Post by: hunterrcc on November 23, 2014, 01:58:16 PM
Post by: mfswallace on November 23, 2014, 02:35:30 PM
Post by: hunterrcc on November 23, 2014, 02:37:58 PM
Find it funny that there is no comments when proof of big Bulls getting shot is posted. If I remember right there were a few little birds on here saying no pics it didn't happen! Well here is your --- ---- pic for today and there will be many more in the future!
Post by: cwbobcathunter on November 23, 2014, 03:01:34 PM
Post by: runamuk on November 23, 2014, 03:07:18 PM
I hope the meat was already dealt with and they were just being provoking butthats and not truly wasting meat.
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on November 23, 2014, 03:11:23 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on November 23, 2014, 03:15:21 PM
Post by: Halo on November 23, 2014, 03:34:32 PM
Post by: Coastal_native on November 23, 2014, 09:45:36 PM
Find it funny that there is no comments when proof of big Bulls getting shot is posted. If I remember right there were a few little birds on here saying no pics it didn't happen! Well here is your pic for today and there will be many more in the future!
I don't think anyone has denied that tribal members kill big bulls and transport them in the back of their trucks. Thanks for posting the pic though, good bull. Congrats to the hunter.
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on November 23, 2014, 09:52:47 PM
Post by: Tbar on November 24, 2014, 11:12:34 AM
Can't confirm 100% that there was no meat. but not much if there was because I couldn't see any meat from the back of the wheel wells forward. No rib cage for sure. Hopefully they hung the meat up at home already! LolFirst off I don't know of any info on the bull posted. I do however see a bull in a truck. :dunno: (congrats to the hunter, although I feel it's his bull and story to post). Hunterrcc thanks for the pic.
Find it funny that there is no comments when proof of big Bulls getting shot is posted. If I remember right there were a few little birds on here saying no pics it didn't happen! Well here is your pic for today and there will be many more in the future!
This is an illustration of stirring the pot for no apparent reason. Reality is this bull could have and may have come from many different places (wdfw draw tag, general hunt, out of state). The reality is none of us know.
Fyi (hunterrcc) hunters of all user groups hunt for various reasons. There are some extremely hard core Native hunters that are true to the core hunters and have little to no desire to harvest(kill) a thing. The satisfaction lies in the hunt and being closer to nature. There are lazy road hunting Natives too. Sound familiar? There are Natives who enjoy as large of antlers as they are able to attain. There are many Natives who live off of natures bounty and will choose the most tender meat they can attain. Sound familiar? I could go on and on but don't feel the need.
If you so choose, complain about season length, bag limits, management objectives/contributions., etc. Your thread shows no evidence of abuse or even disrespect. What your thread does illustrate(imo) is why Natives seldom post (and should NEVER post) stories and pictures. The point of focus always seems to on the negative and at times take off like wildfire in downward spirals and never on positive commonalities that could bind two user groups.
Post by: bracer40 on November 24, 2014, 11:50:06 AM
We'll said Tbar!Can't confirm 100% that there was no meat. but not much if there was because I couldn't see any meat from the back of the wheel wells forward. No rib cage for sure. Hopefully they hung the meat up at home already! LolFirst off I don't know of any info on the bull posted. I do however see a bull in a truck. :dunno: (congrats to the hunter, although I feel it's his bull and story to post). Hunterrcc thanks for the God dam pic.
Find it funny that there is no comments when proof of big Bulls getting shot is posted. If I remember right there were a few little birds on here saying no pics it didn't happen! Well here is your God dam pic for today and there will be many more in the future!
This is an illustration of stirring the pot for no apparent reason. Reality is this bull could have and may have come from many different places (wdfw draw tag, general hunt, out of state). The reality is none of us know.
