Post by: haugenna on December 19, 2008, 08:34:11 PM
He shot a "small" one for the ranch. His pocket book must bet gettin a little light.
I tune in to watch that idiot wander a pen and shoot the equivelancy of a angus cow with antlers.
Jim,
If you read this thread and I hope you do. You are so far from a sportsman and hunter its ridiculous.
Post by: Hacksaw on December 19, 2008, 10:13:02 PM
Post by: fc2038 on December 19, 2008, 10:51:51 PM
Post by: haugenna on December 20, 2008, 08:27:51 AM
I saw that episode where he shot that ranch bull. Again, walked up to it and shot it. It looked like it was drugged. The bull stood up, he put and arrow right through the lungs. The dang thing just looked at him, slowly spun around, and he put another one through the other side. The animal didn't even flinch.
Post by: Hoytstaffshooter83 on December 20, 2008, 09:28:24 AM
Post by: Elkstuffer on December 20, 2008, 05:25:53 PM
Post by: Gutpile on December 20, 2008, 05:34:35 PM
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I have not seen Northwest Hunter on for a while.
That show sucks. I can't remember the last time they've been in the states much less the NW. I used to TIVO it hoping they'd be in WA again but they're too busy shooting Zebras and stuff like that.
About this thread, I have no idea who the guy is. I'm gonna TIVO it just to see.
Post by: Charlie on December 20, 2008, 06:58:08 PM
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Jim, If you read this thread and I hope you do. You are so far from a sportsman and hunter its ridiculous.
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Post by: OneHorn on December 20, 2008, 07:25:09 PM
Post by: 270Shooter on December 20, 2008, 07:28:46 PM
Post by: jackelope on December 20, 2008, 07:51:44 PM
Post by: Hoytstaffshooter83 on December 20, 2008, 08:53:08 PM
First of all I can't believe anyone still watches that "High fence" hunting show. He has claimed to have killed hundreds of elk. Not hard to do when they are in an enclosure and drugged. I've written to the sponsers of the show to voice my opinion. I still can't believe that Hoyt still sponsers that crap.
Have not seen the show in a while but bowtech sponsors it.. not hoyt
Post by: Elkstuffer on December 20, 2008, 08:59:04 PM
Post by: fc2038 on December 20, 2008, 09:05:07 PM
Post by: cascademountainhunter on December 20, 2008, 09:32:58 PM
Post by: NWWABOWHNTR on December 20, 2008, 09:45:57 PM
Post by: Hoytstaffshooter83 on December 20, 2008, 09:51:50 PM
Post by: Black Ghost on December 20, 2008, 10:11:57 PM
Post by: Hacksaw on December 20, 2008, 10:20:54 PM
Post by: Hacksaw on December 20, 2008, 10:37:37 PM
This is pathetic, apparently you all have or watch the show. Get over it, and spend more of your time calling your legislator and worry about something important. Hunting behind high fences is the least of your worries!
It might be the least of your worries. I guess the rapid increase in the commercialization of hunting is something important to me. The average non-hunter doesn't turn on the TV and see guys like Bone Addict putting in all the time and effort that goes into consistently harvesting trophy animals. Instead they see *censored*es shooting animals on so-called "trophy" high-fenced ranches and underneath automatic feeders. Personally, I think this depiction of hunting is way more harmful to our cause as hunters than a lot of the things you probably consider important. I really could give a #hit whether they shoot big animals or not. It is not a jealousy thing about money for me. I just get sick of hearing the "we all need to band together" cliche when I think alot of people that think they are part of the solution are doing more harm for our cause than good. I don't think you will ever convince me that trophy game farms are in any way a positive thing for our hunting heritage. Ask guys in the states with CWD what they think. Maybe they should have called their legislatures and brought this stuff up a long time ago.
Post by: bobcat on December 20, 2008, 10:42:32 PM
Especially the part about the we all need to band together thing. :rolleyes:
I get so tired of hearing that when it comes to game farm "hunting." It is not hunting, it should be illegal, and I do not need to support it.
