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Title: 3 pt. min. area; Would you let the air out of him? Update New Pic page 2.
Post by: jrebel on November 18, 2014, 09:06:28 PM
Well, lets here it.  I kind of like these threads so lets do another.   :tup:
Title: Re: 3 pt. min. area; Would you let the air out of him?
Post by: jrebel on November 18, 2014, 09:07:35 PM
I guess we need the picture.   :chuckle:
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Post by: bowhunterwa87 on November 18, 2014, 09:09:13 PM
All day long.
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Post by: ghosthunter on November 18, 2014, 09:09:47 PM
yep
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Post by: Tbar on November 18, 2014, 09:10:54 PM
I think he is legal but I wouldn't shoot him.  What's in the background?
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Post by: Bango skank on November 18, 2014, 09:11:01 PM
No but he is legal
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Post by: elk247 on November 18, 2014, 09:11:37 PM
Let's see what's behind door #2. Show the other deer.
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Post by: rackattack on November 18, 2014, 09:11:51 PM
I'd wait a little and make sure on that fork.
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Post by: Bango skank on November 18, 2014, 09:11:58 PM
3 pt min area.... a.k.a. Washington
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Post by: 6x6in6 on November 18, 2014, 09:12:06 PM
I'd pass.
I'm not a big fan of that particular shot offering.   :chuckle:
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Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on November 18, 2014, 09:16:40 PM
I think he is legal but I wouldn't shoot him.  What's in the background?
:yeah: The deer above him has a bigger body  :dunno:
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Post by: jrebel on November 18, 2014, 09:24:20 PM
I think he is legal but I wouldn't shoot him.  What's in the background?
:yeah: The deer above him has a bigger body  :dunno:

The deer above him is the one next to the bush on the upper left.  Not a buck.  the only other buck was a spike.  No tricks here just an honest question.
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Post by: raydog on November 18, 2014, 09:25:52 PM
I'd pass.
I'm not a big fan of that particular shot offering.   :chuckle:
Back of he head? only if close though
Title: Re: 3 pt. min. area; Would you let the air out of him?
Post by: jrebel on November 18, 2014, 09:29:08 PM
I'd pass.
I'm not a big fan of that particular shot offering.   :chuckle:
Back of he head? only if close though

less than 70 yards....that how close I was. 
Title: Re: 3 pt. min. area; Would you let the air out of him?
Post by: bobdog86 on November 18, 2014, 09:54:40 PM
At that distance, I'd wait for a better shot. Odds are he's gonna turn, but,,,,,I've had em single file outtta dodge offering not shot at all. Still, I'd wait. Still a dead buck.
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Post by: Rakkasan00 on November 18, 2014, 09:56:00 PM
Depends on how accurate you are and your firing position. Myself, at 70 yards. All day, I'd aim for just under the right ear
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Post by: lokidog on November 18, 2014, 09:56:14 PM
I think he is legal but I wouldn't shoot him.  What's in the background?
:yeah: The deer above him has a bigger body  :dunno:

Ha, that was my thought as well.