Fyi (hunterrcc) hunters of all user groups hunt for various reasons. There are some extremely hard core Native hunters that are true to the core hunters and have little to no desire to harvest(kill) a thing. The satisfaction lies in the hunt and being closer to nature. There are lazy road hunting Natives too. Sound familiar? There are Natives who enjoy as large of antlers as they are able to attain. There are many Natives who live off of natures bounty and will choose the most tender meat they can attain. Sound familiar? I could go on and on but don't feel the need.
If you so choose, complain about season length, bag limits, management objectives/contributions., etc. Your thread shows no evidence of abuse or even disrespect. What your thread does illustrate(imo) is why Natives seldom post (and should NEVER post) stories and pictures. The point of focus always seems to on the negative and at times take off like wildfire in downward spirals and never on positive commonalities that could bind two user groups.
Post by: WSU on November 24, 2014, 11:57:57 AM
Can't confirm 100% that there was no meat. but not much if there was because I couldn't see any meat from the back of the wheel wells forward. No rib cage for sure.
The last 5 or 6 elk that have been in my truck had the rib cage, spine, etc. left in the field. What does that say about me?
Post by: Elkrunner on November 24, 2014, 12:05:44 PM
Can't confirm 100% that there was no meat. but not much if there was because I couldn't see any meat from the back of the wheel wells forward. No rib cage for sure. Hopefully they hung the meat up at home already! Lol
Find it funny that there is no comments when proof of big Bulls getting shot is posted. If I remember right there were a few little birds on here saying no pics it didn't happen! Well here is your God dam pic for today and there will be many more in the future!
How do you know that he didn't bone out the elk? We always bone ours out and put them in coolers.
Post by: Elkrunner on November 24, 2014, 12:08:50 PM
Post by: coachcw on November 24, 2014, 05:27:06 PM
Post by: billythekidrock on November 24, 2014, 05:34:12 PM
Can't confirm 100% that there was no meat. but not much if there was because I couldn't see any meat from the back of the wheel wells forward. No rib cage for sure. Hopefully they hung the meat up at home already! LolFirst off I don't know of any info on the bull posted. I do however see a bull in a truck. :dunno: (congrats to the hunter, although I feel it's his bull and story to post). Hunterrcc thanks for the God dam pic.
Find it funny that there is no comments when proof of big Bulls getting shot is posted. If I remember right there were a few little birds on here saying no pics it didn't happen! Well here is your God dam pic for today and there will be many more in the future!
This is an illustration of stirring the pot for no apparent reason. Reality is this bull could have and may have come from many different places (wdfw draw tag, general hunt, out of state). The reality is none of us know.
Fyi (hunterrcc) hunters of all user groups hunt for various reasons. There are some extremely hard core Native hunters that are true to the core hunters and have little to no desire to harvest(kill) a thing. The satisfaction lies in the hunt and being closer to nature. There are lazy road hunting Natives too. Sound familiar? There are Natives who enjoy as large of antlers as they are able to attain. There are many Natives who live off of natures bounty and will choose the most tender meat they can attain. Sound familiar? I could go on and on but don't feel the need.
If you so choose, complain about season length, bag limits, management objectives/contributions., etc. Your thread shows no evidence of abuse or even disrespect. What your thread does illustrate(imo) is why Natives seldom post (and should NEVER post) stories and pictures. The point of focus always seems to on the negative and at times take off like wildfire in downward spirals and never on positive commonalities that could bind two user groups.
:yeah:
Post by: bowhunterwa87 on November 24, 2014, 05:36:18 PM
Post by: coachcw on November 24, 2014, 05:39:22 PM
Post by: Tbar on November 24, 2014, 05:41:22 PM
It's not poaching if it's legal . selling the meat for profit is whats wrong . We in the know on this see it every year same group of guys killing a large amount of game . i'm sure the guys out on the ytc need those 6-7 deer apiece to to feed there families since they have to make that new truck payment . I respect those natives that hunt hard and don't abuse the privallge / rights they have . but we know that's just not the case for many and for them to parade them around is stiring the pot and for that they are guilty . if they kept a low profile about what they take the waters wouldn't be nearly as muddy . the one thing I will say is I havnt seen them shoot a doe this year in the firing center for that I give them some respect atleast they can breed .Cite specifics! If there are abuses document. The op in this case insinuates that the pic given is proof (of what I don't know). When specific ABUSES are cited it upsets native and state hunters alike, and paints all hunters in a poor light.