Post by: buckbrush on December 21, 2008, 02:41:11 AM
Post by: rasbo on December 21, 2008, 05:49:29 AM
Post by: bullcanyon on December 21, 2008, 01:34:16 PM
On a side not. I'm pretty sure he was on a different show this morning hunting dall sheep in the nwt. He was shooting a hoyt too. I know they kept saying Burnsworth. Maybe he got 86ed from any new shows. I also remember him shooting a mathews on the western extreme show. Found it weird that he was shooting a bow from a different company.
Post by: Hunterman on December 21, 2008, 03:04:33 PM
Hunterman(Tony)
Post by: Hoytstaffshooter83 on December 21, 2008, 07:28:53 PM
Post by: haugenna on December 21, 2008, 07:30:44 PM
I used to dvr this show, but after a few of his "hunts" up north. I no longer watch. I'm actually embarrassed that Bowtech is sponsoring this joker. Too bad.
On a side not. I'm pretty sure he was on a different show this morning hunting dall sheep in the nwt. He was shooting a hoyt too. I know they kept saying Burnsworth. Maybe he got 86ed from any new shows. I also remember him shooting a mathews on the western extreme show. Found it weird that he was shooting a bow from a different company.
He is on adventures abroad as well.
Post by: huntnphool on December 22, 2008, 10:26:10 AM
thats some tough words, I love nugent.. hes a great man, hunter and person, he may hunt some high fences.. so what? hes never been a trophy hunter and thats one thing I love so much, not to mention all he does for hunting for ALL of us and for ill kids and vetrans.... pretty good stuff right there
If each of us did as much for hunting, gun rights and our country as he does the anti's would be hiding under logs somewhere too affraid to open their mouths.
I hope I can be as full of life and hunt like he does when I'm 59 years old, I think he is great.
Post by: Hunterman on December 22, 2008, 10:33:33 AM
Some day when hunting is outlawed, then some will say "gee I wish I would have done that"
Hunterman(Tony)
Post by: huntnphool on December 22, 2008, 10:39:34 AM
So one person hunting behind fences is a jerk, but another one is a hero??? Hunting is hunting.. If its legal then who are we to talk smack about it.
If you are going to follow one of my posts with accusations of my actions you had better have documentation. You show me where I talked smack about this guy and said he was a jerk for hunting high fence.
Post by: huntnphool on December 22, 2008, 10:58:29 AM
Post by: Hoytstaffshooter83 on December 22, 2008, 11:14:39 AM
Post by: Hacksaw on December 22, 2008, 02:45:37 PM
I think when killing becomes more important than hunting then we are hurting our hunting heritage and our hunting future more than we are helping it. In my humble opinion, there is no hunting on high-fence game farms, only killing. It is much easier to promote products and further commercialize the hunting industry when you can kill something easily and puff your chest out like you really knew what you were doing. Anti-hunters will always be anti-hunters. It’s the folks in the middle, like most of the folks I work with, who begin to resent the “it’s only a thrill if you kill” attitude. I am sick of the whole “if it’s legal, then I don’t care attitude.” Just because it is legal doesn’t mean it helps our cause. It is legal to shoot at elk from 1500 yards, but does that make it okay? Most of the people around me who don’t hunt, respect that I am hunter who loves all aspects of the hunt, regardless of the kill. They are actually turned off by most of the over-the-top, in your face antics of Ted, regardless of what I think about him.
I also support conservation groups like I am sure many of you do. I personally believe that the game farm industry has done much more harm than it has ever done good for the propagation of native species. Maybe I am wrong here, but if you have an example of this industry helping out the game that the rest of us are able to hunt, I’d like to see it. I used to be one those guys who said “I don’t care if they hunt on a game farm, but I don’t personally agree with it.” One day I actually decided that I did care. Not because of jealousy or anything like that, but because I think it negatively impacts the rights that true hunters are trying to protect.