It depends if I was on public or private and if I knew there were more deer in the area.  Public - for sure shoot when given a good angle although maybe not on the first day if I was hunting for a week or more.  Who am I kidding, public land - boom.  Private, I might wait.  Again, it depends if I knew what was in the area or not.
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Post by: muleyslayer on November 18, 2014, 10:01:50 PM
Hes legal
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Post by: Mike450r on November 18, 2014, 10:25:31 PM
Blowing the picture up makes that 3rd point look less like an antler point and more like a stick in the background.  Going with the I don't know choice. 
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Post by: carpsniperg2 on November 18, 2014, 10:38:14 PM
As far as having 3 points. He is legal.
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Post by: csaaphill on November 18, 2014, 11:03:28 PM
legal and shoot
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Post by: Jamieb on November 19, 2014, 07:02:16 AM
shoot
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Post by: Dhoey07 on November 19, 2014, 07:09:51 AM
70 yards is about 20 yards past my comfort zone so I wouldn't shoot. 
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Post by: kramman on November 19, 2014, 07:11:13 AM
Past on a deer just like this... Saw he was a 3 just could not tell if it was long enough... So I say no
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Post by: Smokepole on November 19, 2014, 07:19:09 AM
I wouldn't shoot an animal that had his back turned to me.  He looks like he's legal.  But I wouldn't shoot until I got a nice, good look at him.  I like to take it slow, and let the deer show me his goods.  Plus I'm not a very good shot, so I need a good broadside view!
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Post by: irishevox on November 19, 2014, 07:44:38 AM
he is legal
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Post by: elkoholic1 on November 19, 2014, 07:51:42 AM
def legal but id pass unless its last day then BOOM!!! 
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Post by: grundy53 on November 19, 2014, 08:39:23 AM
Legal
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Post by: Stein on November 19, 2014, 08:53:50 AM
Legal, but I would wait for more of a broadside opportunity.  I basically don't pass any legal animal with a general season tag.
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Post by: Igottanewknee on November 19, 2014, 08:58:28 AM
Boom!
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Post by: RB on November 19, 2014, 09:24:03 AM
After he turned and presented a better shot yes indeed! Not a fan of the Texas heart shot, but it sounds like he is close enough for a head shot if a guy had a good rest.
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Post by: Widgeondeke on November 19, 2014, 09:52:25 AM
good eats. antlers would be dog chews
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Post by: PolarBear on November 19, 2014, 09:55:28 AM
Nope.  Legal or not he needs a couple more years on him.
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Post by: stinkbait on November 19, 2014, 11:03:03 AM
The third point is more webbed than an actual 1" tine so no he is not legal
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Post by: steeleywhopper on November 19, 2014, 11:25:56 AM
I passed a few bucks like that this year. I refuse to walk up to a dead deer "hoping" it's legal. If you zoom in on that left side that "3rd" point looks like it's filled in and not crab clawed. No shoot for this guy but to each his own. I got to see first hand this year what happens when you hope that 3rd point is a inch long. Guy lost his gun and the deer and was gonna get a court date in the mail.
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Post by: Rakkasan00 on November 19, 2014, 11:45:03 AM
I passed a few bucks like that this year. I refuse to walk up to a dead deer "hoping" it's legal. If you zoom in on that left side that "3rd" point looks like it's filled in and not crab clawed. No shoot for this guy but to each his own. I got to see first hand this year what happens when you hope that 3rd point is a inch long. Guy lost his gun and the deer and was gonna get a court date in the mail.
I see your point here and I agree about waiting for a better shot or view.
I'm going off of what we have here and what he's asking. Would you shoot.
With the info. We have in the pic. and from what the regs state. "3 Pt Minimum:
A legal deer taken in these GMUs must have at least 3 antler points on one side A 3x3,3x2,or 3x1 are legal in a 3pt min unit, Antler points must be at least one inch long measured from the longest side, including eye guards."
In this setting. I see enough proof to consider it legal, and at 70 yards I beileve I'd shoot if I was able to get a stable platform. Not standing another words.
Title: Re: 3 pt. min. area; Would you let the air out of him?
Post by: jrebel on November 19, 2014, 03:35:48 PM
Here is another angle with a close up of the antler.  Anyone want to change your mind or are you still shooting? 

I would pass, though I think the argument could be made if measured from the longest side to the main beam it is over an inch.  I don't know how they would measure the spaded out antler and what the definition would be to the main beam.  Not worth getting in trouble....it walks in my book.
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Post by: csaaphill on November 19, 2014, 03:46:38 PM
ya id have to change my vote now with this angle
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Post by: HunterStrait on November 19, 2014, 03:48:27 PM
It looked like he had a little kicker in the first pic.
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Post by: Woodchuck on November 19, 2014, 03:50:06 PM
Um, yes I would like to change my vote. I would not take that chance. Sneaky little bugger.
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Post by: Curly on November 19, 2014, 03:52:58 PM
Um, yes I would like to change my vote. I would not take that chance. Sneaky little bugger.

 :yeah:

That first angle it sure looked to be a 3 point.  Now it looks like a 2.  :o
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Post by: RB on November 19, 2014, 03:58:28 PM
Technically it looks like the point originates from the fork and if it was not webbed in it would look a couple inches long. With that said I believe it is a legal Buck due to the point origin being over one inch.
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Post by: jrebel on November 19, 2014, 04:02:17 PM
Here are a few more pics for discussion. 