Post by: coachcw on November 24, 2014, 05:43:30 PM
Respect for killing all the bucks they want in a draw only area?no for not killing doe ! the killing six plus bucks pisses me off when there's only ten total buck tags for non tribal hunts . I thought they where under a 50% rule but I guess not . I've hunted my butt off out there and burned enough fuel to book a throphy hunt this year and havnt pulled the trigger while those guys take a deer a day . I know for a fact if I was tribal I could have taken 25-30 deer off there already without a doubt they skim the cream.
Post by: trophyhunt on November 24, 2014, 05:43:42 PM
It's not poaching if it's legal . selling the meat for profit is whats wrong . We in the know on this see it every year same group of guys killing a large amount of game . i'm sure the guys out on the ytc need those 6-7 deer apiece to to feed there families since they have to make that new truck payment . I respect those natives that hunt hard and don't abuse the privallge / rights they have . but we know that's just not the case for many and for them to parade them around is stiring the pot and for that they are guilty . if they kept a low profile about what they take the waters wouldn't be nearly as muddy . the one thing I will say is I havnt seen them shoot a doe this year in the firing center for that I give them some respect atleast they can breed .:yeah: I would like to know if this guy is one of the guys that abuses their rights before I start defending him. There are good native hunters out there but those other guys that are well known deserve NO respect.
Post by: bowhunterwa87 on November 24, 2014, 05:44:25 PM
And coach.. if the native in question were to be stopped with a non native friend they could get a fine from the tribe but the non native will have nothing done to them as they are not violating any law (Yakama)
Post by: coachcw on November 24, 2014, 05:45:35 PM
Whose to say the guys in the ops pic are even native for one...thank you
And coach.. if the native in question were to be stopped with a non native friend they could get a fine from the tribe but the non native will have nothing done to them as they are not violating any law (Yakama)
Post by: trophyhunt on November 24, 2014, 05:48:57 PM
they have ruined what used to be one of the best deer hunts in our state, the ytc has been raped by tribes since after 97 ish. Travesty what they did to that unit!Respect for killing all the bucks they want in a draw only area?no for not killing doe ! the killing six plus bucks pisses me off when there's only ten total buck tags for non tribal hunts . I thought they where under a 50% rule but I guess not . I've hunted my butt off out there and burned enough fuel to book a throphy hunt this year and havnt pulled the trigger while those guys take a deer a day . I know for a fact if I was tribal I could have taken 25-30 deer off there already without a doubt they skim the cream.
Post by: coachcw on November 24, 2014, 05:52:13 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on November 24, 2014, 05:56:27 PM
Post by: Tbar on November 24, 2014, 05:58:56 PM
so to site specifics every day I have been in the ytc I look at the harvest book and see three of the same guys names on the sheet that a matter of record . I have seen them check in in the morning wearing quality hunting clothes and driving nice new trucks . one guy wear tennis shoes that look like he dumped them in a bucket of blood . they pull the harvest sheets once each page fills probably twenty or so to a page in the last month and a half they have gone through three or four pages , five rifle permit guys and a few master hunter elk harvests mixed in the majority of the rest being tribal deer harvests . you cant tell me that these men are hunting for substance alone no way that's a whole bunch of deer eating by those couple of guys and i'm pretty confident they eat elk too .Fair enough coach. This may be a thread jack but here's my :twocents: . This is something that should be brought to the natural resource managers of the tribe. Along with this data I would try to obtain biological data, harvest data, and any other area specific info. If that falls on deaf ears at the tribe then go to more public avenues.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on November 24, 2014, 06:00:02 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on November 24, 2014, 06:01:55 PM
Tribe takes care of their own. You can throw scientific data, harvest reports and any other info at them and all you will get is "its our right". Sucks but that is the way it is.so to site specifics every day I have been in the ytc I look at the harvest book and see three of the same guys names on the sheet that a matter of record . I have seen them check in in the morning wearing quality hunting clothes and driving nice new trucks . one guy wear tennis shoes that look like he dumped them in a bucket of blood . they pull the harvest sheets once each page fills probably twenty or so to a page in the last month and a half they have gone through three or four pages , five rifle permit guys and a few master hunter elk harvests mixed in the majority of the rest being tribal deer harvests . you cant tell me that these men are hunting for substance alone no way that's a whole bunch of deer eating by those couple of guys and i'm pretty confident they eat elk too .Fair enough coach. This may be a thread jack but here's my :twocents: . This is something that should be brought to the natural resource managers of the tribe. Along with this data I would try to obtain biological data, harvest data, and any other area specific info. If that falls on deaf ears at the tribe then go to more public avenues.
