the start and have put great effort, and still are, into letting the WDFW know what we think about it. For you to say "all talk and no action", means that your head is in the dark places. The action started years ago and continues today. Just because you just jumped off the turnip truck on this issue doesn't mean it's the same for the rest of us.
Mark my words, even if you get WDFW turned around on the issue you still have the bigger problem of the voters. Something has to be done to keep wildlife management out of the hands of voters. All it will take is one well worded, and funded, initiative.
And this, herein, lies the problem. We (conservatives) will have a majority in the WA legislature next year, will we not? Maybe this is the time to pass a law that game management is done by professionals, not the general public via ballot initiatives????
I absolutely agree. I've been saying for a while now that the model in Michigan is one to eye for Washington. HSUS can fund their anti wolf hunt initiatives there but the results have no teeth since the legislature put game management in the hands of the NRC and out of the hands of voters. Something like that could even put hound hunting back on the map here.
What? Voters just shot down two separate wolf management initiatives in Michigan...
Whoops, yes. But the truth still remains, it was an empty victory for HSUS. Wolf hunting is not controlled by the voters there, no game management there is anymore. The legislature and the actions of sportsmen there saw to that. The NRC handles that now and wolf hunting will continue.
Post by: carver52 on November 26, 2014, 06:36:28 PM
Post by: Greg Mullins on December 02, 2014, 08:22:23 PM
Post by: Curly on December 03, 2014, 06:31:10 PM
Is there a wolf tag in Washington? Or a wolf season? If there's no tags or season how can it be poaching?No season or tags for bald eagles either, but most people agree it is poaching when someone shoots one.
Post by: JimmyHoffa on December 03, 2014, 06:39:07 PM
Post by: villageidiot on December 03, 2014, 10:20:40 PM
No season or tags for bald eagles either, but most people agree it is poaching when someone shoots one.
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Maybe SOME, not most.
Post by: idahohuntr on December 03, 2014, 10:24:41 PM
Post by: rudysts on December 24, 2014, 01:51:56 PM
Post by: mountainman on December 25, 2014, 07:34:42 AM
Posted 12/24/14
Conservation groups are now offering $20,000 for information about the October killing of a protected female wolf in Kittitas County.
The reward announced Tuesday is an increase of $5,000 from the amount previously offered. The Center for Biological Diversity says the wolf was the breeding alpha female of the Teanaway pack, and that her death jeopardizes the recovery of gray wolves in the state.
The wolf was wearing a radio collar. After signals showed the wolf was not moving, her carcass was found Oct. 28 north of Lake Cle Elum.
The poaching was the fourth known illegal killing of a wolf in Washington this year. Wolves were also shot to death in Stevens, Ferry and Whitman counties.
The conservation groups say the reward will go to anyone who provides information resulting in the conviction of the culprit.
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