I agree 100% I have no issue with high fence, especially in ted case, he eats all the meat, doesnt hunt for racks and trophys
Hoytstaffshooter, I figured a long time ago by some of your discussions and your screen name that you have totally different views about the commercialization of the hunting industry. I am not necessarily anti-Nugent, but he’s feeding his ego and his pocket book more than his stomach, and if he isn’t hunting for racks or trophies, then why doesn’t he hunt outside the fence? Hunting to me isn’t a competition against other hunters. It is sad to me that for some of us it is.
Post by: Turkeyman on December 22, 2008, 04:17:18 PM
Post by: Hoytstaffshooter83 on December 22, 2008, 05:58:41 PM
I agree 100% I have no issue with high fence, especially in ted case, he eats all the meat, doesnt hunt for racks and trophys
Hoytstaffshooter, I figured a long time ago by some of your discussions and your screen name that you have totally different views about the commercialization of the hunting industry. I am not necessarily anti-Nugent, but he’s feeding his ego and his pocket book more than his stomach, and if he isn’t hunting for racks or trophies, then why doesn’t he hunt outside the fence? Hunting to me isn’t a competition against other hunters. It is sad to me that for some of us it is.
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Im not really sure what exactly you mean by that first part, why do I support the commercialization of hunting because I am a pro staff shooter? also ted hunts plenty outside of a fence, alaska, here in wa with the same bear guide im using this year, in michigan etc.. he hunts fair chase all the time, im not sure if his ranch is fenced or not in texas but I know its huge..... he is a great sportsmen and does so much for us hunters.. he may be extreme and some people cant take that.. thats fine by me.. hes a great american and hunter IMO
Post by: bobcat on December 22, 2008, 06:33:10 PM
Post by: huntnphool on December 22, 2008, 06:40:00 PM
Huntnphool,I bet Burnsworth also supports hunter’s rights and contributes to the hunting rights issue.
I would assume he does as well, the problem is that I never said anything about the guy, all I did was express my opinion of Ted Nugent. Now all of a sudden words are being put in my mouth and I don't appreciate it!!!
I should also point out that Ted does a great deal of his hunting and filming on his own high fence ranch that he supplies with game.
Post by: 50CalJim on December 22, 2008, 06:43:35 PM
Post by: rasbo on December 22, 2008, 07:16:04 PM
Post by: Hoytstaffshooter83 on December 22, 2008, 07:33:13 PM
Whats wrong with Ted Nugent..yeah hes loud,hes a rock n roller.But he has earned everything he has.And he not ashamed to be an american..I guess if he sat on his hands,and didnt get all wild eyed about his beliefs on gun control,hunting and helping alot of our youth with confidence,he wouldnt be heard at all...I would love to sit around a fire with Ted and hear what hes gonna do next.Im sure it will be good. ;)
AMEN to that!!
Post by: Hacksaw on December 22, 2008, 07:41:24 PM
I don't have so much of a problem with the high fence hunting in Texas. It's just a way of life there, and mostly it's whitetail deer on huge ranches that in most cases they are just as wild as if there was no high fence, just because of the size of the area. It's a little different than a high fenced ranch in say, Idaho
Bobcat, I agree with you on the Texas issue. It's a lot different down there where there is literally almost no public ground. I don't have so much of a problem with the operations down there. I just don't like seeing deer shot under an automatic feeder. That tends to make me cringe.
Huntnphool, I don't appreciate people taking things out of context and trying to create drama where there is none. I am done on this topic. Read it again. I didn't put any words in your mouth. I just gave an example to make a point. I was just trying to convey that I agree with you on a lot of things about Nugent, but not all of them. A lot of people in both the private sector and the outdoor industry contribute time and money to support hunting rights, but that doesn't mean I agree with everything they do. I can agree to have a different opinion than you. You think Nugent is great. I got that. I said I agreed with him on a lot of issues and acknowledge all of the stuff he has down to promote hunting rights. Hell, I’ve got pages of quotes from the guy that keep me laughing. I just don't think that some of his tactics are the best for all of us in the long run. Sorry to offend you if I did. I honestly did not mean to accuse you of anything or put words in your mouth.