Post by: Mudman on November 24, 2014, 06:17:43 PM
Post by: coachcw on November 24, 2014, 06:21:19 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on November 24, 2014, 06:28:25 PM
Post by: coachcw on November 24, 2014, 07:12:16 PM
Post by: Pinetar on November 24, 2014, 07:32:17 PM
TBAR and others - You can judge hunterrc all you want from your computer but why don't you come over to Eburg this time of year and witness some of this stuff for yourself. At least then if you feel the need to judge him again, at least you will have some knowledge of what he is so mad about. Sure hunterrc says things occasionally on here that get him in trouble lol but at least he is not afraid to point it out and I kind of like that.
I am fortunate enough to be able to be in the hills almost every single day from October 1st to June 1st. What goes on over here (mostly on weekdays) from Sept. 1st to late winter but mostly from the week after general elk season closes until the WSGD closes the gates is unbelievable. For all of you non believers out there asking for proof of disrespect. Come over and go for a drive up Robinson or Joe Watt Canyon this time of year. I have no idea if they are Yakamas or Mucks (probably both) but it is down right disgusting and they are all over shooting pretty much everything that has antlers, YES antlers. Every closed road has been driven on, gut piles everywhere (including the feed lots), garbage all over that was not there after the Elk season. I have witnessed all of this, numerous times almost every time I drive up there.
Last year I was up there and I witnessed natives shooting and wounding elk then not following up on them, simply driving off because they did not fall over in sight and continuing up the road looking for an easier kill. I instantly called the WSGD and reported it. Four hours later I got a returned phone call to find out that the vehicle was stopped by WSP on Snoqualmie Pass and two of the guys in the truck were non native and they had three mature bulls and a buck. The game warden told me that the Muck police arrived at the vehicle and that two of the non tribal shooters were going to be ticketed as they had rifles that had been fired. The tribal natives were going to be cited by Muck police for taking non tribal members and lose their rights. I thought "good deal, finally" only to find out three months later charges were dropped on everyone. No fines, no loss of rights same old stuff.
TBAR says - "Going to the natural resource managers of the tribe. Along with this data I would try to obtain biological data, harvest data, and any other area specific info". Waste of time.
What BLRMAN says is the truth, Sucks but that is the way it is.
I almost deleted this several times because like I said before I generally don't feel the need to get into it with others on this site as we all have our own opinions and are entitled to that. However, if you all want to know where you eastside bulls and bucks are going, come over and take a drive. There are way more dying than are being reported to their natural resource managers. I'm sure some of you won't like my opinion so "flame away".
Post by: Tbar on November 24, 2014, 07:46:33 PM
I never get into these native bashings or he did, you did posts but I'm tired of biting my lip. I did not take pictures nor was I with hunterrc. However, I was there when the native (YES NATIVE) came into JR's with that bull. And I have seen this truck in town before with bulls, not the first time or his first bull of this year. Sure it is legal for them to do so, but this does not make it right. I'm sure there are natives that hunt fairly as TBAR suggests but their are lot more that DO NOT.Great post Pinetar. You won't be flamed by me(for this post). I will respond with my limited knowledge shortly. I will say that respectful discussion, regardless of differing opinions, is progress for sure.