First picture shows how I may be inclined to measure the longest side to the main beam.  Pretty vague law / description. 

Second picture shows the small kicker / notch in this bucks horn.  Definitely not an inch long.  I would like to see this buck next year to see how he grow. 
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Post by: X-Force on November 19, 2014, 04:06:17 PM
I had a 22" 2pt with the same type of (3rd) points off the back. There was no way I was drawing back on him. I wish I had a photo of him to ask people the same, legal or not.

I agree with RB that it looks like front left starts a couple inches down and is webbed out but no deer is worth that debate.  :twocents:
Title: Re: 3 pt. min. area; Would you let the air out of him? Update New Pic page 2.
Post by: RB on November 19, 2014, 04:07:18 PM
Here are a few more pics for discussion. 

First picture shows how I may be inclined to measure the longest side to the main beam.  Pretty vague law / description. 

Second picture shows the small kicker / notch in this bucks horn.  Definitely not an inch long.  I would like to see this buck next year to see how he grow.


Yes that is exactly what my point (pun intended) was the definition of origin. That is what I see as well.
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Post by: csaaphill on November 19, 2014, 04:09:06 PM
Um, yes I would like to change my vote. I would not take that chance. Sneaky little bugger.

 :yeah:

That first angle it sure looked to be a 3 point.  Now it looks like a 2.  :o
ya wht i seen in first pic was a stick lol
would have waited anyhows so I would not have just shot on a prayer
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Post by: Rakkasan00 on November 19, 2014, 04:37:50 PM
This is exactly why calmer heads prevail. I'm out too. Not worth it. Walking up to it after the fact would be a harsh reality. A great debate. Maybe a warden has a take on this topic.
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Post by: stinkbait on November 19, 2014, 10:59:54 PM
So there was no third point , no 1" eye guards , 2x2 , what may I ask was the percentage of hunters that said yes he is legal compared to the no he is no legal, staggering hhhhmmm.webbed points do not count , has to be 1" minium that thing aint even close so. 56.5percent would have taken the shot  thats staggering, only 5.2 percent made the right call. Then everyone changed thier mind so how many would have said  nothing and leave it lay ?
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Post by: Romulus1297 on November 19, 2014, 11:25:51 PM
Why not just keep hunting :dunno:
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Post by: jrebel on November 20, 2014, 07:08:58 AM
So there was no third point , no 1" eye guards , 2x2 , what may I ask was the percentage of hunters that said yes he is legal compared to the no he is no legal, staggering hhhhmmm.webbed points do not count , has to be 1" minium that thing aint even close so. 56.5percent would have taken the shot  thats staggering, only 5.2 percent made the right call. Then everyone changed thier mind so how many would have said  nothing and leave it lay ?

Let's not jump to conclusions and make this post what it is not.  First these are pictures......in person it was easier to see multiple angles and tell it was questionable.  I am still not convinced it is not legal, though I would not have shot it due to not knowing.  So....stinkbait.....don't stink up the thread (pun intended) and let's have civil conversations so people can learn.

Jrebel
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Post by: Smokepole on November 20, 2014, 07:17:38 AM
Great photos & constructive poll Jrebel.   :tup:
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Post by: Curly on November 20, 2014, 08:50:03 AM
Yeah, great pics and poll.  Good discussion.

This goes to show that snap decisions can get a guy in trouble.  Honest mistakes can happen.........this photo and poll proves that.
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Post by: RB on November 30, 2014, 03:43:43 PM
Here are a few more pics for discussion. 

First picture shows how I may be inclined to measure the longest side to the main beam.  Pretty vague law / description. 

Second picture shows the small kicker / notch in this bucks horn.  Definitely not an inch long.  I would like to see this buck next year to see how he grow.

Jrebel

Was working in the shop yesterday and remembered this thread after looking at a rack I have. Here is a Picture of the "small" point if it was webbed in like the photo here I contend it would make the over one inch requirement. the other side was an obvious three and that is why I shot him, but imagine my surprise when I walked up and could only see the fork and not the small point under.  :yike:
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Post by: RB on November 30, 2014, 03:45:53 PM
Here is the entire rack.
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