Later,
Justin
Post by: runamuk on December 22, 2008, 07:46:40 PM
I don't know that the tv programs promoting high fence hunts are a great idea, but obviously some people enjoy them or they wouldn't be on tv.
At times in Europes history only landowners could hunt, it was something for the elite. In some places caribou have been raised and hunted (kept much like livestock). Then there are bison, which were almost eradicated and are mostly raised now on farms. Then I think about pheasant release sites, these birds are game farm animals released into areas specifically designated for hunting.
Then there are people who want the trophies, the big 5 of Africa, the prestige and ego boost. There are those who hunt for subsistence. And there is always the whale hunting debate. I might only feel one or two or none of these is ethical for ME but I don't feel comfortable telling others what ethics they should have.
I personally am not a fan of hunting predators. However I have no qualms about killing one that is messing with my stock or my family. I also understand there are those who enjoy hunting them, so as long as its legal its ok with me.
I still feel if the hunting community allows itself to divide the anti's will conquer. That said I see no reason to not speak up about your hunting preferences and why you prefer it, that is educational.
OH and I like Nugent ..... I'd never heard of these other people, we don't get the outdoor channel.
Post by: rasbo on December 22, 2008, 07:50:50 PM
I've been thinking more about this.Nice piece runamuck,there is a right side to ya :chuckle: :chuckle: :hello:
I don't know that the tv programs promoting high fence hunts are a great idea, but obviously some people enjoy them or they wouldn't be on tv.
At times in Europes history only landowners could hunt, it was something for the elite. In some places caribou have been raised and hunted (kept much like livestock). Then there are bison, which were almost eradicated and are mostly raised now on farms. Then I think about pheasant release sites, these birds are game farm animals released into areas specifically designated for hunting.
Then there are people who want the trophies, the big 5 of Africa, the prestige and ego boost. There are those who hunt for subsistence. And there is always the whale hunting debate. I might only feel one or two or none of these is ethical for ME but I don't feel comfortable telling others what ethics they should have.
I personally am not a fan of hunting predators. However I have no qualms about killing one that is messing with my stock or my family. I also understand there are those who enjoy hunting them, so as long as its legal its ok with me.
I still feel if the hunting community allows itself to divide the anti's will conquer. That said I see no reason to not speak up about your hunting preferences and why you prefer it, that is educational.
OH and I like Nugent ..... I'd never heard of these other people, we don't get the outdoor channel.
Post by: Hunterman on December 22, 2008, 07:51:44 PM
I was not attacking you, and for the reason I didn't get back to you is I had things to do with my family, I DO NOT HIDE FROM ANYONE AND NEVER WILL, plus I have never been to this MM board ( that I can remember).. I don't stir up chit on here I just speak my mine and I will be damned if I'm going to hold back my view because I might offend someone.
Now let me explane my post. I was speaking of this post (Jim Burnsworth shot another pet Elk) and how PEOPLE are quick to judge a person for hunting behind a fence, then turn around and say someone else just great. To me Ted Nugent is an obnoxious ass clown..Yes he speaks out about gun, hunting, and the rights of ALL Americans. He IS a hell of an American. I just can't stand him.
If you can tell me what the difference is then by all means go for it. I myself don't see anything wrong with hunting ( shooting) behind a fence. If I had the land I would set up one myself for kids and the physically challenged.
Hunterman(Tony)
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on December 22, 2008, 07:55:33 PM
Post by: huntnphool on December 22, 2008, 08:10:59 PM
So one person hunting behind fences is a jerk, but another one is a hero??? Hunting is hunting.. If its legal then who are we to talk smack about it. If you don't like the mans show, do what I do with Nugents show, and just don't watch it.
For starters Tony this is what you posted after I gave my opinion of Ted. I never called anyone a jerk but your reply implys that I did, not appreciated!
Secondly you say hunting is hunting and if legal why talk smack about it. Once again you are implying that I "talked smack" which I never did, not appreciated!!
Then you go on to say if I don't like the show just dont watch it, implying that I said I didn't like the mans show which I never said, last time NOT APPRECIATED!!!