TBAR and others - You can judge hunterrc all you want from your computer but why don't you come over to Eburg this time of year and witness some of this stuff for yourself. At least then if you feel the need to judge him again, at least you will have some knowledge of what he is so mad about. Sure hunterrc says things occasionally on here that get him in trouble lol but at least he is not afraid to point it out and I kind of like that.
I am fortunate enough to be able to be in the hills almost every single day from October 1st to June 1st. What goes on over here (mostly on weekdays) from Sept. 1st to late winter but mostly from the week after general elk season closes until the WSGD closes the gates is unbelievable. For all of you non believers out there asking for proof of disrespect. Come over and go for a drive up Robinson or Joe Watt Canyon this time of year. I have no idea if they are Yakamas or Mucks (probably both) but it is down right disgusting and they are all over shooting pretty much everything that has antlers, YES antlers. Every closed road has been driven on, gut piles everywhere (including the feed lots), garbage all over that was not there after the Elk season. I have witnessed all of this, numerous times almost every time I drive up there.
Last year I was up there and I witnessed natives shooting and wounding elk then not following up on them, simply driving off because they did not fall over in sight and continuing up the road looking for an easier kill. I instantly called the WSGD and reported it. Four hours later I got a returned phone call to find out that the vehicle was stopped by WSP on Snoqualmie Pass and two of the guys in the truck were non native and they had three mature bulls and a buck. The game warden told me that the Muck police arrived at the vehicle and that two of the non tribal shooters were going to be ticketed as they had rifles that had been fired. The tribal natives were going to be cited by Muck police for taking non tribal members and lose their rights. I thought "good deal, finally" only to find out three months later charges were dropped on everyone. No fines, no loss of rights same old stuff.
TBAR says - "Going to the natural resource managers of the tribe. Along with this data I would try to obtain biological data, harvest data, and any other area specific info". Waste of time.
What BLRMAN says is the truth, Sucks but that is the way it is.
I almost deleted this several times because like I said before I generally don't feel the need to get into it with others on this site as we all have our own opinions and are entitled to that. However, if you all want to know where you eastside bulls and bucks are going, come over and take a drive. There are way more dying than are being reported to their natural resource managers. I'm sure some of you won't like my opinion so "flame away".
Post by: coachcw on November 24, 2014, 07:47:27 PM
Post by: Coastal_native on November 24, 2014, 07:51:14 PM
Post by: Coastal_native on November 24, 2014, 07:54:22 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on November 24, 2014, 07:58:39 PM
I never get into these native bashings or he did, you did posts but I'm tired of biting my lip. I did not take pictures nor was I with hunterrc. However, I was there when the native (YES NATIVE) came into JR's with that bull. And I have seen this truck in town before with bulls, not the first time or his first bull of this year. Sure it is legal for them to do so, but this does not make it right. I'm sure there are natives that hunt fairly as TBAR suggests but their are lot more that DO NOT.thank you for posting!
TBAR and others - You can judge hunterrc all you want from your computer but why don't you come over to Eburg this time of year and witness some of this stuff for yourself. At least then if you feel the need to judge him again, at least you will have some knowledge of what he is so mad about. Sure hunterrc says things occasionally on here that get him in trouble lol but at least he is not afraid to point it out and I kind of like that.
I am fortunate enough to be able to be in the hills almost every single day from October 1st to June 1st. What goes on over here (mostly on weekdays) from Sept. 1st to late winter but mostly from the week after general elk season closes until the WSGD closes the gates is unbelievable. For all of you non believers out there asking for proof of disrespect. Come over and go for a drive up Robinson or Joe Watt Canyon this time of year. I have no idea if they are Yakamas or Mucks (probably both) but it is down right disgusting and they are all over shooting pretty much everything that has antlers, YES antlers. Every closed road has been driven on, gut piles everywhere (including the feed lots), garbage all over that was not there after the Elk season. I have witnessed all of this, numerous times almost every time I drive up there.
Last year I was up there and I witnessed natives shooting and wounding elk then not following up on them, simply driving off because they did not fall over in sight and continuing up the road looking for an easier kill. I instantly called the WSGD and reported it. Four hours later I got a returned phone call to find out that the vehicle was stopped by WSP on Snoqualmie Pass and two of the guys in the truck were non native and they had three mature bulls and a buck. The game warden told me that the Muck police arrived at the vehicle and that two of the non tribal shooters were going to be ticketed as they had rifles that had been fired. The tribal natives were going to be cited by Muck police for taking non tribal members and lose their rights. I thought "good deal, finally" only to find out three months later charges were dropped on everyone. No fines, no loss of rights same old stuff.
TBAR says - "Going to the natural resource managers of the tribe. Along with this data I would try to obtain biological data, harvest data, and any other area specific info". Waste of time.
What BLRMAN says is the truth, Sucks but that is the way it is.
I almost deleted this several times because like I said before I generally don't feel the need to get into it with others on this site as we all have our own opinions and are entitled to that. However, if you all want to know where you eastside bulls and bucks are going, come over and take a drive. There are way more dying than are being reported to their natural resource managers. I'm sure some of you won't like my opinion so "flame away".
Post by: Turner89 on November 24, 2014, 08:16:48 PM
:yeah: Tbar said it all.....Can't confirm 100% that there was no meat. but not much if there was because I couldn't see any meat from the back of the wheel wells forward. No rib cage for sure. Hopefully they hung the meat up at home already! LolFirst off I don't know of any info on the bull posted. I do however see a bull in a truck. :dunno: (congrats to the hunter, although I feel it's his bull and story to post). Hunterrcc thanks for the pic.
Find it funny that there is no comments when proof of big Bulls getting shot is posted. If I remember right there were a few little birds on here saying no pics it didn't happen! Well here is your pic for today and there will be many more in the future!
This is an illustration of stirring the pot for no apparent reason. Reality is this bull could have and may have come from many different places (wdfw draw tag, general hunt, out of state). The reality is none of us know.
Fyi (hunterrcc) hunters of all user groups hunt for various reasons. There are some extremely hard core Native hunters that are true to the core hunters and have little to no desire to harvest(kill) a thing. The satisfaction lies in the hunt and being closer to nature. There are lazy road hunting Natives too. Sound familiar? There are Natives who enjoy as large of antlers as they are able to attain. There are many Natives who live off of natures bounty and will choose the most tender meat they can attain. Sound familiar? I could go on and on but don't feel the need.
If you so choose, complain about season length, bag limits, management objectives/contributions., etc. Your thread shows no evidence of abuse or even disrespect. What your thread does illustrate(imo) is why Natives seldom post (and should NEVER post) stories and pictures. The point of focus always seems to on the negative and at times take off like wildfire in downward spirals and never on positive commonalities that could bind two user groups.
Post by: Tbar on November 24, 2014, 08:19:32 PM
As for Muckleshoot natural resource managers not caring you couldn't be more wrong. I don't know any specifics but do know their regulation and enforcement is evolving and very impressive. I also know they take harvest data, animal densities, and any other biological information very serious.
Post by: Pinetar on November 24, 2014, 09:28:36 PM
If you target these deer and elk on their winter range this time of year you are going to see a decrease in their numbers. Prior to the Mucks hunting over here in the winter you used to be able to drive up Robinson/Joe Watt area on any given day and see them in a calm/relaxed atmosphere and their were big bulls and bucks everywhere. Now you are lucky to see any bucks and if you do they are running the other way spooked. Putting mass pressure on wildlife this time of year is not good. Granite the elk are still doing OK but the big bulls are declining on this side of the valley in comparison to where it used to be. They are targeting the big bulls and bucks.