Post by: kingsalmonkllr77 on December 22, 2008, 08:20:51 PM
What a funny thing to say.
Post by: Hoytstaffshooter83 on December 22, 2008, 08:24:25 PM
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Post by: Hoytstaffshooter83 on December 22, 2008, 08:34:16 PM
Post by: haugenna on December 22, 2008, 08:35:24 PM
Look at what Mcgwire, Bonds, and Canseco did to Major League Baseball. Yeah they donated a lot of money to charity, united fans, and put smiles on people faces for many years, but it was a very sad ending for all of them and put a black eye on "America's Pastime".
If you choose to participate in a sport, please represent in the best possible light at all times.
I love it how the people on the TV shows get all emotional about how amazing they are b/c they donated the meat to a shelter or helped feed a family. Thats BS. All they did was shoot the animal, keep the horns, and have no obligation to eat what they shot.
Post by: Hunterman on December 22, 2008, 08:42:28 PM
My statements were in general, and Not directed to any one person. You need to read the post for what I said. Take you feelings off your shoulders.. At no time did I direct anything to YOU . If I direct a statement to anyone I will, and do put thier names up before I post.
If you go back and look up any post that has to do with anyone hunting behind fences then you'll see my point. Its implied that "Who ever hunts behind fences are slobs, has no respect for the animals, and are not hunters. My point is that maybe we should treat all the same and not make exceptions to the rule just because some are out spoken and some are not.
To me one persons way of HUNTING is no better or nor worse than another persons way of HUNTING.
With that said I done with this post..
Hunterman(Tony)
Post by: huntnphool on December 22, 2008, 08:50:18 PM
Post by: Hunterman on December 22, 2008, 09:03:49 PM
Hunterman(Tony)
Damn I said I was done with this post. Oh well the beer will tast good with good people.
Post by: huntnphool on December 22, 2008, 09:05:06 PM
Post by: Hoytstaffshooter83 on December 22, 2008, 09:08:40 PM
Post by: huntnphool on December 22, 2008, 09:12:13 PM
hey now! I want beer as well!
Meet ya on the river
Post by: Hoytstaffshooter83 on December 22, 2008, 09:27:04 PM
Post by: huntnphool on December 22, 2008, 09:39:27 PM
maybe! lol but I doubt any of you guys fish the same oversize areas I do... I could be wrong though....
You think at 25 you have fished more of that river than me? :chuckle: Unless you are fishing above the dam we are fishing the same water ;)
Post by: Hoytstaffshooter83 on December 22, 2008, 09:50:14 PM
Post by: huntnphool on December 22, 2008, 10:03:27 PM
the area I fish for oversize is still mostly new to people
That dam has been there a long time Hoyt, if you think you found a new area to fish for sturgeon on that river, okay. ;)
Post by: Hoytstaffshooter83 on December 22, 2008, 10:08:08 PM
Post by: buckbrush on December 24, 2008, 05:25:30 PM
Post by: C-Money on December 24, 2008, 05:52:06 PM
Post by: big_bucks on December 24, 2008, 06:01:28 PM
I don't agree with high fence hunting in general, and won't be doing any high fence hunts. People are free to to what they want whether any of us agree or not as long as it's legal you won't hear me complaining about it. I'm not gonna bang on guys who do it as it's their business. I'll take it for what it is when I see people with their high fence trophies as I have my own opinion on what a trophy is to me.
Personally I enjoy do it yourself hunts and enjoy trying to find the best animal in the area I'm hunting. I love being outside, challenging myself physically and mentally, and testing my skills against the animals I'm hunting.
-OUT
Post by: C-Money on December 25, 2008, 08:33:46 PM
Post by: Ray on December 27, 2008, 02:56:00 PM
Don't post anyones address or even neighborhood information here on the board unless you have their explicit consent. Otherwise it will be removed and if it is a consistent problem you could be banned.
If you are witnessing illegal activity then call the game warden or police.
If I removed your post don't get personal about it either.