Maybe the caring natural resource managers should take a look at the seasons and have them hunting them when everyone else does?
PS - Again, thanks for your opinion and I see your point with the complexity of the case that I reported. It was a disgusting mess that left a 6pt and 5pt bulls to suffer and go to waste. I certainly never thought that it was acceptable by the tribes but they could have done something to them to slow them down.
Post by: hunterrcc on November 25, 2014, 12:36:24 AM
Can't confirm 100% that there was no meat. but not much if there was because I couldn't see any meat from the back of the wheel wells forward. No rib cage for sure.
The last 5 or 6 elk that have been in my truck had the rib cage, spine, etc. left in the field. What does that say about me?
Post by: hunterrcc on November 25, 2014, 12:44:26 AM
Can't confirm 100% that there was no meat. but not much if there was because I couldn't see any meat from the back of the wheel wells forward. No rib cage for sure. Hopefully they hung the meat up at home already! Lol
Find it funny that there is no comments when proof of big Bulls getting shot is posted. If I remember right there were a few little birds on here saying no pics it didn't happen! Well here is your God dam pic for today and there will be many more in the future!
How do you know that he didn't bone out the elk? We always bone ours out and put them in coolers.
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Post by: hunterrcc on November 25, 2014, 01:00:27 AM
Also another reason why I am getting tired of this site. Just because people see something that they believe is happening, they plaster a pic of the guy up. How about this for an idea. Go over and ask the guy about his hunt and congratulate him. Get the facts before you plaster his rig and pic all over the internet accusing him of something. Who else is getting sick of this stuff on this site?
100% sure it was two natives. Hell no I am going to congrats someone that goes out and kills big Bulls in units I have to spend years applying for just to watch him blast away year after year! draw only units! There is a reason that some units are impossible draw odds for you or I its because the Indians go around killing as many as they want to every year, year after year. We are told the bull numbers are down! Go figure! You can sit back on your couch and act like it is not true but ever time I see an Indian wasting away our game I will plaster his ass where I please! If someone has a problem with it I could care about as much as the Indians do, and that's very little.
Ps
My first line about glad he at least eats his elk was in reference to his big belly and that he doesn't miss a meal so I figured he at least eats his elk nothing to do with how much meat was in the truck but I didnt see much in the truck.
Post by: Tbar on November 25, 2014, 05:24:24 AM
Class and eloquence right here hunterrcc. I see your well conveyed frustrations and politely bow out of your thread. Have a great day.Also another reason why I am getting tired of this site. Just because people see something that they believe is happening, they plaster a pic of the guy up. How about this for an idea. Go over and ask the guy about his hunt and congratulate him. Get the facts before you plaster his rig and pic all over the internet accusing him of something. Who else is getting sick of this stuff on this site?
100% sure it was two natives. Hell no I am going to congrats someone that goes out and kills big Bulls in units I have to spend years applying for just to watch him blast away year after year! draw only units! There is a reason that some units are impossible draw odds for you or I its because the Indians go around killing as many as they want to every year, year after year. We are told the bull numbers are down! Go figure! You can sit back on your couch and act like it is not true but ever time I see an Indian wasting away our game I will plaster his ass where I please! If someone has a problem with it I could care about as much as the Indians do, and that's very little.
Ps
My first line about glad he at least eats his elk was in reference to his big belly and that he doesn't miss a meal so I figured he at least eats his elk nothing to do with how much meat was in the truck but I didnt see much in the truck.
Post by: coachcw on November 25, 2014, 06:00:34 AM
Post by: Coastal_native on November 25, 2014, 07:49:40 AM
I'm pretty surprised that no one has played cowboys and Indians the last couple years since this is such a hot topic.
I'm not surprised. The tribe may struggle to reconcile it's modern vs. traditional harvest management practices/beliefs...and struggle to reign in its treaty right abusers, but I don't think most people believe that violence or vigilante justice is the rational way to take out their frustrations.
Post by: haus on November 25, 2014, 08:49:56 AM
can someone clarify if it's legal for a Yakima tribal hunter to take a non tribal hunter out on there hunt ? I know the mucks must hunt with only tribal members . I know of a recent case where a white family member went out with a person who is 1/2 native American and partook in a hunt . of course the native was shooting . i'm curious of the legality . I'm not linching anyone just want clarification ty.
:chuckle: Have a few non-tribal "associates" that go hunting with the Mucks, get them through gates that other non-tribals can't etc etc. some rule :chuckle:
Post by: Pinetar on November 25, 2014, 09:09:27 AM
I had the entire incident on film last time, shooting, license plates and everything and it did absolutely no good.
What kills me is that most of the ones I see up there are as white as you and me, blue eyes, blonde, red hair. How do you know who's who?? Poachers could go up there right now and drive around in daylight hours and do the same thing, how do you who to turn in anymore. The Yakamas have a diff license plate but the Mucks you can't tell.
Maybe Plat should round up some buddies and go up there and play Indian and Indian. jk I believe he did say once that the Mucks shouldn't be up there because it was their seeded ground.
hunterrc - Chill out! It isn't worth fighting and arguing over. Is it hard to sit up there on the hill building your new house and listening to the high powered rifles go off all day long. lol Sorry, had to throw that in as I know why you are so fired up. Break out your spotting scope and watch the great display of traditional hunting at its best. lmao And YES that blue Chevy driving off road along side of the elk fence is OK because it is there right. Put in earplugs and keep pulling wires or you won't finish before the snow flies.
Post by: GameHunter1959 on November 25, 2014, 11:12:19 AM
I get that some natives abuse the resource, but this is a stretch. Your stirring the pot. Better to delete this topic and cut this native a break.
There will be plenty more native abusers, whom deserve an internet lashing soon.
Post by: coachcw on November 25, 2014, 12:32:00 PM
I guess I am lost here. So you see a native with an elk head in his truck, and you are essentially accusing him of wasting the meat?WOW ! we have as much right shedding light on this as they do harvesting like they Do . I like the Idea of Indians vs. Indians :chuckle: my sons just lucky (or not ) that he's not half Indian.
I get that some natives abuse the resource, but this is a stretch. Your stirring the pot. Better to delete this topic and cut this native a break.
There will be plenty more native abusers, whom deserve an internet lashing soon.
Post by: Jellymon on November 25, 2014, 12:41:35 PM
Post by: coachcw on November 25, 2014, 12:49:05 PM
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Post by: Green broke on November 25, 2014, 02:20:38 PM
Truth hurts sometimes , make the bed and sleep in it.One truth is that in the Yakima area there is a fragile and declining deer herd that is not being addressed by the state or Yakama nation. It is however being addressed by Muckleshoot. I would trust their management goals and ability over the states any day of the week and twice in Sunday.
Post by: Green broke on November 25, 2014, 02:26:19 PM
Post by: runamuk on November 25, 2014, 03:20:49 PM
Maybe just stick to the fact that they're taking more than they need, are wasting, or using unethical or illegal hunting practices.
Plus take pictures if you see something that you know you would be cited for. Document time place vehicles plate numbers. Collect the information that is needed to show what is really happening and who is behind it. Ask around there are people who would actually like this information who can actually have an impact.
from this point on what I am saying is not related or directed at coastal's comment at all its just more of the stupid crap Run says. :tup:
Its not the entire tribe its really a small group but they make a huge impact and they get away with it because the right documentation the right evidence has not been collected. How long did it take to deal with that massive poacher wasnt that guy operating for years and everyone knew yet where was the evidence needed to prove without a doubt the guilt :dunno:
innocent until proven guilty so prove the guilt...and i bet these pics are all being collected and the people collecting them wishing there was more information than oh that yak killed deers again.
The YTC books thats good info that shows a trend sweet nice to know that is there.
And some of these guys get off on the attention they get. So the more you rant and complain the more their egos are pumped up and they keep doing it because it gets to you.